#clojure – 2009-07-07

2009-07-07

00:32	eyeris	Is there a function or macro establish local bindings from a map?
00:33	eyeris	e.g. given {:one 1 :two 2}, calling (let-from-map my-map (...)), would give ... the bindings one = 1 and two = 2?
00:34	hiredman	I have thought about that, and fail to see a decent use case
00:35	hiredman	just use (:one my-map) instead of one
00:35	eyeris	In this case, it'd would be (get-in my-map [:key-one :key two]), 4 times.
00:38	eyeris	And, in this case, I am going to use every key in the map.
00:57	Knekk	can't make-array of structs?
01:01	eyeris	What about to-array?
01:05	Knekk	that seems to work
01:05	Knekk	how do I make it a multidimensional array? :)
01:07	eyeris	What do you need a multi-dimensional array for?
01:07	hiredman	java does not have multi diemensional arrays
01:08	hiredman	just arrays of arrays
01:08	Knekk	which is supported with make-array
01:08	Knekk	maybe I am just doing to-array wrong.
01:09	Knekk	oh, duh
01:10	Knekk	got it
02:10	cataska	any tiny web library/framework for clojure recommended ?
02:11	grrrt	cataska: compojure is the most popular one
02:12	grrrt	and there's Ring, if you want something smaller and lower level
02:16	cataska	grrrt: thx, i'll give them a try
02:28	grrrt	is there a function to test if something is a ref, similar to "var?" ?
02:29	hiredman	instaceof clojure.lang.IRef ?
02:30	grrrt	hmm I guess that will do yes. thanks!
02:30	slashus2	,(instance? clojure.lang.IRef (ref 0))
02:30	clojurebot	true
02:48	bradford	is there some idiomatic way of wrapping macros in functions so they can be passed around?
09:25	AWizzArd	rhickey: When I have /hg/app/src/ in my classpath and also /hg/app/build/ into which I compile my app and then start a fresh repl and (use 'my.namespace), from which path will it then load? From the .class files or the .clj files?
09:26	Chouser	AWizzArd: whichever has a more recent mtime
09:32	Chouser	Here's the logic for that: http://tinyurl.com/mqkfyd
09:35	AWizzArd	thx
10:21	laktek	Hi I got a problem in using clojure-contrib classes
10:22	Chouser	ok
10:22	laktek	I have included it in my class path
10:23	laktek	but yet when I do something like ((:import (clojure.contrib.server-socket))
10:23	laktek	it gives "java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.contrib.server-socket (NO_SOURCE_FILE:2)" error
10:23	laktek	What might be the problem?
10:24	Chouser	you're at a repl?
10:24	laktek	yes
10:24	Chouser	try: (require '[clojure.contrib.server-socket :as ss])
10:25	laktek	I use the following command to launch repl - java -cp $CLOJURE_JAR:$CONTRIB_JAR clojure.lang.Repl
10:25	laktek	and I have defined correct paths to Clojure and contrib jars
10:26	Chouser	try: (require '[clojure.contrib.server-socket :as ss])
10:26	laktek	it gives nil as output
10:27	laktek	how do I know whether it's loaded correctly?
10:27	Chouser	it worked! :-)
10:28	Chouser	try (doc ss/create-server)
10:28	laktek	yeppee!!! it did really work!
10:28	laktek	:)
10:29	laktek	thanks so much Chouser!
10:29	laktek	btw, what is the difference with import and require?
10:29	Chouser	your classpath was fine. the problem was that :import only works in the ns macro. a stand-alond function call needs (import ...)
10:29	Chouser	yes, that was the other problem
10:30	Chouser	import is for getting a shorter name to a Java class.
10:30	laktek	so that means I need to require it first?
10:30	Chousuke	no.
10:30	Chouser	you can either say java.security.MessageDigest, or say (import 'java.security.MessageDigest) first and later just MessageDigest
10:30	Chousuke	the java classes in your classpath are always available.
10:31	Chousuke	but clojure stuff needs to be required first.
10:31	Chouser	or 'use'd
10:31	laktek	ah ok..so that means if it a general Java class such as IO i can use it without require or use?
10:32	Chousuke	yeah.
10:32	laktek	but for clojure specific stuff needs to be required?
10:32	laktek	cool..now I'm really getting it
10:32	Chousuke	actually, require and use don't work with java classes :)
10:32	Chousuke	they're just for clojure.
10:32	laktek	and in a case how can I use an external java library?
