#clojure – 2017-01-07

2017-01-07

00:28	sobel	tensorflow is pretty neat. i heard google's vector processors can run TF models 10x faster than the best GPUs, so running models on their cloud is pretty advantageous
02:16	domgetter	Is there a data structure in Clojure that I can push to both sides of?
02:24	hiredman	https://github.com/pjstadig/deque-clojure
02:43	TEttinger	,(doto java.util.ArrayDeque. (.addFirst 6) (.addFirst 5) (.addLast 7)) ;; not necessarily a good option, but an option
02:43	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "java.util.ArrayDeque."\n :via\n [{:type clojure.lang.Compiler$CompilerException\n :message "java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: java.util.ArrayDeque., compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)"\n :at [clojure.lang.Compiler analyze "Compiler.java" 6719]}\n {:type java.lang.ClassNotFoundException\n :message "java.util.ArrayDeque."\n :at [java.net.URLClassLoader$1 run "URLClassLoader.j...
02:43	TEttinger	,(doto (java.util.ArrayDeque.) (.addFirst 6) (.addFirst 5) (.addLast 7)) ;; not necessarily a good option, but an option
02:43	clojurebot	#object[java.util.ArrayDeque 0x6e40a8fb "[5, 6, 7]"]
02:47	domgetter	awesome, thank you
02:47	domgetter	It's not for production, it's just for a proof-of-concept mandelbrot viewer
02:50	domgetter	Any idea why (.repaint canvas) isn't repainting until a while loop is finished? The println's next to it are printing to the console, but the canvas isn't repainting
02:51	domgetter	https://gist.github.com/domgetter/12415657b9acb2494fa7271860301a0d#file-core-clj-L187
02:57	domgetter	nvm, apparently repaint doesn't guarantee a refresh.
03:58	amalloy	domgetter: don't tie up the event dispatch thread. nothing in the UI can change while you're handling an event
03:59	amalloy	if you have expensive computations to do, you do it on a different thread
04:00	domgetter	amalloy the first version of the fractal viewer draws the whole thing as soon as possible. This version is me wanting to "see" the progress as chunks are finished recursively
04:01	amalloy	right. so you start a threat to compute a new chunk, and once you have a chunk ready you insert an event on the dispatch thread that renders it
04:01	domgetter	oh, you're saying I shouldn't be coupling computation to rendering
04:03	amalloy	indeed. rendering is time-sensitive
06:27	jonathanj	jeaye: that's sort of actively discouraged
06:27	jonathanj	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyLBGkS5ICk if you want to know a bit about why
06:28	dysfun	technomancy: julia is a bit of a strange beast though. i was initially very in favour, but after a certain amount of use i realised it's got a while to go before it's useful
06:30	dysfun	python is pretty much the language to learn about anything like machine learning these days. not so much useful material for other langs
06:59	domgetter	amalloy: It's already going quite a bit faster! https://i.gyazo.com/b62965215fbd81d9dedcf6bc4a3670d6.gif
08:38	dysfun	how do i compare the value of a var against a keyword in selmer?
08:41	dysfun	oh, {% ifequal foo :bar %}
09:30	lasse_	Hey. I'm reading this tutorial about using clojure, postgresql, compojure to make a small blog.
09:30	lasse_	https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/clojure-web-application
09:31	lasse_	My question is about keys and binds in general. The tutorial has a db-table "shouts" which they use in queries like so:
09:32	lasse_	(defn all [] (into [] (sql/query spec ["select * from shouts order by id desc"])))
09:32	lasse_	Which is straight-forward.
09:32	lasse_	And inserting is handled like:
09:32	lasse_	(defn create [shout] (sql/insert! spec :shouts [:body] [shout]))
09:33	lasse_	I don't like how the name of the table is hardcoded in the query-string, so thought about using (str "select * from" table-name)
09:33	lasse_	But how can I change the use of the key ":shouts" in the insert-function?
09:34	dysfun	add another parameter?
09:34	dysfun	(defn create [shouts key] ...)
09:34	dysfun	there is no mystical magical binding going on, they are just data passed as parameters
09:35	lasse_	Oh yeah. Thanks. How about defining a global (def table-name "shouts") and referring to that?
