#clojure – 2016-04-04

2016-04-04

00:00	TEttinger	two nested vectors since you used conj to add a new element instead of concat to append a collection
00:00	user_	ah
00:00	user_	makes sense
00:00	TEttinger	,(let [listInput [{:paths [[:node 1, :cost 1], [:node 2, :cost 2]]},{:paths [[:node 2, :cost 1], [:node 3, :cost 2]]},{:paths [[:node 0 :cost 1], [:node 1, :cost 2]]}] ] listInput) ; this is what gave 2
00:00	clojurebot	[{:paths [[:node 1 :cost 1] [:node 2 :cost 2]]} {:paths [[:node 2 :cost 1] [:node 3 :cost 2]]} {:paths [[:node 0 :cost 1] [:node 1 :cost 2]]}]
00:01	TEttinger	,(let [listInput [] listInput (concat listInput [{:paths [[:node 1, :cost 1], [:node 2, :cost 2]]},{:paths [[:node 2, :cost 1], [:node 3, :cost 2]]},{:paths [[:node 0 :cost 1], [:node 1, :cost 2]]}])] (print (count (:paths(nth listInput 1)))))
00:01	clojurebot	2
00:01	TEttinger	conj to concat works in your existing code
00:01	TEttinger	you were 3 characters off, that's all!
00:07	user_	TEttinger, lol
00:07	user_	Any good Clojure games worthwhile to play?
00:08	user_	Even ones written in Clojurescript
00:23	libertytrader	I have two collection of maps of the same type... i want to merge them. Do I have to convert one to a seq and then I can use conj?
00:23	libertytrader	or do i have to map conj over the seq or something?
00:27	libertytrader	oh concat sweet
00:31	tolstoy	Is there a handy function to remove a matching element from a vector?
00:33	dpzmick	tolstoy: https://clojuredocs.org/clojure.core/filterv
00:34	tolstoy	Alas. Nothing as clean is disj, eh? ;)
00:34	tolstoy	Anyway, thanks!
02:08	tolstoy	Oh, my: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTArJBycP4Y (Beethoven Sympony 3 graphically presented.)
02:09	libertytrader	I have a problem... when I type "lein run" my app works
02:09	libertytrader	but the standalone uberjar does not work
02:09	libertytrader	no printf output
02:09	libertytrader	anyone have any ideas
02:10	cwgem\|mac	Any good way to get the Clojure source with the various stdlib packages included? It seems like I have to download almost the entire clojure GitHub org repos to achieve that
02:10	tolstoy	In project.clj, make sure :main is set to the namespace of your project.
02:44	libertytrader	tolstoy cwgem\|mac the problem was i needed to call flush
03:24	slester_	quick question, is there any reason jdbc's query function would require a lazyseq?
03:25	hiredman	what do you mean by require?
03:25	slester_	err, return. sorry. late.
03:26	hiredman	query's return value isn't actually lazy by default, query calls doall on it
03:26	slester_	I'm doing a (str (j/query db ["select * from table"])) thing and it prints out LazySeq
03:26	hiredman	the type is LazySeq, but by default the seq is entirely realized
03:28	hiredman	seqs are sort like an iterator in java in that they represent a traversal of something
03:28	hiredman	so query is return a traversal over the results of the query
03:28	slester_	sorry, there's also a :row-fn :name in there
03:28	hiredman	which makes so much sense that I bet whoever wrote it didn't even think about it
03:29	hiredman	(if your question is "what is the
03:30	hiredman	so if your question is literally "what is the reason it returns a seq" the answer is basically "that is the default stance of a clojure programmer"
03:32	hiredman	if you question is "how do I get a readable printing of a seq" the answer is actually "str doesn't always return readable things, it just calls .toString, if you want to get readable things use the pr and prn family of functions"
03:33	slester_	the latter was it, thanks, I expected str to do the same thing as print
03:33	hiredman	not print, pr
03:34	slester_	well, in my function I had (let [x (j/query..)] (print x) x) and it printed out things
03:34	slester_	but I was doing (str "stuff:" (the-fn)) and it did not do what I thought it would do
08:09	Lewix	morning
08:36	irctc	Hi There
08:37	irctc	I am new to clojure and need some help in writing a clojure code to get data from json payload and send an email to interested parties
08:38	faxmodem	irctc: what did you try?
08:38	irctc	Need help in converting json payload which is non repeating into data structure
08:38	faxmodem	irctc: there's a lib for that I've used some time ago
08:38	faxmodem	cheshire or something
08:38	ridcully	irctc: do you have any specific problems to share? e.g. some code snippet + errors on some paste-site?
08:38	MJB47_	cheshire is the json goto i think
08:39	irctc	ya I have
08:39	irctc	{ "apiVersion": "1.0", "messageId": "305536b9-36cf-4781-91d3-0a0600b30101", "timestamp": 1459082055277, "testEvent": false, "projectId": "vof_pratima-hello-world", "events": [ { "eventId": "REVIEW", "projectId": "vof_pratima-hello-world", "timestamp": 1459082038, "data": { "review": { "id": 27, "title": "test", "created": 1459082037700, "modified":
08:39	ridcully	please don't paste into irc. a) it cuts off your text, b) if you paste much the server might kill you because of flooding
08:39	irctc	I want to send email to the to email value
08:40	irctc	{ "apiVersion": "1.0", "messageId": "305536b9-36cf-4781-91d3-0a0600b30101", "timestamp": 1459082055277, "testEvent": false, "projectId": "vof_pratima-hello-world", "events": [ { "eventId": "REVIEW", "projectId": "vof_pratima-hello-world", "timestamp": 1459082038, "data": { "review": { "id": 27, "title": "test", "created": 1459082037700, "modified":
08:41	irctc	The code I wrote for this is
08:42	irctc	(defn make-commit-msg [reviewevent] (get-in env ["review" 0 "id"]) ) (defn make-commit-email [event] (apply str (mapv make-commit-msg (get event "events"))) ) (deforch "Generic hook to send email when Merge request is created" (defstart :from :mergehook :when [ (event=? "REVIEW" ["events" 0 "eventId"]) ] :then (let [event (:event context)] (email "pratima.mangena@oracle.com" "[Generic webhook from webho
08:42	ridcully	well maybe i'm /ignored...