10:32	clojurebot	☕
10:33	Chousuke	laktek: just add it to your classpath
10:33	Chousuke	laktek: then it will be automatically available.
10:33	Chousuke	laktek: you'll just need to give its fully qualified name, unless you use import beforehand, like Chouser described.
10:33	laktek	cool..now I get it..
10:34	laktek	that convention anyhow doesn't apply to clojure namespaces right?
10:34	Chousuke	yeah
10:34	Chousuke	Clojure stuff is not automatically available because it needs to be "executed" on load.
10:34	Chousuke	unlike java classes.
10:34	laktek	ah right
10:34	laktek	because they are interpreted?
10:35	Chousuke	nah, it's compiled.
10:35	Chousuke	but if the namespace is not AOT-compiled, then clojure will compile it when you do a require or a use
10:36	Chousuke	I'm not sure what it does if the stuff is AOT-compiled, but that's an implementation detail anyway :
10:36	Chouser	clojure has namespace objects that keep track of all available vars in the namespace
10:36	Chouser	to populate that list, you need to 'use' or 'require'
10:36	Chousuke	ah, right. namespaces are actual objects. :/
10:36	Chouser	Java simply doesn't provide a way to see all the available classes in a package
10:37	laktek	ah ok..so when I do a require what it does is generating the available functions and variables in that namespace?
10:38	Chouser	I'm not sure I'd use the word "generating", but that's roughly the idea, yes.
10:38	laktek	ok cool..
10:38	laktek	and another question
10:38	Chouser	it'll create the namespace object and intern the vars in it
10:38	laktek	ok
10:39	laktek	:require and :use is interchangeable?
10:39	Chouser	no
10:39	laktek	or are there any specific cases to use them?
10:39	Knekk	if I invoke the repl with a scriptname argument it runs the script... but does it run it under a different namespace? I am not seeing what I expect.
10:40	Chouser	there's a lot of overlap in what they do, but some options are available only in 'use'
10:40	Chouser	on the other hand 'use's default behavior is not what I'd usually recommend.
10:40	Knekk	at the end of the script I call (run) which does some simple array manips and displays a JFrame... but it doesn't look like the array is modified
10:41	Knekk	but it gets modified if I paste the command straight into the repl
10:41	Chousuke	you sure you're not trying to modify an immutable thing?
10:41	Chouser	laktek: These days I recommend: (ns my.ns.foo (:use [clojure.contrib.sql :as sql :only []]))
10:42	Chousuke	if you do (conj [1 2 3] 5) that won't actually modify [1 2 3] :P
10:42	Knekk	I am modifying an array
10:42	Chousuke	can you show the code?
10:42	laktek	Chouser: ok cool
10:42	Chouser	Knekk: are you using clojure.main or Script ?
10:42	Knekk	yeah, but I need to get off this train first :) I'll be back from the office in 15
10:43	Knekk	Chouser: Neither of those rings a bell, so I am guessing that's part of my problem
10:44	Chouser	hm, they both seem to start you in the 'user' namespace
10:44	Knekk	back in a few.
10:44	Chouser	I thought one of them used to default to 'clojure.core', but I guess that's been fixed.
10:49	laktek	Chouser, Chousuke: thanks again for the help :)
10:58	Knekk	ok.. let's see.
11:05	Knekk	Shall I paste here or to the paste board I don't remember the location of?
11:06	drewr	lisppaste8: url
11:06	lisppaste8	To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/clojure and enter your paste.
11:08	achim	Knekk: the error you described sounds like you're doing side effects stuff within lazy seqs (maps, for, ...). the REPL will print those and thus force evaluation, running as a script will not
11:09	Knekk	achim: you are most likely right, and it's something that keeps tripping me
11:09	Knekk	but wouldn't (aget ) force evaluation?
11:10	Chousuke	is it inside a (for...)? :)
11:10	lisppaste8	Knekk pasted "repl" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/83176
11:10	Knekk	http://paste.lisp.org/+1S6G
11:10	Chousuke	yeah, it's the for.
11:11	Chousuke	use (doseq) instead
11:11	Knekk	ah
11:11	Chousuke	in general, the do* functions are what you want to use if you're dealing with side-effects.