09:35	dysfun	the only bindings your example uses is the parameter 'shout' to the create function
09:35	dysfun	we don't much like globals
09:36	dysfun	i understand why you want to do this, but it's not a good idea
09:36	dysfun	writing sql works great until you want to change the queries
09:37	dysfun	i'd suggest using a library to generate the queries at this point to avoid getting it wrong
09:37	zilti	What is the boot equivalent of lein's :java-source-paths? I have a java file in my sources, but I can't access the class from Clojure whatsoever.
09:38	dysfun	zilti: the same as for your clojure sources
09:38	lasse_	Anything you can recommend? I'm not really a fan of ORMs because I've experienced problems with the queries that gets generated (fx for joins).
09:38	dysfun	working with java is a bit sensitive to ordering of things
09:38	zilti	dysfun: So, :source-paths? Because that way, it compiles on "boot javac", but I still can't access it
09:38	dysfun	it's not just putting (javac) before running your clojure tests
09:39	dysfun	what cannot access it?
09:39	dysfun	what is the process you are trying to make succeed?
09:39	zilti	I can't (:import namespace.MyJavaClass)
09:39	dysfun	lasse_: we don't do ORMs, we do query builders. korma is probably flexible enough for your needs
09:39	zilti	It says it cannot find that class.
09:40	dysfun	from where? the repl? a test?
09:40	zilti	A repl. Also, it's of course not possible to run the application via task since I can't import the class in build.boot either
09:41	dysfun	repl might be slightly more of a challenge, but tests should be easy enough
09:42	dysfun	my test task just adds "test" to source-paths and runs (javac) before (test)
09:42	zilti	So basically, the class isn't going to change much, it's just a wrapper subclassing a java class and handing the class variables to a clojure fn.
09:42	zilti	As long as I can access it anytime I don't care if I have to manually recompile it on the rare occasion.
09:43	dysfun	okay, well try and get it going in your tests first
09:43	zilti	I don't even have tests yet though ^^ It's mainly to try out how I can get this to work
09:43	dysfun	if you can get that working, it might just be as simple as boot javac repl
09:55	vdmit11	Hey guys, since clojure.spec is buzzing around, I have a little question. I would like to define specs for protocol methods. That is, when I use `defprotocol`, I would like to define some specs for the methods of this protocol. And I would like these specs to be checked automatically in runtime. So whenever I call the method, I would like some validation to be performed in runtime. And I would not like to do the validation manually in every implementation
09:55	vdmit11	So I would like to have a modified `defprotocol` macro or something that will instrument all methods to perform checks whenever I call the method. Is this possible?
09:56	dysfun	you can't
09:56	dysfun	two workarounds that i see:
09:56	justin_smith	protocol methods are 100% abstract
09:56	dysfun	1. write functions that wrap the methods, doing the checks in those
09:56	dysfun	2. use a multimethod, where you will be able to execute a spec check before it is run
09:58	vdmit11	Yeah, I noticed :pre/:post in multimethods, but I think that protocols are more handy for me. Because I have a lot of value objects (records) in may code, and it is super-handy to extend them with implementations of various protocols.
09:59	dysfun	sure, but it's easy with multimethods too
10:01	dysfun	it also has the advantage that it's actually possible with multimethods ;)
10:01	vdmit11	Maybe this is just a personal preference. In my opinion protocols provide more "documentation" of what operations are available on some kind of objects, so they somehow cleaner. Multimethods are good when you have a huge number of implementations of the single method, while protocols look better when you have not just one, but a bunch of coupled methods, and not that many implementations of them.
10:02	dysfun	"it depends"
10:02	vdmit11	yeah
10:02	dysfun	in practice, i prefer multimethods and use protocols when i'm performance gaming
10:02	vdmit11	specs look very attractive as contracts
10:02	dysfun	indeed they are
10:03	vdmit11	so maybe I'll reconsider my approach
10:03	dysfun	if you are adamant on using protocols, i'd recommend doing what cljs does
10:03	dysfun	for example deref calls -deref (which is a method of protocol IDeref)
10:04	vdmit11	yeah, this is the thing I wanted to point out about functions... if you define a wrapper function around the method, you have to prefix all these methods
10:05	vdmit11	looks a bit dirty
10:06	vdmit11	but maybe I could implement a custom defprotocol/extend macros that work in pair and hide away this name mangling
10:07	vdmit11	ok, thanks
10:07	dysfun	you might be overengineering it
10:07	dysfun	and you risk obscuring a well known pattern
10:09	vdmit11	well, you see, I also would like to use specs together with deftype/defrecord to describe the data contained in my objects
10:09	vdmit11	so I anyways need some set of helper macros
10:10	vdmit11	maybe I can live with methods prefixed with the dash sign
10:11	vdmit11	but I think I'll stick with records and protocols and a bunch of helper macros
10:11	vdmit11	thanks for the discussion anyway
10:11	dysfun	cool
10:12	osfameron	protocols are oddly disappointing in several ways
10:12	osfameron	but I do like the way that they "tag" the data
10:13	dysfun	i think they serve their purpose adequately
10:13	osfameron	sure
10:13	justin_smith	osfameron: what do you mean by tag the data?
