2013-06-12
| 00:00 | Raynes | It's a long drive, devn. |
| 00:00 | callen | devn: I'm in MV. |
| 00:00 | devn | Raynes: im looking forward to the drive |
| 00:00 | callen | I just did the Bay area <---> LA pipe. It's a long drive. |
| 00:00 | Raynes | It's true, callen is not an axe murderer. |
| 00:00 | Raynes | He has been in my apartment. |
| 00:00 | devn | i enjoy the drive south |
| 00:00 | callen | it's a boring drive. |
| 00:00 | devn | i disagree :) |
| 00:00 | SegFaultAX | callen: Is an axe murderer. I've seen his axe collection. |
| 00:00 | Raynes | futile: Dude, it's okay. |
| 00:00 | apricots | futile: that sounds really neat. didn't realize osx let you build your own window managers |
| 00:00 | devn | (-<> futile) |
| 00:00 | Raynes | Hugs all around. |
| 00:01 | devn | apricots: it doesn't lol |
| 00:01 | futile | apricots: it doesn't easily. |
| 00:01 | Raynes | devn: Well, cool. |
| 00:01 | Raynes | devn: Ever been to LA before? |
| 00:01 | futile | You have to enable Accessibility mode for it to work. |
| 00:01 | devn | Raynes: long time ago when i was a wee one |
| 00:01 | futile | apricots: which meant I couldn't put it in the App Store. |
| 00:01 | callen | SegFaultAX: actually, I should've shown you Katya. |
| 00:01 | Raynes | devn: Ever seen the third street promenade and/or Santa Monica pier? |
| 00:01 | SegFaultAX | Isn't there a spaces or places or whatever app that does window partitioning for OSX? |
| 00:01 | callen | SegFaultAX: I feel like you and Katya would get along. |
| 00:01 | devn | ive been to santa monica and carmel |
| 00:02 | devn | but im not sure about the promenade |
| 00:02 | Raynes | devn: You should come down on a weekend and I can give you the Santa Monica tour grown-up style. |
| 00:02 | devn | like i said it's been a long time, so i'm looking forward to looking around |
| 00:02 | Raynes | And a tour of the Geni office on the promenade, of course. |
| 00:02 | devn | i wanna go to the damned aquarium again |
| 00:02 | SegFaultAX | Oh wait, is that was we're talking about? |
| 00:02 | callen | SegFaultAX: there's a third party thingamajig for OS X I used to use to split windows. It worked okay. |
| 00:02 | devn | in carmel |
| 00:02 | callen | I forget the name of it though. |
| 00:03 | devn | callen: there are a dozen o fthem |
| 00:03 | devn | of them* |
| 00:03 | callen | devn: I've used most, I had one in particular I liked. |
| 00:03 | Raynes | devn: I don't have a car though, so if you want to hang out you'll have to make like callen and drive me around too. :p |
| 00:03 | callen | it worked well for multi-monitor. |
| 00:03 | devn | Raynes: im renting one and driving around |
| 00:03 | devn | so of course, free rides! |
| 00:03 | futile | Aww, someone PMed me an hour ago, but thanks to rcirc I had no idea and now he's offline. |
| 00:03 | SegFaultAX | Raynes: Santa Monica is fun. |
| 00:04 | Raynes | SegFaultAX: I work there. :D |
| 00:04 | callen | SegFaultAX: I liked it when I visited. |
| 00:04 | Raynes | <3 Santa Monica. |
| 00:04 | SegFaultAX | Raynes: I dated a girl whose family lived in Hawthorn so we partied all over that area. |
| 00:04 | devn | i gotta run, but Raynes and callen -- i'll bug you guys closer to my arrival. let's write some codes and hang out. |
| 00:04 | devn | cheers all |
| 00:04 | SegFaultAX | (Btw, Hawthorn is the fucking ghetto) |
| 00:04 | Raynes | devn: Cheers |
| 00:04 | futile | Cya devn |
| 00:04 | SegFaultAX | And she had friends who lived in fucking Compton and Inglewood or however it's spelled. |
| 00:04 | callen | devn: definitely! |
| 00:05 | SegFaultAX | devn: See ya! |
| 00:06 | SegFaultAX | Err, 300 |
| 00:06 | Raynes | SegFaultAX: I told him and he said he was looking forward to the drive. |
| 00:06 | SegFaultAX | Raynes: That's quite a commute to hack. :) |
| 00:07 | futile | ugh. i hate irc. i was so much happier when nobody knew i was crazy |
| 00:12 | wei_ | is a monad the right tool for a series of side effects where each task could fail? or is there a more clojure-y way to handle this |
| 00:12 | seancorfield | back... |
| 00:12 | callen | wei_: a monad is a way to possibly accomplish what you described. |
| 00:12 | seancorfield | SF->LA is a nice "zen" drive... I like I-5... very relaxing! |
| 00:13 | callen | seancorfield: I actually recited zen koans and listened to podcasts when I was driving to and fro. |
| 00:13 | seancorfield | My wife lived in Santa Monica when she was at Pepperdine and most weekends she drove back up to the Bay Area to hang with friends because she hated LA so much :) |
| 00:13 | SegFaultAX | seancorfield: You're like the only person ever who likes I-5. Woohoo 280 miles of orchards and cows! |
| 00:13 | callen | seancorfield: that's some impressive hatred for LA. |
| 00:13 | seancorfield | I've driven nearly all 1,500 miles of it |
| 00:14 | SegFaultAX | seancorfield: You too!? :) |
| 00:14 | seancorfield | we do LA for the weekend pretty often for cat shows |
| 00:14 | callen | seancorfield: is cat show a euphemism for strip club? |
| 00:14 | seancorfield | we used to drive up to Portland for cat shows too but we haven't been up there for years |
| 00:14 | Raynes | I don't get all the LA hate. |
| 00:15 | Raynes | Especially if you live in Santa Monica. |
| 00:15 | seancorfield | no, my wife is a cat show judge... |
| 00:15 | Raynes | I guess if you like crackheads a whole lot or something. |
| 00:15 | Raynes | SF ftw. |
| 00:15 | SegFaultAX | Raynes: You've only been there a short while probably. |
| 00:15 | callen | SegFaultAX: yeap. |
| 00:15 | SegFaultAX | It's still fresh. |
| 00:15 | Raynes | Eh |
| 00:15 | wei_ | callen: thanks. checking out algo.monads now |
| 00:15 | callen | seancorfield: I love cats. |
| 00:15 | Raynes | I can't have an opinion on LA until I've lived here how long then, SegFaultAX? |
| 00:15 | callen | wei_: there's other stuff worth poking around in for monads, like core.async. |
| 00:16 | pmonks | Raynes: until you get pulmonary edema from the smog. |
| 00:16 | pmonks | Should only take a couple of weeks. |
| 00:16 | seancorfield | callen: we used to breed Bengals... we still show some... mostly we go to cat shows b/c Jay is judging... which got us to Australia, England, Malta and Russia last year |
| 00:16 | Raynes | Have any of you ever lived in Alabama? |
| 00:16 | SegFaultAX | Raynes: Until you hate it, naturally. :) |
| 00:16 | callen | seancorfield: now I want a kitty in my lap :( |
| 00:16 | seancorfield | Some ppl love LA, some ppl hate it. I haven't found many without an opinion... |
| 00:16 | SegFaultAX | Raynes: No true scottsman etc. |
| 00:16 | Raynes | You can have an opinion on Los Angeles once you've lived there 10 years. |
| 00:16 | callen | Raynes: the more I live in cities, the more I'm trapped in them yet hate them. |
| 00:17 | seancorfield | callen: http://bangles.com - our cattery site but it's very out of date (since we stopped breeding) |
| 00:17 | wei_ | my use case is transferring money. make a db entry, wire the money, notify recipients. if any piece fails, i need to abort |
| 00:17 | SegFaultAX | wei_: Well in that case you're looking for transactionality. |
| 00:17 | callen | wei_: nil = failure + maybe monad == happy funtimes. |
| 00:17 | callen | wei_: but yeah, you need rollbacks bro. |
| 00:18 | SegFaultAX | wei_: And you probably don't want the maybe monad in that case. |
| 00:18 | seancorfield | wei_: you should read http://www.eaipatterns.com/docs/IEEE_Software_Design_2PC.pdf |
| 00:18 | callen | seancorfield: easy there killer, don't scare him. |
| 00:18 | SegFaultAX | I don't know if there is something like Either already implemented, but you almost certainly want that. |
| 00:18 | seancorfield | Your Coffee Shop Does Not Use Two-Phase Commit |
| 00:19 | callen | wei_: wait a second, what exactly is this? |
| 00:19 | callen | wei_: is this for bitcoin? |
| 00:19 | SegFaultAX | seancorfield: That's an excellent article. |
| 00:19 | wei_ | callen: yes! |
| 00:19 | seancorfield | classic piece about why transactions don't scale to real world scenarios ;) |
| 00:19 | SegFaultAX | seancorfield: Informative and entertaining. |
| 00:19 | SegFaultAX | wei_: You've been working on this for a while now I think, right? |
| 00:20 | seancorfield | ok, I need to go watch TV with my wife and drink wine... I'll be back on my Win8 tablet shortly... (be afwaid, be wery wery afwaid) |
| 00:20 | wei_ | SegFaultAX: bitcoin-related stuff yes, but new project |
| 00:21 | pmonks | Banks use an interesting alternative for 2PC that might be worth looking into. |
| 00:21 | SegFaultAX | wei_: So here's the rub. Merely having monads doesn't imply anything about distributed transactions (which is what you're really looking for) |
| 00:21 | SegFaultAX | wei_: Monads are more like plumbing in that sense. You'll still have quite a lot of other synchronization work ahead of you. |
| 00:21 | pmonks | Basically each step in the process returns a "rollback callback" that can be called for to rollback the txn. |
| 00:22 | tomjack | Either is implemented via zero code, right? |
| 00:22 | pmonks | So if step N fails, you can call the rollback callbacks for steps 0..N-1 |
| 00:22 | tomjack | and is broken in a similar way to the Maybe we didn't implement |
| 00:22 | SegFaultAX | pmonks: You mean N-1..0 |
| 00:23 | callen | wei_: well okay so first thing |
| 00:23 | SegFaultAX | pmonks: You want to unwind the transaction. |
| 00:23 | callen | wei_: if you're not an expert at security and you actually plan to handle other peoples' money (bitcoin), you're fucked |
| 00:23 | pmonks | Yeah - it's basically just a way to generalise compensating transactions. |
| 00:23 | callen | wei_: you will get hacked, you will lose their money, and it will be your fault. |
| 00:23 | callen | wei_: but if this is just a learning project, god bless. |
| 00:23 | wei_ | well, for the actual transactions I'm using an API |
| 00:23 | pmonks | Order shouldn't matter (the assumption being that the callbacks can't fail) |
| 00:24 | callen | wei_: then why do you need to...implement... |
| 00:24 | pmonks | It's basically 2PC but without all the standards rigmarole. |
| 00:24 | pmonks | (and your code is the txn mgr - there's not some 3rd party software doing that) |
| 00:25 | SegFaultAX | wei_: Doesn't matter, you still need to manage the distributed transactions so you can stay in sync with whomever actually /is/ processing the transactions. |
| 00:25 | wei_ | SegFaultAX: yes, that's true |
| 00:27 | SegFaultAX | wei_: Read that article on 2 phase commit. It's a gem. |
| 00:27 | SegFaultAX | Honest. |
| 00:27 | wei_ | thanks |
| 00:28 | SegFaultAX | wei_: (It isn't sufficient to get you started, but it will at least give you a groundwork in how others have tried and failed to do what you're about to attempt) |
| 00:28 | SeanCorfield | win8 tablet in the house :) |
| 00:33 | callen | SeanCorfield: I don't know how you can type on those things. |
| 00:34 | SeanCorfield | Pretty well really. It's a Dell XPS 12 |
| 00:34 | callen | so it's a laptop? |
| 00:34 | SeanCorfield | A convertible |
| 00:34 | SeanCorfield | Using it in tablet mode right now |
| 00:36 | SeanCorfield | wei_: are you the guy from the Bay Area meetup that showed off the Bitcoin scratch game? |
| 00:37 | wei_ | yes that's me |
| 00:38 | SeanCorfield | Cool. That was a great demo! |
| 00:39 | wei_ | thanks! so far my projects have all been learning projects. no sum of money I can't afford to lose :) but appreciate you guys' help with doing things correctly. |
| 00:40 | SeanCorfield | Did you go to the last meetup? With Tom Faulhaber... I couldn't make it but it looked like it was very well attended and well received... |
| 00:45 | wei_ | couldn't make it to the last one unfortunately |
| 00:46 | SeanCorfield | No meetup in July in SF. Although San Mateo and the dojo in SF will happen. |
| 00:46 | futile | How do you test a testing lib... |
| 00:46 | futile | This is confusing |
| 00:47 | SeanCorfield | We'll be back in SF for Amit Rathore and Domain Driven Design |
| 00:47 | SeanCorfield | wb futile :) |
| 00:47 | futile | Hi. |
| 00:47 | futile | I've had bad luck in the past testing my lib using itself. |
| 00:47 | futile | Makes things really confusing. |
| 00:47 | futile | But testing individual components is also hard. |
| 00:48 | futile | And testing the whole thing at once is just crazy. |
| 00:48 | futile | What would you guys do? |
| 00:49 | SeanCorfield | I'd be tempted to create three parallel test suites, one with clojure.test, one with Expectations, and one with Midje |
| 00:49 | SeanCorfield | That will give you really good insight into each framework as well as highlighting weaknesses |
