#clojure – 2012-03-30

2012-03-30

00:54	zawzey	hi, just checking with anyone has the same problem with clojurescript generating
00:54	zawzey	hi, just checking with anyone has the same problem with clojurescript generating "can't recur here"
00:55	zawzey	the live-cljs also has the same problem https://github.com/ibdknox/live-cljs/blob/master/README.md
01:01	zawzey	ibdknox: I'm also getting the same problem as you
01:06	ibdknox	zawzey: you can't aot the compiler
01:06	ibdknox	delete your classes dir
01:06	ibdknox	and add ^{:skip-aot true}
01:07	zawzey	ibdknow: yeah, well, is this a bug?
01:08	zawzey	we have to file that somewhere, it took me over a day to discover this fix
01:56	nybbles	hey does anyone know the opposite of interleave function?
01:56	nybbles	i.e. i have a sequence of [a b] and i want two sequences, one with all the a's and the other with all the b's
01:57	amalloy	&(let [in '[a b a b a b a b]] (apply map list (partition 2 in)))
01:57	lazybot	⇒ ((a a a a) (b b b b))
02:01	nybbles	amalloy: cool, thanks.. was hoping it would be a builtin
02:01	nybbles	but whatever works :P
02:35	muhoo	hmm, noir question. let's say i've defpartialed a layout, and the :head is defined in there. now inside a page, i want to include-js something, and have it appear in the head of the generated html
02:36	muhoo	(and "don't use js, use cljs" is NOT a valid answer)
02:37	muhoo	so i guess it's a hiccup question really, or rather a hiccup + ring question maybe
02:37	ibdknox	just make your layout take an additional parameter
02:37	muhoo	ah, cool.
02:37	ibdknox	(defn layout [array-of-js & content] ...)
02:37	muhoo	that was easy :-)
02:37	muhoo	thanks
02:37	ibdknox	np :)
02:38	muhoo	i guess it could even take map-of-head-things, i could have code in there which stuffs them in as needed
02:39	muhoo	like :title, frinstance
02:39	ibdknox	yeah, that's what I do
03:16	progo	you think it'd be idiomatic enough to write a macro that parses strings like "a beautiful_ day out there" into (str "a " (somefunc) " day out there") ?
03:18	progo	I probably would use such a thing for in-game dialogues which can have different level of profanity ... depending on user setting. And it could also shuffle something random each time :)
03:26	amalloy	why would you parse strings? you have a gorgeous reader/macro system that gives you a rich set of symbols and lists, trivially pre-parsed
03:28	progo	yeah... it is about the fluentliness of writing dialogue. Natural languages, see.
03:29	progo	were I to write the next Fallout in clojure, I wouldn't prefer writing thousands of lines in exact S-expression syntax because it is bit too verbose.
03:34	ibdknox	progo: that doesn't need to be a macro
03:35	progo	you are right about that.
03:35	progo	I went to premature optimization already with macro thinking :/
03:36	ibdknox	a decent rule of thumb: macros are for creating new syntax
03:39	progo	In most schemes, I understand, macros are used to lift some of the static computing to read phase. I take it JVM helps here in the case of clojure?
03:40	progo	or rather, can also be used *
03:41	ibdknox	hotspotting definitely helps remove redundancies and such
03:42	ibdknox	and my suggestion wasn't a steadfast rule
03:42	ibdknox	but in general, I think it's a good way of thinking about it
03:42	progo	I agree.
03:42	ibdknox	There are certainly some things that are nice to do at read/load time
03:42	ibdknox	korma, for examples, walks where clauses and does symbol replacement
03:43	ibdknox	no value in doing that at runtime if you don't need to
03:44	ibdknox	but I think those cases are relatively rare
03:45	ibdknox	in your case, I could imagine a compilation phase where you simply turn all your dialogue possibilities into functions and when you need some permutation you just call the function
03:46	ibdknox	that can be done at "load" time and have nothing to do with macros
03:47	progo	okay :)
03:48	ibdknox	So you're building a game in Clojure? :)
03:50	progo	just thinking about writing one
03:51	progo	and it's been for a long time. Now that Clojure has come up, I actually think I have a chance of maintaining such a project by myself
03:55	emezeske	progo: Have you seen this? https://gist.github.com/1678577
03:59	progo	emezeske, nope. Looks nice :(
03:59	progo	*:)
04:20	kral	'morning
05:37	AWizzArd	http://isjavaexploitable.com/
06:20	tacit-phoenix	whois technomancy
07:19	mindbender1	Is there a way to inspect the ring and compojure request map from the repl. And is the request map modifiable by the user?
07:20	weavejester	mindbender1: If you're using an IDE or Emacs you could add a debug step at the top of your handler
07:20	weavejester	mindbender1: Or you could use the debug-repl project
07:21	mindbender1	weavejester: I'm using emacs.. how would I do that
07:21	mindbender1	any links
07:21	weavejester	mindbender1: The only way you can change the request map is to add a wrapper, like middleware.
07:21	weavejester	mindbender1: How are you running Ring?
07:22	mindbender1	I'm using it with clojurescript one.. as a development server
07:23	mindbender1	I'm finding it hard inspecting the request map from the repl
07:23	weavejester	mindbender1: Hm, I'm not sure if that's been started with swank support then...
07:23	mindbender1	Ok if you giude me I'm sure I can tweak my settings
07:23	weavejester	But if you've started a server from a swank process, you can use (swank.core/break)
07:24	weavejester	I don't have time to guide you, I'm afraid
07:24	weavejester	But take a look at: https://github.com/weavejester/ring-serve
07:24	mindbender1	weavejester: you are saying that I can only inspect the map with swanl.core/break
07:25	mindbender1	weavejester: *swank.core/break
07:25	weavejester	mindbender1: No, you could also use debug-repl
07:25	weavejester	mindbender1: Or print it out
07:25	mindbender1	weavejester: Ok point me to a link for debug-repl
07:25	weavejester	mindbender1: https://github.com/GeorgeJahad/debug-repl
07:26	mindbender1	weavejester: thanks let me study those
07:28	mindbender1	weavejester: what's the recommended way recently for swanking clojure projects
07:30	mindbender1	I still use my old clojure-jack-in style when working with clojure only projects
07:59	y3di	did rhickey say that simplicity was the opposite of complexity, or the opposite of complicatedness..?'
08:00	gtrak``	complectedness?
08:01	gtrak``	i guess that would be simplectedness
08:01	gtrak``	it's so complicated
08:08	y3di	he did say that things could be both simple and complex right?
08:13	josteink	so what do you guys use to search up syntax things in clojure when you're fooling around?
08:13	josteink	I find that google is pretty poor at indexing things which are central in clojure syntax...
08:13	josteink	like trying to lookup set! on google is hopeless :P
08:20	headius	simplexity is the mother of complicity
08:25	gtrak``	josteink, try clojuredocs
08:26	gtrak``	there is like a symbol oriented search engine somewhere, too, but the name escapes me
08:27	TimMc	symbolhound
08:30	TimMc	josteink: ^
08:34	Scorchin	what's the best way to model a Java Object which is to be accepted as a parameter? Should it look like a map with relevant methods, or as a function?
08:35	gtrak``	huh what?
08:35	gtrak``	you making something to be consumed by java, or from java to clojure, or clojure-to-clojure
08:35	Scorchin	to be consumed in Clojure, but I'm wrapping Java
08:36	gtrak``	you could just leave it
08:36	Scorchin	currently I'm just passing the Java object, but want to know if there's a cleaner way to wrap it
08:36	gtrak``	zach tellman had a good talk about this
08:37	gtrak``	https://github.com/strangeloop/clojurewest2012-slides/blob/master/Tellman-Distilling-Java-Libraries.pdf?raw=true
09:40	jtoy	on clojure 1.3, how do I use split? I tried with: (clojure.string/split (slurp "stop.txt")) and get java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.string (NO_SOURCE_FILE:0)
09:41	chouser	have you done (ns ... (:require clojure.string)) ?
09:41	cemerick	You have to require the namespace first, e.g. (require 'clojure.string)
09:41	chouser	cemerick: good morning!
09:41	cemerick	chouser: morning!
09:42	cemerick	Still beating me out by an instant ;-)
09:42	jtoy	yes, that works, thx
09:42	jtoy	how does one only allow the file to load once in idiomatic clojure?
09:43	cemerick	jtoy: namespaces will only be loaded once unless you specify :reload or :reload-all in the require/use form
09:44	cemerick	But outside of the REPL, you should make sure to use a top-level ns form, as chouser hinted at.
09:48	jtoy	sorry, i explained it wrong, i mean with a slurp, i have: (defn filter_words [word] (not (some #(= % word) (clojure.string/split (slurp "stop.txt")) ))) how do I have the slurp only happen once? or is the file already loaded for each subsequent call to filter_words ?
09:51	pandeiro	jtoy: i would def a var, slurp into that, and then pass that var to my filter-words fn, but i'm pretty new here... maybe there's a better way?
09:51	jtoy	I'm new too
09:52	clgv	jtoy: there is 'defonce
09:52	pandeiro	there's the clojure.java.io ns too for doing more elaborate things but not sure you need that
09:53	cemerick	jtoy: if stop.txt isn't going to change, use defonce
09:53	cemerick	feh, I'm slow today :-P
09:53	jtoy	cool, thanks
09:53	clgv	cemerick: ;)
09:53	pandeiro	cemerick: would the ns get re-evaled every time another ns in the execution path refers to it?
09:53	pandeiro	hence the need for defonce?
09:54	cemerick	defonce just ensures that the var's definition isn't re-evaluated and reset each time the ns is loaded
09:54	pandeiro	right, gotcha... things i'm still learning 7-8 months in... man
09:55	stuartsierra	defonce really only matters if you're reloading code during development
09:55	cemerick	the ns won't get re-loaded due to another namespace referring to it; defonce is largely to prevent against redefinition when loading files via the REPL
09:55	pandeiro	stuartsierra: that's what i was wondering, if i have a ns being required in different parts of my code, is it getting evaled each time?
09:55	stuartsierra	no
09:56	stuartsierra	`require` never loads the same namespace more than once unless you tell it to
09:56	pandeiro	wonderful, that's the behavior i assumed
09:57	clgv	Has there ever been a discussion about caching the byte[] representation of dynamically created classes (via proxy, deftype...) in Clojure's DynamicClassLoader?
09:57	stuartsierra	clgv: discussion, yes, vaguely and briefly
09:57	stuartsierra	essentially that's what AOT-compile does
09:58	clgv	but AOT is different. I have written down my issue here: http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_frm/thread/613998ce1682c293#
09:59	clgv	summarizing, the byte[] representation of dynamically created classes is need when the class is loaded from a remote location when using JPPF
10:00	stuartsierra	no idea, that's a very special case
10:00	stuartsierra	you can always hack the compiler :)
10:01	clgv	yeah but you have to hack it again and again for each release... ;)
10:01	stuartsierra	Never Stop Hacking.
10:01	cemerick	clgv: there was a ML post on that, right?
10:01	clgv	cemerick: yes, the link above
10:02	cemerick	jeez
10:02	clgv	if AOT wouldnt be required, I could have a future-like command that distributes the jobs via JPPF which is also usable from REPL
10:03	cemerick	I was going to say, it sounds like JPPF should work fine if everything is AOT'd right?
10:03	clgv	yes it does.