10:13	dysfun	they are just post-extensible interfaces
10:13	osfameron	justin_smith: instead of being a map, it's a map with a type
10:14	justin_smith	osfameron: what 0 or more types
10:14	justin_smith	for a record, that is
10:14	justin_smith	a protocol is just one of those types
10:14	osfameron	sorry yes, I'm confusing protocol and record :-(
10:14	dysfun	a protocol does tag the type with something, but only (satisfies? proto-name thing) finds it of use
10:14	justin_smith	I've used records for debugging - so that I could identify who created a given item in the profiler
10:15	dysfun	just add a key?
10:15	osfameron	(I'm using them kinda in sync)
10:15	justin_smith	dysfun: the profiler doesn't show keys very readily
10:15	dysfun	i have really gone off records in the general case
10:15	justin_smith	but it does show the class quite readily
10:15	dysfun	ah
10:17	osfameron	I kinda want ADTs... I know there are extensions to get them, but there's no point working against the language, especially while you're learning
10:17	vdmit11	One more little question: is there some standard protocol or maybe an interface that I can use to implement math functions (like + and -) for my custom data types?
10:18	justin_smith	+ and - are not abstract
10:18	justin_smith	intentionally, for performance
10:18	vdmit11	but the Java method dispatch is almost free, isn't it?
10:18	justin_smith	not cheap enough for the raw math
10:19	justin_smith	or so the implementors of clojure decided at least
10:20	osfameron	and there's no standard (with-abstract-maths) macro that rewrites e.g + into an abstract +' function? ;-P
10:20	vdmit11	ok, I expected that you have abstract versions by default, and provide some performance-oriented versions in addition (like the unchecked- functions are implemented)
10:24	dysfun	osfameron: i want ADTs too. but in clojure i settle for maps with a key
10:24	dysfun	and i use spec to make sure they're valid
10:25	osfameron	and one day spec will have a tutorial I can understand, and I'll use it too
10:25	dysfun	anyone know how to make boot do things like "copy the build artifact into this directory, git commit and git push"?
10:44	Empperi	dysfun: can't remember how but yeah, that's possible
10:45	dysfun	well of course it is :)
10:45	dysfun	as ever with boot, it's just more complex than it needs to be
10:59	osfameron	more complex because of its design?
10:59	dysfun	yes
10:59	osfameron	ah, so not just the lack of docs and supplied tasks
11:00	dysfun	anyway, you won't be surprised to hear i now have a shell script with a big case statement
11:00	osfameron	\o/
11:00	dysfun	because life's too fucking short
11:01	osfameron	the basic idea of middleware and pipelines sounds sensible enough... but the extent of my tweaking so far is to add `(test)` to the build task generated by boot-new...
11:01	dysfun	oh sure, i buy the theory
11:01	dysfun	but build is where i want tooling to just work, and boot rarely does
11:01	osfameron	it it worth persevering with?
11:02	dysfun	consequently i copy and paste bits from files like it's 2005
11:02	osfameron	$boss pointed us at it because "it's more modern than leiningen"
11:02	dysfun	boot is more powerful than leiningen
11:02	osfameron	and I'm using it at home purely because might be useful for work
11:02	dysfun	while i don't like boot, i do grudgingly use it because it's powerful
11:02	dysfun	i don't use leiningen at all for my own projects
11:03	dysfun	made the switch a couple of years ago
11:04	osfameron	ah. interestingly, I got the feeling that people actually liked lein?
