#clojure – 2015-12-29

2015-12-29

01:28	felixn_	https://gist.github.com/munro/88c578c7eb0551daacf9 <-- hey any feedback for this function that conditionally zips against a second sequence? I'm thinking I could make it a transducer by passing in a 3rd argument as the reduced amount. only problem is the entire operation should fail if it's not complete
01:29	felixn_	actually, that last condition can just be checked at the end, and not have anything to do with this function
01:32	felixn_	http://ignaciothayer.com/post/Transducers-Are-Fundamental/ <-- also, I was reading this article about transducer. when would the signature "[result input & inputs]" for a map transducer ever apply?
04:03	Trioxin	I would love to see an example of convoluted artificial neural networks in clojure
04:04	Trioxin	convolutional*
04:05	Trioxin	something that isn't ages old
04:05	Trioxin	because state of the art changes there every so often
04:05	Trioxin	there's synaptic modified 8 months ago. not so bad I suppose
04:06	Trioxin	looks like the last thing they fixed was convolution
04:16	Trioxin	I'm surprised because I've brought things like this up here before and it seems like a lot more clojure devs would be working in machine learning.
04:17	Trioxin	given the nature of the language
04:17	Trioxin	why should c++ have all the fun?
04:18	Trioxin	oh sweet. I see there's a matlab interface for clojure
04:50	underplank	Hi all. Any idea why when running tests using ring-mock the :body of the PUT request is an InputStream whereas when running the service using jetty its just a string?
06:55	engblom	Does clojure have anything ready allowing you to have a circular double linked list?
06:57	engblom	I have ([1,0,0,1], [1,0,0,0], [1,1,0,0], [0,1,0,0], [0,1,1,0], [0,0,1,0], [0,0,1,1], [0,0,0,1]) where the last element should connect with the first, so that when I am at the last element and take 'next' I get the first, in the same way when I am at the first element and asks for 'previous' I get the last from the list
07:04	justin_smith	engblom: cycle
07:04	justin_smith	engblom: and there is no "previous" in clojure really
07:04	engblom	justin_smith: I already used cycle for forward... but the backward was the thing I was more wondering about
07:05	justin_smith	engblom: you need mutable data for the whole next/previous based on a single element thing
07:05	justin_smith	though I guess there are zippers...
07:16	justin_smith	engblom: actually, there is a way to do it with promises I think... one moment
07:22	engblom	justin_smith: I realized I could quite easily do it by using 'mod'. Then I need to just pass around the last position and going forward or backward is just a modulo to get the position in the initial vector
07:22	justin_smith	oh, there is that
07:23	justin_smith	engblom: I made something actually circularly linked - it works but printing it is a very bad idea :)
07:23	justin_smith	,(defn make-node [v] {:prev (promise) :v v :next (promise)})
07:23	clojurebot	#'sandbox/make-node
07:23	justin_smith	,(defn link-nodes [& nodes] (deliver (:next (last nodes)) (first nodes)) (deliver (:prev (first nodes)) (last nodes)) (reduce (fn [a b] (deliver (:next a) b) (deliver (:prev b) a) b) nodes) nil)
07:23	clojurebot	#'sandbox/link-nodes
07:24	justin_smith	,(def foo (let [f (make-node :foo) b (make-node :bar) q (make-node :quux)] (link-nodes f b q) f))
07:24	clojurebot	#'sandbox/foo
07:24	justin_smith	,(-> foo :v)
07:24	clojurebot	:foo
07:24	justin_smith	,(-> foo :next deref :v)
07:24	clojurebot	:bar
07:24	justin_smith	,(-> foo :next deref :next deref :v)
07:24	clojurebot	:quux
07:24	justin_smith	,(-> foo :next deref :next deref :next deref :v)
07:24	clojurebot	:foo
07:24	justin_smith	,(-> foo :next deref :next deref :next deref :next deref :v)
07:24	clojurebot	:bar
07:25	justin_smith	,(-> foo :next deref :next deref :next deref :next deref :next :deref :v)
07:25	clojurebot	nil
07:25	justin_smith	,(-> foo :next deref :next deref :next deref :next deref :next deref :v)
07:25	clojurebot	:quux
07:25	justin_smith	,(-> foo :next deref :next deref :next deref :next deref :next deref :prev deref :v)
07:25	clojurebot	:bar
07:25	justin_smith	,(-> foo :next deref :next deref :next deref :next deref :next deref :prev deref :prev deref :v)
07:25	clojurebot	:foo
07:25	justin_smith	etc.
07:25	engblom	Thanks!
07:26	justin_smith	engblom: that "works" but is very clumsy, and can't be edited - you pretty much have to make a whole new set of nodes from scratch and re-link
07:28	engblom	justin_smith: In my case, a simple 'if' or 'mod' will be easier. The sequence I gave first was for driving a stepper motor. If that one would be circular, it would be easy to take one step forward or one step backward.
07:29	justin_smith	engblom: yeah, that is definitely simpler
07:29	lokien	Hey, is there a way of preventing my stupidness? Like declaring a function with too much params - (defn wrong [x y] (identity x y))
07:30	justin_smith	lokien: the eastwood plugin for lein will catch that
07:30	lokien	I mean, this function happily doesn't throw an error, I'd like it to throw one
07:30	lokien	justin_smith: sweet name
07:30	justin_smith	lokien: because it's a linter
07:30	justin_smith	lint eastwood, lol
07:31	lokien	why people are so funny in functional programming, I don't know
07:31	lokien	imperative dudes are all like "we're engineers"
07:31	lokien	but our entire environment is puns and jokes
07:32	justin_smith	and fp guys are like "hell yeah, thomas the tank engine, toot toot"
07:32	justin_smith	lokien: it's true
07:32	lokien	that's why I love you
08:10	TimMc	justin_smith: I'm using that. :-P
08:23	jink167	Anybody know why grimoire at conj.io has been down for days?
08:25	justin_smith	jink167: at first arrdem wasn't aware it was down - but supposedly he's watching it now so... dunno
08:26	jink167	thx
08:48	ksaua	Hi. Is there a function which given a seq [1 2 3 4] returns [[1 2] [2 3] [3 4]] ?