10:05	clgv	but the interactive usage on a REPL would be the killer feature ;)
10:06	cemerick	regular functions presumably work fine as well?
10:08	clgv	cemerick: good question. as far as I understood: if they have no classfile on the classpath it will not work
10:09	pandeiro	each java process entails a unique jvm instance, am i understanding that right?
10:10	pandeiro	i'm running into memory problems on my netbook having a web server, browser repl, and swank all running at the same time, but i guess there's no way around that
10:10	clgv	cemerick: I couldnt try it since the proxy is needed and it already fails with loading the proxy-class
10:11	cemerick	Cool JVM failure: Invalid access of stack red zone 0x11626bff8 rip=0x115e15c1d
10:11	clgv	pandeiro: upgrade to a laptop ;)
10:11	pandeiro	clgv: actually it's a tweener but yeah, 2GB of ram and netbook-grade processor :(
10:12	pandeiro	i also think it's because i am working with a large dataset and 5-10mb svg files open in the browser :) not all java's fault
10:14	fdaoud	pandeiro: I love my netbook but yeah you gotta go a bit more easy on it :)
10:15	pandeiro	i love the portability, hate the processor
10:16	fdaoud	have had mine for 4 years, it has taken the use and abuse of being pounded on every day on the bus and subway, have run many different things on it, even wrote a book on it, and it hasn't complained
10:17	pandeiro	fdaoud: model?
10:18	fdaoud	pandeiro: it's an asus eee
10:18	pandeiro	cool yeah always heard good things about them
10:18	stuartsierra	cemerick: You red-lined your stack?
10:18	fdaoud	pretty much looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ASUS_Eee_White_Alt-small.png
10:19	pandeiro	fdaoud: what os?
10:19	fdaoud	pandeiro: and the battery life is pretty good too
10:19	fdaoud	lubuntu
10:19	pandeiro	nice
10:20	fdaoud	I've tried others including eeebuntu, but lubuntu has proven the most stable (on this netbook anyway)
10:23	pandeiro	fdaoud: i have a toshiba satellite t215 and it wouldn't install ubuntu, part of what precipitated my move to arch
10:23	pandeiro	i like not running gnome too, seems like a resource hog
10:26	muhoo	Raynes: what did you end up choosing as a templating engine for refheap?
10:32	fdaoud	pandeiro: indeed. what did it come with preinstalled? mine came with Xandros
10:34	chouser	pandeiro, fdaoud: what do you use for wifi network management?
10:35	pandeiro	fdaoud: wow, yeah mine came with Windows 7 Inferior Edition
10:35	pandeiro	chouser: i use wicd
10:36	devn	good morning all
10:37	pandeiro	chouser: i installed dhclient too b/c the default dhcpd was pissing me off, performs better now
10:37	chouser	pandeiro: ok, thanks.
10:37	chouser	devn: g'morning.
10:38	fdaoud	chouser: gnome network manager
10:43	fdaoud	chouser: are you having linux wifi problems?
10:45	chouser	fdaoud: no, not for a long time.
10:46	fdaoud	chouser: ah ok, good :)
10:46	pandeiro	somewhat of a linux rite of passage, that
10:46	chouser	But the desire to use gnome network manager was my gateway drug into using gnome again after years of not.
10:46	pandeiro	chouser: what did you use previously?
10:47	chouser	oh, goodness. wpa_supplicant or something
10:59	fliebel	What do you recommend for doing stuff to a /dev/ttyblah device? I read there is javax.comm aand rxtx, but... do I need them?
11:01	Zoka	cemerick: drawbridge looks really cool.
11:01	cemerick	:-)
11:02	Zoka	and very compact too:)
11:02	cemerick	Zoka: I hope you find it usable. Let me know if you hit problems.
11:02	cemerick	Maybe I'm finally learning to keep things simple.
11:02	cemerick	simpler*, perhaps
11:02	pandeiro	i want to invoke a fn with a keyword as first argument which then determines how the fn executes - would that be a case for multimethods or just a (cond) in a regular fn?
11:03	Twey	pandeiro: Are you sure this wouldn't be a better case for several different functions?
11:04	pandeiro	Twey: i don't think so, they just trigger a small tweak to the jquery selector syntax depending on that keyword
11:06	Twey	pandeiro: Multimethods are more for cases where the function performs semantically ‘the same’ operation on different values or types
11:07	Twey	pandeiro: If you've got a value that's explicitly for switching, you probably don't want multimethods
11:07	pandeiro	Twey: gotcha, so i will go with the (defn (cond combo i guess
11:08	Twey	nod Seems reasonable
11:10	Twey	Multimethods aren't really for things that ‘just trigger a small tweak’; the idea is that they're useful for making the operation transparent when it's basically the same operation, but may be implemented completely differently based on the values passed to it (hence the syntax of defining methods as totally separate functions)
11:10	Zoka	cemirick: for the time being I am staying with my transport, while I am working on more sessions features. Using Ring for nREPL communication was your idea anyway, I just have not implemented it in a such elegant way, but I am more familiar with it at the moment.
11:11	devn	wait, what's drawbridge?
11:12	fdaoud	devn: https://github.com/cemerick/drawbridge
11:12	pandeiro	Twey: so in another case, say I want this fn to accept both strings and RegEx, which obviously need different impls, that would be a case for multimethods?
11:13	fliebel	Maybe I'll just use Python for this project... I don't feel like fighting the classpath today, which seems to be required for getting rxtx to work.
11:20	fliebel	"RXTX is actually in central, but only the java portion; the native libraries are not distributed."
11:27	fliebel	So, before I just walk over to Python, how can I depend on a native library that is not on Maven?
11:30	devn	aww, chas left :(
11:31	rplevy	in lein2 is there a new way of specifying the groupid for plugins? it seems to ignore the groupid
11:31	TimMc	rplevy: Yes. The first step is, come to BAZNEX.
11:31	TimMc	We'll tell you the rest there.
11:31	rplevy	I live in Burlington, VT now
11:31	rplevy	so there's no way
11:31	TimMc	NO EXCUSES
11:31	rplevy	haha
11:32	TimMc	What do you mean by ignoring the groupid?
11:33	rplevy	ok so I have installed in my local maven a little fork of lein-cucumber, i put in my profiles.clj {:user {:plugins [[rplevy-draker/lein-cucumber "1.0.0.M1-SNAPSHOT"]]}}
11:33	rplevy	rplevy-draker, the groupid appears to be ignored
11:33	muhoo	fliebel: i saw there's a better replacement for rxtx
11:33	muhoo	it's pure java, less bugs than the jni-laden mess that is rxtx
11:34	fliebel	muhoo: What? Where? drool
11:34	muhoo	i don't recall the name but it's used in the ols project
11:34	muhoo	i can look it up, hang on
11:34	TimMc	rplevy: And it's picking up the regular lein-cucumber?
11:34	rplevy	yeah
11:35	rplevy	actually it look for it with no groupid in the repos
11:35	fliebel	muhoo: http://www.sparetimelabs.com/purejavacomm/index.html
11:35	TimMc	And you've saved your buffers? dubious
11:37	muhoo	fliebel: http://www.sparetimelabs.com/purejavacomm/index.html
11:37	muhoo	yep
11:38	fliebel	muhoo: Thanks, I guess you just saved me a ton of nastiness.
11:38	muhoo	it's thread safe :-O
11:38	rplevy	TimMc: and when I make a local maven install of it with no groupid that works fine
11:38	muhoo	fliebel: np, glad to help
11:38	fliebel	wow, that... exceptional for a hardare interfacing thing.
11:38	rplevy	(it's not in a repo online yet)
11:38	TimMc	rplevy: Freaky.
11:39	rplevy	so either there's a bug, or group/artifact is no longer the way
11:41	rplevy	maybe there should be a lein help sample-profile
11:42	rplevy	because the upgrade guid doesn't contain an example of this
11:43	rplevy	source dive time I guess, if no IRC answer :)
11:45	TimMc	I haven't really mucked about with lein2 yet.
11:48	muhoo	hmm, the idea of calling directly from clojure to c library and os functions seems kinky and appealing to me, if i ever have occasion to use it: https://github.com/twall/jna
11:48	rplevy	I'v been using and making a few contributions to lein-cucumber and cucumber-jvm. Nils' latest change to use the new cucumber-jvm stuff is on a lein2-only branch, so I get to play with lein 2.
11:50	chouser	muhoo: it's old, but... https://github.com/chouser/clojure-jna
11:50	muhoo	oh, cool, thanks
11:55	rplevy	lein2 also ignores groupid when declaring plugins in project.clj in :plugins vector
11:57	muhoo	{:vector "Victor", :clearance "Clarence", :over "Ouvre", :roger "Roger"} => "what?"
11:59	rplevy	I figured it out
11:59	rplevy	there's no bug
11:59	rplevy	lein2 install must have a different convention, because when I lein2 install the library it works
11:59	rplevy	it must name or write the pom somehow differently
12:01	markgunnels	I'm trying to include json-lib in my leiningen project. It exists in maven central and sonatype (which I have added as a repository in my project.clj). The pom for json-lib is <dependency><groupId>net.sf.json-lib</groupId><artifactId>json-lib</artifactId><version>2.4</version></dependency> and my entry in dependencies is [net.sf.json-lib/json-lib "2.4" :classifier "jdk15"] or [net.sf.json-lib/json-lib "2.4"] (tried both).
12:01	markgunnels	lein for some reason can't resolve it though.
12:03	markgunnels	Anybody see anything immediately that I am doing it wrong?
12:04	TimMc	rplevy: But it's still searching on just the artifact ID?
12:04	rplevy	no it works, I jumped to an incorrect conclusion, it wasn't ignored, it just couldn't find it
12:06	rplevy	is there anyone already working on making leiningen-war work with lein 2?
12:12	dakrone	Zoka: lemme know if cheshire 3.1.0 works for you, it should now
12:17	clizzin	anyone know the story for asset packaging in clojure web apps?
12:18	dakrone	ibdknox: just release cheshire 3.1.0, which now won't complain if clj-json is in the same project, so hopefully that will help with the noir issues for 1.2.1
12:21	rplevy	clizzin: you mean like war files?
12:38	offby1	Help -- M-x clojure-jack-in keeps failing with a baffling error: http://ix.io/2g7
12:38	offby1	I cannot for the life of me find any file that contains the symbol "slime-fancy"
12:38	rplevy	TimMc: on second thought I still think there is some groupid weirdness
12:38	offby1	I suspect this is due to leftover cruft somewhere in my home directory; M-x clojure-jack-in works OK when I start emacs with -Q
12:40	Frozenlock	offby1: I personally gave up trying to make it work with 'fancy'.
12:40	rplevy	technomancy: have you noticed any problems in lein2 using plugins specified like <groupid>/<artifact> as opposed to just the artifact?
12:41	offby1	Frozenlock: that'd be fine. How do I tell it "I don't want fancy"?
12:41	technomancy	offby1: definitely a hold-over from manually-installed slime; maybe rgrep ~/.emacs.d?
12:41	offby1	been there done that
12:41	technomancy	rplevy: I don't think I've tried that yet
12:41	technomancy	offby1: maybe apt-get?
12:42	offby1	well, this is OS X, but I'll look in macports
12:42	Frozenlock	offby1: install slime from marmalade, make sure there isn't another slime around (for CL for example). Someone else might tell you how to mix the two, but I have no idea.