11:04	dysfun	oh yes, if it solves your problem, it's generally likeable
11:05	dysfun	i think only a handful of people like boot, but god is it useful
11:05	osfameron	as the only thing I want it to do is run tests, build a jar, run a repl, and create a new project, boot handles all of those things (except the last one)
11:06	dysfun	you lack imagination so far
11:06	osfameron	(yes, I know about boot-new. I enjoy googling for it every time I need it ;-)
11:06	dysfun	that's trivially wrappable with a shell script though
11:07	dysfun	you don't have to forget the old ways just because you use a lisp, you know
11:07	osfameron	sure. googling is also one of the old ways I guess
11:07	dysfun	definitely
11:07	osfameron	I'm sure one day I'll think of something else to do with a build system
11:07	dysfun	and i don't know how i'd program clojure if i weren't over 9000 in googling
11:10	TimMc	dysfun: When do you drop back to makefiles?
11:11	dysfun	when i want the built in mtime checks
11:11	dysfun	but yes, that would be just as easy
11:58	justin_smith	why not just split calculating dependencies vs. build logic? almost makes sense
12:03	osfameron	damn all this thinking. I now have a better idea for a data structure having already written lots of code :-(
12:09	dysfun	damnit, anyone good at css?
12:18	ragepandemic	Is there any guide explaining how to add a plain react library (E.g. for file uploads) to reagent?
12:33	dysfun	oh hey ragepandemic, i deployed my first rum app today
12:33	dysfun	a few minutes ago, in fact
12:36	ragepandemic	dysfun, I tried rum last night and me and tolstoy had a long discussion about it
12:36	ragepandemic	I couldn't get it to work with :did-mount, for some reason that behaviour was broken on my system
12:37	ragepandemic	which is annoying because it seems like a great library
12:40	justin_smith	oh, they call it :did-mount instead of :component-did-mount ?
12:42	dysfun	yes, rum is very into short names
12:42	dysfun	no argument from me
12:47	ragepandemic	so, the problem was that the :did-mount mixins return value was ignored. i thought it might be the CLJS version, but nah
12:55	ragepandemic	anyway, here's the code https://www.refheap.com/124527 I thought you might know since you're a "rum guy"
12:59	ragepandemic	congrats on your deploy by the way, can we see it?
13:15	jeaye	jonathanj: I've seen that talk and I don't think it applies.
13:15	jeaye	I was worried that my question might be interpreted as such.
13:15	jeaye	I'm not asking the common question of "How can I verify that my map _only_ has these keys?" I'm asking "How can I verify that my map has anything _but_ this key?"
13:16	jeaye	That doesn't violate Rich's proposal, in the talk, the way I see it.
13:16	dysfun	ragepandemic: the rum bit is private, i'm afraid
13:17	dysfun	i use rum quite simply i'm afraid, i'm not the best to help with all the lifecycle stuff
13:17	ragepandemic	ah, shame. so, any conclusions? rum vs reagent?
13:17	dysfun	well i never liked reagent at all, so yes
13:18	ragepandemic	how do you architect your frontend apps? redux/re-frame style?
13:18	dysfun	okay, 'at all' might be a little strong, i found it too limiting
13:18	dysfun	i have a single source of truth atom and everything is just subatoms into it
13:19	dysfun	everything is wrapped into reusable components and reused
13:19	dysfun	i have things like a reorderable list that allows insertion of a new item at any point
13:20	ragepandemic	are subatoms conceptually similar to cursors?
13:21	dysfun	er they even call them cursors
13:22	ragepandemic	and how do you modify the app state? with events?
13:22	dysfun	ragepandemic: okay, your bugs is that ::time is an atom
13:23	dysfun	so mix in @ or rum/react as appropriate
13:23	ragepandemic	so I should be doing @(::time state)?
13:23	dysfun	(i think)
13:23	dysfun	yes
13:24	ragepandemic	alright, let me try
13:24	dysfun	oh hang on
13:24	ragepandemic	nope, its a null value
13:24	dysfun	sorry, i thought you were using (rum/local
13:24	dysfun	which well, i'm not sure why you're not
13:25	dysfun	i hate frontend
13:25	ragepandemic	ok, i think I know why. on-js-reload wasn't called on init
13:26	ragepandemic	or it was, but it wasn't called twice?
13:26	ragepandemic	I mean, it only works when I call (on-js-reload) again
13:26	ragepandemic	even though its already called once
13:27	ragepandemic	so this fixes it https://www.refheap.com/124528
13:28	dysfun	that's a bit fugly
13:28	ragepandemic	yea, that's not a fix
13:29	ragepandemic	it should work on first call, right?