11:12	Chousuke	like manipulating arrays :)
11:13	Chousuke	(find-doc "side-effect") is probably useful
11:13	achim	for is not a looping construct but a list comprehension. the same thing maths has for sets (like { x^2 \| x in N }), but for lists. they don't actually do anything, just define a sequence in an abstract way
11:14	Knekk	I getcha
11:14	Knekk	I was under the mistaken impression that aget/aset would force the evaluation
11:15	Knekk	thank you very much
11:15	Chousuke	lazy-seqs aren't smart enough to know when you're doing side-effecty stuff with their data :)
11:15	Knekk	lazy and apathetic is what they are
11:16	Chousuke	heh
11:17	Chousuke	is there a reason you're working with arrays though?
11:17	Chousuke	generally, you should avoid them
11:17	Knekk	I also have a vector implementation
11:18	Knekk	I am dicking around so I can learn
11:18	Chousuke	that's valid
11:18	Knekk	I do want to maintain a large array of mutable data
11:19	Knekk	with elements that'll be updated frequently
11:19	Chousuke	Honestly, working with arrays is probably easier from Java.
11:20	Chousuke	so if a vector + a ref is not fast enough for you, consider writing a java class to wrap your array and using that from clojure :)
11:21	Knekk	I'll add that to my list of things to try. I already tried a vectors of refs, which was not... speedy
11:24	Chousuke	and if you wrap your array in an object you can use the (locking) macro to keep it safe I guess. :)
11:30	Knekk	safe data is happy data
12:45	drewr	whoa, Chouser posted to his blog
12:45	drewr	oh, it was agriffis
12:45	drewr	anyway, n01se.net lives!
13:17	Chouser	drewr: heh
13:54	bpattison	I'm looking for a function that behaves similarly to map where it take [f coll init-value] where f is a function that takes [item prev-value] where item is an item out of coll and prev-value is the results of the previous invocation of f on the previous item, init-value is just the initial value to be sent to f -- does anyone know of such a function?
13:54	Chousuke	reduce
13:54	Chousuke	:P
13:54	danlarkin	haha
13:54	Chousuke	it is (reduce init coll) though
13:55	danlarkin	I love that... describing a function perfectly that already exists
13:55	danlarkin	a nice surprise
13:55	bpattison	reduce? excellent -- I'll take a look at that
13:55	technomancy	danlarkin: at least he asked instead of trying to implement it anew; that's what I often end up doing. =)
13:56	Chousuke	if you can find a functional programming language that doesn't have reduce as a standard function, I'd be interested :)
13:56	Chouser	bpattison: the fact that you're even asking that question shows you're really starting to "get" how to solve problems with high-level functions.
13:56	Chousuke	it's probably one of the first functions you'd implement when writing a standard library for functional programming :P
13:58	mauritslamers	question: is there a way to retain the intermediate values when using reduce and put them in a list?
13:58	Chousuke	there's a reductions function in contrib
13:58	mauritslamers	ah, thanks, I'll take a look at it :)
13:59	Chousuke	~def reductions
14:00	kencausey	um, is it normal for clojurebot to tell everyone the answers to such things privately?
14:00	kencausey	or maybe this IRC client (weechat) somehow does not like clojurebot's responses and so is failing to render it in the appropriate buffer
14:01	Chousuke	it uses a notice
14:01	Chousuke	not a private message.
14:01	Chousuke	your client is funky :)
14:01	kencausey	OK, that shows up in the server buffer here
14:01	kencausey	there is no information on the appropriate channel in the response it seems
14:02	Chousuke	that's your client being funky.
14:02	Chousuke	as far as I know, NOTICE is the proper method for automatic responses.
14:02	Chousuke	actual messages are reserved for human chatter I guess.
14:03	Chousuke	though clojurebot breaks that rule sometimes :P
14:06	kencausey	Well, I'll just say I interact with other bots without that particular result and leave it at that
15:55	bhurt_	Stupid question of the day: is there something like javadoc for clojure?
15:55	replaca__	bhurt_: folks use doc strings in the function
15:56	replaca__	bhurt_: but there's no inherent format for that
15:56	replaca__	bhurt_: that you can use to generate html
15:56	bhurt_	I had thought doc comments were supposed to be short, just enough to remind you how to use the function when looking at it in the repl.
15:56	replaca__	but it is possible to generate html from namespaces pretty easily
15:57	replaca__	bhurt_: well, they shouldn't be a book, but I think they should be fairly complete
15:57	replaca__	in contrib we've been working on a system where folks doc their functions, but can provide longer doc with a wiki link
15:58	replaca__	but that's just a metadata convention I made up
15:58	Chousuke	I think the :doc metadata is too restricted :/
15:58	Chousuke	it'd be useful to have a map of documentation attributes.