08:48	j-pb	partition
08:49	ksaua	ty
08:50	BRODUS	,(partition 2 (butfirst (butlast (interleave [1 2 3 4] [1 2 3 4]))))
08:51	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "Unable to resolve symbol: butfirst in this context"\n :via\n [{:type clojure.lang.Compiler$CompilerException\n :message "java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: butfirst in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)"\n :at [clojure.lang.Compiler analyze "Compiler.java" 6704]}\n {:type java.lang.RuntimeException\n :message "Unable to resolve symbol: butfirs...
08:51	BRODUS	,(partition 2 (rest (butlast (interleave [1 2 3 4] [1 2 3 4]))))
08:51	clojurebot	((1 2) (2 3) (3 4))
08:52	j-pb	BRODUS: works but is ugly
08:52	j-pb	,(partition 2 1 [1 2 3 4])
08:52	clojurebot	((1 2) (2 3) (3 4))
08:52	BRODUS	aaa i didn't know partition could do that
09:08	TimMc	(def rest butfirst) :-P
09:10	BRODUS	TimMc: i need to go to bed :)
09:12	TimMc	BRODUS: partition has even more tricks than that
09:13	TimMc	,(partition 5 3 "hi" (range 8))
09:13	clojurebot	((0 1 2 3 4) (3 4 5 6 7) (6 7 \h \i))
09:23	justin_smith	new thing added to my list of evil - ansi escape sequences inside files so that git diff breaks in the terminal
09:24	justin_smith	breaks / shows misleading output
10:08	anti-freeze	Hi everyone, so I'm using clojurescript with boot and everything was working just dandy until about 2 hours ago, then figwheel shat itself. Has anyone seen this error before? https://www.refheap.com/113206
10:12	TimMc	justin_smith: font-lock-fontify-buffer doesn't do it. :-/
11:26	justin_smith	TimMc: odd...
11:26	justin_smith	anti-freeze left, but when that happens you need to clean your cljs and rebuild
11:34	justin_smith	,(partition 5 4 (cycle "hi") (range 9))
11:34	clojurebot	((0 1 2 3 4) (4 5 6 7 8) (8 \h \i \h \i))
11:34	justin_smith	fancy
11:46	justin_smith	,(partition 4 3 (cycle "lo") [4 2 0 6 6 6 69])
11:46	clojurebot	((4 2 0 6) (6 6 6 69) (69 \l \o \l))
11:58	devth	sadness = the inconsistency between def* forms and whether they allow docstrings
11:59	justin_smith	devth: would the fact that defonce rhymes with beyonce cheer you up?
11:59	devth	nice try!
12:00	devth	i want to hear someone say it like that IRL
12:00	justin_smith	I nominate gfredericks
12:01	devth	justin_smith: btw, i switched from bindings to passing state around explicitly. only took about 15 min per ns and my sanity is restored! good call.
12:01	justin_smith	glad to hear it
12:08	gfredericks	devth: justin_smith: http://tmp.gfredericks.com/defonce.m4a
12:09	devth	http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/picard_clapping.gif
12:09	justin_smith	gfredericks: you're the best
12:10	justin_smith	gfredericks: mind if I tweet that link? I guess it has tmp in it so it isn't meant to be a long term thing
12:11	gfredericks	SEMANTIC SUBDOMAINS!
12:12	gfredericks	um here I'll put it elsewheres
12:12	gfredericks	http://upload.gfredericks.com/defonce.m4a
12:12	justin_smith	OK, tweeting that now
12:14	TimMc	leenucks
12:15	justin_smith	yeah, it would be cool to get "this is Rich Hickey and I pronounce defonce as defonce" - with the gfredericks approved pronunciation of course
12:15	justin_smith	TimMc: actually hearing that recording, after fighting with kernel configs and drivers and such, was a moment of pure bliss in an otherwise bleak existence.
12:17	TimMc	:-)
12:18	TimMc	$findfn nil ()
12:19	TimMc	Oh right, no lazybot. :-(
12:23	TimMc	,(doseq [v (remove (comp :macro meta) (vals (ns-publics 'clojure.core)))] (try (when (= (v nil) ()) (println v)) (catch Throwable t nil)))
12:23	clojurebot	TimMc: Gabh mo leithscéal?
12:23	justin_smith	TimMc: concat
12:23	devth	what happened to lazybot?
12:23	TimMc	rest, reverse, sort, interleave, cycle, seque, vec, concat, drop-last, distinct, flatten, sequence
12:23	justin_smith	entropy
12:23	justin_smith	TimMc: oh yeah, those would do it too
12:24	justin_smith	I'd venture that (distinct nil) is the classiest way to get an empty list from nil
12:28	TimMc	What if I don't want to modify the list when it's not empty?
12:28	justin_smith	concat
12:28	justin_smith	that's the only one that will act like identity if a single list is arg I think
12:28	justin_smith	?
12:28	justin_smith	oh, or sequence
12:29	TimMc	or vec
12:29	justin_smith	right
12:29	TimMc	wtf is sequence
12:29	TimMc	flatten ;-)
12:29	justin_smith	TimMc: a transducer that doesn't reverse the input like (into () ...) does
12:29	justin_smith	very useful
12:29	TimMc	ooh, that's actually maybe what I want
12:30	TimMc	,(-> sequence var meta :added)
12:30	clojurebot	"1.0"
12:30	TimMc	Fascinating.
12:30	justin_smith	oh!
12:30	justin_smith	well, it became more useful when it became a transducer, to be sure
12:30	TimMc	No, concat is right, but this is useful to know I guess.
12:31	TimMc	I have a fn that yields a sequence of stuff, and it is currently implemented entirely by another fn that yields either a vector or nil, and I don't want the test to distinguish between nil and [].
12:32	TimMc	I could also just wrap the "actual" side of the test in a seq
12:32	TimMc	Oh right this is a midje (provided ...) block so I need the actual arg.
12:32	justin_smith	if it's a vector or nil, what about vec?
12:33	justin_smith	,(vec nil)
12:33	clojurebot	[]
12:33	TimMc	concat it is, since that conveys that there could, in the future, be more data sources.