12:42	technomancy	Frozenlock: actually with jack-in you don't need to install slime yourself
12:42	technomancy	it can bootstrap itself
12:42	technomancy	so it's just a matter of finding the existing version and destroying it
12:42	Frozenlock	technomancy: Oh nice!
12:43	offby1	or as I say: hunting it down and killing it
12:43	offby1	I see a version in ~/quicklisp but I assume that you put that there.
12:43	offby1	since I deleted it recently and it just came back.
12:44	Frozenlock	Indeed, in my notes I see "Install clojure-mode from git or Marmalade." No mention of slime. My apologies.
12:44	offby1	can't find any other version: "locate slime.el" yields just those two hits under ~/quicklisp
12:45	TimMc	rplevy: Try pulling in [org.timmc/lein-otf "1.1.0"]
12:46	offby1	weird, M-x slime tries to run sbcl ... but M-x find-function RET slime RET errors: signal(error ("Don't know where `slime' is defined"))
12:47	Frozenlock	offby1: You should start it with clojure-jack-in
12:48	Frozenlock	technomancy: Is lein2 ready for showtime? I would like to install it on my machine, but I'm afraid of the consequences on my Win7 OS...
12:49	offby1	Frozenlock: that's what I've been doing.
12:49	offby1	huh, rebooting emacs ... now it worked.
12:49	offby1	weird
12:50	Frozenlock	offby1: If you just installed Lein your environnement variables might have been outdated. (I know I lost hours before thinking of rebooting emacs)
12:52	technomancy	Frozenlock: someone claimed to get it working on Windows
12:53	technomancy	Frozenlock: I use it every day on debian, but I'm not sure if the batch file has been updated
12:54	offby1	Frozenlock: I haven't explicitly installed lein
12:55	technomancy	rplevy: leiningen-war is deprecated IIRC
12:55	Frozenlock	technomancy: 'get it working' scares me :P
12:55	technomancy	Frozenlock: well I mean they got it working and submitted a patch =)
12:55	technomancy	which is a lot better than getting it working and not submitting a patch
12:56	Frozenlock	Indeed :)
12:56	rplevy	technomancy: what is the new way of doing what leiningen-war did?
12:57	technomancy	rplevy: lein-ring is generally the way to go these days I believe
12:57	fdaoud	rplevy: lein ring uberwar
12:57	rplevy	ok, neat, I'll use that
12:58	TimMc	In noir, is there a way to get automatic resource reloading?
12:59	TimMc	E.g., I'd like to be able to do (defresource foo "path/to/query.sparql") and have it define an IDeref that will be swapped whenever the resource changes on disk.
13:00	TimMc	(only in dev mode, perhaps)
13:16	simard`	what's the simplest way to run (swank.swank/start-server) in a thread of its own ? I basically want to start a swank server within my clojure VM without blocking at that call
13:18	technomancy	simard: easiest to wrap it in a future
13:19	simard	technomancy: thank you
13:23	sritchie	technomancy, do I need to run anything special to get checkout dependencies working w/ lein swank?
13:24	sritchie	oh, never mind
13:24	sritchie	working
13:24	sritchie	nice
13:24	sritchie	!
13:28	fdaoud	[ibo;c vpod
13:28	muhoo	! was my reaction to lein too. i couldn't imaagine clj without it.
13:28	fdaoud	sorry, handed shifted on kbd + wrong window!
13:29	technomancy	fdaoud: just blame the cat; works every time
13:29	fdaoud	technomancy: :D
13:29	muhoo	ok, just convinced a customer to let me deliver him code written in clojure. win.
13:29	progo	fantastic :)
13:29	muhoo	thanks!
13:34	phiat	hello clojurians... I have a question about Java interop that I can't find the answer to...
13:35	phiat	how do i instantiate a new java class like Polygon Polygon(int[] xpoints,
13:35	phiat	int[] ypoints,
13:35	phiat	int npoints)
13:35	phiat	(i.e. mulitple params in the ctor)
13:36	sritchie	(Polygon. array-1 array-2 points)
13:36	phiat	wow thanks. i'll try that
13:37	TimMc	&(doc int-array)
13:37	lazybot	⇒ "([size-or-seq] [size init-val-or-seq]); Creates an array of ints"
13:38	sritchie	phiat: yeah, that might be what's getting in your way
13:38	mega`	,(int-array [1 2 3])
13:38	clojurebot	#<int[] [I@1685b65>
13:38	sritchie	it's gotta be a primitive array for that constructor
13:38	phiat	ah ok.. thanks a buynch
13:38	phiat	bunch
13:38	sritchie	(defn mk-polygon [xs ys n] (Polygon. (int-array xs) (int-array ys) n))
13:38	phiat	very nice
13:39	fdaoud	sritchie: SICP flashback
13:39	sritchie	painters!!
13:39	fdaoud	:)
13:39	sritchie	(def x-coord car)
13:39	sritchie	yup
13:48	dnolen	nice, new CLJS release going out with PersistentVector
13:51	fdaoud	dnolen: very cool
14:09	dnolen	and no more warning about .foo
14:12	fliebel	muhoo: Do you have any personal experience with the purejavacomm thing?
14:15	fdaoud	dnolen: oh that's nice. I'd been somewhat relunctantly ignoring those.
14:21	dnolen	k core.logic 0.7.0 out the door, now works easily with Clojure and ClojureScript
14:24	fliebel	dnolen: yay!
14:25	kmicu	Anyone has problems with 'lein cljsbuild auto' on project https://github.com/swannodette/cljs-demo ?
14:29	dnolen	kmicu: sorry, been busy with a few things - soon as core.logic 0.7.0 hits maven central that project should just work.
14:32	fdaoud	dnolen: so first clojurescript has to hit maven central, and then a new version of cljsbuild needs to use the new version of clojurescript?
14:33	dnolen	another reason to get cooking on the killer Clojure REPL in HTML 5, put this in your google search input: sqrt(xx+yy)+3cos(sqrt(xx+y*y))+5
14:33	dnolen	fdaoud: no, just core.logic
14:34	dnolen	fdaoud: oh, yes, if you're talking about the latest CLJS
14:34	fdaoud	dnolen: yes sorry meant the new CLJS release you mentioned earlier, and using cljsbuild.
14:35	kmicu	dnolen: Im on ubuntu 12.04 beta and I have lein 1.7.1 and lein 2 and I don't know if problems are on my side or not :), I can't even get core.logic 0.6.9 from clojars/maven but I can see this version on mvn Central :/ so I added 0.6.9 jar manually, but now when I run lein cljsbuild auto I get java.io.FileNotFoundException: Could not locate clj/core/logic/macros__init.class or clj/core/logic/macros.clj on classpath :P
14:36	dnolen	kmicu: nothing will work until 0.7.0 hits maven central - you'll have to be patient - it takes some time.
14:36	Zoka	dakrone: cheshire 3.1.0 fine
14:36	dnolen	kmicu: if you really want to get going - you'll have to clone core.logic and install it by hand - which is pretty easy.
14:36	kmicu	dnolen: 0.7.0 not 0.6.9?
14:37	dnolen	kmicu: yes
14:37	dnolen	kmicu: anything prior to 0.7.0 will have the wrong jar layout.
14:37	kmicu	dnolen: thx, you're great! ;)
14:37	dnolen	kmicu: so 0.6.9 has CLJS support but nothing works because the JAR layout is wrong.
14:37	dnolen	kmicu: np
14:46	offby1	basic Java ignorance: I've attempted to set CLASSPATH inside of emacs like this: (setenv "CLASSPATH" "/opt/local/share/java/clojure/lib/clojure-contrib.jar") ...
14:46	offby1	... then I killed "java" and re-did M-x clojure-jack-in ...
14:46	offby1	But now I see user> (System/getProperty "java.class.path") => "/Users/erichanchrow/doodles/clojure/hello/test:/Users/erichanchrow/doodles/clojure/hello/src:/Users/erichanchrow/doodles/clojure/hello/classes:/Users/erichanchrow/doodles/clojure/hello/lib/clojure-1.2.1.jar:/Users/erichanchrow/.lein/plugins/swank-clojure-1.4.0.jar"
14:47	offby1	which seems wrong: shouldn't the clojure-contrib.jar appear in that output?
14:47	offby1	this is OS X; is this one of those deals where the new java process _doesn't_ inherit the environment from the process that started it?
14:47	technomancy	offby1: you should be able to avoid setting the classpath by hand by just changing project.clj
14:47	offby1	technomancy: hmm, uh OK
14:47	technomancy	managing dependencies by hand is just no fun
14:47	offby1	well, sure
14:48	offby1	even if this worked I wouldn't want to _always_ do it this way.
14:48	offby1	But I'm at such a baby-beginner level that I'd like to understand _why_ it's not working
14:48	offby1	do I just add clojure-contrib to the :dependencies in the semi-obvious way?
14:49	Twey	offby1: Could be that emacs isn't passing that on, or that the Java instance started by emacs has an explicit -cp argument?
14:49	technomancy	offby1: yes, but with caveats
14:49	technomancy	:dependencies [[org.clojure/clojure-contrib "1.2.0"]]
14:50	offby1	technomancy: that's pretty much what I guessed; tx
14:50	technomancy	and that's fine for messing around, but in general "monolithic contrib" is deprecated
14:50	offby1	Twey: ooh, good point about the explicit -cp
14:50	offby1	technomancy: what does that mean in English?
14:50	technomancy	offby1: it means rather than a bucket-o-libraries all mushed into one jar, the path forward is having each library in contrib maintained separately
14:50	amalloy	offby1: don't use clojure-contrib; use the new broken-up contrib modules
14:50	technomancy	clojurebot: where did contrib go?
14:50	clojurebot	well... it's a long story: http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/Where+Did+Clojure.Contrib+Go
14:51	offby1	sigh
14:51	technomancy	offby1: contrib-as-a-single-jar is just a holdover from the days when having more than two jars was a huge pain in the neck
14:51	technomancy	but if you're just messing around it's not a big deal
14:52	technomancy	offby1: the list is pretty short
14:52	offby1	good
14:52	technomancy	0) contrib, 1) #^ for metadata is replaced with just ^, and a couple other fairly obscure things
14:52	amalloy	i bet structs and duck-streams are on the list (not having read the book though)
14:52	technomancy	yeah, no more structs
14:53	technomancy	clojure.java.io and clojure.test are included in clojure itself now
14:53	amalloy	duck-streams is what i hear most often from people who read some old book
14:54	technomancy	c.j.io being the duck-streams replacement
14:55	offby1	looks like there's no "clojure.contrib.str-utils" although there is a "clojure.contrib.string"
14:55	amalloy	clojure.string
14:55	emezeske	fdaoud: I just saw the new clojurescript release on the ML. I'll try to squeeze out a quick cljsbuild release today, although I do have to hit the road here in a bit... :)
14:56	offby1	I just don't know what it is about Clojure -- every time I try to learn it, I seem overwhelmed with hindrances. Either I'm consistently doing something wrong, or I just lack sufficient motivation ...
14:57	offby1	maybe it's my insistence on using it via Emacs, combined with my utter ignorance of Java
14:57	technomancy	coming at it fresh would probably be easier than coming at it after two years away =\
14:57	amalloy	offby1: emacs is the way to go, especially if (as you of course are) you're already familiar with emacs
14:58	offby1	I try to start from scratch each time.