15:58	cemerick	heh, yeah, we've been down this road before :-)
15:59	Chousuke	if you had a map of doc data it could contain additional stuff without polluting the "main" metadata too much.
16:00	liebke	bhurt_: I use clojure.contrib.gen-html-docs to generate html from the doc strings
16:01	bhurt_	The problem with using html in doc strings is that it looks bad when you do (doc some-function) in the repl.
16:02	liebke	yeah, i don't use html in the doc strings because of that, but here's an example of what the generated html looks like: http://incanter.org/docs/api/
16:08	replaca__	yeah, I've been doing the stuff for contrib. (which is at github.com/tomfaulhaber/contrib-autodoc). It's in transition now, moving to github pages
16:08	replaca__	one of the things I had to do was use <pre> for the docstrs
16:09	liebke	nice, <pre> would be very helpful
16:09	replaca__	liebke: I was looking at the incanter doc and thought it might benefit from my new autodoc
16:09	liebke	I think so
16:09	replaca__	I've got a couple of steps to go though, before it will be useful for other projects
16:10	replaca__	I'll let you know when it is.
16:10	liebke	the formatting is great!
16:10	replaca__	liebke: btw, big props for incanter. I'm very excited about it.
16:10	liebke	thanks, I'll definitely switch to autodoc
16:10	liebke	thanks :)
16:11	replaca__	cool. The new version does everything "right" with HTML templates, enlive, etc.
16:11	replaca__	so it will be easy to make html bundles as well as static web sites
16:11	replaca__	(and even info files :-))
16:11	technomancy	wow, info files?
16:11	technomancy	crazy talk. =)
16:12	replaca__	well, that's a later stage. but it should be easy, cause I've abstracted out building a big datastructure to describe what's going on so it's easy to go over that and produce whatever you want
16:12	liebke	that will be great
16:13	replaca__	liebke: cool, I'll keep you posted
16:13	technomancy	texinfo is a pretty crazy format though.
16:13	technomancy	but I guess you're not doing a lot of fancy formatting
16:13	replaca__	technomancy: nah, but I haven't looked at texinfo in about 15 years, so we'll see :-)
16:14	technomancy	replaca__: 15 years ago it probably wouldn't have seemed so crazy. =)
16:15	replaca__	technomancy: yeah, the nice thing is that I've got the doc stuff on our side pretty well organized now. So all the craziness is on the target :-)
16:17	technomancy	yeah, having doc strings is _so_ much nicer than having to run another parse over the source.
16:17	replaca__	yup
16:17	technomancy	and having simply vars with strings attached to them is much simpler than Ruby's OOP model.
16:17	replaca__	and being able to add metadata
16:18	jackdempsey	technomancy: hey man, yt?
16:18	technomancy	jackdempsey: yeah, sure
16:18	replaca__	but I've reduced it to maps, keywords, and strings
16:18	clojurebot	maps are AWESOME
16:18	technomancy	what's up?
16:19	jackdempsey	playing with compojure a bit more
16:19	jackdempsey	there's no such function as "param" right
16:19	jackdempsey	its just params?
16:19	jackdempsey	reason i ask, on your readme there's "(alter session assoc :name (param :name))"
16:19	technomancy	my readme?
16:19	jackdempsey	and param doesnt' seem to work for me
16:19	jackdempsey	yeah sry, your fork of compojure:-)
16:19	clojurebot	compojure is a concise web framework inspired by Sinatra
16:19	jackdempsey	http://github.com/technomancy/compojure/tree/master
16:19	jackdempsey	hahah
16:19	jackdempsey	thx bot
16:20	technomancy	oh... don't trust my fork!
16:20	jackdempsey	i'm posting some json and doing something a bit wrong with params, so was just looking around
16:20	jackdempsey	haha, ah ok
16:20	technomancy	I haven't used it since like January
16:20	jackdempsey	ah i see
16:20	jackdempsey	your readme is so much nicer tho :-)
16:20	technomancy	heh; really?
16:21	jackdempsey	yeah, you actually ahve examples and stuff
16:21	jackdempsey	weavejester should pull it in
16:21	technomancy	well not if the examples are out of date. =)
16:21	hiredman	I think the mainline was being rewritten to build on top of ring?