| 00:50 | futile | Hmm. I like that idea a lot. |
| 00:51 | futile | Actually that complicates the test base too much. |
| 00:52 | futile | Because some of the tests will actually be written in Expectations-like and Midje-like styles. |
| 00:52 | futile | So it'll be hard for this test lib and those ones to tell the tests apart. |
| 00:52 | futile | For clojure.test I got around it by using test-hook-fn, which I just haven't implemented yet so there's no ambiguity over which lib it's for. |
| 00:52 | futile | This is so tricky. |
| 00:53 | futile | It's like performing surgery on an armed robber underwater while he's working out. |
| 00:53 | SeanCorfield | That's precisely why it's a good idea |
| 00:53 | SeanCorfield | tricky, not surgery |
| 00:55 | SeanCorfield | if you can't write the test suite in each of the three styles, that's a lack of feeling for what you're trying to create a bedrock for... |
| 00:55 | SeanCorfield | we have clojure.test suites for webdriver, and expectations suites for other stuff |
| 00:56 | SeanCorfield | one of my team is doing the brian marick workshop at lambda jam so i expect us to consider midje as well going forward |
| 00:56 | futile | It's just that I'm not a smart guy, so I get confused easily, and keeping things simple and easily understandable has always been my solution to that. |
| 00:56 | SeanCorfield | so stretch yourself |
| 00:56 | futile | And this plan isn't simple enough for my brain to wrap around. |
| 00:56 | SeanCorfield | seriously, this is a great opportunity to grow |
| 00:57 | futile | This is one of those places I think tricky techniques should be avoided for everyone's sake. |
| 00:57 | futile | Not just mine. |
| 00:57 | SeanCorfield | focusing on testability in all three styles will really help you keep things simple and well-designed |
| 01:01 | futile | Oops. |
| 01:01 | futile | Just realized I hard-coded asserters needing to be macros into the spec. |
| 01:01 | futile | So they can give the reporter more info for failures. |
| 01:07 | futile | These can't be combined into the function's argslist, can it? https://github.com/evanescence/test2/blob/master/src/test2/run.clj#L39-L40 |
| 01:12 | ddellacosta | &((fn [{dog :dog cat :cat}] (println (str "DOG: " dog ", CAT: " cat))) {:dog "DOG!" :cat "CAT!"}) |
| 01:12 | lazybot | ⇒ DOG: DOG!, CAT: CAT! nil |
| 01:12 | ddellacosta | futile: does the above help? |
| 01:13 | Raynes | DOG! DOG! CAT! CAT! MEOW! WOOF! OMFG |
| 01:13 | ddellacosta | ha, for some reason I always end up with animals in my example code |
| 01:13 | Raynes | I like to use famous serial killers. |
| 01:13 | ddellacosta | I guess it's not that unusual though. |
| 01:14 | ddellacosta | http://blog.fogus.me/2013/06/04/fun-js-bilby/ |
| 01:14 | ddellacosta | Serial killers! You are sick sir, sick. |
| 01:14 | ddellacosta | but, that is funny. |
| 01:14 | Raynes | &((fn [{toole :toole dahmer :dahmer}] (println (str "TOOLE: " toole ", DAHMER: " dahmer))) {:dog "TOOLE!" :cat "DAHMER!"}) |
| 01:14 | lazybot | ⇒ TOOLE: , DAHMER: nil |
| 01:15 | ddellacosta | hahaha |
| 01:15 | ddellacosta | nice |
| 01:16 | ddellacosta | guess you need to map your serial killers not to animals |
| 01:16 | ddellacosta | that makes sense in some alternate universe |
| 02:54 | tomjack | &(let [x 3 y 42] (cond-> x (even? x) inc :else (do y))) ; hmm |
| 02:54 | lazybot | java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: cond-> in this context |
| 02:54 | tomjack | lazybot: :P |
| 02:56 | tomjack | ,(cond-> 3 false :else when) |
| 02:56 | clojurebot | #<AssertionError java.lang.AssertionError: Assert failed: (even? (count clauses))> |
| 02:56 | tomjack | ,(cond-> 3 false inc :else when) |
| 02:56 | clojurebot | nil |
| 03:02 | tomjack | https://www.refheap.com/f6d7758b7af3be352b7ad5b0c |
| 03:31 | amalloy | tomjack: i don't think that does what you intend |
| 03:32 | amalloy | since cond-> doesn't "stop" at the first truthy test, you are just unconditionally returning (/ (inc y) 10), ignoring the value of x |
| 03:33 | tomjack | oh, duh :( |
| 03:33 | tomjack | thanks |
| 03:33 | tomjack | that would have bit me later |
| 03:33 | amalloy | personally i don't like cond-> very much |
| 03:34 | amalloy | if it stopped at the first truthy test, it would be easy to write a macro over it that does what cond-> *actually* does; given the current definition of cond-> there's not really any way to get it to stop at the first truthy test |
| 03:34 | amalloy | on top of that, the name strongly implies that it will act like a cond |
| 03:35 | tomjack | I remember arguing that threadiness implied that it won't act like cond |
| 03:35 | tomjack | :( |
| 03:36 | tomjack | I think I delete more cond->'s than I keep |
| 03:37 | amalloy | tomjack: have you looked at the cond->-like stuff in useful? it's been there for years, and is more flexible than cond-> (although, admittedly, not as pretty) |
| 03:37 | tomjack | nope, will do |
| 03:38 | tomjack | I saw some text like "the algebra of arrow macros" somewhere |
| 03:38 | tomjack | but it was a teaser like "feel free to ask me about that" |
| 03:38 | amalloy | eg, (fix x even? inc (fn [_] (-> y inc (/ 10)))) |
| 03:38 | tomjack | fix? |
| 03:38 | amalloy | in useful |
| 03:38 | tomjack | I mean, what is the connotation? |
| 03:38 | tomjack | repair? |
| 03:38 | amalloy | yeah |
| 03:39 | amalloy | "this function wants integers, but sometimes some dope passes a string; fix that with read-string" |
| 03:39 | noprompt | amalloy: said who? |
| 03:40 | amalloy | me, just now. scroll up about thirty seconds for the genuine original source |
| 03:40 | noprompt | hehe, just logged in actually. |
| 03:41 | noprompt | but it's a good coincidence i guess because i was acutally hoping you or Raynes would be on. |
| 03:41 | amalloy | $whatis logs |
| 03:41 | lazybot | logs is is http://logs.lazybot.org/irc.freenode.net/%23clojure |
| 03:41 | noprompt | ah, nice. |
| 03:42 | amalloy | though it sounds like you don't actually need the logs |
| 03:42 | noprompt | not really but, it's good to know. |
| 03:42 | noprompt | :) |
| 03:43 | noprompt | so that fs code with the macro technique you showed me to conditionally load the java 7 fns. |
| 03:43 | tomjack | I think I have looked at useful.fn before |
| 03:43 | tomjack | but forgot it. interesting |
| 03:43 | amalloy | tomjack: not much new stuff has gone into useful.fn in a while, but useful.seq has some new gems |
| 03:45 | tomjack | rate-limited seems so much simpler than rate-gate |
| 03:45 | tomjack | I wonder why rate-gate is the way it is |
| 03:45 | noprompt | amalloy: it's a neat technique, but it feels, eh hackish. i'm wondering if fs could deprecate java 6 in 2.0.0? |
| 03:46 | noprompt | or, well, just what thoughts, if any, you might have regarding that. |
| 03:46 | amalloy | ask Raynes. i have no horse in that race |
| 03:46 | amalloy | tomjack: rate-gate? |
| 03:46 | noprompt | amalloy: sure thing, thought i'd ask. :) |
| 03:46 | Raynes | I've said on multiple occasions that I don't really care about 1.6 support. |
| 03:47 | tomjack | https://github.com/jkk/rate-gate/blob/master/src/rate_gate/core.clj |
| 03:47 | Raynes | amalloy is the one who brought it up, and you thought it was important enough to fix it. |
| 03:47 | Raynes | :p |
| 03:47 | noprompt | Raynes: fixed my tab completion. :) |
| 03:48 | Raynes | Nice. |
| 03:49 | amalloy | tomjack: rate-gate looks like it's queueing up too-fast requests, rather than discarding them like rate-limit |
| 03:49 | tomjack | I don't understand the look in the thread yet |
| 03:49 | tomjack | loop |
| 03:50 | amalloy | and also allowing stuff like "five times per minute" |
| 03:50 | amalloy | whereas rate-limit just says "if it's been less than X amount of time since your last call, i won't handle it" |
| 03:50 | noprompt | Raynes: i'm still interested in that directory walk problem with the "billions" of files, just haven't had a chance to really get in to it yet. |
| 03:51 | Raynes | noprompt: That can be the 2.0.0 where we remove 1.6 support. ;) |
| 03:51 | tomjack | oh you have to understand RateGate too :( |
| 03:51 | tomjack | amalloy: I see |
| 03:51 | noprompt | Raynes: that's what i was thinking. |
| 03:52 | tomjack | and, ah, it's not a concurrent queue, so it can peek and then poll, I get it |
| 03:53 | noprompt | Raynes: anyhow, i _finally_ pushed the rest of that patch. |
| 03:53 | Raynes | noprompt: I'll merge it tomorrow. Currently watching a depressing documentary about Skid Row. |
| 03:54 | noprompt | Raynes: indeed. i can't remember seeing a documentary that wasn't depressing somehow. |
| 03:55 | noprompt | amalloy: you have a horse? |
| 03:55 | noprompt | :P |
| 03:55 | callen | Raynes: SF? |
| 03:55 | Raynes | callen: Downtown LA. |
| 03:55 | amalloy | look again, now i'm in a boat? |
| 03:56 | Raynes | amalloy: Don't you wish your man was like m? |
| 03:56 | Raynes | me* |
| 03:56 | noprompt | callen: been reading "Language, Logic and Truth" by A.J. Ayers. |
| 03:57 | Raynes | callen: The particular documentary is Lost Angeles. |
| 03:59 | noprompt | callen: so far it's been a good read and worth the time. |
| 04:01 | noprompt | callen: the book is definitely restoring my interested in reading philosophy again. |
| 04:01 | noprompt | ugh, i'm not even gonna bother trying to correct my typing. ykwim. |
| 04:12 | callen | noprompt: :) |
| 04:12 | callen | noprompt: now I just need to turn you on to some Foucault and Zen Buddhism. |
| 04:13 | tomjack | LEIN_BREAK_CONVENTION= lein new _CARET__LBRACE__COLON___RBRACE_ |
| 04:13 | callen | tomjack: wut |
| 04:13 | noprompt | callen: i stumbled upon Ayers while reading up on NLP oddly enough. |
| 04:15 | callen | noprompt: I'm not really an adherent of his particular brand of logical positivism, but it's cool stuff. |
| 04:15 | noprompt | callen: but the first chapter of the book is a scathing critique of metaphysics which i ab-so-lutely love. |
| 04:15 | callen | noprompt: my fav in that realm is probably Popper. |
| 04:15 | callen | noprompt: yeah Ayers was pretty clear-headed about subjects like that. |
| 04:15 | noprompt | callen: yeah, i haven't gotten to the parts where he talks about positivism yet, but he has made some mention of it. |
| 04:16 | noprompt | what i love is how he points out that entertaing a discussion on dualism/monism is nonsensical. |
| 04:17 | mthvedt | the wikipedia page on monism has 'monad' in the see also section |
| 04:17 | noprompt | nice. |
| 04:18 | mthvedt | reality is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors, what's the problem? |
| 04:18 | noprompt | *for example. |
| 04:19 | noprompt | anyway, good stuff, totally loving it. well worth the $7 i paid for the book. |
| 04:19 | noprompt | dover books generally don't dissapoint. |
| 04:19 | noprompt | although i do have a few dry ones that i just couldn't, for the life of me, get through. |
| 04:20 | noprompt | greek mathematical thought being one. |
| 04:37 | samrat | has anyone here used clodiuno? |
| 04:41 | tomjack | mthvedt: thanks, I had never heard that |
| 04:49 | ro_st | yogthos: are you aware of a ring util fn that gives you a full url suitable for storing as a redirect-after-foo uri? |
| 04:49 | ro_st | ie, composes :uri and :query-string |
| 04:50 | ro_st | i'm busy refactoring our wrap-access-rules to work with 0.6.2 (much nicer api, thanks!) |
| 04:52 | ro_st | found it. ring.util.request/request-url |
| 04:57 | ro_st | ?! it's not in 1.1.8 |
| 04:59 | callen | ro_st: there isn't a chance in hell yogthos is awake right now. |
| 05:00 | callen | ro_st: ignore his away/back thing, I think his cat walks on his keyboard or something. |
| 05:00 | clgv | Does enlive support selectors like [:table.class1 :tr.class2]? I always get an empty selection with that one whereas the selection for [:table.class1] is not empty and has the desired <tr> tags with the specified class2. |
| 05:01 | ro_st | callen: tx :-) |
| 05:03 | ro_st | clgv: it totally does |
| 05:04 | clgv | ro_st: well why does it not work on a table like <table class="class1"><tr class="class2">...</tr></table>? |
| 05:05 | clgv | I checked that those <tr>s are there |
| 05:05 | ro_st | i'm not sure. i just know that it does work for me. we've just refactored part of our views system to use enlive in some places and we defo do this |
| 05:07 | clgv | I wanted to use it fro extrating information from a website but I already failed implementing that first selector for the table rows I am interested in |
| 05:07 | ro_st | try [:body :table] to see if you get the table? |
| 05:10 | clgv | I get the table |