12:34	TimMc	,(->> 'clojure.core ns-publics vals (filter #(and (not (:macro (meta %))) (try (= (% nil) ()) (catch Throwable t nil)))) (map #(.sym %)))
12:34	clojurebot	TimMc: No entiendo
12:34	TimMc	I wonder what its beef is.
12:34	justin_smith	catch
12:35	TimMc	fine
12:35	justin_smith	or more specifically I think it is try that is forbidden
12:40	TimMc	,(eval '(+ 1 2))
12:40	clojurebot	3
12:42	TimMc	,(->> 'clojure.core ns-publics (filter #(and (not (:macro (meta (val %)))) (eval `(~(symbol (str "t" "ry")) (= ((identity ~(key %)) nil) ()) (~(symbol (str "cat" "ch")) Throwable ~'t nil))))))
12:42	clojurebot	([eduction #'clojure.core/eduction] nil[dedupe #'clojure.core/dedupe] [rest #'clojure.core/rest] [reverse #'clojure.core/reverse] [sort #'clojure.core/sort] ...)
12:42	justin_smith	TimMc: SNEAKY
12:42	TimMc	WAS THAT SO HARD?
12:42	TimMc	that bot, seriously
12:48	TimMc	,(->> 'clojure.core ns-publics (filter #(and (not (:macro (meta (val %)))) (eval `(try (= ((identity ~(key %)) nil) ()) (~(symbol (str "cat" "ch")) Throwable ~'t nil))))) keys)
12:48	clojurebot	(eduction nildedupe rest reverse sort ...)
12:48	TimMc	bah
12:48	TimMc	,(+ 1 2)
12:48	clojurebot	3
12:48	TimMc	Interesting, my REPL bombs out after I run that.
12:50	TimMc	"SocketException The transport's socket appears to have lost its connection to the nREPL server"
12:55	justin_smith	TimMc: yeah, weird...
12:58	TimMc	Using binary search to find it...
12:59	TimMc	set-agent-send-off-executor!
12:59	TimMc	Well, that would do it.
12:59	justin_smith	oh, hahaha
13:00	justin_smith	yeah, I was just gonna say, it breaks a java -jar repl too
13:01	justin_smith	yeah, I think it would be safe for findfn to simply blacklist that
13:01	justin_smith	actually, it could blacklist anything where #(= (last (str %)) \!) safely
13:01	Bronsa	justin_smith: it doesn't for me
13:02	justin_smith	Bronsa: oh, weird - did you try running it a second time?
13:02	justin_smith	it looks OK after the first time
13:02	Bronsa	nope let's try
13:02	justin_smith	but it's secretly broken (here at least)
13:02	justin_smith	running it the second time exposes that brokenness
13:02	Bronsa	oh wow
13:02	Bronsa	I can't even understand what that code does
13:03	justin_smith	tries to run every funciton with nil as an arg and returns the ones that returned ()
13:03	TimMc	Running anything after it exposes the breakage. Just try entering 7.
13:03	Bronsa	ah I see
13:03	Bronsa	I guess it's hitting some non terminating function
13:03	TimMc	It's hitting set-agent-send-off-executor!
13:03	Bronsa	or filling up a threadpool or something
13:03	Bronsa	ah
13:03	Bronsa	nice
13:04	justin_smith	Bronsa: well, if it called (set-agent-send-off-executor! nil) - after that things get dicey right?
13:04	Bronsa	yeah
13:04	TimMc	,(set-agent-send-off-executor! nil)
13:04	Bronsa	:(
13:04	TimMc	,7
13:04	clojurebot	nil
13:04	clojurebot	7
13:04	TimMc	^ I wonder why clojurebot is immune.
13:04	justin_smith	I think the sandboxing will help you there, yeah
13:05	Bronsa	TimMc: that works on my repl
13:06	Bronsa	(a java -jar repl)
13:08	Bronsa	TIL there's a private filter-key function in clojure.core
13:08	TimMc	There's also the private fn >1? -- what else is THE MAN keeping secret?
13:09	justin_smith	TimMc: I smell some prs for the 71 lib
13:09	justin_smith	>71? =71? <71? etc.
13:10	TimMc	ooh
13:10	Bronsa	71->str
13:10	TimMc	but they should be private too, to stay idiomatic
13:10	justin_smith	I mean, given that precedent they should be private of course
13:10	justin_smith	yes
13:10	justin_smith	map->71
13:11	justin_smith	Bronsa: sadly I don't think the reader will accept that one
13:11	Bronsa	yeah you're right :(
13:11	ridcully_	set-agent-send-off-executor-to-71
13:11	Bronsa	ridcully_: missing the bang!
13:11	ridcully_	dang
13:11	TimMc	,(->> clojure.core quote ns-interns (filter (comp :private meta val)) (map key))
13:11	clojurebot	(prependss is-runtime-annotation? imap-cons add-annotation load-data-reader-file ...)
13:11	TimMc	,(->> clojure.core quote ns-interns (filter (comp :private meta val)) count)
13:11	clojurebot	104
13:12	TimMc	(>71? *1) => true
13:12	justin_smith	oh, and let's not forget compare-to-71
13:13	TimMc	win 12
13:13	TimMc	ugh
13:13	justin_smith	TimMc: ITYM win 71
13:13	TimMc	I do
13:13	TimMc	,(>71? 104)
13:13	clojurebot	true
13:13	TimMc	much better
14:32	felixn_	is there a way I can use a clojurescript repl? I'm using cursive ide, so any integration with that would also be nice
14:34	justin_smith	felixn_: yes, there is austin, and also figwheel which wraps up the repl with live code reload etc.
14:35	justin_smith	felixn_: https://github.com/cemerick/austin https://github.com/bhauman/lein-figwheel
14:37	domgetter	felixn_: It's definitely worth watching that 45 minutes talk on Figwheel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-kj2qwJa_E
14:37	domgetter	or at least the first 15 minutes
14:45	felixn_	justin_smith domgetter: awesome, thanks! dinking around with austin. I think it's not working because not all my code works with clojurescript, is there a way I can just play around with it and ignore my project files?
14:45	musteresel	Hi, about java interop: If I have a (defrecord Foo [bar baz]), how can I access the members of a Foo from java? In general: Are there comprehensive examples for interfacing clojure code from java code?