08:42	irctc	as of now I have hard coded the target email address however I should pull from the json payload
08:43	Empperi	irctc: do NOT paste stuff like that to IRC
08:43	Empperi	use pastebin, refheap or similar
08:43	Empperi	no one wants to read that from IRC
08:43	clojurebot	Cool story bro.
08:43	Empperi	clojurebot: ain't it?
08:43	clojurebot	Excuse me?
08:44	Empperi	clojurebot: you are a moron, but that's not your fault but your creators so it's cool
08:44	clojurebot	Huh?
08:44	faxmodem	clojurebot: consider yourself excused
08:44	clojurebot	Titim gan éirí ort.
08:44	irctc	where is paste bin
08:44	Empperi	google
08:44	Empperi	first hit in google I'd gather
08:47	irctc	http://pastebin.com/9XEsvL93
08:48	irctc	is this accessible
09:13	irctc	Reposting my code
09:13	irctc	http://pastebin.com/9XEsvL93
09:13	irctc	Any clojure experts good at decoding the json payload for me
09:14	irctc	please respond
09:17	kwladyka	irctc do you have json and want convert it to edn?
09:17	kwladyka	(clojure data structure)
09:30	irctc	here is the json
09:30	irctc	http://pastebin.com/9M4EdN84
09:33	kwladyka	irctc what did you do to find a solution? It is in the first position on google. Or i don't understand your problem.
09:33	irctc	my json payload is http://pastebin.com/9M4EdN84
09:34	irctc	the code I wrote to pull the json payload is http://pastebin.com/9XEsvL93
09:34	irctc	I need help in traversing the payload using clojure code
09:35	irctc	I got a blank email with no body
09:35	kwladyka	you need conver json to end (clojure format) yes? if you use ring you can use wrapper, if you don't use ring you can use for example https://github.com/clojure/data.json (first position after write in google "clojure json")
09:35	irctc	where I expect review ID in the json payload
09:35	kwladyka	*end = edn
09:37	kwladyka	i don't know what you pass as parameter to this functions, i can only guess you don't paste edn data, but for example string
09:50	kwladyka	irctc please don't write to me on priv. It doesn't work like i will write code for you. I can give hints, fishing rod, sometimes fish, but i wouldn't do job for your.
09:52	RedNifre	Hey there. I'm currently reading JoC and the part about lists sharing their immutable data demonstrates this via "it's not only equal (= l1 l2) but also identical (identical? l1 l2)". This looks to me like "=" means "equal", but I vaguely remember somebody in this channel saying "use == for numbers" a while ago. So what's up with identical? vs = vs == ?
09:54	justin_smith	RedNifre: = uses structural equality for data structures, == is only for numbers and does value equality. = doesn't work across exact/inexact
09:54	ridcully	RedNifre: identical? is basically == from java (same "pointer"). = is basically equals from java. and == is == for numbers
09:54	justin_smith	,(= 1 1.0)
09:54	clojurebot	false
09:55	justin_smith	,(= '(1 2) [1 2])
09:55	clojurebot	true
09:56	justin_smith	,(== 1.0 1)
09:56	clojurebot	true
10:00	RedNifre	,(identical? 1 1)
10:00	clojurebot	true
10:01	RedNifre	I find the behaviour of = very strange.
10:01	RedNifre	,(== '(1 2) [1 2])
10:01	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "clojure.lang.PersistentList cannot be cast to java.lang.Number"\n :via\n [{:type java.lang.ClassCastException\n :message "clojure.lang.PersistentList cannot be cast to java.lang.Number"\n :at [clojure.lang.Numbers equiv "Numbers.java" 208]}]\n :trace\n [[clojure.lang.Numbers equiv "Numbers.java" 208]\n [sandbox$eval121 invokeStatic "NO_SOURCE_FILE" 0]\n [sandbox$eval121 in...
10:01	justin_smith	,(let [a '(1 2) b (cons 0 a) c (rest b)] (identical? a c))
10:01	clojurebot	true
10:02	justin_smith	== is only for numbers, the above demonstrates what JoC was saying - the fact that it's the same data
10:02	RedNifre	Would this be a good rule of thumb?: "Use == for numbers and = for everything else. You rarely need 'identical?'"
10:02	justin_smith	sounds right
10:02	justin_smith	also use = for numbers if you care about the precision
10:03	RedNifre	I find this strange because 1 and 1.0 seem more equal to me than '(1 2) and [1 2]
10:03	sdegutis	back
10:03	justin_smith	RedNifre: '(1 2) contains all the information [1 2] does, (float n) can lose information compared to n
10:04	RedNifre	I thought that '(1 2) was a different type than [1 2] and that 1 and 1.0 are precisely identical, even on the bit level in this case.
10:04	sdegutis	RedNifre:
10:04	justin_smith	RedNifre: that may be the case for 1.0 / 1, I forget, but definitely not the case generally for n / (float n)
10:05	sdegutis	,(map type [1 1.0])
10:05	clojurebot	(java.lang.Long java.lang.Double)
10:05	justin_smith	RedNifre: clojure's equality cares about shape more than type
10:05	sdegutis	,(map type [1 (float 1.0)])
10:05	clojurebot	(java.lang.Long java.lang.Float)
10:05	sdegutis	,(map type [(int 1) (float 1.0)])
10:05	clojurebot	(java.lang.Integer java.lang.Float)
10:05	sdegutis	Hi
10:05	sdegutis	whatd i miss
10:06	sdegutis	good evening
10:11	RedNifre	WHat's shape? Is it "potential data"?
10:11	justin_smith	RedNifre: no, it is the layout (sequential, the count of the sequence, vs. lookup, the keys and vals of the lookup)
10:12	justin_smith	in general if (into (empty x) y) is the same as x, then x = y, if they agree regarding sequential or associative
10:12	justin_smith	wait that's bad and not always right
10:18	justin_smith	RedNifre: any two sequential things that are immutable (list, lazy-seq, vector) are = if their contents are all = in the same order
10:19	justin_smith	RedNifre: any two hash-maps (PersistentArrayMap, PersistentHashMap) are = if their key / val pairs are =
10:20	sdegutis	RedNifre: kinda like (= [1 2] '(1 2)) are "the same"
10:20	sdegutis	RedNifre: because all the things inside are considered equal in value
10:20	justin_smith	sdegutis: his question started with that
10:20	sdegutis	haha
10:20	sdegutis	oops
10:22	sdegutis	Well, this is not going well.
10:22	sdegutis	I had an idea to create a macro, but it's causing an infinite redirect-loop.