| 05:15 | clgv | ro_st: oh might that be due to a parsing error? there is a misplaced <input> between the <tr>s |
| 05:15 | ro_st | yes, that's quite likely |
| 05:15 | ro_st | if the html is malformed |
| 05:16 | clgv | but there is no syntax error. so I'd think tagsoup should be able to handle that |
| 05:16 | ro_st | try just selecting :table :tr |
| 05:19 | clgv | that way I only get the first <tr> before that stupid <input>. so thats the reason |
| 05:19 | amalloy | enlive uses jsoup, not tagsoup |
| 05:19 | clgv | well, I do not need those <input>s so I just remove them via regexps |
| 05:20 | clgv | amalloy: ah ok. does that matter? I read tagsoup somewhere. |
| 05:20 | amalloy | i don't think it matters, really |
| 05:20 | clgv | actually, I think the parsing is fine except those check constraints like "<input> must not appear between <tr>s" |
| 05:21 | amalloy | afaik both of them read in rubbish html, and output valid html |
| 05:21 | amalloy | so there's no way it could produce an <input> in the wrong place |
| 05:22 | callen | amalloy: it's like an anti-proof of GIGO. |
| 05:22 | callen | Magical. |
| 05:30 | clgv | amalooy: hm ok it's pretty weird than. even removing the <input> in advance does not help.. seems to be another error... |
| 05:31 | clgv | the seletor works in firefox' inspector |
| 05:55 | tomjack | interesting.. https://www.refheap.com/c103ad88c6a803aa280acb179 |
| 05:55 | tomjack | wonder how well that will actually work out |
| 05:57 | tomjack | https://www.refheap.com/36f68b88fba6e7fa2d6ceac23 |
| 06:05 | coder11 | what's up guys |
| 06:06 | coder11 | can somebody help me with emacs ad clojure setup? |
| 06:18 | callen | coder11: github.com/bitemyapp/dotfiles/ |
| 06:20 | coder11 | thanks, callen! |
| 06:21 | coder11 | there is a lot of stuff you have in your .emacs config :) |
| 06:22 | callen | coder11: I have 380,000 lines of elisp in my dotfiles repo. |
| 06:25 | dnolen | coder11: there's not much do beyond installing clojure-mode and nrepl via the Emacs 24 package manager. |
| 06:25 | dnolen | coder11: I assume you have Leiningen installed |
| 06:28 | coder11 | dnolen. sure I have lein installed. I've installed clojure-mode and nrepl |
| 06:28 | coder11 | using this tutorial: http://ianeslick.com/2013/05/17/clojure-debugging-13-emacs-nrepl-and-ritz/ |
| 06:28 | dnolen | coder11: that's a lot more than the basic setup |
| 06:29 | coder11 | My problem is that i don't have auto-completion in clojur mode |
| 06:29 | coder11 | here is my .emacs config http://pastebin.com/nEiQ3mfw |
| 06:29 | dnolen | coder11: k that's more specifc, I don't use autocomplete, someone else might know something about that. |
| 06:31 | coder11 | I guess I should add auto-complete mode to some sort of list or add a hook. I'm new to emacs and elisp unfortunately |
| 06:31 | coder11 | thanks for help anyway :) |
| 06:32 | hyPiRion | coder11: https://github.com/hyPiRion/emacs.d/blob/master/hypirion-clj.el#L20-L23 |
| 06:45 | coder11 | well, it seems like I have ac mode enabled. It works for symbols across one file, But it doesn't auto-complete others. eg. map, reduce, mapcat etc |
| 06:45 | callen | coder11: it's not necessarily Clojure aware unless you add that./ |
| 06:45 | hyPiRion | well, auto-complete cannot do that yet |
| 06:46 | hyPiRion | (afaik) |
| 06:50 | coder11 | Well it's definitely not needed for standart clojure functions. But I really want autocomplete to work with other libraries like seesaw |
| 08:32 | CookedGryphon | Ugh, does anyone know how to make emacs properly display ansi escape strings? It's really annoying for midje, I want to run autotest in my emacs repl and see the colours |
| 08:32 | CookedGryphon | Surely it should just be a set of font locks? But I can't seem to find anyone anywhere who's done it |
| 08:37 | magnars | CookedGryphon: You'll have to find somewhere to hook in `ansi-color-process-output` from the 'ansi-color package. For regular comint buffers, that would be `comint-output-filter-functions, but I'm not sure how nrepl does things. |
| 08:39 | magnars | CookedGryphon: there's also ansi-color-apply-on-region |
| 08:43 | CookedGryphon | thanks for the hints |
| 08:49 | BeLucid | I have (what I think) is an interesting little question. In the following code: https://gist.github.com/belucid/5764932 I'm creating a ClojureScript CouchDB view from some Clojure code. To avoid a lot of repetition, I'm creating multiple views using 1 function called from a doseq. |
| 08:50 | BeLucid | Here's the dilemma, the var named "type" on line 7 needs to be a string literal by the time it makes it into CouchDB as a view (think of it like a ClojureScript map/reduce stored procedure). |
| 08:51 | BeLucid | So... how do I take my string var, and turn it into a string literal? |
| 08:51 | BeLucid | Without just repeating that code 3 times w/ different string literals (which works fine by the way) |
| 08:51 | BeLucid | any thoughts? |
| 08:56 | BeLucid | Here's the version that works fine, but it's pretty obvious why I'm working towards something better: https://gist.github.com/belucid/5764991 |
| 09:25 | jweiss | is there an example somewhere of a good way to express a list like [a, b, c, (things-named "foo")] - where it's one list but some of the items are described with a single expression? |
| 09:26 | jweiss | i know i can write it just like that, but trying to decide how to expand into the full list. protocol+mapcat? |
| 09:47 | Steve973 | wow, it's cool to see so many people here |
| 09:48 | joegallo | ,(list* 1 2 [3 4 5]) |
| 09:48 | clojurebot | (1 2 3 4 5) |
| 09:50 | jweiss | ,(list* 1 2 [3 4 5] 6) |
| 09:50 | clojurebot | #<IllegalArgumentException java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Don't know how to create ISeq from: java.lang.Long> |
| 09:50 | futile | Steve973: most of them are not really here. |
| 09:51 | futile | Good morning. |
| 09:51 | cbp` | Hi |
| 09:51 | Steve973 | good morning. I've just begun looking into Clojure. I have the In Action book |
| 09:53 | futile | Steve973: I've only heard the Joy of Clojure book is good |
| 10:02 | Steve973 | futile, I like the Clojure In Action book so far. But I'm only about 50 pages in |
| 10:04 | dhm_ | i recommend 'clojure programming' by emerick, carper and grand |
| 10:04 | xeqi | I've heard good things about clojurebook.com |
| 10:04 | babilen | Steve973: I would recommend "Clojure Programming" and "Joy of Clojure" |
| 10:05 | Steve973 | for those of you who are making the recommendations, have you read Clojure In Action? |
| 10:05 | babilen | Yeah, Clojure Programming is one of the best books around. |
| 10:06 | Steve973 | and have you found it to be lacking in some respect(s)? |
| 10:06 | Steve973 | I'm just curious because I'd rather finish it so that the $30 doesn't go to waste ;) |
| 10:06 | cbp` | I don't think any book goes beyond clojure 1.3 atm |
| 10:07 | dhm_ | i have not read clojure in action |
| 10:08 | futile | I read the first chapter of Clojure Programming I think, where it gave the example of finding indexes in a string, and gave a Java example and a functional Clojure example. |
| 10:08 | futile | That one example really sold me on Clojure. |
| 10:08 | VFe | yeah, the only major lacking thing is no recently updated ones for 1.4/1.5, though 1.3 -> 1.5 is less of a jump than 1.1->1.3 |
| 10:09 | babilen | Steve973: I haven't read "Clojure in Action" (but meant to do it for a while now). I did, however, read "Programming Clojure (1st)" and "Practical Clojure" and strongly prefer "Clojure Programming" -- Currently reading https://leanpub.com/fp-oo and http://www.packtpub.com/clojure-data-analysis-cookbook/book |
| 10:09 | VFe | Since a lot of early examples no longer work correctly |
| 10:10 | supersym | thats a shame but expected problem with unstable programming interfaces, stuff changes >< |
| 10:12 | supersym | I like Github allows you to search on code now too, so I look for functions like say defprotocol, or multimethod or defmacro to see how others used them |
| 10:12 | babilen | Steve973: I would recommend to eventually read "Programming Clojure" and "The Joy of Clojure" -- The latter is a little bit dated by now, but a book that really explains the "why" rather than the "how" .. quite the eye opener (I think I read it a bit too early and missed out a little) -- http://pragprog.com/book/shcloj2/programming-clojure might be great too, but I haven't read the 2nd edition |
| 10:15 | futile | Oh wait, I thought I bought Joy of Clojure but I have Clojure Programming sitting here as a PDF. Oops. |
| 10:28 | alandipert | bbloom: is it your intention to require reducers for fipp 0.3+? |
| 10:28 | alandipert | bbloom: i ask becuase the require in fipp.printer makes some things of ours not work (without fiddling) w/ jdk 1.6 |
| 10:40 | piranha | is there any good library for html form handling? if it matters, I use hiccup for templating |
| 10:47 | futile | piranha: compojure makes getting params really easy |
| 10:48 | futile | piranha: https://github.com/weavejester/compojure/wiki/Destructuring-Syntax |
| 10:48 | piranha | futile: yeah, I'm more interested in skipping all this dance with marking fields which are not correct, displaying errors and similar stuff |
| 10:49 | piranha | getting data from request is not a problem :) |
| 10:52 | clgv | piranha: there were some libs on the mailing list. |
| 10:52 | piranha | yep, I'm trying to find them, but no success yet |
| 10:52 | piranha | ah, https://github.com/codedreams/formula |
| 10:53 | piranha | found at least one :) |
| 10:53 | clgv | http://github.com/alienscience/form-dot-clj |
| 10:53 | clgv | http://github.com/Kaali/pour |
| 10:54 | piranha | clgv: thanks! |
| 10:55 | clgv | piranha: "html form validation" was my search phrase |
| 10:55 | piranha | heh :) I used 'processing' and that was wrong :)) |
| 11:04 | mpenet | valip is also nice, lower level, but simple is good |
| 11:05 | mpenet | $google valip |
| 11:05 | lazybot | [weavejester/valip · GitHub] https://github.com/weavejester/valip |
| 11:05 | futile | technomancy: do you use c.t's ability to call tests from within other tests often? and if so, do you use this in conjunction with fixtures tied to either the inner or outer tests? |
| 11:19 | futile | thickey: nice design, re: clojure.org |
| 11:21 | gfredericks | futile: I've never once called one test from within another |
| 11:21 | seancorfield | mornin' |
| 11:21 | gfredericks | that is probably the weirdest advertised feature of c.t from my perspective |
| 11:21 | futile | gfredericks: I think most people don't use that feature of clojure.test, but I think technomancy mentioned he does |
| 11:21 | futile | seancorfield: Good morning. |
| 11:21 | gfredericks | seancorfield: good 10:18 |
| 11:22 | hyPiRion | good 17:19 |
| 11:22 | futile | Good 10:19 |
| 11:22 | gfredericks | US central wins |
| 11:22 | futile | woot |
| 11:22 | cbp` | mexico central :D |
| 11:22 | llasram | That's an unexpected outcome |
| 11:22 | futile | I think I'm slightly west of gfredericks by 1 minute |
| 11:22 | clgv | good 17:19 as well ;) |
| 11:22 | futile | Tie? |
| 11:22 | gfredericks | aw crap |
| 11:22 | clojurebot | count arities is http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/msg/fb9930ba2a25d2dd |
| 11:22 | futile | seancorfield is the tiebreaker |
| 11:22 | llasram | I'm going to blame it on all the PST people being asleep and all the EST people being about to head to lunch |
| 11:23 | hyPiRion | well, he's certainly not 17:19 |
| 11:23 | mthvedt | gfredericks: i think the idea is that it's a simpler way of doing test suites |
| 11:23 | futile | Woot. |
| 11:23 | gfredericks | I assume he's either in US central or the swedernetherdenmarks |
| 11:23 | mthvedt | if a test is a group of assertions, why have a separate 'suite' concept |
| 11:23 | hyPiRion | gfredericks: Europe in general, really |
| 11:23 | gfredericks | mthvedt: rather than grouping via metadata you mean? or namespaces? |
| 11:23 | seancorfield | lazybot: UGT is Universal Greeting Time http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 11:23 | hyPiRion | seancorfield: clojurebot* |
| 11:23 | seancorfield | bah! |
| 11:24 | gfredericks | seancorfield: why are time zones always amusing to people? |
| 11:24 | seancorfield | clojurebot: UGT is Universal Greeting Time http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 11:24 | clojurebot | Ik begrijp |
| 11:24 | seancorfield | ~UGT |
| 11:24 | clojurebot | UGT is Universal Greeting Time: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 11:24 | mthvedt | gfredericks: yes, the docs advertise using nested tests instead of the default way of running all tests in an ns |