14:47	felixn_	ahh, I'll just keep dinking with it until it works!
14:58	domgetter	musteresel: is it not yournamespace.core.Foo ?
15:05	lokien	is there a way of configuring vim to align my code as I hit tab? I'm becoming bored manually deleting these unnecessary spaces
15:06	ridcully_	`=-` with the cljfmt plugin, `==` with regular bindings
15:07	lokien	ridcully_: after all this time
15:07	lokien	now I can happily sudo apt-get purge intellij*
15:08	musteresel	domgetter: Is this working? Assuming type hints then namespace.core.Foo foo = some_source(); Double d = foo.bar; should work? I currently cannot test this, thus I'm asking ;)
15:09	ridcully_	cljfmt also formats on write (with a repl connection iirc), if that's your thing
15:09	ridcully_	otherwise look into the options vim itself has. e.g. all the `=` stuff
15:09	domgetter	musteresel: I don't know. The docs on it might be of some help? http://clojure.org/datatypes
15:11	lokien	ridcully_: do you use vim-cljfmt? I don't know if it's necessary as == just works
15:12	ridcully_	i use it, as it's a tad more nicer. it also fixes linebreaks etc
15:13	lokien	ridcully_ thanks, I'll use it too
15:13	ridcully_	if you don't like the "auto-format" aspect, i bet it's just a config var away to be turned off and `=-` can still be used (fmt me the current form)
15:14	lokien	any more useful vim plugins? besides fireplace and sexp?
15:14	ridcully_	cljfmt plugin and paredit are the "i insert stuff for you" of the bizarro universe, if you are used to intellij and openoffice "helping"
15:14	devth_	lokien: guns/vim-clojure-highlight
15:14	devth_	moderately useful
15:14	lokien	I had used vim for a long time, now, in anger installed intellij
15:15	ridcully_	the sexp-for-regular-ppl or something like that. that puts some of the sexp shortcuts on "vimy" places
15:15	lokien	I'm purging it right now
15:15	lokien	devth_: I have it already
15:15	ridcully_	and paredit of course
15:15	lokien	sexp + paredit?
15:16	lokien	isn't it sexp or paredit?
15:16	ridcully_	yes, i have disabled some part of sexp
15:16	ridcully_	maybe the bit for the paredit ;)
15:16	lokien	can I have your dotfiles, please?
15:17	ridcully_	i have this set: let g:sexp_enable_insert_mode_mappings = 0
15:18	ridcully_	well that's the bit, that supposedly makes it happy with paredit
15:19	ridcully_	then i only have three other lines. one to map :Figwheel to do some piggiebacking, and map c-c,c-c to eval, since that is what i use also in tslime (i hear some ugh from the emacs ranks)
15:21	lokien	I've installed it, and it hadn't crashed, so I think it's okay
15:21	lokien	what features of paredit do you use? and what things from sexp are better?
15:22	ridcully_	i have used paredit before i used sexp and i stayed with them
15:22	lokien	which*, damn
15:22	lokien	o-kay, will skim through manuals
15:22	ridcully_	paredit just ballances everything automagically. i just do my leader-i, leader-w most of the time
15:24	ridcully_	i never tried sexp alone and i _guess_ that i have some interference. leader-i is iirc from sexp. maybe paredit is no longer used at all. idk,idc
15:26	lokien	I love you ridcully_
15:28	ridcully_	all the "wrap me this" magic is leader-w-<with what> or leader-i for just ()
15:29	sdegutis	Hello.
15:29	sdegutis	Who is having a great time today?
15:29	ridcully_	depending on your keyboard layout (and even then) mapping the leader to e.g. space makes your life easier
15:29	sdegutis	I bet it's TimMc and TEttinger2.
15:30	lokien	sdegutis: I am!
15:30	sdegutis	Alright! High five lokien!
15:31	lokien	ridcully_: I was going through vim primer from daniel messer, I think I should finally add his bindings (he recommends space as leader too)
15:32	lokien	high five, sdegutis! what's up with TimMc and TEttinger2?
15:33	justin_smith	felixn_: usually you have .cljc files for things that work in clojurescript or clojure, cljs for clojurescript files, and clj for clojure files
15:36	sdegutis	lokien: I dunno I just thought maybe they're having a nice day, they're usually so polite and kind in here so they usually seem to be having good days.
15:37	lokien	sdegutis: what about justin_smith?
15:42	justin_smith	I'm always having a terrible day.
15:42	felixn_	justin_smith: played with cljc a bit, it's works really well! I don't need UI for the clojurescript repl, so I ended up finding just piggieback with rhino works. from looking at the austin example, it look like I also had to setup a webserver to script the file, so not sure that's what I wanted for just a cljs repl
15:42	lokien	justin_smith: oh, why? :(
15:43	justin_smith	lokien: just being silly, I should remember that doesn't always translate to IRC
15:44	J_Arcane	so how long until we have cljs running on node so we can write front and back in clojurescript and avoid enormous jvms entirely? ;)
15:44	felixn_	https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/blob/1c4020f63a5b792f08a90434ab6e8be6aa467a82/src/main/clojure/cljs/core/logic.cljs#L210 <-- is there a way I can extract the name from this type? (:name (LVar. "hey" nil)) doesn't work like it does in clojure. also the clojurescript API is slightly different, so I will submit a PR!
15:44	lokien	justin_smith: knew that! you're our wizard here, your days are meant to be awesome
15:45	mgaare	am I wrong in thinking that this should work? (case (class 42) java.lang.Long "yep!" "nope :(")
15:46	sdegutis	lokien: he's always having the best day it would seem
15:46	sdegutis	lokien: on account of how he's always the most helpful even when I'm the most idiotic or rude (sorry about those days justin_smith and everyone else!)
15:47	sdegutis	lokien: and I do believe you're correct, I think justin_smith may have some wizard-blood running through his veins
15:47	amalloy	mgaare: yes, sorry
15:47	sdegutis	Other wise how elsewise would thus he have been able so well and often to contrive such immaculate solutions in pure Clojure for us?
15:47	amalloy	case doesn't evaluate its test clauses, and java.lang.Long is a symbol which evaluates to a class, not a class
15:47	mgaare	amalloy: ok, is there a "right" way to do that?