10:25	shafire	hi
10:26	shafire	is someone using clojure with gradle?
10:26	sdegutis	hi
10:26	sdegutis	probably not.
10:26	shafire	more leiningen?
10:27	wink	lein or boot, yeah
10:28	Guest31160	is there a way to use everything in a ns except a certain function?
10:31	xemdetia	Guest31160, if you look on http://clojure.github.io/clojure/clojure.core-api.html#clojure.core/ns there seems to be an :exclude directive that sounds like what you want
10:32	hamid	curiously asking.. why not dynamically specify size of the thread-pool? https://github.com/clojure/core.async/blob/master/src/main/clojure/clojure/core/async/impl/exec/threadpool.clj
10:33	hamid	or does that crosses some sort of philosophy in clojure's land?
10:34	xemdetia	https://github.com/clojure/core.async/commit/7b64bd8a22c2b6df69c23dce34eb66d705f5bf1a
10:34	xemdetia	looks like it was a deliberate change
10:40	sdegutis	i dont know many people who use boot yet
10:41	sdegutis	leiningen is still king and for good reason
10:41	sdegutis	boot may be good but it came in far too late to have a fair chance
10:42	phillord	I think you need to look at new projects -- if you're environment is already running in lein, why would you change?
10:42	phillord	but that's not a good predictor of the future
10:42	shafire	cursive don't support boot either
10:56	sdegutis	phillord: support is the main thing; more ides support lein than boot
10:57	sdegutis	phillord: also lein covers more cases since its older
11:00	phillord	sdegutis: true, but then boot is, I think, more easily extensible than lein, certainly in place
11:01	sdegutis	phillord: that may be true, but for 99% of cases, lein doesn't need to be extended because it already covers most use-cases
11:02	phillord	sdegutis: also true for Java. And,yet, we have clojure.
11:08	Glenjamin	are you including plugins in that sdegutis ?
11:08	sdegutis	Glenjamin: nope
11:08	sdegutis	but probably
11:09	Glenjamin	i suspect almost all clojure apps have at least one lein plugin
11:09	Glenjamin	i dunno who's point that helps
11:34	sdegutis	Glenjamin: if our project at work has any, it's brought in by Cider
11:35	sdegutis	yep, that brings in exactly one plugin: [cider/cider-nrepl "0.11.0"]
11:41	sdegutis	so yeah, we could probably easily switch to boot
11:41	sdegutis	but the last time I tried, it had a bug when used with Cider:
11:42	sdegutis	if you jumped to the definition of a symbol within your project, instead of bringing you to your own file in that project, it brought you to a copy of it somewhere in ~/.boot or something
11:42	sdegutis	that made it pretty useless for me.
11:42	sdegutis	the boot folks said it might be fixed soon, and that was like a year ago, so maybe it is fixed now
11:42	sdegutis	Fin.
11:42	schmir	sdegutis: it's fixed
11:43	sdegutis	schmir: was it you i talked to about it?
11:43	arrdem	sdegutis: that's fantastically rude dude
11:43	arrdem	be nice
11:43	schmir	sdegutis: no
11:43	arrdem	this is a public channel. Take it to pms if you don't want replies
11:43	sdegutis	arrdem: ... i cant even imagine what anything i said could be rude
11:44	sdegutis	schmir: oh, thought it might have been
11:44	sdegutis	schmir: i dont remember who it was i talked to in the boot chan about it
11:44	sdegutis	arrdem: oh, i see now.. you misinterpreted my reply to schmir in the most negative possible way
11:45	schmir	sdegutis: I did so too for a second :)
11:45	sdegutis	arrdem: look, i get that you have a grudge against me for a single thing i said years ago that you misinterpreted.. but stop being a prick to me every few months please, its getting really annoying
11:45	sdegutis	schmir: noted, sorry about that, ill be more careful
11:45	schmir	no problem
11:56	sdegutis	it's snowing.
11:57	kenbolton	sdegutis: northeast corridor?
11:57	sdegutis	chicago
11:57	kenbolton	snowing here 60 miles north of new york city.
11:58	sdegutis	i guess winter just doesnt want to leave this year
11:59	kenbolton	it only just arrived this weekend.
12:34	sdegutis	Fixed! Woo!
12:53	sdegutis	,(update {} :foo (fn [foo] (-> foo (update-in [:bar :quux] (fnil inc 0)) (assoc-in [:string] "string!"))))
12:53	sdegutis	phew!
12:53	clojurebot	{:foo {:bar {:quux 1}, :string "string!"}}
12:54	kenrestivo	ugh https://www.refheap.com/116881 cider now refuses to work at all
13:01	sdegutis	kenbolton: you dont use cider?
13:02	wutf	anyone popping a ClojureScript repl from within emacs using C-c M-J as per here under Super Advanced? https://github.com/bhauman/lein-figwheel/wiki/Using-the-Figwheel-REPL-within-NRepl
13:18	justin_smith	kenrestivo: monroe or inf-clojure might be better options than nrepl.el these days - worth checking out at least
13:24	justin_smith	kenrestivo: also, the error you posted reminds me of the weirdness I have seen when updating cider.el in place - it works more cleanly if you nuke it and do a fresh install of another version
13:24	justin_smith	nuke and re-install clojure mode too, just for voodoo sake
13:26	sdegutis	kenbolton: I've had a lot of success with Cider fwiw, but ymmv
13:27	kenbolton	sdegutis: i appreciate that, but it was kenrestivo who was asking.
13:27	sdegutis	oh sorry kenbolton
13:27	kenbolton	no worries
13:28	sdegutis	kenrestivo: I've had a lot of success with Cider fwiw, but ymmv
13:28	sdegutis	ill just blame tab completion and hope it sticks
13:28	kenbolton	good enough
13:31	sdegutis	kenbolton: that said, cider is pretty cool
13:32	sdegutis	im constantly amazed by how good a clojure ide it is
13:32	sdegutis	plus i like that it integrates so nicely with emacs
13:32	sdegutis	phew, fixed like 4 major bugs this morning
13:32	kenbolton	i need to play with it. i know it was recently dropped into the jupyter clojure integration.
13:42	kenrestivo	it's very slick, but finicky
13:42	kenrestivo	and not that stable, it seems
14:28	j-pb	I found a WAT
14:29	j-pb	,(= Double/NaN Double/NaN)
14:29	clojurebot	false
14:29	j-pb	,(= '(Double/NaN) '(Double/NaN))
14:29	clojurebot	true
14:29	j-pb	WAT!