| 11:24 | futile | Wow. I really like the idea of UGT. |
| 11:24 | futile | Yes, let's move on. |
| 11:25 | hyPiRion | seancorfield: that is a nice page and good concept |
| 11:25 | seancorfield | I took a decade off tho'... you know, for good behavior... |
| 11:26 | futile | seancorfield: me too! |
| 11:26 | futile | or the opposite, depending on what you meant |
| 11:26 | seancorfield | futile: why am i not surprised? (you got banned) |
| 11:26 | futile | seancorfield: because you were *there* |
| 11:26 | futile | Anyone going to LambdaJam? |
| 11:26 | seancorfield | yes |
| 11:27 | seancorfield | and one of my team |
| 11:27 | seancorfield | i'm taking vacation to go - we get two conferences a year so i got clojure/west and will go to strange loop |
| 11:27 | gfredericks | futile: yep |
| 11:27 | hyPiRion | I'm going to conj, which means I can't afford any other conference except EuroClojure |
| 11:28 | seancorfield | my whole team went to clojure/west, then other team members chose appnation/internetweek, lambda jam, and clojure/conj |
| 11:28 | gfredericks | hyPiRion: aw man now I mant to go |
| 11:28 | gfredericks | want* |
| 11:28 | seancorfield | i'll be at clojure/conj too - also vacation |
| 11:28 | hyPiRion | gfredericks: You won't be thar? |
| 11:28 | gfredericks | unlikely; I'll have a newborn at the time |
| 11:29 | futile | gfredericks: congrats |
| 11:29 | hyPiRion | :D |
| 11:29 | gfredericks | thx |
| 11:30 | hyPiRion | That's a fair reason to not go |
| 11:30 | futile | If my employer can help, I might go. Would be nice to meet some Clojure folks too. |
| 11:30 | futile | to #(jam) |
| 11:34 | gfredericks | Groupon has some 10 or 15 people going |
| 11:34 | gfredericks | afaik at least. I haven't exhaustively asked everybody. |
| 11:48 | bbloom | alandipert: in theory it can work w/ lazy seqs, but it would be slower. i have no interest in back porting it myself, but if it's a relatively small patch, i'd consider integrating |
| 11:49 | TimMc | gfredericks: We're trying to decide between Lambda Jam, Strange Loop, the Conj, and CUFP. Probably ~ one person to each. |
| 11:51 | futile | Hey can someone PM me quick to test this? |
| 11:51 | futile | Thanks. |
| 11:51 | futile | Okay someone did. |
| 11:55 | seancorfield | TimMc: I hope you already have a Strange Loop ticket - they sold out ages ago... |
| 11:55 | TimMc | Oh! Hmm. |
| 11:55 | TimMc | Lamda Jam, the Conj, and CUFP. :-P |
| 11:57 | gfredericks | TimMc: welp I'll probably be going to just the first |
| 11:58 | owengalenjones | if I am including a java file in lein project.clj with src/java but when I run lein repl it says no such namespace, am I correct that I need to aot compile the java? |
| 11:58 | owengalenjones | sorry, included with :java-source-paths |
| 12:01 | terom | owengalenjones: https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/blob/master/doc/MIXED_PROJECTS.md this may help you |
| 12:04 | piranha | mpenet: valip is not bad, but it's a bit frustrating that there is no ready-to-use tool which would help generate hiccup tree with errors and such; it's a fairly basic task which requires quite a bit of manual work if there is no good library... |
| 12:04 | juhu_chapa | Hi all! |
| 12:04 | gfredericks | juhu_chapa: good (UGT) morning |
| 12:05 | juhu_chapa | What does it meaning #' in (meta #' var) |
| 12:05 | hyPiRion | juhu_chapa: #'foo is a short form of writing (var foo) |
| 12:05 | gfredericks | ,'#'foo |
| 12:05 | clojurebot | (var foo) |
| 12:06 | XPherior | owengalenjones! |
| 12:07 | juhu_chapa | hyPiRion: :O thanks |
| 12:09 | technomancy | futile: actually I don't call one test from within another; I just call functions which contain `is` calls from multiple deftests. |
| 12:09 | futile | technomancy: perfect. |
| 12:10 | technomancy | I guess it depends on how you define test; maybe that counts |
| 12:10 | futile | So, nobody uses the "call a test from within a test" feature. |
| 12:10 | futile | technomancy: "deftest" |
| 12:10 | futile | That was one of the scarier, more confusing features I was worried about not being able to port. |
| 12:11 | futile | technomancy: anyway the lib is done, all we need now are extensions that let you migrate away from c.t and the others |
| 12:11 | futile | technomancy: (which I'm working on and expect to be done in a few days) |
| 12:18 | mthvedt | futile: i think clojure.test tests are the same as your runners. |
| 12:18 | futile | mthvedt: oh? how so? |
| 12:18 | mthvedt | in that they run code that pushes assertions as side effects, then return a result |
| 12:18 | futile | hmm |
| 12:19 | mthvedt | per the docs, you can only assert inside a deftest or with-test |
| 12:19 | mthvedt | and you make assertions by a side effecting call |
| 12:19 | futile | mthvedt: that sounds like the same as my asserters/definers |
| 12:20 | futile | mthvedt: in test2, a test-fn is just a function housing some assertions, and they push assertion results side-effectily |
| 12:21 | futile | mthvedt: you have to call test-fns to get the assertions to happen though, in both test2 and c.t |
| 12:21 | mthvedt | futile: deftest wraps this in a fn that returns test results |
| 12:21 | futile | mthvedt: oh! |
| 12:21 | futile | thats kinda cool |
| 12:21 | mthvedt | futile: https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/c6756a8bab137128c8119add29a25b0a88509900/src/clj/clojure/test.clj#L692 |
| 12:22 | mthvedt | no sorry |
| 12:22 | mthvedt | wrong anchor |
| 12:22 | mthvedt | hang on |
| 12:22 | futile | mthvedt: oh, so deftest is kinda like my run-test-fn: https://github.com/evanescence/test2/blob/master/src/test2/api/runners.clj#L17-L21 |
| 12:22 | futile | I mean, c.t's deftest wraps c.t assertions in something like my run-test-fn |
| 12:24 | mthvedt | futile: i might be wrong--i'm trying to follow the code now |
| 12:25 | mthvedt | however, i think that treating test runners as first-class test suites would make it easy to nest, recombine, &c |
| 12:25 | futile | mthvedt: im not sure about nesting, but combining tests seems like nothing but trouble |
| 12:26 | mthvedt | fuitle: when i worked in big java, being able to group and recombine test suites was a killer feature. |
| 12:26 | futile | mthvedt: then what do you mean by "recombine"? |
| 12:26 | futile | maybe we have different ideas |
| 12:27 | mthvedt | basically, being able to make groups of tests out of other tests or groups of tests. |
| 12:27 | mthvedt | in an arbitrary fashion |
| 12:28 | futile | mthvedt: but what was the purpose? |
| 12:29 | mthvedt | futile: exposing abstractions is its own purpose… but if you have a big app, you might have a unit test suite, then some suites that take longer to run. |
| 12:29 | mthvedt | you might also have the DB tests, integration tests, &c. |
| 12:29 | futile | mthvedt: okay so one purpose is running only certain tests |
| 12:29 | futile | mthvedt: another purpose, it sounds like, is to group related tests for the sake of navigating your test suite |
| 12:29 | futile | mthvedt: does this sound right? |
| 12:29 | mthvedt | another purpose is running tests under different configurations, and being able to programmatically inject configurations (without using Spring nonsense) |
| 12:30 | futile | mthvedt: configurations being like a "run-this-before-all-tests" function? |
| 12:30 | futile | (meaning, run this fn once before the whole suite runs) |
| 12:31 | mthvedt | futile: could be setting things up and tearing them down, could be setting up state or options |
| 12:31 | futile | mthvedt: so it's just functions that surround the whole test suite? |
| 12:31 | mthvedt | like say you want to run suite X with some feature turned off, then again with some feature turned on |
| 12:31 | futile | mthvedt: sounds like c.t's once-fixtures |
| 12:31 | futile | mthvedt: ah, i see. |
| 12:32 | futile | mthvedt: yeah, in test2 parlance, that sounds like a job for a custom runner maybe. |
| 12:32 | mthvedt | i think a lot of the underlying problem behind the mess that is clojure testing is |
| 12:32 | mthvedt | people approach writing a test framework with the idea that "i think tests should do x, y, and z" where x y z happen to be use cases that person encountered |
| 12:35 | holo | hi |
| 12:35 | hyPiRion | hello |
| 12:36 | futile | mthvedt: I don't think such a thing should be baked into the spec, but should be made possible by it via extension |
| 12:36 | futile | mthvedt: it looks like you can do that with a custom runner right now, and i think thats an appropriate solution |
| 12:38 | mthvedt | futile: one thing that would help is if test results could be hierarchal |
| 12:38 | futile | how so? |
| 12:40 | mthvedt | i think i've basically described how you would nest tests without needing any changes to the test2 api--but you still need a way to report, "i ran this bunch of nested tests and here's what happened" |
| 12:40 | futile | Hmm. I need to think about nesting more. |
| 12:40 | futile | It may be something the spec needs to consider. |
| 12:41 | futile | But if the reporter got a bunch of nested test-results back, that could make things really hard for it. |
| 12:42 | futile | mthvedt: I'm concerned that some reporters may not want to list things in nested order, and having nesting baked into the spec sort of enforces everyone to consider them nested. |
| 12:42 | seancorfield | TimMc: just checked and Lambda Jam tix are still available (but only at the "late" rate of $475) and the conj has only 15 "early" tix left :) |
| 12:42 | futile | mthvedt: I wonder if nesting can be "faked" easily enough using the existing spec. |
| 12:43 | tomjack | I don't think clojure.test does any 'nested reporting' |
| 12:44 | futile | mthvedt: right now, custom definers can be used to create "nested" tests with fixture-like behavior that works properly with the nesting |
| 12:44 | tomjack | so emulating its 'nesting' should be easy except for maybe fixture problems |
| 12:44 | tomjack | and personally that seems like the correct behavior to me |
| 12:44 | mthvedt | tomjack: the tests are nested but the reporting is flat, which i think is a flaw. |
| 12:44 | mthvedt | many test frameworks have nested reporting |
| 12:44 | mthvedt | if you want to flatten a test tree, it would be maybe 1 or 2 lines of code |
| 12:45 | futile | Yeah. |
| 12:45 | tomjack | hmm.. I retract what I said about correct behavior, I dunno |
| 12:45 | futile | I think nesting should be in the spec. |
| 12:45 | futile | Flat test suites are a subset of nesting, i.e. nesting with only 1 level. |
| 12:46 | futile | But this still means that fixture-like behavior should still be the definer's job, not the runner's. |
| 12:47 | futile | (which is easier, and makes more sense) |
| 12:51 | tomjack | easier in general? least change to current spec? |
| 12:51 | futile | easier to implement |
| 12:51 | futile | and easier to understand in the spec |
| 12:51 | futile | and better separation of concerns |
| 12:51 | mthvedt | futile: what exactly is a definer? just any macro that makes test-fns? |
| 12:51 | tomjack | weird |
| 12:51 | tomjack | seems the opposite of all of those things to me :) |
| 12:51 | futile | mthvedt: yeah |
| 12:52 | mthvedt | maybe this is a simple vs easy debate |
| 12:52 | futile | tomjack, mthvedt: imagine how (describe) and (it) in this example would expand to just a fancy definition of several (defn ^:test ...) https://github.com/slagyr/speclj/#a-sample-spec-file |
| 12:52 | futile | mthvedt: no I think it's both |
| 12:53 | justin_smith | ever try inventing a game from scratch? it is easy to mis-evaluate the simplicity of something you have designed yourself |
| 12:53 | futile | justin_smith: yes. |
| 12:53 | futile | justin_smith: everything is way harder than you think, even up til the point that it's done. that's a given. |
| 12:53 | tomjack | does 'nested test' mean something more than 'calling a ^:test fn from inside another test'? |
| 12:53 | tomjack | more/different |
| 12:54 | futile | tomjack, mthvedt: oh! that's the confusion! |
| 12:54 | futile | I meant "nested test-results" all along. |
| 12:54 | futile | But now I see that this is actually more confusing than I thought. |
| 12:55 | tomjack | I see, just a spec for the reporting, and a ^:test fn can report nested results however it wants? |
| 12:55 | lunk | hello, happy humpday |
| 12:56 | futile | tomjack, mthvedt: I was imagining a flat series of tests [t1 [t2 t3]] where the nesting just means they share some before/after functionality |
| 12:56 | mthvedt | tomjack: that's what i was getting at, anyway. |