15:48	sdegutis	amalloy: they have to be constants right?
15:48	sdegutis	mgaare: just use cond when you can't use case
15:48	mgaare	righto
15:48	amalloy	or look (class x) up in a map
15:48	sdegutis	mgaare: or possibly condp when the time is right
15:48	sdegutis	but I've never found a time when condp actually makes my code cleaner than like amalloy said just using a map
15:48	sdegutis	Not sure when I'm sposta use condp
15:48	justin_smith	or nested if clauses if you hate people
15:49	sdegutis	I find that lately my route-handling code has a lot of (cond) in it.
15:49	justin_smith	sdegutis: condp is for when your input and the condition are actually two args to a function
15:49	lokien	sdegutis: this clojure family is so great, I was on #haskell for some time and it's nothing like that
15:49	sdegutis	I'm not sure how I like it so far, but it's cleaner than it used to be, so there's that.
15:49	sdegutis	lokien: Oh yeah this channel is great people. Some of the best I've ever met. Not even sarcasm!
15:49	felixn_	ooo, is there a reason (.-name value) works in clojure & clojurescript, but (:name value) only works in clojurescript?
15:49	justin_smith	,(condp :x = :x "OK" :y "huh?") ; sdegutis - simpler than calling = in every clause
15:50	clojurebot	"OK"
15:50	felixn_	s/only works in clojurescript/only works in clojure/
15:50	sdegutis	lokien: Although you have to mind amalloy he is extremely helpful and knowledgeable but has NO time for putting up with crap, you've gotta be completely serious with him 24/7 but he makes up for it by being excessively helpful and knowledgeable
15:50	sdegutis	justin_smith: but I've rarely had a time when I'm calling = and not just using case
15:50	sdegutis	justin_smith: possibly never actually
15:51	justin_smith	sdegutis: we just discussed a reason to do that just now
15:51	ridcully_	felixn_: (:name somemap) also works ins clojurescript
15:51	mgaare	amalloy: thanks
15:51	lokien	sdegutis: thanks, I'll remember that! can we officially become friends now?
15:51	justin_smith	sdegutis: and sometimes it's not =, what about > for example
15:53	justin_smith	,(condp > 10 1 "sad" 10 "ho-hum" 100 "just fine") ; sdegutis
15:53	clojurebot	"just fine"
15:53	amalloy	the main person i am not interested in putting up with is sdegutis
15:53	TEttinger	that's sweet
15:53	amalloy	which i would not really bring up except he has just cast me as an unfriendly sort
15:53	justin_smith	TEttinger: useful for scoring and gamey stuff I think
15:54	sdegutis	lokien: sure, in Clojure that's super easy: (swap! friends conj 'username)
15:54	felixn_	,(do (deftype Meow [name]) (let [v (Meow. "foo")] [(:name v) (.-name v)])) ; ridcully_: so weird, this returns ["foo" "foo"] in clojure
15:54	clojurebot	[nil "foo"]
15:54	TEttinger	I do think you don't put up with crap amalloy. that is different from being unfriendly
15:54	amalloy	well, that's fair
15:54	justin_smith	felixn_: deftype does not define keyword access, but defrecord does
15:55	TEttinger	I think I put up with crap too much sometimes. I have a hard time telling people they should learn it themselves
15:55	sdegutis	amalloy: you're certainly friendly, no doubt about that! just, got no time for games or jokes.
15:55	justin_smith	felixn_: do you mean "foo" "foo" in cljs?
15:55	felixn_	justin_smith: oohhh, nvm, that doesn't work in clojure. I bet if I check clojure.core.logic it's defrecord XD
15:55	ridcully_	deftype ain't mapish
15:55	sdegutis	amalloy: and that's respectable; anyone who has no time for games or jokes certainly knows the value of his own time
15:55	ridcully_	defrecord is
15:55	lokien	sdegutis: :D
15:56	sdegutis	amalloy: I admire that and it inspires me to waste less time
15:56	amalloy	haha
15:56	sdegutis	So with that.. I'm off to continue working on my /very first legit programming language ever/!
15:56	ridcully_	oO
15:56	sdegutis	:D:D:D
15:56	ridcully_	i said something wrong
15:57	felixn_	justin_smith & ridcully_: disregard, clojure.core.logic sets up a clojure.lang.ILookup for :name on the type, I was just getting really confused
15:59	sdegutis	I was trying to use core.match to help make my route handling functions a little cleaner, but I'm not sure it really helped. What's the intended use-case or best use-case for this lib?
16:00	justin_smith	felixn_: yeah, that's an interface
16:05	felixn_	with the new reader conditionals, will we see more core libs use that instead of duplicating code for clj & cljs?
16:05	justin_smith	one would hope
16:06	dnolen	felixn_: sure if people submit the non-trivial patches needed to push that forward
16:11	lokien	where to add :repl-options in my profiles.clj? I can't find an example
16:11	justin_smith	lokien: either at the top level or inside a specific profile where you want them applied
16:12	TimMc	amalloy is srs bsns
16:13	lokien	justin_smith: http://lpaste.net/148059
16:13	amalloy	TimMc banned for ten hours for poking fun at amalloy
16:13	TimMc	/nick TimMac
16:13	lokien	McTim would be better
16:13	TimMc	MC Tim
16:14	sdegutis	:D
16:14	amalloy	ten more hours for ban evasion. u in real trouble now, mister
16:14	justin_smith	lokien: looks good https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/blob/master/sample.project.clj#L335
16:14	sdegutis	wow amalloy apparently I had you pegged wrong all along!
16:14	lokien	put him in a monad, amalloy, it always works
16:15	amalloy	lokien: is that why it's called bind?
16:15	TimMc	bonding over bans
16:15	felixn_	https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/blob/master/src/test/cljs/cljs/core/logic/tests.cljs#L7 <-- does a definition starting with a hyphen mean anything? experimental? wondering why the clojurescript version has hyphens in front of some definitions
16:15	lokien	justin_smith: doesn't work though. "vim-cljfmt: Could not locate cljfmt/core__init.class or cljfmt/core.clj on classpath."