13:29	ragepandemic	The first time it just renders "The mount time is:" with no datetime
13:30	dysfun	well, if you made it a state atom that was reactive and updated it on mount, that would work better
13:30	ragepandemic	true, but I was following the readme
13:30	dysfun	the readme could be better
13:30	ragepandemic	https://github.com/tonsky/rum#writing-your-own-mixin
13:30	ragepandemic	4th example down
13:31	ragepandemic	its a bug though, right?
13:31	dysfun	no idea, far too tired to think properly
13:32	ragepandemic	eh, i'll continue using reagent for now
13:35	ragepandemic	thanks for your help
13:37	dysfun	yw
14:13	jonathanj	jeaye: i think it's more or less the same thing, isn't it?
14:42	jeaye	jonathanj: Not at all. What Rich is speaking against is preventing the growth of code, and data, by limiting the shape of it to a specific key set. I'm talking about unrestricted growth of data, with the knowledge that a certain key will never be present.
14:43	jeaye	I think they're fundamentally different. How else would you write the :ret spec for something like dissoc? It's the input map, guaranteed to not have the specified key; it can have anything else though.
15:35	TimMc	I should watch the spec keynote. The inability to forbid keys is one of the reasons I haven't bothered to pick up spec.
15:36	TimMc	I want to protect against misspelling an optional key, basically.
15:42	vdmit11	well, a custom predicate function may be used to ensure that all keys belong to some pre-defined set of keys
15:43	vdmit11	so it is possible to forbid keys, but there is no first-citizen support for this
17:18	jeaye	TimMc: It's not an inability, as vdmit11 mentioned; it's quite simple, actually. There's just no built-in support for it.
17:19	jeaye	(s/def ::without-foo #(not (contains? % :foo))) ; does the trick
17:22	dysfun	which doesn't fit the states use case (key misspellings)
17:26	jeaye	dysfun: As the one who originally brought up the use case, which was not anything to do with misspelling, it absolutely does fit it.
17:26	dysfun	sorry, i mean timmc's stated use case
17:27	dysfun	i didn't read quite far back enough to see your use case
17:27	jeaye	Ah, right.
17:27	jeaye	I was looking to spec a function similar to dissoc, where I just want to convey that the output map would be anything without a specific key.
17:28	dysfun	not a chance :)
17:28	dysfun	not for the general case anyway
17:29	TEttinger	,(let [ugly {Double/NaN :a (/ 0.0 0.0) :b}] ugly)
17:29	clojurebot	{NaN :a, NaN :b}
17:29	jeaye	dysfun: This isn't a general case.
17:29	TEttinger	,(let [ugly {Double/NaN :a (/ 0.0 0.0) :b}] (dissoc ugly Double/NaN))
17:29	clojurebot	{NaN :a, NaN :b}
17:29	jeaye	dysfun: The spec I laid out above is exactly what matches my case.
17:29	dysfun	ah okay
17:29	dysfun	in that case, great :)
17:29	jeaye	(defn clean-internal [data] (dissoc data ::internal)) ; basically
17:31	osfameron	what are the double-colon keywords used for?
17:32	jeaye	osfameron: They're fully-namespaced, which helps with cleanliness and prevents collisions.
17:33	jeaye	::foo may expand to :my.ns/foo if I'm in my.ns
17:33	jeaye	It also works with required aliases, so I can (require '[foo.bar :as bar]) and then ::bar/spam to get :foo.bar/spam
17:34	osfameron	ah
17:35	osfameron	I've not seen a need to namespace keywords yet, will try to remember that for when I do :D
17:35	dysfun	well if you're using spec, you will
17:35	dysfun	oddly enough the reader got some namespaced keyword related adjustments in in the 1.9 series
17:37	osfameron	yeah, I've seen :: in the spec docs, but as those make my eyes glaze over, I hadn't figured out what they were for ;-)
17:37	jeaye	osfameron: Outside of spec, they're good to describing ownership of data. With normal keywords, anything goes, but dependencies are much more explicit with namesapced keywords.
17:38	dysfun	note that i still haven't fully drunk the namespaced keywords koolaid
17:38	dysfun	i am much more inclined to use :req-un than :req
17:39	osfameron	right, after I've done my lambdalounge talk in a few weeks, I'll give spec another go
17:40	osfameron	I got really grumpy about the docs being full of meaningless waffle and not enough examples
17:40	dysfun	oh, will you be boring people about haskell?