| 12:56 | lunk | can you use let to define a local scopped ref when you use deftype to implement a protocol? |
| 12:57 | mthvedt | the way test2 is currently written, you could nest arbitrary test-fns using, like, a subtest macro |
| 12:57 | mthvedt | that traps reported results and reports them as a subtest |
| 12:57 | futile | my understanding of nesting only applies to fixture-like behavior |
| 12:57 | futile | but I don't understand how they would generate nested reports... |
| 12:57 | tomjack | lunk: you want a ref per instance? just make a field for it and pass it in to the constructor |
| 12:58 | futile | But at least I've got the fixture-half of it down. |
| 12:58 | futile | mthvedt: that doesn't work. |
| 12:58 | mthvedt | i g2g but |
| 12:58 | mthvedt | futile: sure it does. if you're pushing reports as side effects, rebind where you're pushing them to, gather the results, and push those |
| 12:58 | tomjack | so in your [t1 [t2 t3]] example there'd be one each fixture call before the entire group? |
| 12:59 | lunk | tomjack, thats what i have, but i dont want it to be an external ref... http://pastebin.com/JuRmsWPx |
| 12:59 | futile | mthvedt: oh, good ieea |
| 12:59 | tomjack | external? |
| 12:59 | mthvedt | i don't think nesting fixtures baked into the spec is a good idea--there are too many different ways someone might want to do their own fixtures. there's only one way that i'd imagine you'd want a nested test report however. |
| 12:59 | mthvedt | but i gotta run |
| 13:00 | futile | mthvedt: will respond on the mailingl ist |
| 13:00 | lunk | tomjack, yes, that transactions ref vector could be referenced elsewhere or am i thinking about that wrong? |
| 13:01 | tomjack | so you want encapsulation? |
| 13:01 | lunk | yea, maybe using the wrong words, but thats what i desire, tomjack |
| 13:01 | tomjack | I think you're right, but typically you won't worry about encapsulation - the rest of your code should be using the protocol and not accessing the .transactions field directly anyway |
| 13:03 | tomjack | it looks like you could use a reify if you really wanted encapsulation for some reason |
| 13:03 | lunk | maybe ill just ignore that little engineering detail and focus on computing stuff for now |
| 13:03 | lunk | thanks tj |
| 13:03 | tomjack | (defn portfolio [transactions] (reify IPortfolio ...)) |
| 13:04 | tomjack | unless you really need the deftype for other reasons.. |
| 13:04 | lunk | ahh, maybe i will investigate that, havent realized a need for reify yet, off to learn new things |
| 13:04 | lunk | ty sir |
| 13:05 | tomjack | and really, I guess it would be something more like (defn portfolio [] (let [transactions (make-your-ref)] (reify ...))) |
| 13:06 | lunk | thats what i was envisioning, in reality though, i have n sets of transactions and common IPorfolio code that just gets bolted on and called on n references |
| 13:06 | lunk | overengineering yay |
| 13:08 | tomjack | in general, protocols and deftype/reify should be resorted to only when simpler things are insufficient. dunno where you are in clojure familiarity or in that project |
| 13:08 | lunk | but, its not static is it tomjack, every call to Portfolio. will copy the logic, so no bottlenecks anyway, does that sound right? |
| 13:10 | tomjack | not sure what you mean |
| 13:11 | lunk | im imagining, lets say there is another method, portfolio value, and you need to compute the value of a thousand transactions sets |
| 13:12 | lunk | is the portfolio-value logic in memory only once? or for each call to new Portfolio? |
| 13:12 | lunk | im thinking the latter after talking it out |
| 13:13 | tomjack | yeah if I understand you, the latter |
| 13:14 | lunk | yea, rough typing on my phone, thanks for your help |
| 13:14 | tomjack | what will happen is the portfolio-value method you define in the deftype will be compiled into an instance method on the Portfolio class. the 'logic' is 'in memory' only once in that you only have to have the one class with the one compiled instance method |
| 13:14 | tomjack | but since it's an instance method you can, uh, call it on different instances |
| 13:15 | lunk | yea, way beyond my toy project, good to think about though |
| 13:17 | futile | mthvedt, tomjack: posted in the mailing list about this.. hope you guys chime in |
| 13:27 | rkneufeld | Just wanted to mention on the channel here that Luke Vanderhart and I just opened up contributions for the Clojure Cookbook http://clojure-cookbook.com http://github.com/clojure-cookbook/clojure-cookbook |
| 13:28 | tomjack | beautiful |
| 13:29 | tomjack | delightfully surprised by free CC ebook |
| 13:32 | mthvedt | futile: i'm imagining something like this: https://www.refheap.com/15712 |
| 13:33 | futile | Aw I can't edit this. |
| 13:33 | rkneufeld | tomjack: thanks, I put a lot of time and effort into making it look nice. |
| 13:33 | futile | mthvedt: Why do you guys like this instead of gist? gist you can edit and stuff |
| 13:34 | tomjack | rkneufeld: it looks great, but I meant the whole idea is beautiful :) |
| 13:34 | mthvedt | futile: i don't know, it seems to be the standard here |
| 13:34 | futile | aw |
| 13:34 | technomancy | futile: with gist you can't talk to the person who wrote it on IRC or submit pull requests to make it better |
| 13:35 | tomjack | you can edit a refheap if you're logged in |
| 13:35 | mthvedt | anyway, in the real thing you'd probably want to add some bells and whistles to your report |
| 13:35 | futile | mthvedt: I'm not sure I get this example. It's too detached from a real implementation so I'm lacking context. |
| 13:36 | mthvedt | so run-test-fn gathers and returns test reports, right? |
| 13:36 | mthvedt | the idea is, the nest macro will grab a report using run-test-fn, and push that as a test report inside another test |
| 13:36 | futile | mthvedt: yeah, but it's separate from the definer |
| 13:37 | futile | mthvedt: and it looks like nest is sposta be a definer? |
| 13:37 | mthvedt | futile: it's something you would put in other tests |
| 13:37 | futile | mthvedt: run-test-fn is something used internally by the runner |
| 13:37 | futile | mthvedt: all asserters/definers know about is that they can conj onto the magical atom *assertion-results* |
| 13:37 | futile | which is a flat list, tied to the current test-fn |
| 13:38 | mthvedt | futile: right, but the idea is that the functionality of nesting tests is basically already done by a runner. |
| 13:38 | mthvedt | so why not steal code that's being used by the runner to do what we want? |
| 13:39 | futile | i cant put a finger on why, i just feel uneasy about that approach |
| 13:39 | futile | my design-sense is tingling |
| 13:39 | jcromartie | do I really need to physically mail the CA to rhickey? |
| 13:40 | llasram | Or hand him one in person at a conference. That seems to work too. |
| 13:40 | jcromartie | :P |
| 13:40 | jcromartie | fast track |
| 13:41 | futile | llasram: you did that? |
| 13:41 | mthvedt | futile: i think maybe you imagine tests are bundles of assertions that you search for and run, and i'm imaging tests as modular functions that group assertions together |
| 13:41 | llasram | futile: Yeah |
| 13:41 | mthvedt | which isn't to say they can't be both. |
| 13:41 | futile | mthvedt: hm |
| 13:42 | mthvedt | but to my mind, this is the testing equivalent of with-out-str |
| 14:01 | supersym | https://github.com/Engelberg/instaparse pretty damn sweet stuff |
| 14:10 | Raynes | Good morning #clojure. |
| 14:11 | dbushenko | hi! |
| 14:11 | chronno | Hi there |
| 14:12 | hyPiRion | Hello Raynes. Up early, I see |
| 14:12 | Raynes | hyPiRion: Is that sarcasm? :p |
| 14:13 | Raynes | It's 11:10AM. |
| 14:13 | hyPiRion | Oh, I thought it was like 2 pm there or something |
| 14:13 | hyPiRion | Ah, right, you're west coast. |
| 14:14 | futile | Raynes: hi. |
| 14:14 | futile | hyPiRion: UGT |
| 14:14 | futile | ~UGT |
| 14:14 | clojurebot | UGT is Universal Greeting Time http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 14:14 | ucb | g'day Raynes |
| 14:14 | Raynes | I wish that didn't exist. |
| 14:14 | futile | ? |
| 14:15 | Raynes | It is utterly impossible to say "good morning/afternoon/evening" without a reference to it being made. |
| 14:15 | TimMc | Raynes: You mean UGT? http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 14:15 | futile | Raynes: the whole point of UGT is for people to stop *this* noise when someone joins |
| 14:16 | futile | it apparently fails at that. |
| 14:16 | hyPiRion | futile: Well, I thought it was relatively late over there |
| 14:16 | futile | Hey guys, look over there! |
| 14:16 | TimMc | futile: Exactly. Every time someone tries to use UGT, you get a discussion of UGT instead of argument about time zones. |
| 14:16 | Raynes | wat |
| 14:16 | TimMc | Such as now! |
| 14:17 | futile | Guys.. |
| 14:18 | futile | ,(letfn [(_ [] (_))] (_)) |
| 14:18 | clojurebot | #<StackOverflowError java.lang.StackOverflowError> |
| 14:18 | futile | It's almost a reactionface-emoticon |
| 14:19 | ystael | futile: kind of looks like a clojure very hungry caterpillar |
| 14:19 | futile | :) |
| 14:19 | futile | It worked! |
| 14:19 | TimMc | futile: Have you heard the Good Word of Swearjure? |
| 14:20 | futile | I only know of one Good Word. |
| 14:20 | TimMc | ~swearjure |
| 14:20 | clojurebot | Swearjure is http://hypirion.com/swearjure |
| 14:21 | futile | Whoa. |
| 14:22 | futile | Never heard of %& bfore. |
| 14:22 | hyPiRion | ~hello-swearjure |
| 14:22 | clojurebot | hello-swearjure is https://github.com/hyPiRion/hello-swearjure |
| 14:22 | futile | Rest for anon-fns? |
| 14:22 | hyPiRion | yeah |
| 14:22 | tomjack | say you define a tagged reader which reads to something that contains alphanumerics |
| 14:22 | tomjack | cheating? |
| 14:22 | futile | ,(#(vector %1 %&) 1 2 3) |
| 14:22 | clojurebot | cheating is making your sexp smile |
| 14:22 | clojurebot | [1 (2 3)] |
| 14:23 | futile | Neat. |
| 14:23 | tomjack | (if so, should #() also be disallowed? :D) |
| 14:25 | j_m_b | I have a question about how to make a "let macro" or "let function"... I have a number of tests which test different things, but they all need the same environment set up by let i.e. (let [username "james" ] (is (= username "james" )) (is (= username (fn-that-pulls-username-from-database "james")))). Is there a way to have one function or macro that will accept a form body that will reference the vars defined in the let? |
| 14:25 | j_m_b | i.e. (setup-environment-through-let `(is (= username "james")))? |
| 14:25 | TimMc | tomjack: Yeah, I would consider adding a data-readers file cheating... unless it were also written in swearjure. |
| 14:26 | futile | Guys, |
| 14:26 | tomjack | naturally |
| 14:26 | futile | If you had to prove that your Clojure web app really should be using Postgres instead of Mongo, how would you go about it? |
| 14:26 | futile | Convincing arguments were not sufficient. |
| 14:26 | arohner | futile: read/write lock |
| 14:26 | futile | Data was requested. |
| 14:27 | llasram | futile: Pretty easy -- no application should be using Mongo. QED |
| 14:27 | arohner | mongo locks the entire database for every insert/update |
| 14:27 | arohner | writes block reads, and reads block writes |
| 14:27 | tomjack | wtf? |
| 14:27 | arohner | if you run a slow query in production, nobody gets to write anything |
| 14:27 | futile | Wow. |
| 14:27 | arohner | at a certain scale, it is no longer possible to run non-indexed queries in production |
| 14:27 | futile | Okay I'll look for some documentation on that and present it. |
| 14:28 | technomancy | isn't that "if Math.random > 0.1" commit a good enough reason? |
| 14:28 | arohner | ha! |
| 14:28 | Okasu | Mongo is devilish indeed. |
| 14:29 | hyPiRion | technomancy: Is it? In many cases, randomization is a great thing. Though I have no idea what commit you're referencing. |
| 14:29 | llasram | futile: Also, this blog post: http://aphyr.com/posts/284-call-me-maybe-mongodb |
| 14:30 | TimMc | hyPiRion: https://github.com/mongodb/mongo-java-driver/blob/1d2e6faa80aeb5287a26d0348f18f4b51d566759/src/main/com/mongodb/ConnectionStatus.java#L213 |
| 14:30 | futile | hyPiRion: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_f5JYBQuGeA/UaobK0eZ1YI/AAAAAAAAO28/Injl2M8AZic/w551-h228-no/Screenshot_01_06_2013_17_02.png |
| 14:31 | TimMc | Discussion: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16833100/why-does-the-mongodb-java-driver-use-a-random-number-generator-in-a-conditional |
| 14:31 | hyPiRion | stochastic logging, lol. |
| 14:33 | supersym | hyPiRion: swearjure..like brainfuck? nice food for thought though |
| 14:33 | supersym | i like |