14:58	RickInGA	offby1 if you use emacs for other things, it is a good way to go. If you are not an emacs user normally, try clooj. It is a great way to start with Clojure
14:59	technomancy	offby1: there's an updated edition of the halloway book, plus the new oreilly book is good
14:59	lynaghk`	emezeske: where are you off to? JSConf?
15:00	amalloy	RickInGA: offby1 has probably never turned off emacs in his entire life
15:00	offby1	technomancy: oh! I didn't know.
15:00	emezeske	lynaghk`: Nah, just a little road trip. Up to your neck of the woods, actually!
15:00	lynaghk`	emezeske: yeah? If you're in PDX and need a beer, drop me a line
15:00	emezeske	lynaghk`: Sounds good!
15:01	aperiodic	i like beer
15:01	aperiodic	;)
15:01	emezeske	BEEEEEEEEEEER
15:02	aperiodic	lynaghk` has my number, so you should hit me up if y'all are doing that
15:02	lynaghk`	Does anyone know if trying to use pushState and hashChange at the same time is asking for a boatload of trouble?
15:02	lynaghk`	aperiodic: will do.
15:02	RickInGA	,(symbol :foo)
15:03	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.Keyword cannot be cast to java.lang.String>
15:03	dnolen	emezeske: sick, thx for the quick switch to latest!
15:03	RickInGA	Is there a function for converting keyword to symbol?
15:03	dnolen	emezeske: oh, you haven't got there yet :)
15:03	emezeske	dnolen: I'd have it done already if 0.0-1006 was in maven (or whatever)
15:04	dnolen	emezeske: yeah it usually takes a few hours
15:04	emezeske	dnolen: Hopefully I can sneak away later tonight to push out the release real fast :)
15:05	kmicu	dnolen: It works, pure madness!
15:05	emezeske	aperiodic: Souns good, man!
15:05	dnolen	kmicu: excellent! did you just install core.logic yourself?
15:05	kmicu	dnolen: yes, fresh 0.7.0!
15:06	dnolen	kmicu: cool, glad to hear that the instructions weren't too obtuse.
15:07	xeqi	$findfn :a 'a
15:07	lazybot	[]
15:08	kmicu	:dnolen one question about this warnings during cljs build e.g.: WARNING: The form (. this toString) is no longer a property access. Maybe you meant (. this -toString) instead? For now it is ok?
15:08	xeqi	$findfn 'a :a
15:08	lazybot	[clojure.core/keyword clojure.core/find-keyword]
15:09	RickInGA	is findfn just a bot thing? I got an error in inferior-lisp
15:09	xeqi	yeah
15:09	dnolen	kmicu: for now it is OK, we're waiting for CLJS 1006 to hit maven, I'll update cljs-demo soon as it does to grab latest lein-cljsbuild
15:09	RickInGA	cool
15:09	xeqi	,((comp symbol name) :x)
15:09	clojurebot	x
15:09	Raynes	RickInGA: It is a library too though.
15:09	Raynes	RickInGA: https://github.com/Raynes/find-fn
15:10	RickInGA	thanks
15:10	Raynes	Er, https://github.com/Raynes/findfn
15:18	gfredericks	what's the deps.js file for that my app.js keeps trying to load?
15:19	gfredericks	i.e., what's it expecting to be in there and how would I go about fulfilling those expectations (or changing them)?
15:19	emezeske	gfredericks: That file is something that would be used if you were not compiling down to one file
15:19	gfredericks	(using lein-cljsbuild)
15:19	emezeske	gfredericks: Here's an example of how to make that go away: https://github.com/emezeske/lein-cljsbuild/blob/master/example-projects/simple/src-clj/example/views.clj#L13
15:20	gfredericks	emezeske: thx
15:21	gfredericks	emezeske: on a related note, I have no idea how to do clojurescript deps anyhow -- is there some doc on that somewhere?
15:22	emezeske	gfredericks: All you have to do is (require ...) them, and if they're in the classpath you're good
15:22	emezeske	gfredericks: And they can get in the classpath by adding them to your :dev-dependencies or whatever
15:23	gfredericks	okay sweet
15:23	gfredericks	wait a minute
15:23	gfredericks	uh
15:24	gfredericks	what does that assume about what I'm doing in the project.clj config with cljsbuild?
15:24	emezeske	gfredericks: Nothing at all.
15:24	gfredericks	okay
15:24	emezeske	gfredericks: It really is just as simple as "is it on the classpath"
15:25	emezeske	gfredericks: Whether or not the classpath is simple is another discussion :P
15:25	mega`	sup cljs experts getting some error with clojure.browser.repl/connect in the newest cljs version parentElm is null.. anny one seen this before?
15:25	gfredericks	I'll not ask anything else until I can't get it to work :)
15:26	emezeske	gfredericks: ^_^
15:30	fdaoud	emezeske: great, thanks!
15:31	emezeske	fdaoud: Note that, as others have mentioned, it could be a few hours before the upstream release hits the repositories
15:31	fdaoud	emezeske: noted. I'll be patient. :)
15:33	ipostelnik	is there a way to get "lein uberjar" to not check for dependency updates?
15:42	offby1	is it normal for "lein search" to take many minutes?
15:51	TimMc	the first time, yes
15:54	Raynes	offby1: It downloads lucene indexes.
15:54	Raynes	offby1: Which is the equivalent of downloading the internet.
15:55	fdaoud	if only lein clean cleaned the internet.
15:56	Raynes	Every time you run `lein clean`, 12 comments disappear from hacker news forever.
15:56	offby1	anyone know offhand if some bit of Clojure creates a directory ~/.m2, and fills it with class files?
15:56	dnolen	kibit is headed towards being as cool as this: http://soft.vub.ac.be/SOUL/
15:57	offby1	Raynes: that'd be a _good_ thing, no? :-)
15:58	fdaoud	offby1: that's a maven thing, which I believe lein uses as well
15:58	offby1	hm, OK; I'll spare it the wrath of my "nuke everything that I don't understand" impulse
15:58	offby1	since it does have a ton o' stuff in it
15:59	fdaoud	offby1: for example, clojurescript might come from here: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/clojure/clojurescript/
15:59	fdaoud	then it would go into your .m2/repository/org/clojure/clojurescript
15:59	offby1	ah, ~/.m2 implies "maven2". Got it
16:00	offby1	thanks
16:00	fdaoud	right, sorry should have mentioned that.
16:00	fdaoud	welcome
16:01	jtoy	if i need a very simple web app to serve the contents of a file on the fs to the browser, what lib would you guys recommend? Im a clojure newb
16:01	fdaoud	offby1: my .m2 has about 500-600MB in it.. you might want to hold off on nuking it.
16:01	hiredman	jtoy: I would recommend this thing called "apache" it's pretty good
16:02	jtoy	hiredman: i will convert the file a little bit
16:02	jtoy	with some code
16:02	offby1	fdaoud: yeah, I've put lamb's blood around its doorframe; it shall be spared my wrath
16:02	jtoy	hiredman: because, if it was just a web server, i would use nginx, it uses less resources
16:03	jtoy	besides
16:03	offby1	I'd put in an ignorant vote for nginx too -- I vaguely recall it's easier to set up than apache
16:04	fdaoud	does this mean I shall never ever again suffer the wrath of offby1 errors?
16:04	offby1	I don't see no lamb's blood round _your_ doorway.
16:05	fdaoud	wait, didn't you see what I did above?
16:05	offby1	oops!
16:05	offby1	I guess I'm not as omniscient as y'all thought
16:07	fdaoud	,(map list "abcde" (cycle [:odd :even]))
16:07	clojurebot	((\a :odd) (\b :even) (\c :odd) (\d :even) (\e :odd))
16:08	fdaoud	love stuff like that, no more (for i = 0, t = ...) { (i % 2 == 0) ? .. : ..)
16:08	offby1	that's exactly the sort of thing that keeps me plugging away at trying to learn this beast
16:12	fdaoud	offby1: I agree. One hurdle I'm trying to overcome is to "unthink" the ways I've always done this stuff, and find better functional-style solutions
16:12	autodidakto	jtoy: lib? you mean web framework, or?
16:12	jtoy	yeah, web framework
16:13	amalloy	:( web framework. "Clojure: build libraries, not frameworks"
16:13	jtoy	or lib is fine
16:14	autodidakto	It's helpful to make comparisons/analogies cough
16:14	fdaoud	(map (fn [name] (amalloy :description)) ["ring" "compojure" "noir" "hiccup"])
16:14	autodidakto	jtoy: so there's ring, on top of ring, there's compojure, on top of compojure there's noir
16:15	autodidakto	if you know ruby, ring is like rack
16:15	jtoy	i know ruby
16:15	amalloy	personally, i'd just slap something together with ring/compojure. a lot of people would use noir. the smart people would use probably use nginx or apache for production
16:15	autodidakto	noir is something like sinatra
16:16	amalloy	fdaoud: '(library library framework/but-pretty-cool-anyway library)
16:17	fdaoud	amalloy: cool. so why is compojure a library, but noir a framework?
16:17	technomancy	offby1: lein2 has a progress bar for search index downloading now
16:17	offby1	fdaoud: I'm quite familiar with functional style and Lisp; what's tripping me up is the Java-ness.
16:17	offby1	and the always-quickly-changing-ness.
16:18	amalloy	noir has all this implicit stuff about views and models and partials and middleware it injects automatically for you. but also, because i don't know that much about it
16:18	amalloy	so don't take my word for it
16:19	technomancy	offby1: picking up Clojure c. 1.4.0 when you last touched it at 1.0 would be a bit like getting back into Emacs when you hadn't touched it since version 20. =)
16:19	autodidakto	About the "framework" word.... I agree that it isn't the right word... what's great about the clojure web..sphere... how these small, well written parts (ring/compojure/noir) fit one ontop of the other
16:19	technomancy	which I believe seancorfield actually did, but it wasn't pretty
16:19	fdaoud	offby1: oic. I'm coming from the other side. 15 years of Java. Not so many of lisp/FP. I'd say interested in FP since about the last 4 years or so (FunctionalJ, 2008)
16:19	offby1	technomancy: Actually it's not a problem since I remember approximately nothing
16:19	technomancy	ah, perfect then
16:20	autodidakto	amalloy: I think ibdknox would disagree about noir doing a substantial amount of background magic. In any case, you should check it out
16:20	fdaoud	amalloy: np. I'm just curious at the boundary between library and framework. Framework would be where you have to mostly go "all-in", then?
16:20	fdaoud	as opposed to library which is more "use what you need"?
16:22	weavejester	A framework is usually something that dictates how your code is laid out.
16:22	weavejester	So Rails sets up a folder structure and a way of doing things for you
16:22	weavejester	A library just provides an API you use. It's a servant, rather than a master.
16:23	fdaoud	weavejester: well said.
16:24	fdaoud	that is useful since I am trying to write about all this stuff.
16:26	offby1	is there some reason that "lein search" can't cause the search to run remotely? That way I wouldn't have to wait half an hour for the index to download :-\|
16:27	weavejester	offby1: As far as I know, Maven repositories are just static folder structures - no search
16:28	technomancy	offby1: you can use http://search.maven.org and the search box on http://clojars.org if you know which repository contains the dependency
16:29	Raynes	Or technomancy can make his broken softwares faster.