16:16	lokien	amalloy: I suppose
16:16	justin_smith	lokien: umm - how would you get that error unless your code ran?
16:16	lokien	amalloy: I don't know if it's a serious-enough-topic for you though
16:16	BRODUS	felixn_: i just think thats signalling that they're private
16:16	lokien	:D
16:17	lokien	justin_smith: I just do :Cljfmt and this pops out, it was supposed to work
16:17	justin_smith	lokien: a classpath error doesn't mean you have to call require, it means that your deps are wrong
16:17	clojurebot	excusez-moi
16:17	justin_smith	lokien: a require will raise that error if you don't have the right deps for the thing you are requiring
16:18	justin_smith	,(require 'this-does-not.exist)
16:18	lokien	justin_smith: so, my deps are wrong?
16:18	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "Could not locate this_does_not/exist__init.class or this_does_not/exist.clj on classpath. Please check that namespaces with dashes use underscores in the Clojure file name."\n :via\n [{:type java.io.FileNotFoundException\n :message "Could not locate this_does_not/exist__init.class or this_does_not/exist.clj on classpath. Please check that namespaces with dashes use underscores...
16:18	justin_smith	lokien: yeah, what project would provide the cljfmt.core namespace?
16:19	lokien	justin_smith: my project! /silently adds deps to his project.clj
16:19	justin_smith	lokien: I'm sure it's something easy to find, and it needs to be in your deps or plugins somewhere
16:19	justin_smith	:)
16:20	lokien	I forgot to add it, sorry for making a trivial problem
16:20	ridcully_	lokien: you just need to add cljfmt to the dependencies in your ~/.lein/profiles.clj
16:21	ridcully_	this and the addon should be enough to make it work with a nrepl connection
16:21	lokien	ridcully_: yeah, I wanted to do that, but I switched tabs and you were talking about funny stuff and I forgot :(
16:21	ridcully_	i certainly was not talking funny stuff ;P
16:22	lokien	"you" was plural here
16:23	lokien	ridcully_: by the way, when I type :Console, my fireplace should connect to this repl straight away, yeah?
16:23	ridcully_	if you have salve installed
16:24	lokien	I have it, but it doesn't make a connection
16:24	ridcully_	otherwise either start with a running nrepl in that directory (.nrepl-port file existing) or do a :Connect <theurl>
16:24	lokien	aand I can't remap leader to space, vim is so great
16:25	lokien	vim-salve installed, doesn't work. :(
16:25	domgetter	lokien: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/446269/can-i-use-space-as-mapleader-in-vim
16:25	domgetter	?
16:26	lokien	domgetter: doesn't work
16:26	lokien	<\Space> doesn't work too
16:26	domgetter	lokien: "As spacemanaki comments in the question above nnoremap <SPACE> <Nop> was needed to get this working. "
16:26	domgetter	Even after that?
16:28	ridcully_	lokien: this is what i have: https://www.refheap.com/205b710b37a6b703cd3d18efb
16:28	lokien	even after that
16:28	ridcully_	lokien: the url there seems rather unrelated - ignore it
16:28	ridcully_	this is on linux + xterm. ymmv
16:29	ridcully_	if \ is _not_ the default leader in vim, then i used that before and kept that around
16:29	lokien	ridcully_: it works! you wonderful santa incarnate
16:31	ridcully_	satan incarnate? thanks!
16:33	lokien	ridcully_ still no live REPL connection, so, yeah, I guess
16:35	ridcully_	:Console needs some setup - things like. iirc i setup tmux to be used. otherwise it starts a new xterm. there should be some "result" from :Console
16:35	ridcully_	s/like/& where to start/
16:35	lokien	:Console fires up another terminal and a repl in it. it's ran from a weird place though, it doesn't even see my namespace
16:36	ridcully_	first step: start your `lein repl` by hand, get the url there and do :Connect <url>
16:36	lokien	(use 'something.core) doesn't work
16:36	lokien	works
16:36	lokien	I mean, :Connect works
16:37	ridcully_	are starting your vim from the directory the project.clj is in?
16:37	lokien	yeah
16:37	justin_smith	you can double check with (System/getenv "PWD")
16:37	lokien	vim src/something/core.clj
16:38	lokien	"/home/lokien/cl/something"
16:40	ridcully_	tried that. works for me. even if there is no tmux a new xterm is opened then. :Console opens a lein repl; then a `cpp` in that opens file works
16:40	lokien	it works, justin_smith is a wizard, confirmed
16:40	ridcully_	s/opens/opened/
16:40	lokien	I don't know, I just typed the same commands, and it wonderfully worked
16:40	lokien	thank you all
16:41	lokien	now it doesn't work!
16:42	lokien	I type :Console, new terminal is opened with a repl in it. in that repl, I can't use my project's namespace
16:42	pilne	hrm, apply is kinda like fold (but is it foldr, or foldl?)
16:42	ridcully_	it is just a helper to fire up lein repl. there should be no "on-off-behaviour"
16:43	justin_smith	lokien: did you try requiring that namespace?
16:43	lokien	justin_smith: where?
16:43	justin_smith	in the repl
16:43	justin_smith	(require 'my.ns :reload) - you should either be able to access your ns, or get an error message
16:43	ridcully_	and are you typing in the repl or are you sending commands over from vim?
16:43	lokien	FileNotFoundException Could not locate
16:44	justin_smith	:reload is in case there was a prior error loading it that was hidden
16:44	lokien	(System/getenv "PWD") gives me my home directory, strangely
16:44	lokien	"/home/lokien"
16:44	justin_smith	that would be your problem right there
16:45	justin_smith	it got launched from the wrong place
16:45	lokien	from dir where I have my project.clj
16:45	justin_smith	it should depend on either what dir you were in when you started vim, or what file you are editing?
16:45	justin_smith	what file were you visiting when you started the repl?
16:45	ridcully_	cd into the dir, where your project.clj is, then just `vim` and :Console
16:46	ridcully_	:Console does not even autocomplete, outside of a project
16:46	lokien	vim src/something/core.clj, yeah?
16:46	ridcully_	try just `vim` first
16:47	ridcully_	i tried with a relative file, and it worked for me
16:47	lokien	Not an editor command: Console
16:47	lokien	:(
16:47	kopasetik	Is there an evalbot on this channel?