| 14:34 | arohner | the swearjure talk at Clojure/West was awesome. definitely check it out when it's released |
| 14:34 | hyPiRion | arohner: yeah, I'm like a little girl waiting for Bieber on that one. |
| 14:35 | supersym | haha |
| 14:38 | futile | I think I only like conferences for the useless-but-funny talks, like WAT: https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat |
| 14:38 | arohner | futile: I've got more trash to talk about mongo, if you need any |
| 14:38 | futile | arohner: I need external proof more than talk |
| 14:38 | futile | arohner: something I can show to my boss. data, statistics, something. |
| 14:38 | arohner | is he a developer? |
| 14:38 | futile | He suggested I profile the app to prove Mongo's slow. |
| 14:38 | futile | Yeah |
| 14:39 | arohner | mongo's not slow, it's stupid |
| 14:39 | seangrove | arohner: You guys haven't written anything about Mongo at Circle? |
| 14:39 | futile | But I'm sure there's documents out there that prove it's bad without needing to profile, right? |
| 14:39 | arohner | seangrove: not yet. I've written a mongo -> datomic live importer though |
| 14:39 | seangrove | Ah, sounds interesting |
| 14:39 | seangrove | Wasn't blown away when I last used datomic |
| 14:40 | seangrove | Fell in love with datalog more than datamoic itself |
| 14:43 | tomjack | seangrove: unrequited? |
| 14:44 | llasram | futile: aphyr's blog post is a pretty strong fact-backed argument against using Mongo anywhere you aren't willing to occasionally loose data |
| 14:44 | llasram | lose, even |
| 14:44 | seangrove | tomjack: indifferent at best |
| 14:47 | tomjack | I really meant, if not datomic, then what? |
| 14:48 | tomjack | I can't think of any other databases which come close to satisfying me |
| 14:50 | technomancy | bdb |
| 14:50 | futile | I've had fine experiences with postgres, and our data model is relational, that's why I keep coming back to it. |
| 14:50 | seangrove | tomjack: I feel slightly uncomfortable with this conversation - what level of satisfaction are we talking about here? |
| 14:50 | seangrove | For simply being pretty kick-ass, I love me some postgres |
| 14:51 | trinary | I haven't played with some of the newer postgres toys yet, like hstore or json columns. |
| 14:51 | seangrove | I certainly like the ideas behind datomic quite a bit, and it could be that I just need to give it another go on a side project, but I just wasn't blown away by it last time |
| 14:54 | tomjack | I'm excited to see new databases inspired by datomic |
| 14:55 | dbushenko | tomjack, which ones? |
| 14:55 | tomjack | future tense :( |
| 14:55 | dbushenko | oops :-( |
| 14:56 | TimMc | futile: Profiling won't help if the problem is "oh crap we literally cannot shard this because it got too big already". |
| 14:57 | futile | llasram, arohner, TimMc: most of the problems seem to be about data failure or not being able to scale well, right? |
| 14:58 | seangrove | futile: Also just some of the design decisions are baffling |
| 14:58 | futile | But we haven't experienced those problems. I'm coming at this from the perspective of, this is the wrong tool, we have relational data models, we should be using a RDB |
| 14:58 | seangrove | Letting you write data and think that it's been saved, though it may not have been, and not knowing for sure unless you query for the last error |
| 14:58 | futile | And that's all I really can confirm is our problem with using Mongo. |
| 14:58 | seangrove | I believe that default has been changed now though |
| 15:00 | futile | Well we haven't noticed any data loss that I'm aware of. |
| 15:00 | tomjack | :D |
| 15:01 | futile | If we did, we'd have heard about it by now. |
| 15:01 | TimMc | That's not how data loss works. |
| 15:01 | futile | Oh. |
| 15:02 | TimMc | If the claim was "Mongo is red, and that's a terrible color", you could just look at yours and say "well ours is blue, so that's fine." |
| 15:02 | technomancy | heh |
| 15:02 | TimMc | Data losingness isn't a property you can ascertain with a test run. |
| 15:03 | technomancy | Mongo is silly because "Mongo" means "hello" in Javanese, but it's not actually implemented in Java. |
| 15:03 | seangrove | haha |
| 15:03 | futile | Best answer yet. |
| 15:03 | TimMc | Or rather, it *can* be ascertained if it does lose data in that test run, but if it doesn't, you haven't learned much. |
| 15:03 | seangrove | TimMc: I prefer to consider it an advanced form of compression |
| 15:04 | TimMc | snrk |
| 15:04 | seangrove | Mongo has enough ability to determine if you *really* need to use the data in the future, and kindly discards it, without even bothering you about it |
| 15:04 | Raynes | We're having the Mongo discussion again? :\ |
| 15:05 | futile | No. |
| 15:06 | TimMc | Raynes: The beatings will continue until morale improves^W^Wpeople stop using Mongo. |
| 15:06 | Raynes | I'll keep using Mongo and I'll enjoy it. |
| 15:06 | Raynes | Damn it. |
| 15:06 | ToxicFrog | I've been trying that with PHP for years, and yet people still use it :/ |
| 15:07 | futile | Oh that's why it works well for us. |
| 15:07 | futile | We're using these: https://github.com/8thlight/hyperion/blob/master/mongo/src/hyperion/mongo.clj#L47-L56 |
| 15:08 | futile | I mean WriteConcern/SAFE |
| 15:08 | futile | (oops) |
| 15:12 | seangrove | There's no accounting for taste |
| 15:12 | seangrove | Raynes: Is refheap on mongo? |
| 15:12 | Raynes | Yes. |
| 15:13 | futile | Okay so it sounds like I have no proof that we should switch to Postgres from Mongo. |
| 15:13 | futile | Dang. |
| 15:13 | seangrove | futile: It won't hurt until it hurts, so probably no big worry working with it |
| 15:14 | TimMc | It's not going to eat your grandma or whatever. |
| 15:14 | Raynes | Have you ever lost data with mongo, seangrove? |
| 15:14 | futile | TimMc: that's a low standard |
| 15:14 | ystael | TimMc: i think that's another one of those questions that can't be answered by test |
| 15:15 | TimMc | No, I checked, it doesn't even have salivary glands. |
| 15:15 | Raynes | I bet you can test that with FutileTestFramework v2.0! |
| 15:15 | seangrove | Raynes: No, not personally, have't used it for anything super large |
| 15:15 | Raynes | Complete with fairy dust and unicorn piss! |
| 15:15 | futile | Raynes: that endeavour sounds... |
| 15:15 | futile | wait for it.. |
| 15:15 | futile | Futile. |
| 15:16 | ystael | what if i want grandma to be a midje metaconstant |
| 15:16 | futile | http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1817/yeaaaaah.gif |
| 15:16 | Raynes | futile: http://media.tumblr.com/c297572ee4a65d279f09742e92b3ba36/tumblr_inline_mgdub7xNX81qgfr6g.gif |
| 15:16 | futile | Raynes: thank you, thank you |
| 15:17 | futile | Heh I used that in an internal email thread at 8L. They love those pics. |
| 15:17 | Raynes | I propose we make the term "midje metaconstant" vulgar and forbid its use in this channel. |
| 15:17 | CaptainLex | Is it possible to dynamically change implementations of member functions of Java objects that have been instantiated? |
| 15:18 | ystael | Raynes: ? |
| 15:18 | Chousuke | CaptainLex: If I understand you correctly, no |
| 15:18 | CaptainLex | Chousuke: In specific, I'm wondering if I can reimplement the handler for a listener after it's been instantiated |
| 15:19 | amalloy | CaptainLex: no |
| 15:19 | Chousuke | CaptainLex: well, in Clojure you can use a generic handler that just calls a clojure function that's stored in an atom or something, but hm. |
| 15:19 | amalloy | but you can define a handler that depends on some mutable state, eg (atom (fn ...)), and then change that state so that the same method now does a different thing |
| 15:20 | amalloy | (although, actually, proxy objects have that feature built in, sorta) |
| 15:20 | Chousuke | and you probably can do it with invokedynamic somehow as well. but that's likely not worth the effort |
| 15:21 | CaptainLex | I'll just be nice and modular anyhow and put all the important handler info in its own function, then |
| 15:21 | CaptainLex | The handler would become enormous if I didn't do that anyhow, in a real-world context |
| 15:23 | CaptainLex | But thank you both, amalloy and Chousuke! |
| 15:47 | futile | Something cool about being able to generate HTML from a CSV file using Hiccup in emacs via nrepl.el |
| 16:03 | justin_smith | regarding dataloss: I hear jeffrey dahmer spent less than 0.0001% of his life killing people |
| 16:03 | justin_smith | pretty reliable in the big picture |
| 16:03 | justin_smith | (number totally invented) |
| 16:08 | TimMc | imma quote that |
| 16:08 | futile | justin_smith: but you forget that in the moment, now is 100% of the time. |
| 16:08 | futile | so at those moments, he spent 100% of his time killing people |
| 16:09 | TimMc | Mongo never loses data 99.9% of the time! |
| 16:09 | TimMc | (More made-up numbers, obvs.) |
| 16:14 | justin_smith | there is also that old joke |
| 16:14 | futile | I bet an IRC client in Clojure would be fun. |
| 16:15 | futile | ... if only I cared about writing IRC clients anymore. |
| 16:15 | justin_smith | "I built that bridge over there, but do they call me John the bridgemaker? no..." |
| 16:15 | justin_smith | "butcha screw one goat!" |
| 16:17 | xeqi | $google irclj |
| 16:17 | lazybot | [flatland/irclj · GitHub] https://github.com/flatland/irclj |
| 16:17 | futile | cemerick: hey thanks for doing this Clojure book, it sold me on it |
| 16:18 | futile | If only there was still a Cocoa bridge to Java :( |
| 16:18 | futile | re xeqi |
| 16:20 | cemerick | futile: sure thing. If you think it's warranted, leaving a nice review @ http://bit.ly/clojurebook would be most appreciated. :-) |
| 16:21 | seancorfield | @clojurebook rocks :) |
| 16:22 | patchwork | Data loss as murder? |
| 16:22 | patchwork | Will someone be prosecuted one day for knowingly and with premeditation erasing some bits? |
| 16:22 | justin_smith | maybe understating the severity |
| 16:23 | Wild_Cat` | cemerick: yeah, your book rocks. |
| 16:23 | cemerick | Wild_Cat`: wasn't just me, but thanks :-) |
| 16:23 | Wild_Cat` | yeah, yours et al. :p |
| 16:24 | jcgrillo | I second that |
| 16:24 | awwaiid | patchwork, flipping the 0->1 can be just as dangerous as the 1->0 |
| 16:25 | futile | cemerick: ha, at the end of page 55 you have "5" listed twice in the same paragraph and the only footnote on that page is #5 |
| 16:26 | tjb1982 | cemerick: I'm working with Friend and I've gotten the form and openid workflows to work (in a sort of cobbled-together, copy/paste from example kind of way). Is there an example somewhere that demonstrates how to integrate both workflows? Or any two workflows? |
| 16:26 | futile | tjb1982: fwiw I couldn't understand how to use Friend with OpenID so I just used openid4java |
| 16:26 | futile | oh, never mind, misread. |
| 16:27 | cemerick | tjb1982: how do you mean, 'integrate'? Each workflow is necessarily distinct. |
| 16:27 | tjb1982 | I mean I would like to be able to provide a way to use one or the other from the same page |
| 16:28 | tjb1982 | maybe I just need to study it a bit more |
| 16:28 | cemerick | tjb1982: That's more to do with where you put your forms and such than with friend itself. Have you looked at https://friend-demo.herokuapp.com/openid/? |
| 16:28 | TimMc | patchwork: That has already happened. |
| 16:29 | cemerick | futile: also, ^^ ...friend's openid support uses openid4java, takes ~3 lines ;-) |
| 16:29 | TimMc | Destruction of Evidence. |
| 16:29 | tjb1982 | cemerick: I did. I have openid working. |
| 16:31 | cemerick | tjb1982: I guess I don't understand the question. Just put another form on the "login" page that points at the URI that handles interactive-form, and the user can choose...? |
| 16:31 | jcgrillo | @futile: it's all about the platonic fives |
| 16:32 | futile | Not the reticulating splines? |
| 16:32 | jcgrillo | ha |
| 16:34 | tjb1982 | cemerick: that makes sense. My issue is not knowing how to configure that to happen. I suppose it's probably just a keyword arg for the interactive-form workflow, right? |
| 16:34 | tjb1982 | like it is in the openid workflow |
| 16:36 | cemerick | tjb1982: you mean, setting which URI it sits on? |
| 16:36 | tjb1982 | cemerick: in the example for interactive form, it looks like it's outside of the workflow `:login-uri "/login"` |
| 16:37 | tjb1982 | cemerick: I obviously need to spend some more time looking through the docs. Add to that that I'm a novice Clojurian |
| 16:37 | tjb1982 | cemerick: but thank you |
| 16:38 | cemerick | tjb1982: yup, you can move it inside as well, and it'll apply only within that scope |