16:29	technomancy	repo1.maven.org is not my software =P
16:29	fdaoud	Raynes: you still lacking sleep bro? :)
16:29	autodidakto	Raynes: come on now, be nice, he's making broken software as fast as he can
16:29	Raynes	fdaoud: A little bit.
16:29	Raynes	autodidakto: :p
16:29	dnolen	just tried kibit - very neat!
16:29	fdaoud	Raynes: I hope your weekend is RESTful.
16:30	Raynes	fdaoud: :)
16:37	TimMc	ibdknox: How hard would it be to hook into noir's view reloading to provide an atom that kept getting refreshed with the contents of some resource?
16:40	fdaoud	Raynes: what's happening with Meet Clojure?
16:41	Raynes	fdaoud: It's just taking a while because I have a lot on my plate.
16:41	Raynes	Still in progress though.
16:41	fdaoud	cool. believe me, I know how much work it is.
16:44	autodidakto	Raynes: The yellow E in the MSPaint-cover-concept-art is a nice touch
16:44	Raynes	That was something a friend just threw together as a placeholder for an actual cover.
16:46	autodidakto	Learn You a Haskell has the elephant, Land of lisp the alien (elephant like creature). Meet clojure maybe needs an animal mascott too
16:46	fdaoud	autodidakto: O'Reilly's Clojure and Closure both have birds :D
16:47	autodidakto	The sometimes-italic j in Clojure is suggestive of an ant-eater or aardvark
16:47	autodidakto	fdaoud: I see they're not concerned about confusion
16:47	fdaoud	hehe
16:48	TimMc	The animals they use are completely random, right?
16:49	TimMc	I'm pretty sure their Python book has a rat on the cover.
16:49	autodidakto	nah it has a snake
16:49	autodidakto	but I vaguely remember hearing that it's not exactly author's choice. i'll look it up
16:49	fdaoud	nothing beats the drunk dude on the Joy of Clojure cover.
16:50	dnolen	huh kibit runs in a reasonable amount of time even on large Clojure code bases
16:50	autodidakto	Wait. there is an edition with a rat... weird
16:51	autodidakto	fdaoud: haha yeah
16:51	raek	the joy of clojure cover guy looks like the břežňák man
16:51	autodidakto	TimMc: you're right, latest python has rat on it. Python food methinks.
16:54	autodidakto	no wait, was rat until latest edition. then they changed the name slightly and put a python. same author.
16:58	TimMc	Authors usually have little to no control over book covers.
16:59	autodidakto	TimMc: "explaination" here -> http://oreilly.com/news/ediemals_0400.html TL;DR, cover design just makes it up and gives no explanation
16:59	autodidakto	TimMc: Title and subtitles too. Crazy marketers get more say
17:00	autodidakto	*Cover designer just makes it up...
17:02	TimMc	I love it: "One author desperately wanted to have a boll weevil on his book cover"
17:02	offby1	Damn, more trouble: on Ubuntu, now, M-x clojure-jack-in is getting me ``Starting swank server... Connecting to Swank on port 62854.. [2 times] error in process filter: Symbol's function definition is void: slime-output-buffer [2 times]''
17:02	offby1	what's odd is that I can see there's a hidden buffer that contains slime, and it contains a definition for that function
17:03	technomancy	offby1: looks like you still have something installed that's expecting a newer version of slime
17:03	offby1	sigh
17:03	offby1	emacs does not make it easy to see where code is loaded
17:03	autodidakto	TimMc: The boll weevil really is the king of the weevils
17:04	offby1	technomancy: so is that swank buffer supposed to get evalled?
17:04	TimMc	s/evalled/weeviled/
17:04	dnolen	emezeske: looks like cljs might have made it to maven
17:04	autodidakto	hehe
17:04	technomancy	offby1: oh my bad; I thought you said it was a variable rather than a function
17:05	technomancy	offby1: older swank-clojure implementations spewed out all of slime.el into swank, but in 1.4.0 it's a bit more streamlined
17:05	offby1	hmm
17:05	technomancy	offby1: you could try lein plugin install swank-clojure 1.4.0
17:05	offby1	sure why not
17:06	offby1	by the way, I'm using lein 1.6.0 which appears to have come from Ubuntu, since it's in /usr/bin/lein ... Is that bad?
17:06	technomancy	no, that should be fine
17:06	technomancy	if you do have slime from marmalade already, you can just do "lein swank" and M-x slime-connect
17:06	offby1	ok, installing the plugin appears to have succeeded
17:07	technomancy	jack-in is mostly there to avoid all the headaches people get from figuring out how marmalade works
17:07	offby1	you totally lost me
17:07	offby1	I'll try clojure-jack-in again
17:07	technomancy	sure
17:09	offby1	apparently lein 1.6.0 _is_ bad: it says "lein swank is not a task"
17:09	offby1	life on the bleeding edge!
17:09	technomancy	oh cripes; yeah... I thought that bug was older
17:10	technomancy	easy fix though; remove the old swank from ~/.lein/plugins
17:10	fdaoud	dnolen: sweet!
17:11	offby1	may just nuke all of ~/.lein
17:11	technomancy	offby1: if it placates your fury
17:12	fdaoud	precates?
17:12	fdaoud	;)
17:18	offby1	hooray, shiny new lein fixes all problems. I even noticed my hair growing back.
17:19	technomancy	fwiw 1.7.1 is in debian testing =)
17:19	technomancy	there's hope for a brighter tomorrow
17:22	fdaoud	good weekend all
17:46	emezeske	dnolen: sweet, it sure did!
17:48	lynaghk`	emezeske: have you ever used cljsbuild with ibdknox's fetch?
17:48	emezeske	lynaghk`: Yeah, I use that in my closed-sauce project
17:48	lynaghk`	I ran into an issue where cljsbuild auto wasn't refreshing properly.
17:49	emezeske	Under what circumstances?
17:49	lynaghk`	nothing crazy as far as I could tell. I just added fetch to my project and started playing around with it and ran into that issue
17:50	emezeske	Like, you saved one of your project's cljs files and it didn't rebuild?
17:50	lynaghk`	not using the macro made it go away; I was going to dig into it more but decided to just switch over to using Compojure with XHR manually.
17:50	ibdknox	lynaghk`: when you add a new clj dependency you have to restart the watcher
17:50	lynaghk`	no, it rebuilt and no errors showed up but It would serve a stale version
17:50	ibdknox	like the macros for fetch
17:51	lynaghk`	ibdknox: yep, it persisted after that though.
17:51	ibdknox	hm
17:51	lynaghk`	ibdknox: I just integrated waltz into a project this morning; it's rad.
17:51	ibdknox	:)
17:51	lynaghk`	I have some wishlist items---I can submit a pull if you're game
17:51	lynaghk`	one would be to have a listener called on all state changes
17:52	ibdknox	yeah, that was on my list
17:52	emezeske	lynaghk`: That's weird, I don't know what's up with that.
17:52	ibdknox	having a deterministic version
17:52	ibdknox	and renaming those stupid names
17:52	ibdknox	lol
17:52	lynaghk`	emezeske: yeah, I'll try the new cljs build and put together a minimal example if I run into it again
17:52	ibdknox	deftrans/transition is confusing :(
17:52	lynaghk`	yeah, I was confused about that too. Also, I'd love a macro where you can define it all in one form (like compojure's defroutes)
17:53	ibdknox	sure
17:53	ibdknox	you can do that already just with (->
17:53	ibdknox	I think
17:53	lynaghk`	ahhh, good point.
17:53	emezeske	lynaghk`: That would be aweesome.
17:54	ibdknox	defevent or definput?
17:54	lynaghk`	ibdknox: have you seen https://github.com/gf3/secretary ?
17:54	ibdknox	yeah, I have something similarish in waltz
17:55	ibdknox	where you can do transitions based on hash changes or urls
17:55	lynaghk`	there is no destructuring in there though, eh?
17:55	ibdknox	yeah
17:56	lynaghk`	What I'm doing right now is actually just shoving all context into a url-encoded string
17:56	gfredericks	what is the fancy point-free way to go from x to (fn [y] (@x y))?
17:56	gfredericks	(partial deref x) is clearly wrong
17:57	lynaghk`	i.e., clientsideapp.com/state/{:my "cljs" :prn "datastructure}
17:57	weavejester	gfredericks: juxt, I think...
17:57	pjstadig	(partial apply (deref x))?
17:57	pjstadig	or maybe a comp in there?
17:57	gfredericks	pjstadig: I don't want to deref until the function is called though
17:57	ibdknox	lynaghk`: haha interesting
17:58	pjstadig	hmm
17:58	emezeske	Okay, I just pushed out lein-cljsbuild 0.1.4, which depends on the latest clojurescript release (0.0-1006) as well as closes a few other cases.
17:58	weavejester	Ohh, I didn't notice the derefing
17:58	gfredericks	weavejester: I was really hoping you were wrong :)
17:58	weavejester	I don't think there's a built in function for that.
17:58	lynaghk`	emezeske: high-five!
17:58	pjstadig	#(@x %)
17:58	gfredericks	weavejester: perhaps not one but a small combination...
17:58	gfredericks	pjstadig: that's shorter, not point-free
17:58	pjstadig	oh yeah
17:58	pjstadig	point free
17:59	technomancy	pjstadig: that looks like a screenshot from nethack
17:59	gfredericks	partial apply sounds promising though
17:59	technomancy	not saying that's a bad thing
18:00	gfredericks	I guess what you need is a call function
18:00	TimMc	this is going to be something horrible with partial apply apply, isn't it
18:00	gfredericks	or invoke or whatever
18:00	gfredericks	TimMc: that's why you need call, it's cleaner
18:00	hiredman	((fn [y] (@x y)) 1) is just ((deref x) 1)
18:00	gfredericks	hiredman: certainly
18:00	gfredericks	but I want an expression for the function
18:00	gfredericks	not the result of calling it
18:00	hiredman	so, uh, (deref x) is point free
18:01	gfredericks	hiredman: but that derefs immediately rather than when the function is called
18:01	gfredericks	(def my-fn (deref x)) is no good
18:01	gfredericks	yeah I think it will have to be really ugly
18:01	gfredericks	at least without a call function
18:02	gfredericks	probably even ugly with that
18:02	TimMc	trampoline :-P
18:02	gfredericks	ooh
18:02	lynaghk`	ibdknox: Why did you decide to write a deftrans construct for Waltz? All I'm doing with them is defining transitions that set the machine to the state with the same name (am I missing something?)
18:03	ibdknox	lynaghk`: it's non-deterministic, so a transition (or input, or event) can cause multiple states to flip
18:03	ibdknox	lynaghk`: transitions should be verbs, states should be nouns/adjectives
18:03	lynaghk`	ibdknox: ahhhh, got it.
18:04	ibdknox	transition: load -> state: loading
18:04	ibdknox	as an example
18:05	lynaghk`	ibdknox: so the machine can be "in" any subset of the total number of states?
18:06	ibdknox	yes
18:06	ibdknox	it's up to you to define exclusions
18:06	ibdknox	buuut, like I said, I want to add a deterministic version too. In that case, all states are mutually exclusive
18:07	lynaghk`	ibdknox: any plans to do something hiearchical?
18:07	lynaghk`	emezeske: these undeclared var warnings are pretty hot, thanks.
18:07	ibdknox	you can accomplish that with what's there
18:08	lynaghk`	ibdknox: But I demand synatactic sugar!