14:30	arrdem	j-pb: that's per the IEEE float spec
14:30	arrdem	no wat at all
14:30	j-pb	arrdem: the IEEE float spec says that they are not equal UNLESS in a list?
14:30	arrdem	j-pb: oh. No. That's a WAT.
14:30	tavoris	What's the reason for them not being equal?
14:30	arrdem	Bug in CLJ equality probably.
14:31	j-pb	yeah
14:31	arrdem	tavoris: because NaN could be the result of arbitrary computation. There's no way to tell if two NaN results are from the same source, so NaNs can't be eqaul.
14:31	j-pb	test.check ftw this is breaking my code
14:32	ystael	,(= [Double/NaN] [Double/NaN])
14:32	arrdem	yeah test.check is one of my favorite libraries
14:32	clojurebot	false
14:32	ystael	...
14:32	arrdem	ystael: OH. I know what this is.
14:32	arrdem	j-pb: not a bug!
14:32	luma	in the second case, you're comparing the symbols
14:32	arrdem	j-pb: it's the result of quoting. Right.
14:32	arrdem	luma got it.
14:32	ane	,(= '(a) '(a))
14:32	clojurebot	true
14:33	j-pb	arrdem: aaar yeah true
14:34	j-pb	this thing is really hard to debug I can't copy paste stuff into the repl because it contains lists and NaNs :(
14:35	sdegutis	Today I replaced two inc with (fnil inc 0). It is a good day.
14:35	justin_smith	,(pr-str (/ 1.0 0.0))
14:35	clojurebot	"Infinity"
14:36	justin_smith	,(pr-str (/ 0.0 0.0))
14:36	clojurebot	"NaN"
14:36	justin_smith	yeah, those are not readable
14:36	arrdem	For no apparent reason.
14:36	j-pb	yeah
14:37	ptisnovs	,(Double/parseDouble "Infinity")
14:37	clojurebot	Infinity
14:38	ptisnovs	,(Double/parseDouble "NaN")
14:38	clojurebot	NaN
14:38	ptisnovs	strange...
14:39	arrdem	tools.reader supports them, it's just that Clojure's built in reader doesn't.
14:39	sdegutis	,(get {Double/NaN 3} Double/NaN)
14:39	clojurebot	nil
14:39	sdegutis	heheheheheh
14:40	ptisnovs	,(Double/parseDouble "-NaN")
14:40	clojurebot	NaN
14:43	Bronsa	j-pb: '(Double/NaN) is a list with the symbol Double/NaN, not the NaN value
14:43	Bronsa	try comparing (list Double/NaN)
14:44	j-pb	Bronsa: yeah arrdem figured it out already ^^
14:44	j-pb	by bad
14:44	Bronsa	now if you want a real WAT:
14:44	Bronsa	,(let [x (identity Double/NaN)] (= x x))
14:44	clojurebot	true
14:44	Bronsa	,(let [x Double/NaN] (= x x))
14:44	clojurebot	false
14:45	arrdem	Bronsa: I'm listening :P
14:45	j-pb	0o
14:45	Bronsa	arrdem: where's the fun if I tell you? :) try decompiling the two
14:45	arrdem	Bronsa: my guess is downcast to object and then pointer equality.
14:45	Bronsa	almost correct
14:45	arrdem	I'll disassemble it inna bit.
14:46	Bronsa	well, let's not nitpick -- that was correct
14:46	Bronsa	two Double NaN objects can compare identical? but not equal
14:47	arrdem	Right, of course they are identical?, I guess I'm surprised that's what's being reached here tho.
14:47	Bronsa	= on double literals will use `lcmp` on the doubleValue, (identity) makes that a Util/equiv comparison
14:47	arrdem	Right.
14:48	ystael	,(let [^double x (identity Double/NaN)] (= x x))
14:48	clojurebot	false
14:48	octe	if they are identitical they should be equal as well?
14:48	arrdem	octe: by the IEEE float spec they can't be.
14:48	octe	oh, for things like nan?
14:48	arrdem	yeah
14:48	octe	ah, gotcha
14:49	octe	thats why you have the isnan functions, etc
14:49	arrdem	Bronsa: I guess I'm surprised that Util/equiv doesn't handle this case...
14:49	arrdem	octe: right.
14:50	Bronsa	arrdem: eh, I think it's reasonable to short circuit equality on positive pointer checks
14:51	Bronsa	arrdem: fun thing is that this leats to difference in NaN handling between array-map and hash-map since they use different comparators
14:51	j-pb	grabs a bucket
14:51	arrdem	aha
14:51	arrdem	Whenever I want to find yaks I just grep my logs for whenever Bronsa talks about "fun"
14:51	Bronsa	heh
14:52	j-pb	I hate floating point with a passion...
14:52	Bronsa	btw I wouldn't say that behaviour is inconsistent with the IEEE spec.
14:52	sdegutis	meh
14:52	arrdem	I'm surprised that CLJ-1074 Nan/Infinity reader support is the only open NaN ticket
14:52	Bronsa	the java spec guarantess that primitive doubles will be IEE 754
14:53	Bronsa	and that Double objects wrap a double primitive
14:53	Bronsa	but making (Double. NaN) === (Double NaN) is about jvm object semantics, not double semantics
14:54	ptisnovs	Bronsa: yeah, otoh the spec defines, that Double is object and == on objects compares pointers (err references)
14:54	Bronsa	ptisnovs: right, which is consistent with what we're observing
14:54	Bronsa	a comparing identical? but not equal
14:54	Bronsa	possibly surprising, sure, but not incorrect or inconsistent
14:55	TimMc	How do you feel about that part of the IEEE 754 spec? :-)
14:55	arrdem	TimMc: a yak beyond shaving :P
14:55	Bronsa	arrdem: http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-1792
14:56	arrdem	Bronsa: huh you've found a bug in my JIRA -> org exporter.
14:56	Bronsa	this behaviour has nothing to do with NaN btw. any (reify Object (equals [_ _] false)) would work
14:57	arrdem	Yeah. JVM object equality is fundamentally hosed.
14:57	Bronsa	arrdem: is it one beer per bug? :P
14:57	TimMc	Sure, but .equals does declare some expectations of how it will behave.