| 16:40 | tjb1982 | cemerick: wonderful. Thanks again |
| 16:42 | pvncad | What is best to drop elements from a sequence at fixed distance? e.g. I would like to drop 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th etc elements |
| 16:43 | cored | hello all |
| 16:43 | cored | which is the best roadmap to learn Clojure |
| 16:43 | cored | books/videos/tutorials/projects ? |
| 16:44 | jcgrillo | pvncad: filter? |
| 16:44 | cored | I don't have any experience on functional programming also, but would like to learn |
| 16:45 | pvncad | cored: You can start with http://www.clojurebook.com/ |
| 16:45 | jcgrillo | cemerick, Brian Carper, & Christophe Grand wrote a nice book |
| 16:45 | cored | pvncad: thanks |
| 16:45 | jcgrillo | there are others as well |
| 16:45 | cored | jcgrillo: Brian Carper |
| 16:45 | cored | will look at it |
| 16:46 | cored | dense book :-) |
| 16:54 | seancorfield | "reticulating splines"... what a great name for a band! |
| 16:54 | tjb1982 | cored: Heroku has a great tutorial https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/clojure-web-application. I would also check out Leiningen, too. Install that from the lein.sh or lein.bat script and then run `lein repl` to mess with the repl like you would python, or `lein new app` to see what a generic directory structure looks like for an app. |
| 16:55 | pvncad | jcgrillo: yes, I am using filter but felt that it was longer than needed |
| 16:55 | pvncad | (map second (filter #(not= (mod (first %) 4) 0) (map-indexed vector (range 10)))) |
| 16:55 | pvncad | jcgrillo: any help to simplify? |
| 16:56 | cored | tbaldridge: thank you very much, will do that |
| 16:56 | jcgrillo | pvncad: there's this http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/remove |
| 16:56 | tbaldridge | cored: I think you mean, tjb1982 |
| 16:57 | tbaldridge | cored: although funny enough, my initials are tjb |
| 16:59 | pvncad | jcgrillo: both filter and remove take a predicate on values but not on index |
| 16:59 | cored | tbaldridge: oh yes :-) |
| 16:59 | Raynes | callen: ping |
| 16:59 | jcgrillo | pvncad: yeah ive noticed ;-p |
| 17:01 | pvncad | jcgrillo: so, I am trying to eliminate the map and map-indexed calls |
| 17:12 | jcgrillo | pvncad: yeah i get the idea, thought it would be easier than that. I'm still majorly noobish here. There's (indexed s) in contrib which might help.. |
| 17:13 | pvncad | jcgrillo: thanks for the help. I haven't used indexed. Will take a look at it |
| 17:13 | gfredericks | pvncad: also ->> |
| 17:14 | gfredericks | ,(>> (range 10) (map-indexed vector) (remove #(zero? (mod (first %) 4))) (map second)) |
| 17:14 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: >> in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 17:14 | pvncad | jcgrillo: for now, I am happy with (reduce into [] (partition-all 3 4 (range 20))) |
| 17:14 | gfredericks | ,(->> (range 10) (map-indexed vector) (remove #(zero? (mod (first %) 4))) (map second)) |
| 17:14 | clojurebot | (1 2 3 5 6 ...) |
| 17:15 | jcgrillo | gfredericks: thanks! that is awesome. |
| 17:15 | pvncad | , (reduce into [] (partition-all 3 4 (range 20))) |
| 17:15 | clojurebot | [0 1 2 4 5 ...] |
| 17:24 | pvncad | (int (byte -127)) |
| 17:25 | hyPiRion | ,(int (byte -127)) |
| 17:25 | clojurebot | -127 |
| 17:26 | gfredericks | ,(->> [int byte] (cycle) (take 100000) (apply comp) (#(% -127))) |
| 17:26 | clojurebot | -127 |
| 17:27 | pvncad | hyPiRion: sorry, I copied that to wrong emacs buffer (instead of nrepl) |
| 17:28 | jjido | gfredericks: how does that work? |
| 17:28 | gfredericks | jjido: it threads -127 through int and byte and back again 100000 times |
| 17:28 | hyPiRion | pvncad: no worries |
| 17:28 | gfredericks | you have to give the bots a workout from time to time or they get complacent |
| 17:29 | hyPiRion | ,(recur) |
| 17:29 | gfredericks | ha |
| 17:29 | clojurebot | Execution Timed Out |
| 17:29 | hyPiRion | bad to have them lazy and so forth |
| 17:29 | jcgrillo | ha |
| 17:32 | futile | ,lazy-seq |
| 17:32 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't take value of a macro: #'clojure.core/lazy-seq, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 17:32 | futile | ,+ |
| 17:32 | clojurebot | #<core$_PLUS_ clojure.core$_PLUS_@e32fd9> |
| 17:32 | futile | ,+ |
| 17:32 | clojurebot | #<core$_PLUS_ clojure.core$_PLUS_@e32fd9> |
| 17:32 | futile | Same memory location! |
| 17:32 | simon_ | Hi |
| 17:33 | simon_ | Is there a function that will take an argument and a predicate and return the argument if the predicate returns true and nil (or false) otherwise? |
| 17:33 | simon_ | in clojure core or core incubator |
| 17:34 | amalloy | #(when (%2 %) %)? |
| 17:34 | jeremyheiler | You can use as-> I think |
| 17:34 | hyPiRion | amalloy: wouldn't and suffice? |
| 17:34 | hyPiRion | ,(and (even? 2) 2) |
| 17:34 | clojurebot | 2 |
| 17:34 | amalloy | instead of when? sure |
| 17:34 | sritchie | does anyone here have experience extending a clojure protocol from java? |
| 17:34 | sritchie | I know, crazy question... |
| 17:34 | sritchie | not implementing the backing interface, but actually extending |
| 17:35 | futile | Hey so it's thundering here. |
| 17:35 | futile | (inc rain) |
| 17:35 | lazybot | ⇒ 1 |
| 17:36 | jeremyheiler | I guess as-> is only useful if you want to do something on the "else" clause. |
| 17:37 | simon_ | my usecase is a -?> form where I want to filter inbetween |
| 17:37 | simon_ | based on a predicate |
| 17:38 | simon_ | so (-?> 5 (as-> even? x x) (+ 1)) |
| 17:38 | simon_ | looks somewhat awkward. is there something more idiomatic? |
| 17:39 | hyPiRion | simon_: some-> ? |
| 17:40 | hyPiRion | ,(some-> 5 even? (+ x 1)) |
| 17:40 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: x in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 17:40 | hyPiRion | whopos |
| 17:40 | hyPiRion | ,(some-> 5 even? (+ 1)) |
| 17:40 | clojurebot | #<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Boolean cannot be cast to java.lang.Number> |
| 17:40 | jeremyheiler | ,(cond-> 5 (even? x) (+ x 1)) |
| 17:40 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: x in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 17:40 | hyPiRion | oh right. Darnit. |
| 17:40 | jeremyheiler | ,(let [x 1] (cond-> 5 (even? x) (+ x 1))) |
| 17:40 | clojurebot | 5 |
| 17:41 | jeremyheiler | ,(let [x 2] (cond-> 5 (even? x) (+ x 1))) |
| 17:41 | clojurebot | 8 |
| 17:41 | papachan | hi |
| 17:41 | papachan | somebody can explain this => https://www.refheap.com/15723 |
| 17:41 | papachan | ? |
| 17:41 | clojurebot | I don't understand. |
| 17:41 | jeremyheiler | ,(let [x 2] (cond-> 5 (even? x) (+ 1))) |
| 17:41 | clojurebot | 6 |
| 17:41 | jeremyheiler | There :-) |
| 17:41 | jeremyheiler | ,(let [x 1] (cond-> 5 (even? x) (+ 1))) |
| 17:41 | clojurebot | 5 |
| 17:42 | jeremyheiler | Wait |
| 17:43 | jeremyheiler | ,(let [x 5] (cond-> x (even? x) (+ 1))) |
| 17:43 | clojurebot | 5 |
| 17:43 | jeremyheiler | ,(let [x 2] (cond-> x (even? x) (+ 1))) |
| 17:43 | clojurebot | 3 |
| 17:43 | simon_ | but cond-> does not short-circuit |
| 17:43 | papachan | oh i find out |
| 17:43 | hyPiRion | papachan: Oh, you understand? |
| 17:43 | papachan | yep |
| 17:43 | papachan | it enable/disable the reader |
| 17:44 | papachan | to protect the reader from injection |
| 17:44 | simon_ | ,(some-> 5 (#(when (even? %) %)) (+ 1)) |
| 17:44 | clojurebot | nil |
| 17:44 | simon_ | ,(some-> 4 (#(when (even? %) %)) (+ 1)) |
| 17:44 | clojurebot | 5 |
| 17:44 | simon_ | thats what i want |
| 17:44 | jeremyheiler | Cool |
| 17:44 | simon_ | I thought there might be a #(when (pred %) %) builtin. |
| 17:47 | papachan | the read-val things is a risk in production |
| 17:50 | hyPiRion | papachan: you can use clojure.edn/read and clojure.edn/read-string for safer variants |
| 17:50 | papachan | hyPiRion: ok thanks |
| 17:56 | jcgrillo | pvncad: (into [] (apply disj (into #{} (range 10)) (into [] (range 0 (count (range 10)) 3)))) |
| 17:56 | jcgrillo | but yours was better i think |
| 18:03 | jcgrillo | pvncad: actually, (sort (into [] (apply disj (into #{} (range 100)) (range 0 (count (range 100)) 3)))) |
| 18:13 | Morgawr | mm.. weird, I'm trying to use goog.events.EventType/DRAGEND but it says it's undefined (in the google closure libraries it's there: http://docs.closure-library.googlecode.com/git/closure_goog_events_eventtype.js.source.html ctrl+f for DRAGEND) |
| 18:13 | Morgawr | with DRAGSTART (or any other event type I tried) it works fine |
| 18:13 | Morgawr | DRAGEND returns undefined though.. is this a possible ClojureScript problem or is it the google closure library? |
| 18:18 | simon_ | Hi |
| 18:19 | Morgawr | hi |
| 18:19 | simon_ | Im using data.xml and getting the exception : XMLStreamException Prefix cannot be null ... seems to be because data.xml does not support namespaces. |
| 18:19 | simon_ | is there any other clojure xml alternative or workaround that can work with big xml files? |
| 18:19 | akurilin | For an Internet facing api, do you guys usually use something along the lines of nginx to proxy port 80/443 to 3000 (or whatever else you picked for jetty+ring)? |
| 18:20 | simon_ | Or do I have to goto sax / stax myself? (I'd rather avoid that..) |
| 18:20 | Raynes | akurilin: That's what amalloy and I do, and it seems lots of other people. |
| 18:20 | Raynes | But you probably shouldn't use us as examples of how to do things properly. |
| 18:21 | aphyr | Is there an equivalent to midje autotest for normal clojure.test tests? |
| 18:21 | Raynes | aphyr: There is if we write it. |
| 18:21 | aphyr | Been mucking around with lein-reload but it looks like it doesn't work with lein2 any more |
| 18:21 | akurilin | Raynes, I'm doing that atm, just wondering if maybe there's a way to remove that additional failure/configuration point from the middle. |
| 18:21 | akurilin | Raynes, although generally, and I think this is most people's experience, nginx stays up pretty well when configured properly. |
| 18:22 | Raynes | aphyr: https://github.com/rplevy/ojo Let's do this shit. |
| 18:22 | Raynes | akurilin: It stays up pretty well when not configured at all, in fact. |
| 18:22 | akurilin | Raynes, hah, that's fair. |
| 18:23 | aphyr | Raynes: Sounds like a plan. I've got a large codebase here with a bunch of clojure.test tests, and it takes like 45 seconds to compile |
| 18:23 | aphyr | Take this off-channel? |
| 18:24 | Raynes | aphyr: Hop into #4clojure or #fflatland. We don't actually use it for either of those things. |
| 18:35 | papachan | oh, file (resource) is unavailable: |
| 18:47 | futile | Didn't go over. |
| 18:47 | futile | Still need to profile to prove PG would be better than Mongo. |
| 18:47 | futile | Which is reasonable, I just have no idea how to do that in production. |
| 18:50 | mikerod | wouldn't @(promise) block indefinitely? |
| 18:51 | hyPiRion | mikerod: it would indeed |
| 18:52 | mikerod | hyPiRion: I saw it hear https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/blob/master/src/leiningen/repl.clj#L123 . |
| 18:53 | mikerod | hyPiRion: I don't understand the purpose here. |
| 18:54 | brehaut | mikerod: im guessing, but probably its to stop the main thread exiting (in a non-blocking way) while other threads continue to execute |
| 18:54 | brehaut | err in a blocking way, rather than a spinning way |
| 18:55 | mikerod | brehaut: Oh, that makes sense to me. I haven't thought of using `promise` for this sort of purpose before. |
| 19:22 | jcgrillo | \quit |
| 19:22 | TimMc | (def block (comp deref promise)) |
| 19:31 | bbloom | TimMc: well that looks like fun. |
| 19:43 | tomjack | tbaldridge: (= 3 (<!! (go (let [foo 3] 'foo)))) |
| 19:46 | tbaldridge | tomjack: yep, I don't handle that special form correctly (quote ...) |
| 19:56 | pmonks | Random n00b question: has there been any talk of reimplementing clojure.walk in terms of clojure.zip? I like the abstraction clojure.walk provides, but also like that clojure.zip won't blow the stack. |
| 19:56 | bbloom | pmonks: 1) i don't think that is a n00b question |
| 19:57 | bbloom | pmonks: 2) no, not that i know of |
| 19:57 | bbloom | pmonks: 3) why don't you give it a try? the source code to walk is pretty short and accessible |
| 19:57 | bbloom | and if you succeed in replicating the API 1-to-1, i'm sure the mailing list would be interested to hear about it |
| 19:57 | pmonks | Yeah I'm looking at http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-treevisit/index.html and thinking that it looks a lot like clojure.walk. |
| 19:58 | pmonks | (scroll down for the Clojure goodness) |