18:08	ibdknox	but it depends on what you mean
18:08	lynaghk`	=P
18:08	ibdknox	haha
18:08	lynaghk`	Nah, all I have in mind would be to have different SMs for different screens, but with a deterministic version it wouldn't be difficult to implement that
18:09	lynaghk`	I'll have to make a large app with these things, and then log the transitions and make some cool visualizations.
18:09	ibdknox	yeah
18:09	ibdknox	:)
18:09	ibdknox	the ability trace everything is pretty neat
18:10	muhoo	fliebel: i've used ols, which uses purejavacomm
18:11	emezeske	lynaghk`: yeah, thanks go to jenan wise for that feature, and dnolen for suggesting it!
18:11	TimMc	ibdknox: Did you see my question about reloading arbitrary resources?
18:11	muhoo	Raynes: what template engine did you end up settling on for refheap?
18:11	emezeske	lynaghk`: I have wanted that for a while
18:11	Raynes	muhoo: Mustache.
18:11	muhoo	Raynes: thanks
18:11	lynaghk`	emezeske: man, cljs really is taking all of the runtime fun out of clientside development.
18:11	Raynes	muhoo: Via https://github.com/davidsantiago/stencil
18:12	muhoo	oh yes, thanks. i do remember you talking abotu that now.
18:16	ibdknox	TimMc: missed it
18:18	ipostelnik	is there a way to figure out what's holding the head of lazy-seq and why?
18:19	TimMc	ibdknox: How hard would it be to hook into noir's view reloading to provide an atom that kept getting refreshed with the contents of some resource?
18:20	TimMc	I guess it wouldn't have to be noir-specific -- it would just be a nice feature when editing SQL or SPARQL query files.
18:25	Frozenlock	Any advice on whether I should use Noir or compojure/hiccup?
18:26	vijaykiran	Noir uses compojure/hiccup AFAIK and you get some extra sugar as well.
18:28	dnolen	nice lein-cljsbuild now gives declaration warnings
18:28	technomancy	Frozenlock: if you know how all the pieces fit together you might try compojure itself first, but noir makes a lot of choices for you that you may not care to bother with
18:33	Frozenlock	technomancy: thanks. As a neophyte, I'll give a try to Noir.
18:34	simard	is there a way to force the termination of a future when future-cancel fails ?
18:36	ivan___	in cljs how do you access the window object? i seem to get a namespaced window object, but that doesnt seem like the 'real' one
18:38	ivan___	nvm
18:40	weavejester	Frozenlock: Does it use that library in particular?
18:41	Frozenlock	I think it does; it's in the lib folder.
18:42	weavejester	Frozenlock: Ah, it looks like it uses the more up-to-date ring.middleware.reload in the upcoming version 1.3.0
18:43	Frozenlock	Will it use your new version of compojure/hiccup too? I saw both were in beta.
18:44	Frozenlock	nvm: [hiccup "1.0.0-beta1"] [compojure "1.0.1"]
18:44	weavejester	Frozenlock: The master branch of Noir has those deps
18:44	weavejester	I'll probably release Hiccup 1.0.0-RC1 tomorrow
18:44	weavejester	And Ring 1.1.0-RC1 sometime this weekend, too.
18:51	lynaghk`	emezeske: auto compilation with fetch seems to work fine in the new cljsbuild.
18:54	lynaghk`	weavejester: would you still be open to a pull request for an :allow-symlink option for (wrap-file) middleware? I ran into that problem yesterday and saw you had a discussion about it with someone last summer and said you'd welcome a patch.
19:08	arohner	simard: not really. there are ways to terminate threads in java, but they're very unsafe
19:09	simard	arohner: hum then I'll have to find a way to kill that swank gracefully.. say send it a message.
19:09	simard	somehow.
19:09	arohner	simard: your goal is to stop the swank server?
19:09	simard	yes
19:09	simard	well..
19:09	simard	I tried (swank.swank/stop-server)
19:09	simard	and it seems to work.
19:10	simard	it fact I'm not sure which thread is preventing my software from stopping.
19:10	simard	s/it/in
19:10	simard	when I asked the question about futures I thought it was swank
19:11	arohner	simard: (Thread/getAllStackTraces) will return a list of all threads
19:11	arohner	simard: then call .getName and .isDaemon on all of them
19:11	arohner	sorry (-> (Thread/getAllStackTraces) (keys))
19:12	arohner	simard: the non-daemon threads keep the app alive
19:12	arohner	though if you wait 60s for the app, and it shuts down on its own, that's probably the clojure agents keeping it up
19:13	simard	60s eh. I'll try that
19:14	simard	arohner: oh it did shut down after 1s this time..
19:14	arohner	if it shuts down after 60s, you need to call (shutdown-agents) when you're ready to shut down
19:15	simard	arohner: yup it definitely shuts down after a while
19:15	simard	I'll add this call then, thanks :)
19:16	arohner	np
19:21	arohner	does anyone have experience w/ cron4j or a similar library?
19:25	jhickner	clojurescript question. I'm trying to set a js propertty - camera.position.z = 1000. Is there a nicer way to do it than this? (set! (.-z (.-position camera)) 1000)
19:27	ideally_world	is it possible to assert something in a midje after wrapper?
19:32	oakwise	jhickner: (set! (.. camera -position -z) 1000)
19:32	jhickner	hotness. thanks!
19:33	oakwise	np
19:34	simard	jhickner: are you working on a game ?
19:36	jhickner	some work with three.js
19:36	jhickner	not a game, just messing around really
19:38	aperiodic	jhickner: is the source available anywhere?
19:39	ibdknox	TimMc: yeah, I don't think I would tie it to noir :)
19:39	jhickner	not yet, I just started this morning
19:40	aperiodic	jhickner: i've entertained the idea of doing that myself, but haven't gotten around to it yet. hopefully i can just steal your code ;)
19:40	eggsby	is there a canonical clojure redis client?
19:41	eggsby	or is it a free-for-all
19:41	jhickner	sure, the hardest part so far was making an externs file
19:41	eggsby	Is anyone itc familiar with using redis with clojure?
19:41	aperiodic	eggsby: yeah; we use our own fork of clj-redis at work (it has pipelining, woo)
19:42	eggsby	https://github.com/tavisrudd/redis-clojure this is what google returns, but I don't know that it's a full client... it doesn't even seem to have pubsub
19:42	aperiodic	jhickner: are you the jhickner on gh?
19:42	ibdknox	eggsby: there's a new one that abedra is working on, one sec
19:43	ibdknox	eggsby: https://github.com/abedra/accession
19:43	technomancy	I think clj-redis has pubsub
19:43	eggsby	thank ibdknox
19:43	aperiodic	clj-redis does have pubsub
19:43	Frozenlock	Is there a way to automatically add functions name in Emacs syntax highlighting?
19:43	aperiodic	well, pub, for sure, can't vouch for sub
19:44	eggsby	We're working on a project at work that I think redis would be an extremely elegant solution for (right now we're doing intense polling across several systems) but it's kind of hard to argue in favor for it when I can't even show a good client :p
19:44	jhickner	yeah jhickner on gh
19:44	ibdknox	eggsby: that should be a good one
19:44	technomancy	eggsby: oh man you're in luck; there are like a bazillion redis clients; that's even better, right?
19:44	eggsby	anyhow thank you ibdknox/technomancy/aperiodic, I'll look into redis-clj and accession
19:44	eggsby	haha technomancy :(
19:44	ibdknox	eggsby: just look who contributes :)
19:45	aperiodic	accession looks like it's actively developed, though; i'd go with that, unless you need multi/exec
19:45	eggsby	a commit by fogus :o
19:46	eggsby	accession looks nice
19:46	eggsby	will have to dig into it
19:54	ideally_world	what's the right way to add a key-value pair to a map reference? I'm trying (dosync (alter my-ref assoc :key :value)) and getting a "clojure.lang.Keyword cannot be cast to clojure.lang.Associative" :/
19:55	ideally_world	no idea what the means
19:55	technomancy	it means your ref doesn't contain a map
19:55	ideally_world	(ref {}) ??!
19:56	technomancy	you must have changed it somewhere else
19:56	ideally_world	I did
19:56	ideally_world	just checked it
19:56	ideally_world	dynamic typing for the bitting in the arse :)
20:00	simard	say I have a list (of symbols) ('KEY_0 'KEY_1 ...) that would actually be members of some class (org.lwjgl.input.Keyboard). Is there a special form to convert that list to a list of member access like this: (org.lwjgl.input.Keyboard/KEY_0 org.lwjgl.input.Keyboard/KEY_1 ...) ?
20:13	simard	org.lwjgl.input.Keyboard/KEY_0 is 11, (resolve (symbol (str "org.lwjgl.input.Keyboard/" "KEY_0"))) is nil, why ?
20:14	amalloy	because that's not a var
20:14	amalloy	and resolve looks up vars
20:14	simard	is there a way to do "what I want" then ?
20:15	amalloy	reflection
20:16	amalloy	$javadoc Class getFields
20:16	lazybot	http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/Class.html#getFields()
20:16	simard	aw. emacs macro it will be.
20:38	muhoo	i am totally baffled by #'
20:41	muhoo	hmm ##(let [foo "bar"] (class #'foo))
20:41	lazybot	java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve var: foo in this context
20:42	muhoo	&(let [foo "bar"] (class foo))
20:42	lazybot	⇒ java.lang.String
20:42	muhoo	&(let [foo "bar"] (class #'foo))
20:42	lazybot	java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve var: foo in this context
20:42	ibdknox	,(doc var)
20:42	muhoo	well on mine it says clojure.lang.Var, so i guess that's what it is
20:42	clojurebot	Excuse me?
20:42	Raynes	A name created by let is not a var.
20:42	muhoo	ah
20:43	muhoo	well, my repl says it is :-)
20:43	Raynes	Your repl is incorrect.
20:43	amalloy	muhoo: you have a global def named foo
20:43	Raynes	Indeed.
20:43	muhoo	ah
20:43	ataggart	Anyone know of a straight-forward way to have a defrecord class so that it's available to java code?
20:43	muhoo	right
20:47	muhoo	oic, it looks like it's a reference basically.
21:03	simard	how would I create a new map by exchanging keys and values of a map ? (assume the map is bijective)
21:04	simard	I have this.. (apply hash-map (flatten (map list (vals keymap) (keys keymap))))
21:04	muhoo	in server.clj in noir, why this "force runtime resolution of jetty"?
21:05	muhoo	why is it necessary to force it? it's required above that, and why wouldn't calling it with ring.adapter.jetty/run-jetty work?
21:05	ibdknox	muhoo: so that it can be excluded
21:06	ibdknox	muhoo: some people don't want to bring down the jetty dependency
21:07	muhoo	oh, for the compiler not to puke on it, got it, thanks
21:07	muhoo	if the compiler ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.
21:08	muhoo	thanks. noir is awesome, btw.
21:11	ibdknox	:)
21:12	gfredericks	simard: (zipmap (vals keymap) (keys keymap))
21:13	gfredericks	((comp (partial apply zipmap) (juxt vals keys)) keymap) also of course
21:14	simard	zipmap.. I had been looking at zip/ instead :S
21:14	simard	thank you
21:16	Frozenlock	Is wrap-multipart-params required to upload a file using Noir?