14:58	TimMc	(if you override it)
14:58	arrdem	Bronsa: if you ever make it to the states to collect :P
14:58	arrdem	I should be keeping a scoreboard...
14:58	octe	TimMc, which is a great source of bugs, when people override it
14:58	octe	:)
15:00	Bronsa	TimMc: it doesn't say anything about two values having to compare .equal if they are identical though
15:01	j-pb	arrdem: I just realized that this also occurs somewhere with the values generated by test.check
15:01	j-pb	(gen/such-that #(= % %) (gen/vector gen/any-printable))
15:01	Bronsa	oh, it actually does I guess
15:01	Bronsa	`It is reflexive: for any non-null reference value x, x.equals(x) should return true.`
15:02	Bronsa	well, I guess the thing is it says it should, not it must? :P
15:02	j-pb	arrdem: this means that the NaN's slip past the such-that only to blow up my test (which checks if values serialize correctly to disk and deserialize correctly to memory)
15:03	j-pb	Bronsa: lol, that's just pure evil
15:03	Bronsa	arrdem: seriously considering next clojure/conj btw
15:06	octe	,(let [d (Double/parseDouble "NaN")] (.equals d d))
15:06	clojurebot	true
15:06	octe	was that not what you meant?
15:09	Bronsa	yeah of course, no inconsistency there. I was just referring to my prior example of (reify Object (equals [_ _] false)), which after reading the contract for Object.equals is probably wrong
15:09	Bronsa	s/wrong/invalid
15:10	octe	when I need to override equals i usually use lombok's @EqualsAndHashCode
15:10	j-pb	Bronsa: any tips on a workaround for that NaN object thing?
15:10	Bronsa	j-pb: what issue in particular?
15:10	j-pb	NaN sometimes being equal and sometimes not :/
15:11	Bronsa	avoid boxed NaN I guess?
15:11	j-pb	Yeah, but it seems that test.check/any already generates those ^^
15:12	tavoris	,(identical? Double/NaN Double/NaN)
15:12	clojurebot	false
15:12	tavoris	^ why?
15:12	j-pb	IEEE float spec
15:12	Bronsa	tavoris: that NaN gets boxed twice, resulting in two different objects
15:12	j-pb	ah really so this is already an autoboxed value?
15:12	j-pb	crazy
15:14	Bronsa	actually that's probably comparing two unboxed NaNs in this case. either way, the only way to get NaN .equals NaN or identical to return true is to use the same boxed object
15:14	sdegutis	Infix is actually pretty cool.
15:16	octe	(let [d1 (Double/parseDouble "NaN") d2 (Double/parseDouble "NaN")] (.equals d1 d2))
15:16	octe	,(let [d1 (Double/parseDouble "NaN") d2 (Double/parseDouble "NaN")] (.equals d1 d2))
15:16	clojurebot	true
15:16	octe	looks like they do compare equal?
15:18	Bronsa	octe: clojure's = doesn't useq .equals on numbers
15:18	Bronsa	it compares the underlying primitive values
15:18	sdegutis	Bronsa: how tho?
15:18	sdegutis	,(= 1 1.0)
15:18	clojurebot	false
15:18	sdegutis	manually? im confused
15:18	Bronsa	it's doing (identical? (.doubleValue Double/NaN) (.doubleValue Doubl/NaN))
15:19	j-pb	Bronsa: not in the example you posted however, right?
15:19	j-pb	wouldn't that be considered a bug?
15:19	Bronsa	j-pb: which one?
15:19	octe	perhaps it's not relevant to the problem, but could always use Object's and .equals instead of clojure's = though
15:20	j-pb	,(let [x (identity Double/NaN)] (= x x))
15:20	clojurebot	true
15:20	octe	might cause other uses :)
15:20	Bronsa	j-pb: that's short-circuiting that check alltoghether, because you're comparing two identical objects
15:20	j-pb	ah I see
15:20	Bronsa	so clojure sees that they're the same object and doesn't even bother comparing their values
15:21	ben_vulpes	that feel when (sh "rm" "-rf") is a better solution than the oodles of java on SO
15:21	rhg135	just remember "rm -rf" is implemented in oodles of C
15:22	ben_vulpes	until i get eval-as-opcode back i doooooon't really care
15:22	j-pb	Bronsa: hm I don't see why this-> is the case though :/
15:22	j-pb	,(= (read-string (pr-str Double/NaN)) (read-string (pr-str Double/NaN)))
15:22	clojurebot	true
15:23	j-pb	there they are not the same object, unless the jvm is some dark magic caching stuff
15:23	arrdem	Bronsa: hit me up if you do. I'll be fulltime and more mobile to do fun things as such.
15:25	Bronsa	j-pb: that's NaN the symbol, not NaN the value :P
15:25	Bronsa	,(class Double/NaN)
15:25	clojurebot	java.lang.Double
15:25	Bronsa	,(class (read-string (pr-str Double/NaN)))
15:25	clojurebot	clojure.lang.Symbol
15:26	Glenjamin	wha
15:28	j-pb	Bronsa: lol again wtf
15:28	Bronsa	arrdem: ah nice! found a clojure gig? I've been doing clj(s) fulltime since october myself
15:28	Glenjamin	Oh, I see now
15:28	Glenjamin	,(class (eval (read-string (pr-str Double/NaN)))
15:28	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: EOF while reading>
15:28	arrdem	Bronsa: neg. Opsy stuff at Twitter.
15:28	Glenjamin	,(class (eval (read-string (pr-str Double/NaN))))
15:28	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "Unable to resolve symbol: NaN in this context"\n :via\n [{:type clojure.lang.Compiler$CompilerException\n :message "java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: NaN in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)"\n :at [clojure.lang.Compiler analyze "Compiler.java" 6688]}\n {:type java.lang.RuntimeException\n :message "Unable to resolve symbol: NaN in this conte...
15:28	j-pb	thi is just mean
15:28	Bronsa	arrdem: well that's just as good. gratz
15:29	arrdem	Bronsa: thanks! Now I just have to keep my fingers crossed that TWTR doesn't implode.
15:29	Bronsa	Glenjamin: no reader support for NaN (unless you use tools.reader)
15:29	Glenjamin	,clojure-version
15:29	clojurebot	{:major 1, :minor 8, :incremental 0, :qualifier nil}
15:29	Bronsa	arrdem: uh, why would it?
15:30	arrdem	Bronsa: ongoing drama, stock price recently got thumped etc.