17:40	osfameron	I suspect that will get better when spec gets stable?
17:40	osfameron	nope, clojure examples. data structures for text editors
17:40	dysfun	"docs will get better when clojure gets more stable"
17:41	osfameron	this is the talk synopsis: https://github.com/RickMoynihan/lambdalounge-website/pull/1
17:41	osfameron	heh, no. which is why I might as well try to stop being grumpy and see if I can figure anything out despite the docs...
17:41	osfameron	but I have enough on my plate for a few weeks
17:41	dysfun	well, i did a launch today
17:42	osfameron	woo
17:42	dysfun	and fuck, the prod build is insanely faster than the dev one
17:42	osfameron	yay
17:42	dysfun	i have now filled my frontend hump and wish to not do any frontend for the rest of the year
17:57	jeaye	In two current ~2K line projects, I'm using namespaced keywords everywhere in one and nowhere in the other. When comparing, I very much prefer the former.
17:58	dysfun	interesting
17:58	dysfun	i'm only using namespaces for specs, and keys in spec maps i'm stripping the namespace with :req-un
18:06	machinewar	any core function that does opposite of ffirst, looking for something like (comp last last)
18:06	machinewar	I really want to get the value in a 1 element map
18:07	machinewar	(llast {:name "foo"})
18:11	WhiskyRyan	How can I create an empty collection of type x, where x is a var containing a collection of an unknown type?
18:11	justin_smith	machinewar: I would use (comp val first) - at least that makes it clear you are getting something out of a hash entry
18:11	ridcully_	WhiskyRyan: empty
18:12	machinewar	true
18:12	machinewar	thanks that makes sense
18:13	WhiskyRyan	ridcully: That was easy... ha. Thanks!
18:13	WhiskyRyan	ridcully_: That was easy... ha. Thanks!
20:06	TimMc	,{(rand) :a (rand) :b} ^_^
20:06	clojurebot	#<IllegalArgumentException java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Duplicate key: (rand)>
20:10	scriptor	,(defn f [x] (rand))
20:10	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "SANBOX DENIED"\n :via\n [{:type java.lang.Exception\n :message "SANBOX DENIED"\n :at [clojure.core$eval29$fn__30$fn__43 invoke "NO_SOURCE_FILE" -1]}]\n :trace\n [[clojure.core$eval29$fn__30$fn__43 invoke "NO_SOURCE_FILE" -1]\n [clojure.core$eval29$fn__30 invoke "NO_SOURCE_FILE" 0]\n [clojure.core$eval29 invokeStatic "NO_SOURCE_FILE" 0]\n [clojure.core$eval29 invoke "NO_SO...
20:10	scriptor	{(rand 2) :a (rand 4) :b}
20:10	scriptor	,{(rand 2) :a (rand 4) :b}
20:10	clojurebot	{1.8215813500926088 :a, 3.8151065102200437 :b}
20:11	TimMc	,{(identity (rand)) :a (rand) :b} Or just this.
20:11	clojurebot	{0.7840885619436757 :a, 0.5429409650182597 :b}
20:11	justin_smith	,{(rand 1N) :a (rand 1) :a}
20:11	clojurebot	#<IllegalArgumentException java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Duplicate key: (rand 1N)>
20:11	justin_smith	woah!
20:11	TimMc	,(= 1 1N)
20:11	clojurebot	true
20:12	justin_smith	,(type 1N)
20:12	clojurebot	clojure.lang.BigInt
20:12	justin_smith	it mist just check equality of keys at read time
20:13	scriptor	looks like it
20:13	scriptor	,(hash-map (rand) 1 (rand) 2)
20:13	clojurebot	{0.17756123528665302 2, 0.26561328496261327 1}
20:36	WhiskyRyan	Is there a function to do: "hello" -> ("h" "e" "l" "l" "o") ?
20:37	ridcully_	,#:foo{(rand) :a (rand) :b}
20:37	clojurebot	{0.7513892950513176 :b}
20:37	ridcully_	,(seq "hello")
20:37	clojurebot	(\h \e \l \l \o)
20:37	justin_smith	,(map str "hello")
20:37	clojurebot	("h" "e" "l" "l" "o")
20:37	ridcully_	oh you want strings
20:38	WhiskyRyan	there we go... map str... thanks