16:22	technomancy	the only thing I added to compojure was the html5 doctype. =)
16:22	hiredman	compojure.org is very, uh, sparse
16:23	jackdempsey	cool hiredman, looked at ring as well
16:23	jackdempsey	will be interested to see where it goes
16:37	jackdempsey	so 'show' from contrib shows info about the java aspect of something, right?
16:37	jackdempsey	is there a way to take something, say a float, and see what methods i can call on it?
16:38	jackdempsey	kind of thought that's what show was for but appears i was mistaken
16:38	jackdempsey	clojure methods that is...just realized i can add a dot to the beginning of what i see from show and make the call to java which is useful...
16:49	technomancy	it's conventional to capitalize gen-classed java classes, right?
16:50	Chouser	I think so. I don't think - are allowed
16:57	hiredman	,(Character/isJavaIdnetifierStart \-)
16:57	clojurebot	java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No matching method: isJavaIdnetifierStart
16:57	hiredman	,(Character/isJavaIdentifierStart \-)
16:57	clojurebot	false
16:58	hiredman	,(Character/isJavaIdentifierPart \-)
16:58	clojurebot	false
16:58	hiredman	:\|
16:59	jackdempsey	i have a function that alters a ref..."add-channel"...is it more common to put the do-sync inside that function or outside?
16:59	technomancy	jackdempsey: depends on what you need it to be synchronized with
16:59	jackdempsey	hmm ok
17:00	technomancy	(if you need unsynchronized mutability, use an atom instead of a ref)
17:00	jackdempsey	yeah, pretty simple scenario
17:00	jackdempsey	(def db (ref {:channels #{}, :subscribers {}}))
17:00	jackdempsey	just need to add to that on certain http requests
17:01	jackdempsey	no deletes for now...so maybe an atom makes more sense then?
17:02	jackdempsey	hmm, says atoms are for uncoordinated synchronous changes
17:02	jackdempsey	just trying to get my terminology right :-)
17:02	technomancy	right; in those terms you need to ask if that change needs to be coordinated with others.
17:02	jackdempsey	yea, ok cool
17:03	jackdempsey	yea i think the answer is a no then
17:06	jackdempsey	probalby would be good to implement this with all three varieties..
17:07	jackdempsey	back to the higher level question though, i think i see what you mean about what needs to be synched
17:07	jackdempsey	if you have a couple pieces that all need to run in the same transaction, then a dosync around all three would be necessary
17:08	jackdempsey	if i can do what i need inside one method that does a simple alter, and i'm just throwing a dosync in there to get it to work, maybe an atom could work as well....
17:09	technomancy	exactly; no need to pull in the STM if you don't need the promises it provides.
17:09	jackdempsey	yep.
17:10	jackdempsey	ah, these rusty gears in my skull need oil. been a while since i've had to think. damn web development ;-)
17:12	technomancy	heh. well STM is a sexy tool. =)
17:15	jackdempsey	heh
17:20	achim	hi all!
17:20	achim	given a class name (string), is there a way if that would resolve to a currently imported class?
17:21	achim	^ is there a way to see if that...
17:22	achim	ah, plus the class name is unqualified
17:23	hiredman	,(class (resolve (symbol "String")))
17:23	clojurebot	java.lang.Class
17:24	hiredman	,(class (resolve (symbol "NotAString")))
17:24	clojurebot	nil
17:25	achim	hiredman: thanks!
17:50	technomancy	just committed functionality to swank-clojure to search the classpath for a class and insert import statements for it
17:50	technomancy	feedback welcome: http://github.com/technomancy/swank-clojure/tree/master
17:50	hornbeck	nice
17:51	technomancy	it inserts a new import line every time you run it; not smart enough to combine them yet
17:52	durka421	awesome
17:52	technomancy	but it beats using unix find for .class files. =)
17:53	technomancy	durka42: well I stole it from http://dishevelled.net/Generating-Clojure-import-lines-using-SLIME.html (after asking of course.)
17:54	durka42	indeed, he has something very similar to my "smuggler" in his user.clj code
18:57	Raynes	Holy shit. I just realized that after using XMonad for any length of time, I literally can't work with Compiz at all.
18:58	Chousuke	can't? :/
18:59	Raynes	I feel so out of it in Compiz.
18:59	Chousuke	is it like getting used to vimperator and becoming uncomfortable using any other browser on the planet?
19:00	Raynes	I guess...