16:48	justin_smith	,'yes
16:48	lokien	,(println "here i am")
16:48	clojurebot	yes
16:48	clojurebot	here i am\n
16:48	ridcully_	are you doing a :cd in vim?
16:48	lokien	ridcully: no
16:48	lokien	ridcully_ *
16:49	LauJensen	Gents, datomic question. I have some :days/* which stores stats on a given day, and each day references 24 :day/hours where information specific to each hour. The ID for each day is :day/date (instant). How do I best extract every :hour/whatever value for dates in a given range?
16:51	lokien	ridcully_: vim project.clj and :Console from there doesn't work also. I'll reinstall salve
16:52	ridcully_	lokien: i am out of ideas then. i installed salve for the other commands and console is just a tad convinience for me. starting the repl first and then just starting vim in that dir should work relyable. i also usually have it running in tmux - don't know, if there are differences with the newly spawned xterm
16:52	justin_smith	,,,,,',,,,,',,,,,',,,,',,,,',,,,'""
16:52	clojurebot	(quote (quote (quote (quote (quote "")))))
16:52	lokien	ridcully_: it had worked for me, but now it's broken, dunno why. thanks for help :)
16:53	ridcully_	lokien: this is the git commitid of salve i run, if it helps: a0dc869
16:55	lokien	ridcully_: I.. I think it's fish
16:56	ridcully_	the protocol or the sea creature?
16:56	lokien	it's not fish, fake info. friendly interactive shell
16:58	lokien	going to sleep now, I'll look at that tomorrow. thanks again ridcully_
16:58	ridcully_	yw
17:01	kopasetik	justin_smith and lokien: thanks!
17:10	devth	mistakenly assumed mapcat == (comp flatten map) but flatten goes crazy and flattens everything
17:11	devth	found when trying to switch to pmap
17:11	justin_smith	~flatten
17:11	devth	since pmapcat doesn't exist
17:11	clojurebot	flatten is rarely the right answer. Suppose you need to use a list as your "base type", for example. Usually you only want to flatten a single level, and in that case you're better off with concat. Or, better still, use mapcat to produce a sequence that's shaped right to begin with.
17:11	justin_smith	devth: flatten is kind of wacky
17:11	devth	oh right
17:11	devth	the cat is for concat
17:11	sdegutis	Yeah I never use flatten.
17:11	justin_smith	,(flatten {:a 0 :b 1 :c [1 2 3]}) ; user error, but really...
17:12	clojurebot	()
17:12	sdegutis	I always just do mapcat or for with two pairs.
17:12	sdegutis	That's great enough.
17:12	devth	so: mapcat == (comp concat map) right?
17:12	justin_smith	(source mapcat)
17:12	justin_smith	,(source mapcat)
17:12	clojurebot	Source not found\n
17:13	devth	yep
17:13	devth	ran it in my repl
17:13	sdegutis	(src mapcat)
17:13	sdegutis	,(src mapcat)
17:13	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "Unable to resolve symbol: src in this context"\n :via\n [{:type clojure.lang.Compiler$CompilerException\n :message "java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: src in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)"\n :at [clojure.lang.Compiler analyze "Compiler.java" 6704]}\n {:type java.lang.RuntimeException\n :message "Unable to resolve symbol: src in this conte...
17:13	sdegutis	clojurebot: come on man why you gotta be that way
17:13	clojurebot	It's greek to me.
17:13	justin_smith	sdegutis: src is not a thing
17:14	devth	(apply concat (apply map f colls))
17:14	ptrx	hello, i am new to clojure and just discovered libGDX. From what i understand i have ideally one clojure codebase and can target libGDX over the RoboVM with it and deploy my app to all kind a platforms. Is this correct? I am interested in gui apps, which arent games. Would i still want to use this combination or are there other tools? Thanks in advance! =)
17:16	justin_smith	ptrx: cljs with one of the react libs (om, reagent, etc.) is good for webapps if that's an option. Otherwise there is seesaw (swing bindings) or javafx - I think there's some clojure binding to javafx out there
17:16	justin_smith	pilne: I'm gonna make a tutorial that assumes one is using ed
17:16	pilne	bwahahahahahaha
17:17	pilne	line-only-editing ftw
17:17	justin_smith	I mean it's the most universally installed editor in existence, right?
17:17	ptrx	justin_smith, thank you =)
17:17	sdegutis	What is? vi?
17:17	sdegutis	Oh wait no ed.
17:17	sdegutis	Is sed just like a super ed?
17:18	pilne	i mean.... don't get me wrong.... i have zero hate for emacs... but... when i'm looking for a decent sized project tutorial to grok clojure a bit better... (i learn better that way), i don't want to have to use it
17:18	sdegutis	Like, ed++?
17:18	pilne	sed and ed are... really different in use
17:18	justin_smith	ptrx: of all the options I think seesaw is probably easiest to jump into in a clojure way, react webapp is likely the most powerful option right now, and javafx will look and act more like a regular desktop app compared to the other options
17:18	sdegutis	pilne: sure that's fine, no loss.. I can't really use anything except emacs when s-expressions are involved on account of paredit
17:18	WorldsEndless	I tried to index a collection of page objects using zipmap with range, and the order came back shuffled. Should I be using a different function, or should I sort?
17:18	justin_smith	sdegutis: sam is super ed
17:19	sdegutis	justin_smith: I'm still waiting a few years for the react/etc ecosystem to settle down and finally land on something sane before I jump into that + Electron
17:19	pilne	eh, atom, light table, and vim all support paredit from what i've found (and i prefer all three of those (in vim mode for 2 of them) to emacs just for muscle memory.... something tells me i chose the wrong pil years ago
17:19	WorldsEndless	That is, they are assigned the right number, but they come back "1, 7, 13, 3" or some such order
17:19	sdegutis	justin_smith: cuz as it is right now its quite a bit ridiculous to get started with or even use, although reagent looks cool for simple things
17:19	justin_smith	WorldsEndless: hash-maps are not ordered, if you want an ordered map user sorted-map
17:20	sdegutis	justin_smith: wow you're just full of useful Clojure tips/tricks/did-you-know-about
17:20	ridcully_	they appear ordered for some smaller amount of elements. 32?