15:30	Bronsa	ah :/
15:30	Glenjamin	so, interestingly:
15:31	Glenjamin	,(pr-str Double/NaN)
15:31	clojurebot	"NaN"
15:31	Glenjamin	loses the "namespace", although it wouldn't work anyway
15:31	Bronsa	s/interestingly/infuriatingly is probably more appropriate in those cases
15:31	Bronsa	Glenjamin: I think that's just how Double toStrings NaN
15:31	arrdem	probably
15:32	Glenjamin	ah
15:32	Bronsa	,(.toString Double/NaN)
15:32	clojurebot	"NaN"
15:32	Glenjamin	yeah
15:33	Bronsa	I guess one could argue that (pr-str Double/NaN) should return #=(java.lang.Double/parseDouble "NaN") or ¯_(ツ)_/¯ the method is called
15:33	Bronsa	s/¯_(ツ)_/¯/whatever/
15:33	Bronsa	sigh
15:33	machinewar	does map impliclty turn structure its mapping over into a seq?
15:33	arrdem	that's ... awful
15:33	Bronsa	or just make NaN/Infinity special reader tokens
15:33	arrdem	Why would you want to leak that JVM platform detail when you can make NaN/Infinity special.
15:33	Bronsa	like nil/true/false (that's what tools.reader does)
15:34	Bronsa	arrdem: because one you can monkey-patch without forking clojure, the other you can't? :P
15:35	arrdem	Bronsa: well I mean... I've cast my dice on that matter.
15:36	Bronsa	well then there might a patch ready to go in jira
15:37	arrdem	I think you missed the part where I reformatted literally everything with a commit message along the lines of "yolo"
15:37	Glenjamin	NaN and Infinity also exist in cljs and have identical semantics
15:37	Glenjamin	dunno about CLR though
15:38	Glenjamin	s/cljs/JS/ i guess
15:38	Bronsa	don't think you can embed them as literals in cljs
15:38	Bronsa	last I remember if you tried you'd get the compiler to explode because tools.reader would return a Double/NaN and compiler.clj didn't know what to do with it
15:39	Bronsa	uh -- apparently they made it work
15:39	Glenjamin	i mean, if Clojure defined NaN and Infinity as special in the reader
15:39	Glenjamin	it could be portable
15:39	Glenjamin	oh?
15:40	Bronsa	I just tried typing NaN and Infinity in a cljs repl and it worked
15:40	Glenjamin	yeah, weird
15:40	Glenjamin	i would have expected it to need js/
15:41	arrdem	Remember, the reader can do whatever it wants to :P Shen implements their entire macro system in the reader...
15:42	Bronsa	ah, nice. [+-]Infinity and NaN are valid javascript constants
15:42	Bronsa	so it's just working out of the box thanks to tools.reader and Double.toString
15:46	Bronsa	arrdem: FWIW http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-1074 patch is trivial
15:48	arrdem	Bronsa: yeah I saw it. Now https://github.com/jaunt-lang/jaunt/issues/125
15:49	Bronsa	this syntax highlighting.. not even wrong https://github.com/clojure/tools.reader/blob/master/src/main/clojure/clojure/tools/reader.clj#L316
15:49	Bronsa	I can't believe they haven't fixed it yet :/
15:52	hiredman	machinewar: the doc string specifically starts off saying it returns a seq
15:54	machinewar	thanks for heads up hiredman
16:07	sdegutis	back
16:18	sdegutis	Is there a way to dissoc a bunch of keys from a map inside a call to (update) without creating a temporary function?
16:18	sdegutis	I currently have (update :things (fn [things] (apply dissoc things ks)))
16:18	sdegutis	And it just feels weird, and like it's what as-> was made for, but I don't see how to use as-> here.
16:23	zilti	Is there a place I can find some actual documentation of core.logic? All I can find is the official API page which is even incomplete.
16:24	AimHere	zilti, you can always quiz dnolen about it - hes right here!
16:25	amalloy	sdegutis: (apply dissoc foo :things ks)
16:25	amalloy	er
16:25	amalloy	(apply update foo :things dissoc ks)
16:28	dnolen	zilti: there's a lot of documentation of varying quality - if you really want to understand it though you probably want to read The Reasoned Schemer along with some of the papers.
16:29	sdegutis	amalloy: ah!
16:29	zilti	dnolen: Ok. But there isn't like a complete API around? That would already help quite a bit. The "official" one e.g. doesn't even have the core "unify".
16:30	dnolen	zilti: http://clojure.github.io/core.logic/
16:30	dnolen	if stuff is missing that's low hanging fruit for someone to work on
16:31	zilti	dnolen: Yes, that's the API docs I mean. clojure.core.logic/unify is missing there among others
16:32	dnolen	ok, docstring patches are welcome
16:33	sdegutis	thanks amalloy
16:33	zilti	dnolen: ok. I'll spend some time with the papers I guess, and reasoned schemer, and keep that in mind.
16:33	sdegutis	I didn't even consider that.
16:33	sdegutis	I still have to use as-> outside the apply, but that's fine.
16:40	sdegutis	Yay! Finally found a use for (comment)
16:54	Lewis	https://gist.github.com/6ewis/ce8f86f31cf3f00845965a4e888f7331
16:54	Lewis	whats that extra stuff on line 5 and 6
16:54	arrdem	Lewis: lines 3,4,5 are fn metadata.
16:55	Lewis	(fn [x] `(. clojure.lang.Numbers (isPos ~x))
16:55	Lewis	and this (. clojure.lang.Numbers (isPos x))
16:57	arrdem	line 4 is an inline macro. If you write (pos? 3) rather than taking pos? as a value, then the compiler will rewrite that to ((fn [x] `(. clojure.lang.Numbers (isPos ~x))) 3) -> (. clojure.lang.Numbers (isPos 3))
16:57	arrdem	that's an interop form which makes use of the implementation detail class clojure.lang.Numbers, which provides a Java implementation of the positivity check on many types.
17:48	sdegutis	When is definline useful?
17:55	kwladyka	sdegutis i guess when you really care about performance
17:56	kwladyka	and also when for some reason want have to run some code exactly at "this" place. For example because it will return some debug information during error with the place where it is call.