19:01	Chousuke	I would like to dump firefox but so long as there's no Webkit-based vimperator clone for OS X I'm unable to do so :P
19:02	Chousuke	FF is good enough as of 3.5 anyway
19:49	drewr	have you guys tried running swank/start-server from outside emacs?
19:52	drewr	clojure.core/*3 is unbound
19:57	technomancy	drewr: thought about it. would love to hear if you figure it out. =)
20:00	drewr	it's odd because in dothread-keeping-clj where the expanded code generates the exception, *3 gets loaded as part of ns-publics
20:10	drewr	ah, got it
20:19	drewr	http://github.com/drewr/swank-clojure/commit/03158e47d9e8e18dfc5af9d61cd4f73cf7edfa36
20:20	drewr	think I'll redo that with a regexp instead
20:22	drewr	the asterisks just make it so ugly
20:24	drewr	http://github.com/drewr/swank-clojure/commit/99628e5f4ab9e46e4b8d30ad5380e96b86358e5a
20:29	mblinn	is there a way to do forward declarations in the ns or do you just use declare?
20:29	mblinn	hmm
20:29	mblinn	extra the in here
20:29	mblinn	there
20:30	replaca__	mblinn: declare is the way to do forward decls
20:30	replaca__	mblinn: this is a subject of constant discussion, but that's the way it is
20:31	mblinn	okay was just curious since you seem to be able to do all the other housekeeping type stuff in ns
20:31	mblinn	thanks
20:42	technomancy	drewr: that code is a little weird
20:42	technomancy	lots of unnecessary type hints
20:43	technomancy	mblinn: that's not a bad idea; seems like it would look cleaner that way
20:43	mblinn	yeah it's a little cosmetic thing
20:47	drewr	technomancy: yep
20:48	JAS415	i get this error: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.NullPointerException (repl-1:7)
20:48	JAS415	is there any way to make it more descriptive
20:48	JAS415	it really isn't helping me figure outwhat is going on
20:50	hiredman	you are doing something you shouldn't with nil
20:51	JAS415	sure that's reasonable
20:51	JAS415	but like in CL i get a whole long stack trace
20:52	hiredman	oh
20:52	hiredman	you want the full stacktrace
20:52	hiredman	(.printStackTrace *e)
20:53	JAS415	ah sweet
20:53	JAS415	that will make this much easier
20:57	technomancy	has anyone actually used the mstor library?
20:57	technomancy	I don't mean anyone in here, I mean anyone anywhere...
20:59	durka42	JAS415: also, clojure.contrib.stacktrace/print-cause-trace
21:08	JAS415	very nice, exactly what i'm looking for
22:33	something	is there a way to get the string value of a keyword without colon? basically opposite of keyword
22:35	Chouser	,(name :foo)
22:36	something	Chouser: ah, yes. thanks
22:41	kmartin	Hi, anyone know if there is a reason the function "reverse" is not lazy?
22:41	Chouser	kmartin: how could it be?
22:42	Chouser	the first item it returns is the last of the input seq, so it's got to get to the last of the input seq first, which forces the whole thing.
22:43	gstamp	Anyone know of a decent web based IRC client? I'm behind a proxy here. I'm currently using http://webchat.freenode.net/ but it tends to hang silently.
22:43	kmartin	I was assuming that it could be done with a closure, but I see what you are saying. Thanks.
22:50	drewr	technomancy: ran into other problems
22:53	drewr	haven't figured out how these bindings work
23:11	technomancy	drewr: =\
23:20	lisppaste8	technomancy pasted "with-preserving-file macro" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/83209
23:20	technomancy	any idea why that macro fails when AOT'd but seems to work from the repl?
23:24	drewr	hm, similar issue I'm seeing with swank
23:25	drewr	mine's not with compilation though
23:26	Chouser	'if' isn't a var (anymore)
23:27	durka42	,if
23:27	durka42	in my repl that gives var unbound
23:29	Chouser	I get "Unable to resolve"
23:29	technomancy	Chouser: is the usage in that macro such that it expects it to be a var?
23:29	Chouser	(resolve 'if) returns nil
23:31	Chouser	I don't see anything wrong with your usage, but exception seems to indicate it thought it was a var. or something. odd.
23:37	technomancy	it's gone now... I'm using the exact same code (checked in). =\
23:37	Chouser	maybe just needed a clean re-compile?
23:37	technomancy	I guess so
23:56	Knekk	can't get to the clojure google groups pages.. bleh
23:56	Knekk	ah there we are