21:17	Frozenlock	I'm using this as the sending page:
21:17	Frozenlock	(defpage "/file" []
21:17	Frozenlock	(common/site-layout
21:17	Frozenlock	(form-to [:post "/file"]
21:17	Frozenlock	(file-upload "file")
21:17	Frozenlock	(submit-button "Send file"))))
21:17	Frozenlock
21:17	Frozenlock	But I'm a little confused by how my POST page is supposed to be...
21:22	ibdknox	Frozenlock: it'll be just like all your other posts :)
21:23	ibdknox	there will just be a key with the file information in it
21:23	ibdknox	in the params
21:24	Frozenlock	I have this so far:
21:24	Frozenlock	(defpage [:post "/file"] {file :file}
21:24	Frozenlock	(let [filename (upload-file file)]
21:24	Frozenlock	(common/site-layout
21:24	Frozenlock	[:p (str "File " filename" added!")])))
21:24	ibdknox	Frozenlock: you should use gists instead of pasting in here :)
21:25	johnkpaul	is there more to getting leinigen to use clojure 1.3.0 instead of 1.2.1 than just changing the dpendency in project.clj?
21:25	ibdknox	Frozenlock: that looks fine
21:25	ibdknox	Frozenlock: I don't know what upload-file does
21:25	johnkpaul	I keep getting an error with lein-cljsbuild that is supposed to be solved by using clojure 1.3.0
21:25	Frozenlock	Oh? So it's my upload-file function the problem...
21:25	johnkpaul	but the project.clj file has :dependencies [[org.clojure/clojure "1.3.0"]
21:26	ibdknox	Frozenlock: well a simple test would be to do {:as params} and (println params)
21:26	ibdknox	Frozenlock: ah
21:26	ibdknox	Frozenlock: nm, you didn't set the enc type on your form
21:26	Frozenlock	:enctype "multipart/form-data" ?
21:26	ibdknox	Frozenlock: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1695246/why-file-upload-didnt-work-without-enctype
21:26	ibdknox	yep
21:27	ibdknox	(form-to {:enctype ...} [:post "/file"] ...)
21:27	Frozenlock	Yeah I had it in my old compojure model, but didn't know how to add it in the new form-to.
21:27	Frozenlock	Oh!
21:27	Frozenlock	Thanks!
21:28	ibdknox	all hiccup functions can take a map of attributes as the first args :)
21:28	Frozenlock	It makes sense... I was finding them quite limiting :P
21:31	Frozenlock	ibdknox: Worked!
21:31	Frozenlock	Thank you very much for this (and noir) :D
21:31	ibdknox	np
21:39	amalloy	simard: (into {} (for [[k v] m] [v k]))
21:45	gfredericks	amalloy: mine's shorter and syntactically simpler
21:46	simard	but is amalloy's one more efficient ?
21:46	simard	or are they equivalent ?
21:46	gfredericks	I can't imagine why but it will probably turn out to be so just because I'm being arrogant
21:46	amalloy	syntactically simpler?
21:46	gfredericks	amalloy: nodes in parse tree
21:47	amalloy	i guess so
21:47	gfredericks	or (comp length flatten)
21:47	gfredericks	which I guess is the same thing
21:47	amalloy	i'm sure gfredericks's is faster, but who on earth would worry about that
21:48	amalloy	i prefer the for version because it's trivial to adapt for "oh and i need to make some changes to the keys or values too", whereas the zipmap only really works for specifically this case
21:48	gfredericks	well one could conceivable be assymptotically faster, which is worth worrying about; but obviously not the case here
22:04	amalloy	assymptotically? this sounds like the symptoms of some ass disease
22:06	gfredericks	we'd better hope it is
22:15	johnkpaul	I am experiencing this issue in lein-cljsbuild - https://github.com/emezeske/lein-cljsbuild/issues/53
22:16	johnkpaul	it explains that the issue is with having the incorrect version of clojurescript
22:16	johnkpaul	but I'm confused about how that should be resolved in the project.clj file
22:17	johnkpaul	sorry, clojure* not clojurescript
22:20	oakwise	johnkpaul: what does your :dependencies in project.clj look like?
22:20	johnkpaul	oakwise: http://pastebin.com/aCwptEX7
22:20	johnkpaul	portion that I think is relevant...
22:20	johnkpaul	:dependencies [[org.clojure/clojure "1.3.0"]
22:21	oakwise	do you get the error for every task or just certain ones?
22:21	oakwise	what about just `lein cljsbuild` with no subtask?
22:22	johnkpaul	hm, so that just gives me a list of subtasks
22:22	johnkpaul	but what I was trying to run was lein ring server-headless 3000
22:23	oakwise	johnkpaul: sounds like it's a lein-ring issue then, no?
22:24	johnkpaul	hm, potentially, to be honest, I don't really know
22:24	oakwise	and it looks like lein-ring 0.5.4 uses 1.2.1: https://github.com/weavejester/lein-ring/blob/0.5.4/project.clj
22:24	johnkpaul	oh
22:25	weavejester	That doesn't matter too much. Lein-ring is compatible with 1.2 and 1.3
22:25	johnkpaul	can you have a project split between two versions?
22:25	johnkpaul	oh ok
22:25	johnkpaul	so the reason that I think that it's cljsbuild is because that's what I'm trying to setup now
22:25	weavejester	But you should be using lein-ring 0.6 or above with Lein 1.7+
22:25	johnkpaul	I'm attempting to run their example project
22:25	johnkpaul	oh, let me try that
22:25	weavejester	If you can use :plugins you shouldn't be using :dev-dependencies
22:26	weavejester	Try adding in a :plugin for [lein-ring "0.6.2"]
22:26	johnkpaul	ok
22:27	johnkpaul	:/ same error
22:27	johnkpaul	after downloading ne wclojars
22:27	johnkpaul	new clojars*
22:29	oakwise	can you paste the full traceback somewhere? or is it exactly the same as that cljsbuild one that you linked?
22:29	weavejester	What's the error?
22:29	johnkpaul	Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Wrong number of args (3) passed to: cljsbuild$run-compiler (NO_SOURCE_FILE:0)
22:29	johnkpaul	oakwise: I'll paste it, it's exactly the same except for the line numbers
22:29	weavejester	Oh, that's a cljsbuild problem then
22:30	johnkpaul	http://pastebin.com/5KiTxPaE
22:31	johnkpaul	weavejester: yeah, probably. I am attempting to run the example lein-cljsbuild application
22:31	johnkpaul	but they have an issue about this..
22:31	johnkpaul	https://github.com/emezeske/lein-cljsbuild/issues/53
22:31	oakwise	hm that tracebook looks different
22:31	johnkpaul	that says "just use clojure 1.3.0"
22:32	johnkpaul	oh really?
22:32	johnkpaul	oh
22:32	johnkpaul	it is
22:32	johnkpaul	:/ that was not the case
22:33	johnkpaul	or maybe I wasn't paying enough attention, but I think it changed after I removed dev-dependncies
22:33	weavejester	I wonder if the lein-cljsbuild plugin is injecting the wrong version of cljsbuild
22:34	johnkpaul	hm, I don' tknow
22:35	oakwise	you deleted the project.clj?
22:35	weavejester	johnkpaul: Which version are you using?
22:35	johnkpaul	weavejester: of cljsbuild? I have the master branch of the git repo and project.clj says 0.1.4
22:35	johnkpaul	oakwise: you mean the original one? no, I dind't
22:36	johnkpaul	I just removed the dev dependencies line and added [lein-ring "0.6.2"] to the plugin lst
22:36	johnkpaul	list*
22:36	weavejester	johnkpaul: Try clearing the cljsbuild and lein-cljsbuild folders in ~/.m2/repository/
22:37	simard	can a clojure function return Void ? (I'm exporting static functions from a class generated with gen-class)
22:37	simard	ie.. not return the last form
22:37	johnkpaul	weavejester: ok, trying that now
22:38	johnkpaul	weavejester: same problem
22:38	weavejester	Hmm...
22:38	weavejester	try 0.1.3?
22:38	oakwise	weavejester: johnkpaul: looks like a legit bug with the compile hook
22:39	johnkpaul	oh really? are you able to reproduce this oakwise?
22:39	johnkpaul	weavejester: 0.1.3 causes the same error
22:40	oakwise	https://github.com/emezeske/lein-cljsbuild/commit/65a074facf98f235fe6305573a4b7d5f07420e18 changed the signature of run-compiler but didn't change the reference in compile-hook
22:41	oakwise	johnkpaul: 0.1.3 should work? try cleaning project/libs, ~/.m2, and project/.lein*?
22:42	johnkpaul	oh ok, trying now
22:43	solussd_	could anyone tell me how to get the base-url in a Noir website?
22:43	ibdknox	noir.request/ring-request
22:44	johnkpaul	hm, now iffernt error oakwise
22:44	johnkpaul	Exception in thread "main" java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.MapEntry cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IPersistentMap (NO_SOURCE_FILE:0)
22:44	oakwise	johnkpaul: I see the same issue. looking...
22:44	johnkpaul	anyway, I need to close my eyes, I've been trying to get this to work for too long
22:44	johnkpaul	thank you so much for your help oakwise and weavejester
22:44	johnkpaul	I'll be back
22:44	oakwise	johnkpaul: I'll file the bug or patch if I can track it down
22:44	johnkpaul	ok great, thank you again
22:45	solussd_	ibdknox: I'm building a restful webservice and I have a 'links' entity that contains an 'href' keyval that should reference the absolute path for the linked resource… can't use the ring-request at that point in the code
22:47	ibdknox	solussd_: not sure I understand
22:47	solussd_	guess that doesn't make sense, I either hard-code it, or I look in the request.
22:47	solussd_	nevermind, I'm being dumb. :)
22:47	ibdknox	haha :)
22:47	solussd_	love Noir, btw, thanks!
22:48	ibdknox	:)
22:55	muhoo	wow that's freaky. if i pass a function or a reference to a function, they seem equivalent
22:57	muhoo	like this: https://refheap.com/paste/1600
22:57	muhoo	y dat?
22:58	ibdknox	,#'str
22:58	clojurebot	#'clojure.core/str
22:58	ibdknox	,(#'str "foo")
22:58	clojurebot	"foo"
22:59	muhoo	right, bit if i pass a referecne to the STRING in, it doesn't work
22:59	muhoo	but if i pass a reference to a function that returns something, then it does
22:59	ibdknox	hm?
23:00	ibdknox	invoking a var invokes it as a function
23:00	Frozenlock	You are evaluating the function: (x)
23:00	ibdknox	strings aren't functions
23:00	ibdknox	,("woot")
23:00	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.String cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn>
23:00	muhoo	ok, so references work differently on functions than on other data types
23:00	muhoo	that's what surprised me
23:01	muhoo	vars, i should use the proper terms
23:01	ibdknox	they don't work differently, they're still being invoked like other things :) It's just that invoke for them means deref
23:01	ibdknox	and then invoke
23:01	ibdknox	,#'str
23:01	clojurebot	#'clojure.core/str
23:01	ibdknox	,@#'str
23:01	clojurebot	#<core$str clojure.core$str@1c6f8a9>
23:01	ibdknox	,(@#'str "foo")
23:01	clojurebot	"foo"
23:02	autodidakto	amalloy: wakeful have a githubs?
23:02	muhoo	that's a great example, thanks
23:02	ibdknox	autodidakto: https://github.com/flatland/wakeful
23:03	solussd_	ibdknox: how do you grab querystring args in a defpage?