17:56	kwladyka	if you know something about assembler you should catch this immediately
17:57	kwladyka	if not i don't know how to explain it shortly :)
17:57	kwladyka	i am going to sleep, goodgnight
18:47	maru	does anyone know how to fix this cljs compilation error https://gist.github.com/darwin/3aeb13d9e3631a4c421d
18:47	maru	"Warning: environ value true has been cast to string" WTF
19:16	sdegutis	,(case 1 2 (prn 2) 3 (prn 3) (prn 1))
19:16	clojurebot	1\n
19:16	sdegutis	,(case 1 2 (prn 2) 3 (prn 3))
19:16	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "No matching clause: 1"\n :via\n [{:type java.lang.IllegalArgumentException\n :message "No matching clause: 1"\n :at [sandbox$eval51 invokeStatic "NO_SOURCE_FILE" 0]}]\n :trace\n [[sandbox$eval51 invokeStatic "NO_SOURCE_FILE" 0]\n [sandbox$eval51 invoke "NO_SOURCE_FILE" -1]\n [clojure.lang.Compiler eval "Compiler.java" 6927]\n [clojure.lang.Compiler eval "Compiler.java" 68...
19:16	sdegutis	,(case 1 2 (prn 2) 3 (prn 3) nil)
19:16	clojurebot	nil
19:16	sdegutis	It short-circuits? Nice.
19:27	gizmo385	Anyone here familiar with instaparse?
19:29	amalloy	~anyone
19:29	clojurebot	anyone is anybody
19:29	amalloy	sigh
19:29	amalloy	~ask
19:30	clojurebot	The Ask To Ask protocol wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask protocol, so just ask your question.
19:30	sdegutis	:)
19:30	ben_vulpes	cute
19:31	sfz-	q: `lein test` shows 2 FAILs in output but summary prints `0 failures, 0 errors.` Has anyone seen this before or know what the issue might be?
19:35	gizmo385	I'm trying to parse a C-style language with Instaparse and I'm having issues getting the comments to work. I've tried writing a custom whitespace parser and installing that alongside my C parser, but the comment parsing is breaking the normal parsing. Anyone have experience with parsing comments in Instaparse?
19:36	TEttinger	gizmo385: sorta
19:36	TEttinger	I know where in the docs it gives it as an example :)
19:36	gizmo385	I've tried adapting the whitespace example from the experimental features documentation, but it stills seems to break
19:38	TEttinger	https://github.com/Engelberg/instaparse/blob/master/docs/ExperimentalFeatures.md#auto-whitespace
19:38	TEttinger	oh ok
19:38	TEttinger	yeah that was what I knew so far
19:38	TEttinger	I haven't used instaparse myself, I found it when someone asked a few months ago
19:39	gizmo385	Yeah, I've tried just copy and pasting the auto whitespace example from the docs and just using that and it spits out error messages that I haven't seen before
19:43	sfz-	Here's the details of my question posed above: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36414730/clojure-leiningen-test-fails-not-shown-in-error-summary
19:44	gizmo385	I've managed to get the example in the experimental features to work, but attempting to change the parenthesis to slashes causes grammar parsing errors
19:45	TEttinger	hm. is / a special char?
19:48	gizmo385	I think I got it to work? It seems like it might have been an issue with escaping
19:53	amalloy	sfz-: your assertions should be inside (deftest foo ...) definitions, not at the top level of a file
19:54	sfz-	amalloy: Thank you! That was it. I accidentally put them in a `def` instead of `deftest`. +1 internets for you
20:49	wombawomba	can I make leiningen run a code snippet whenever any task is started with a particular profile?
20:50	wombawomba	alternatively, can I make it run a code snippet whenever any task is tarted, with the current profile(s) as argument(s)?
20:51	kylepotts	wombawomba: look up the :prep-tasks option
20:54	wombawomba	kylepotts: afaict, :prep-tasks is only useful for running shell commands
20:54	wombawomba	I want to run a function in my project, analagously to [:repl-options :welcome]
21:08	wombawomba	is there any way to tell which leiningen profile is being used in my code?
21:10	kylepotts	wombawomba: Look at the Dynamic Eval section here
21:10	kylepotts	https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/blob/master/doc/PROFILES.md
21:11	kylepotts	that should answer your first question
21:13	wombawomba	kylepotts: hmm, yeah... but can I call my own code using dynamic eval?
21:13	wombawomba	seems like it would be run before loading the project namespaces
21:13	kylepotts	that is defined in the module? You could eval a section of your code and then run the function
21:15	wombawomba	hmm, so I could do something like #=(eval (do (require '[my-ns :refer [my-code my-val]]) (swap! my-val (my-code "foo")))?
21:16	kylepotts	something along those lines
21:17	wombawomba	and my-val would have the value I set once it's loaded later?
21:17	wombawomba	where would I put this?
22:31	sdegutis	Wow. I was so very wrong. Just, wow.
22:32	sdegutis	Cider is really really really cool.
22:32	sdegutis	Way cooler than I ever realized.
22:34	user__	sdegutis, very nice
22:34	sdegutis	Hello. Is there a way to "find out" which dependencies (and sub-dependencies) are making my Leiningen project's resulting uberjar so large? (x-post from #leiningen)
22:35	sdegutis	For example, it turns out that a certain library I'm depending on depends upon Instaparse, which means I'm indirectly depending on Instaparse, so that it gets pulled into my project.
22:44	sdegutis	user__: :)
22:44	sdegutis	justin_smith: ping!
22:44	justin_smith	hi
22:44	sdegutis	justin_smith: https://github.com/xsc/lein-ancient
22:44	sdegutis	"Check your Projects for outdated Dependencies"
22:44	sdegutis	"Dependencies: out of date"
22:45	sdegutis	justin_smith: I thought you'd find that funny :)
22:45	sdegutis	justin_smith: also I didn't expect you to be awake && online.
22:45	justin_smith	amazingly, you caught me just as I got home and on my computer again
22:46	sdegutis	ha!
22:47	justin_smith	I just walked home (4.5 miles)
22:47	justin_smith	an hour so of understimulation a day is nice
22:49	sdegutis	justin_smith: thats a long walk, is that usual fo you?