| 19:58 | bbloom | clojure walk is actually extremely limited in applicability, but luckily the code is extremely short, so you can start w/ walk and evolve to custom code as you need to |
| 19:59 | bbloom | switching to a tail recursive version (even without zip) is as simple as using loop/recur and putting a stack-like structure into your loop arguments |
| 19:59 | pmonks | Yeah - seems like clojure.zip is more powerful, at the expense of being pretty low level for simple tree walking. |
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| 20:12 | devn | Good god this is cool: https://github.com/dentrado/musiklogik |
| 20:13 | devn | git clone that, lein deps it, open src/musiklogik/examples.clj, run some of the stuff in the (comment ...) form |
| 20:13 | devn | so cool. |
| 20:13 | devn | dnolen: ^--not sure if you've seen that yet, but core.logic is being used to great effect |
| 20:14 | tomjack | that is neat |
| 20:15 | tomjack | I wonder if condw will be necessary eventually |
| 20:17 | devn | good lord clojars needs some features |
| 20:20 | technomancy | "some features"? |
| 20:25 | futile | devn: add them |
| 20:26 | technomancy | the biggest problem with clojars is definitely that the number of features is too low |
| 20:26 | devn | technomancy: heh |
| 20:27 | SegFaultAX | technomancy: As an aside, it irritates me that maven central will give coordinates for every package manager under the sun except lein. |
| 20:27 | devn | technomancy: it would be nice to see an activity log for pushed repos |
| 20:28 | technomancy | devn: like a timestamp next to each of the recent versions? |
| 20:28 | devn | in addition, i'd like to try and help improve search |
| 20:28 | devn | technomancy: so im on the homepage, how do i see the full list of timestamped "recently pushed jars"? |
| 20:29 | technomancy | sure, that would be a cool addition |
| 20:30 | technomancy | I think xeqi was working on adding pagination to search results |
| 20:30 | devn | technomancy: i gotta admit, the way i originally phrased my statement "needs more features" was pretty stupid |
| 20:30 | technomancy | it's ok as long as you don't mind a few jokes being made over it =) |
| 20:31 | devn | technomancy: how do people feel about design? the company i work for has in-house design people who have 20% time and would probably be down to spruce things up a bit |
| 20:31 | devn | is that something that's open for contribution? |
| 20:31 | technomancy | devn: no one's particularly fond of the current design, but gf3 at one point offered an alternative |
| 20:32 | technomancy | https://github.com/ato/clojars-web/issues/83 |
| 20:32 | technomancy | so one of the main problems right now in my mind is that the transition off sqlite is kind of paused in mid-stream |
| 20:32 | technomancy | hoping to get some time to noodle on that soon |
| 20:32 | devn | technomancy: is the idea to go to datomic? maybe? i was thinking about that for activity logs and search |
| 20:33 | technomancy | search is already handled by lucene |
| 20:33 | technomancy | the DB is 5MB currently and not growing rapidly, so we have an in-memory DB being written to |
| 20:33 | technomancy | with an event stream being written to disk |
| 20:34 | technomancy | IIRC it's being written to everywhere it needs to be, but all the queries are still being served by sqlite |
| 20:34 | technomancy | just a matter of shifting things over slowly and phasing out the sql portion safely |
| 20:34 | devn | technomancy: im going to make it my next couple of months job to help out on clojars |
| 20:34 | technomancy | sweet |
| 20:34 | devn | it's such an important part of the community |
| 20:34 | jtoy | how can I do a doseq and then "break" out of it on a condition? |
| 20:34 | hyPiRion | (inc devn) |
| 20:34 | lazybot | ⇒ 8 |
| 20:35 | jtoy | im doing a bunch of network code and I want to break out on any errors that occur |
| 20:35 | technomancy | I might have some time tomorrow to sit down and gather my thoughts; do a more detailed "here's what we need to wrap up" on the DB side |
| 20:35 | technomancy | jtoy: if you have an error you should throw an exception |
| 20:35 | devn | technomancy: that'd be great. the more we can get a list of priorities in order, the more i can bug people who i work with to get involved :) |
| 20:36 | jtoy | technomancy: i want my other code to continue after the doseq rhough |
| 20:37 | technomancy | devn: cool... I need to head off but will be around tomorrow. |
| 20:37 | devn | jtoy: could you maybe gist an example of what you're working on? |
| 20:37 | devn | technomancy: if im not around PM me -- im usually "around", but during work hours I usually don't jump to my IRC tab too much |
| 20:38 | technomancy | cools |
| 20:38 | jtoy | ok, give me a in |
| 20:38 | jtoy | min |
| 20:39 | devn | jtoy: im sure we could give you some advice, just thinking you might get a more pointed suggestion if you show what you're doing and what you want to happen |
| 20:42 | devn | hyPiRion: since you inc'd me I have to bug you to check up on that cl-format bug you and I discovered awhile back |
| 20:42 | devn | clojure.pprint scares the crap out of me |
| 20:43 | devn | hyPiRion: also, i think i have a few more bugs worth filing w/r/t cl-format given getclojure.org uses code-dispatch pprinting like crazy |
| 20:43 | devn | none as annoying as the one you and i ran into, but definitely some funky behavior |
| 20:44 | hyPiRion | devn: you mean the fn* one? |
| 20:44 | devn | yeah |
| 20:44 | devn | did that get screened or anything yet? |
| 20:44 | Raynes | devn: I am acquiring a vehicle. |
| 20:44 | Raynes | devn: A coworker is selling me his car for a ridiculously small sum of money. |
| 20:44 | devn | Raynes: radical |
| 20:44 | hyPiRion | I asked whether it was a bug or an intentional behaviour |
| 20:44 | Raynes | Unfortunately I do not even possess a California driver's license. |
| 20:45 | Raynes | Because my Alabama license expired the *day* I left for LA, I have to take a behind the wheel test. Blech. |
| 20:45 | devn | hyPiRion: it seems unintentional to me? |
| 20:45 | devn | hyPiRion: what scenario would make that intentional? |
| 20:46 | hyPiRion | devn: I don't know, I'm not sure I understand the rationale at times |
| 20:46 | hyPiRion | http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-1179 |
| 20:46 | devn | gah |
| 20:46 | devn | no comment or anything? |
| 20:47 | hyPiRion | no comment except the "not approved" sign |
| 20:48 | devn | hyPiRion: i think i see why that wouldn't be an approved change |
| 20:49 | hyPiRion | I'm all ears |
| 20:49 | devn | i take that back :) |
| 20:49 | devn | i just peeked at the source |
| 20:49 | gfredericks | it feels wrong to me too, but I don't think I've ever known exactly why |
| 20:49 | jtoy | devn: https://www.refheap.com/15727 |
| 20:50 | devn | jtoy: so you want what to happen? |
| 20:50 | bbloom | devn: would love to hear your thoughts on fipp! :-) |
| 20:50 | jtoy | devn I want the doseq to end so i can continue with my other code |
| 20:50 | bbloom | devn: i'm giving a talk on it too at cljnyc in a week or two. should be recorded |
| 20:51 | devn | bbloom: dude. getclojure.org is prime territory for finding test cases |
| 20:51 | devn | trust me on this. |
| 20:51 | hyPiRion | gfredericks: I'm still weirded out by the distinct/distinct? difference |
| 20:52 | bbloom | devn: what kind of "test cases"? |
| 20:52 | gfredericks | hyPiRion: yeah the arity bit is bizarre |
| 20:52 | gfredericks | ,(=) |
| 20:52 | hyPiRion | ,[(distinct [1 2 1 3 2]) (distinct? [1 2 1 3 2])] |
| 20:52 | devn | bbloom: lots and lots of random code written by real people in IRC yields very interesting pprinted code results |
| 20:52 | clojurebot | #<ArityException clojure.lang.ArityException: Wrong number of args (0) passed to: core$-EQ-> |
| 20:52 | clojurebot | [(1 2 3) true] |
| 20:52 | gfredericks | hyPiRion: should (=) be defined? |
| 20:52 | bbloom | devn: oh, i don't have code dispatch yet, only data dispatch |
| 20:52 | devn | bbloom: check this out for example: http://getclojure.org/search?q=let&num=120 |
| 20:53 | hyPiRion | gfredericks: heheh, we're back to that discussion again |
| 20:53 | devn | bbloom: look at "(let [r (range 1 11)] ..." |
| 20:53 | gfredericks | hyPiRion: oh I can't remember if we had gone there before or not |
| 20:53 | devn | bbloom: note the way `for` is formatting its binding form |
| 20:53 | bbloom | devn: ah yeah, it's really difficult to add extra formatting rules to pprint |
| 20:53 | devn | bbloom: similarly, check out the "(let [what's 'this?" |
| 20:54 | hyPiRion | gfredericks: hm, maybe it's because it's not a monoid? |
| 20:54 | gfredericks | hyPiRion: what isn't? =? |
| 20:54 | jtoy | any idea devn? |
| 20:54 | bbloom | devn: i've been thinking about how to do something stylesheet-esque to let people add formatting rules easily for var usages |
| 20:54 | devn | jtoy: sorry, im looking |
| 20:54 | hyPiRion | gfredericks: yeah, and distinct? for that matter |
| 20:54 | devn | anyone else want to join in and help jtoy out? he wants to break out of his doseq if he hits a problem: https://www.refheap.com/15727 |
| 20:55 | gfredericks | devn: sounds like loop is better for that |
| 20:55 | bbloom | jtoy: why not just use loop/recur ? |
| 20:55 | gfredericks | or exceptions |
| 20:55 | devn | and there you have it! :) |
| 20:55 | jtoy | bbloom: i have not used them before, would that solve my situation? |
| 20:55 | devn | bbloom: i gotta run, but we should chat more |
| 20:56 | jtoy | devn: thx |
| 20:56 | devn | hyPiRion: gfredericks: same for you dudes |
| 20:56 | bbloom | jtoy: yes. |
| 20:56 | devn | cheers all |
| 20:56 | xeqi | devn: any time you want to spend on clojars is much appriciated |
| 20:56 | devn | :) looking forward to helping out |
| 20:56 | devn | ciao |
| 20:57 | hyPiRion | devn: cya, awesome that you'll burn some hours on clojars |
| 20:57 | jtoy | bbloom: I can use loop/recur for non pure functions? im writing to the network |
| 20:57 | hyPiRion | Just don't get the idea that maven has solved a problem for you, because that's a time sink. |
| 20:57 | hyPiRion | jtoy: yeah, loop/recur is eager |
| 20:58 | hyPiRion | ,(loop [a 10] (do (prn a) (if (pos? a) (recur (dec a))))) |
| 20:58 | clojurebot | 10\n9\n8\n7\n6\n5\n4\n3\n2\n1\n0\n |
| 21:00 | IamDrowsy | jtoy: i'm not quite sure but you might also just doseq over (take-while abort-condition candidates) |
| 21:11 | bbloom | ^^ that works too |
| 21:29 | devn | i lie take-while more I think. good call IamDrowsy |
| 21:29 | devn | like* |
| 21:29 | devn | this goes back to that thread about idiomatic usage of loop/recur vs reduce |
| 21:30 | devn | in this case, idiomatic usage of loop/recur vs doseq in combination with take-while |
| 21:34 | aphyr | Who wants a totally immature but super-useful hack? https://github.com/aphyr/prism |
| 21:44 | ryanf | aphyr: hey, cool. as a clojure noob I ended up using midje specifically because I wanted that functionality |
| 21:47 | aphyr | Yeah, me too. |
| 21:47 | aphyr | midje has some issues with reloading though] |
| 21:47 | aphyr | Hoping I can do better when there are syntax errors |
| 21:50 | Raynes | aphyr and I bonded and became besties as we created this. |
| 22:22 | ddellacosta | aphyr, Raynes: you guys are going to make me cry as that is exactly what I wanted |
| 23:30 | tjb1982 | using Friend for authentication. Everything is working, generally, but I'm trying to set the `:default-landing-uri` to something like `/:username` (e.g., `/tjb1982`) -- I tried `(str "/" (friend/current-authentication))` but it's returning nil. Any suggestions? |
| 23:31 | tjb1982 | i.e., `(str "/" (friend/current-authentication))` returns just "/" |
| 23:38 | xeqi | so you have `:default-landing-uri (str "/" (friend/current-authentication))` as an option? |
| 23:38 | xeqi | tjb1982: ^ |
| 23:39 | tjb1982 | xeqi: yes to my interactive-form workflow |
| 23:40 | tjb1982 | xeqi: scratch that. It is a level hgher in the default authenticate options |
| 23:41 | xeqi | I was wanting to make sure it wasn't hidden in a fn somewhere. I believe that is being evaluated when -> is putting together the middleware stack. |
| 23:42 | xeqi | you could send everyone to the same default, and then do a redirect there... trying to see if there is a way to dynamically generate the default route |
| 23:44 | tjb1982 | xeqi: that's what I was thinking, but I'm pretty new to clojure, and I've seen some interesting things happen so I wanted to be sure I'm not missing out on a better way to do it right there in the kwargs |
| 23:46 | xeqi | I don't see anything |
| 23:47 | tjb1982 | thanks anyway |