23:03	ibdknox	solussd_: same as any args, they all go into the params thing
23:03	autodidakto	ibdknox: thanks :)
23:03	ibdknox	that you destructure
23:03	solussd_	ibdknox: excellent
23:06	autodidakto	ibdknox: I saw a recent blog post/example of a one page noir/client side cljs app, and they used slurp to get the html template...
23:07	autodidakto	I'll find the code... but my question is, What is the best practice for using .html files in your views?
23:07	ibdknox	autodidakto: depends, are they just static?
23:07	ibdknox	if they are, you shouldn't have jetty serve them at all, let nginx do its magic :)
23:08	ibdknox	but just for locally, slurping on startup is ok
23:08	autodidakto	ibdknox: no not static. as a layout or partial
23:08	ibdknox	\oh
23:08	ibdknox	huh?
23:08	ibdknox	for something like mustache?
23:09	ibdknox	I meant static as in are you modifying the html at all, or is it just getting slurped and sent over the wire?
23:09	autodidakto	ibdknox: I guess my question isn't well thought out. If I do everything in hiccup, it's not a prob...
23:09	ibdknox	yeah :)
23:09	autodidakto	but what if I have html files already ready to go, by a designer, or previously done...
23:09	ibdknox	you can actually use stencil to handle this too
23:10	autodidakto	in the blog post, they slurp and send it, then use cljs and your client side tools to modify the dom
23:10	ibdknox	right
23:10	ibdknox	that's reasonabl-ish
23:10	ibdknox	you would want to cache it first
23:11	ibdknox	though honestly, there's likely to be so little markup there I'm not sure why you wouldn't just do it with hiccup
23:11	ibdknox	but slurping it at load time and then serving it from there is fine
23:11	ibdknox	stencil will cache the asts and such that it generates, in that case the ast would be just a giant text node, but it would also accomplish the same thing
23:11	autodidakto	the code is here -> https://github.com/eakron/wishlistd ... still looking for the blog post where they talk about it. it was a 'learning noir' kind of post..
23:12	autodidakto	ibdknox: I haven't checked out stencil yet. I'll do that now
23:12	muhoo	so it seems like invoking a function is an implicit deref?
23:13	autodidakto	ah here we go -> http://variadic.me/posts/2012-03-29-building-wishlisted.html
23:13	muhoo	hmm, an implicit OPTIONAL deref. because it doesn't try to deref something if it isn't a var
23:13	ibdknox	muhoo: no, think of it in terms of polymorphism, vars have their own implementation of invoke
23:14	ibdknox	and that implementation says deref me and then call invoke on that
23:14	ibdknox	functions don't need to be deref'd
23:14	ibdknox	they're directly invokable
23:14	muhoo	ok, thanks, that makes more sense.
23:15	muhoo	all of this , for me to understand why (run-jetty #'greeting-handler ...) works
23:15	ibdknox	autodidakto: it's reasonable to do that, I would just do (def layout (slurp ...)) instead of (defn ..) because it's not going to change
23:15	autodidakto	in the post, they get hung up on the routes/views issue, but essentially, the site is one route that calls -> (slurp "resources/public/index.html")
23:15	ibdknox	autodidakto: mhm
23:15	ibdknox	autodidakto: I do something similar in my overtone controller example, though with hiccup
23:16	autodidakto	similar? as in slurp? or one page? or?
23:16	ibdknox	one page
23:17	autodidakto	And uses remotes? I'm trying to get my head around where everything fits in. that is, remotes, jaqy, client-side cljs, pinot, etc
23:18	ibdknox	autodidakto: http://www.chris-granger.com/2012/02/20/overtone-and-clojurescript/
23:18	autodidakto	i'll check it out
23:18	ibdknox	adding the middleware for fetch is now unnecessary
23:18	ibdknox	but the rest is accurate
23:19	Frozenlock	Is there pre-made functions to print to file?
23:20	ibdknox	,(doc spit)
23:20	clojurebot	"([f content & options]); Opposite of slurp. Opens f with writer, writes content, then closes f. Options passed to clojure.java.io/writer."
23:22	Frozenlock	Thanks :)
23:24	autodidakto	,(doc slurp)
23:24	clojurebot	"([f & opts]); Opens a reader on f and reads all its contents, returning a string. See clojure.java.io/reader for a complete list of supported arguments."
23:24	muhoo	i do love the clojure way of doing web dev stuff, it's very unix-y: lots of little libraries and programs stitched together flexibly.
23:24	autodidakto	I'm afraid to lookup the history behind those functional names
23:25	muhoo	it's got a steeper learning curve though
23:25	Frozenlock	autodidakto: I must admit I would have never found it with my 'save' 'print' 'export' searched. Spit and slurp is.. somehow unique :P
23:25	Frozenlock	*searches
23:26	autodidakto	muhoo: one way to look at the learning curve is that there is more to learn upfront. You can't get as far in 5 minutes by editting a generated files...
23:26	muhoo	Frozenlock: spit/slurp is funky, but it could be worse, could be ruby, and you'd be dealing with libraries with names like "texticle"
23:27	muhoo	autodidakto: oh, i'm very comfortable wiht this. been a linux guy for a long time
23:27	autodidakto	muhoo: lol, texticle, that's not a far analogy hehe
23:27	muhoo	so i'm fine with up-front investment to save pain later
23:28	autodidakto	muhoo: i agreed. in the end, you gotta learn everything to do nontrivial stuff... and this way you can build the system you want without making tough choices between monolithic frameworks
23:29	autodidakto	Frozenlock: my guess is that it's a long-standing lisp thing..
23:30	muhoo	no, i think spit/slurp is an rhickey-ism
23:30	muhoo	i don't remember seeing it in other lisps
23:30	Frozenlock	with-open is lipsy, but spit... ?
23:31	muhoo	i still think it should have been spit and swallow, but that'd have been too over-the-top
23:31	muhoo	as it is, it's kinda on the edge a bit.
23:31	Frozenlock	No, once you spitted, you must slurp. :P
23:33	Frozenlock	Now that I've saved a map into a file, how can I -read- it back? I've tried (read (slurp "test.txt")) but it throws an error. In addition, is there a safe way to read back data?
23:33	autodidakto	Frozenlock: a map? are you trying to serialize data to a file?
23:33	Frozenlock	Yes.
23:34	autodidakto	Frozenlock: I'm new to clojure, so I can't speak of best practices... but have you considered yaml?
23:35	autodidakto	https://github.com/lancepantz/clj-yaml
23:36	autodidakto	muhoo: the fundamental concept/question is, Where is the natural home or center of that which is slurped/spat... The stomach or the mouth?
23:36	tomoj	Raynes: is refheap.el really not usable?
23:36	Frozenlock	What would be the advantage over clojure's maps?
23:36	tomoj	I mean, who's the general public? :)
23:36	xeqi	Frozenlock: try read-string
23:37	autodidakto	Frozenlock: Serialization is putting your datastructures in a file to save them, and reading them back in later. Yaml lets you do that cleanly..
23:37	autodidakto	,(doc read-string)
23:37	clojurebot	"([s]); Reads one object from the string s"
23:37	amalloy	muhoo: paredit uses slurp/barf
23:37	autodidakto	If it's quick and dirty, you might not need it. up to you
23:37	amalloy	paredit-forward-slurp-sexp, etc
23:38	Frozenlock	xeqi: worked! thanks :)
23:38	autodidakto	amalloy: slurp -> outside world to your stomach. barf -> stomach to outside world. I like the symmetry
23:38	Frozenlock	autodidakto: So it would protect from arbitrary code hidden in a file?
23:38	amalloy	whutttt. slurp is clearly a mouth-ism. you slurp soup with your lips, not your esophogas
23:39	autodidakto	Frozenlock: right. The file itself is secondary, an implementation detail
23:39	amalloy	wow, that's a word that i just realized i can't spell at all. the vowels are all total guesses
23:39	autodidakto	amalloy: i think there's a u somewhere in there. English is consonant-centric anyway :)
23:40	Frozenlock	amalloy: M-$ --> esophagus
23:40	Frozenlock	I would be sooooo worse without Emacs :p
23:41	xeqi	Frozenlock: as far as doing it safely you might check out clojail
23:41	xeqi	not sure if it is applicable here though
23:41	amalloy	M-$? i rebound that one cause i never use whatever the default is. spell check, i guess?
23:42	Frozenlock	Yup!
23:43	Frozenlock	xeqi: I just tested read-string on a function and it didn't seem to evaluate it. Unless I use an eval on it, am I safe?
23:43	Frozenlock	clojail: A control freak's best friend. -- Love the description
23:43	autodidakto	Frozenlock: where are you files coming from?
23:43	autodidakto	,(doc sandbox)
23:43	clojurebot	Cool story bro.
23:44	autodidakto	&(doc sandbox)
23:44	lazybot	java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve var: sandbox in this context
23:44	Frozenlock	My own machine, but eventually it could come from anywhere.
23:44	xeqi	hmm, I would think so
23:44	xeqi	but this is out of my knowledge area
23:45	xeqi	&(read-string "{:x (#(+ 1 2))}")
23:45	lazybot	⇒ {:x ((fn* [] (+ 1 2)))}
23:45	autodidakto	My assumption is that if you're going to eval code from unknown sources, don't assume safety
23:46	Frozenlock	I don't eval, I simply read.
23:47	Frozenlock	Worse case scenario I suppose my functions could choke on malformed maps.
23:47	autodidakto	&(read-string "((fn [num] (str num)) 42)")
23:47	ibdknox	malformed maps will throw exceptions
23:47	lazybot	⇒ ((fn [num] (str num)) 42)
23:47	ibdknox	the only bad thing that can happen during reading is reader macros
23:47	ibdknox	which is easy enough to stop
23:47	Frozenlock	ibdknox: Yes, I should make sure I put some try/catch in there.
23:47	ibdknox	(binding [read-eval false] (read-string ...))
23:48	oakwise	johnkpaul-afk: someone posted the same issue here https://github.com/emezeske/lein-cljsbuild/issues/68 and I submitted a fix. Hopefully it gets merged soon.
23:48	xeqi	ohh, I forgot about those
23:48	Frozenlock	,readier-macro
23:48	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: readier-macro in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
23:48	xeqi	think lazybot stops them
23:48	Frozenlock	,reader-marcro
23:48	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: reader-marcro in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
23:48	Frozenlock	GOD
23:48	ibdknox	https://github.com/ibdknox/fetch/blob/master/src/noir/fetch/remotes.clj#L12
23:48	xeqi	&(read-string "{:x #=(+ 1 2)}")
23:48	lazybot	java.lang.RuntimeException: EvalReader not allowed when read-eval is false.
23:48	autodidakto	,(doc read-eval)
23:48	clojurebot	"; When set to logical false, the EvalReader (#=(...)) is disabled in the read/load in the thread-local binding. Example: (binding [read-eval false] (read-string \"#=(eval (def x 3))\")) Defaults to true"
23:49	Frozenlock	I can't write, I won't even try ....
23:51	autodidakto	&(eval 42)
23:51	lazybot	java.lang.SecurityException: You tripped the alarm! eval is bad!
23:52	autodidakto	&(eval (read-string "((fn [num] num) 42)"))
23:52	lazybot	java.lang.SecurityException: You tripped the alarm! eval is bad!
23:59	autodidakto	ibdknox: what do you think of the ClojureScript One project?