22:49	justin_smith	at least a few times a week, some times both ways in one day but more often just one way
22:50	justin_smith	it's nice to have time with no real input
22:50	justin_smith	walking doesn't take much intellectual activity
23:07	user__	yes, walking is incredible
23:07	user__	especially with the better weather coming
23:24	sdegutis	justin_smith: that sounds healthy physically and mentally
23:24	sdegutis	justin_smith: relatedly, my wife and i have a new rule for our kids, 20 minutes of silence per day at like 3pm
23:25	sdegutis	justin_smith: cuz we often read about how important some silence every day is, so we're trying to put it into practice
23:25	sdegutis	eventually i hope to make it a full hour of silence every day
23:27	tolstoy	sdegutis: Have you tried "lein with-profile production deps :tree"?
23:27	sdegutis	tolstoy: hmm not the with-profile part
23:27	sdegutis	tolstoy: but `lein deps :tree` didn't seem very informative in terms of telling me how big the deps are
23:28	tolstoy	Yeah, not size. The with-profile production is (I think) the profile uberjar uses, so no plugins or test libs, etc.
23:29	tolstoy	sdegutis: My uberjars (standalone) tend to be 19M or so.
23:29	sdegutis	hmm mine are around 60mb
23:29	sdegutis	:/
23:31	tolstoy	lein with-profile production classpath \| sed -e 's/:/ /g' \| fmt -1 \| grep jar
23:32	tolstoy	That'll list all the jars. How to find the sizes? Hm.
23:33	sdegutis	tolstoy: never mind it, I'm not going to pursue it today, thanks though :)
23:33	sdegutis	,(update {:foo 3} :foo ((constantly nil)))
23:33	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause nil\n :via\n [{:type java.lang.NullPointerException\n :message nil\n :at [clojure.core$update invokeStatic "core.clj" 5960]}]\n :trace\n [[clojure.core$update invokeStatic "core.clj" 5960]\n [clojure.core$update invoke "core.clj" 5952]\n [sandbox$eval25 invokeStatic "NO_SOURCE_FILE" 0]\n [sandbox$eval25 invoke "NO_SOURCE_FILE" -1]\n [clojure.lang.Compiler eval "Compiler.j...
23:33	sdegutis	,(update {:foo 3} :foo (constantly nil))
23:33	clojurebot	{:foo nil}
23:33	sdegutis	bwaha
23:34	tolstoy	lein with-profile production classpath \| sed -e 's/:/ /g' \| fmt -1 \| grep jar \| xargs ls -l
23:34	tolstoy	Heh. ;)
23:34	justin_smith	,(update {:foo 3} :foo :kasldfjlkasdjflkdsa)
23:34	clojurebot	{:foo nil}
23:34	sdegutis	justin_smith: clever
23:34	sdegutis	,(update {:foo {:kasldfjlkasdjflkdsa 3}} :foo :kasldfjlkasdjflkdsa)
23:34	clojurebot	{:foo 3}
23:34	user__	Quick question: If I have a vector in a vector, how do I access one of those sub-vectors for location?
23:34	sdegutis	justin_smith: not fool-proof tho
23:35	kenrestivo	tolstoy: lein with-profile production classpath \| sed -e 's/:/ /g' \| fmt -1 \| grep jar \| xargs ls -l \|awk '{print $5 " " $9}'
23:35	user__	--(1(:subVectors(someVector)))
23:35	tolstoy	There it is. :)
23:35	kenrestivo	tolstoy: lein with-profile production classpath \| sed -e 's/:/ /g' \| fmt -1 \| grep jar \| xargs ls -l \|awk '{print $5 " " $9}' \|sort -nr \|less
23:35	kenrestivo	sorry couldn't help myself
23:36	justin_smith	,(get-in [[] [0 1]] [1 1]) user__
23:36	clojurebot	1
23:36	user__	Sorry, the question was: Quick question: If I have vectors in a vector, how do I access one of those sub-vectors for location?
23:36	tolstoy	Yeah, sort.
23:36	justin_smith	,(get-in [[] [0 1 :foo]] [1 2]) user__
23:36	clojurebot	:foo
23:36	user__	justin_smith, very nice
23:37	user__	I love Clojure's simplicity
23:37	tolstoy	Hm. Clojure and Netty take up about 7MB. Add 2 more for bouncycastle.
23:37	user__	Interesting
23:38	kenrestivo	aaand the total is:
23:38	kenrestivo	lein with-profile production classpath \| sed -e 's/:/ /g' \| fmt -1 \| grep jar \| xargs ls -l \|awk '{print $5}' \| paste -sd+ \| bc
23:38	tolstoy	No paste on osx. ;)
23:38	kenrestivo	which i guess will be the size of a uberjar
23:39	sdegutis	Is jetty the de facto best Clojure HTTP lib?
23:39	tolstoy	Yeah, it's more about figuring out which libs are taking up most of the size.
23:39	sdegutis	for simple HTTP that doesn't need any bells and whistles
23:40	tolstoy	sdegutis I use either aleph or http-kit. I bet "de factor" is people making war files (outside of one's own hobby hacking).
23:41	sdegutis	hmm
23:41	tolstoy	http-kit is nice because it's so small. No dependencies.
23:44	sdegutis	The only reason I use Jetty is because ring-jetty comes bundled with [ring "0.4.0"] from inside github.com/ring-clojure/ring
23:45	sdegutis	So it seemed like a reasonable default to use.
23:54	kenrestivo	is tehre some reason why (slurp "~/some-file-i-know-actually-exists") isn't working anymore?
23:54	kenrestivo	does clojure and/or slurp not deal with ~/ ?
23:55	tolstoy	Doesn't work for me, either.
23:55	kenrestivo	it used to
23:55	kenrestivo	i think
23:56	tolstoy	Just tried it with clojure.java.io: no go.
23:57	kenrestivo	i'll have to pull $HOME out of the java env then
23:57	kenrestivo	maybe that's what i did before
23:57	tolstoy	,(System/getProperty "user.home")
23:58	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "denied"\n :via\n [{:type java.lang.SecurityException\n :message "denied"\n :at [clojurebot.sandbox$enable_security_manager$fn__835 invoke "sandbox.clj" 69]}]\n :trace\n [[clojurebot.sandbox$enable_security_manager$fn__835 invoke "sandbox.clj" 69]\n [clojurebot.sandbox.proxy$java.lang.SecurityManager$Door$f500ea40 checkPropertyAccess nil -1]\n [java.lang.System getProperty ...
23:58	tolstoy	Thought so. Nice.
23:59	cwgem\|mac	Nice to see a language that doesn't explode on you when you try and use string manipulation on multbyte strings
23:59	kenrestivo	(str (get (System/getenv) "HOME") "/.stuff.edn")