17:21	pilne	i guess i could just hack and chop my way through some things on rosetta code instead, project euler is fun, but it is all number crunching >.<
17:21	WorldsEndless	ridcully_: I have fewer than 32 and it's bonkers...
17:21	sdegutis	my goal in #clojure is to be helpful often, increasing the chance that someone will compliment me on being helpful, at which point i can reply "Shut up baby I know it B)"
17:21	justin_smith	ridcully_: I think it's 8
17:21	justin_smith	,(zipmap (range 7) (range))
17:21	clojurebot	{0 0, 1 1, 2 2, 3 3, 4 4, ...}
17:21	justin_smith	,(zipmap (range 8) (range))
17:21	clojurebot	{0 0, 1 1, 2 2, 3 3, 4 4, ...}
17:21	justin_smith	,(zipmap (range 12) (range))
17:21	clojurebot	{0 0, 7 7, 1 1, 4 4, 6 6, ...}
17:22	WorldsEndless	Yup, that's my problem....
17:22	WorldsEndless	So, (sorted-map (zipmap...))
17:22	terom	,(map-indexed vector (range 10))
17:22	clojurebot	([0 0] [1 1] [2 2] [3 3] [4 4] ...)
17:22	pilne	hrm... since haskell, lisp, scheme, and clojure all play extraordinarily well with emacs, maybe i should just take the plunge
17:22	justin_smith	,(into (sorted-map) (map vector (range 8) (range)))
17:22	clojurebot	{0 0, 1 1, 2 2, 3 3, 4 4, ...}
17:22	pilne	(my favorite languages)
17:22	justin_smith	,(into (sorted-map) (zipmap (range 8) (range)))
17:22	clojurebot	{0 0, 1 1, 2 2, 3 3, 4 4, ...}
17:23	ridcully_	yeah it's 8
17:23	WorldsEndless	Ah, into sorted-map did the trick.
17:23	WorldsEndless	Thanks!
17:24	pilne	now to find the best "default clojure" setup for emacs....
17:26	sdegutis	pilne: just install clojure-mode and paredit
17:26	sdegutis	pilne: also cider
17:26	sdegutis	then bam you're done
17:40	LauJensen	Gents, datomic question. I have some :days/* which stores stats on a given day, and each day references 24 :day/hours where information specific to each hour. The ID for each day is :day/date (instant). How do I best extract every :hour/whatever value for dates in a given range?
17:44	pilne	AAARRGGHHHHHHH!!!! unity's default bindings make using the meta key in frickin emacs impossibru >.<
17:45	justin_smith	option a: delete emacs, option b: change the default binding key?
17:45	pilne	sadly it isn't just one binding....
17:45	justin_smith	pilne: you can change the meta key it uses
17:45	pilne	(onyxia style)
17:45	pilne	or i can take this as my hint to gtfo from unity
17:46	justin_smith	pilne: in either emacs or unity, there are configs that change which key means "meta", one of them can have the windows/apple key
17:46	justin_smith	that works too
17:46	pilne	does gnome 3 do stupid stuff with the meta key by default that anyone knows of?
17:53	justin_smith	is there a browser plugin that makes js code run slower?
17:53	justin_smith	like - intentionally, I want to run this like at 1/1000 speed
17:55	pilne	hrm... maybe i'll just go with mate... i don't remember having these issues with rogue meta key shennanigans back in the gnome2 days >.<
17:55	amalloy	justin_smith: would the js stepping debugger do?
17:55	ridcully_	justin_smith: use IE ducks and runs
17:56	Glenjamin	you could use a transpiler to add a while loop between every statement
17:56	justin_smith	amalloy: the problem is that my bug causes the script to redirect before I can intervene - I want to see the steps before that happens
17:57	justin_smith	amalloy: I can't even get at the UI to enable a breakpoint - maybe if I turn js off, enable the breakpoint, then turn it on?
17:57	Glenjamin	at that point i rely on console logging with console persistence-on-page-change
17:57	justin_smith	pilne: http://askubuntu.com/questions/122209/how-do-i-modify-or-disable-the-huds-use-of-the-alt-key
17:58	justin_smith	Glenjamin: how does persistence-on-page-change happen?
17:58	Glenjamin	erm, there's usually a toggle in the browser
17:59	justin_smith	oh... that's what "preserve log" means... I thought it would be like a save-as prompt or something
17:59	Glenjamin	you in chrome?
17:59	Glenjamin	ah, yeah - that
17:59	justin_smith	Glenjamin: that will do it, thanks so much
18:00	pilne	ok, before i do anything drastic, emacs default "meta" is alt and not the "super" key yes?
18:01	justin_smith	pilne: yes - but you can pick
18:01	justin_smith	it can use either one
18:01	justin_smith	or both!
18:04	pilne	ok, i can live with this
18:04	pilne	justin_smith, saving raging sleep-deprived clojurians one google at a time
18:06	justin_smith	pilne: it's something I've handled myself, back when I tried unity
18:07	pilne	sometimes i hate how much i like it in general....
18:07	pilne	i feel like i'm betryaing the FOSS mentality a bit by sticking with ubuntu/unity, but... life does not allow for me to jump ship and get comfy somewhere else right now (too many pressing deadlines overall)
18:07	justin_smith	it's not bad, except the terrible amazon tyin stuff
18:08	pilne	which i nuked
18:08	justin_smith	right, problem solved
18:08	pilne	well, at least disabled, because nuking it makes a lot of stuff... quirky
18:08	pilne	although i do use amazon a lot, i'd like to "choose" what they know about me >.<
18:08	pilne	otherwise the prime account i share with the gf might have a lot of programming books as reccomendations, instead of things she would actually be interested in lol
18:09	pilne	.... which might save some money now that i think of it lol
18:11	Glenjamin	you can have separate accounts and share prime
18:12	pilne	meh, that's true, i have an old account that i rarely use these days that i could tie to unity, but... nah
18:12	ben_vulpes	should i be surprised that function calls in a let don't throw exceptions?
18:13	justin_smith	ben_vulpes: depends, are they lazy?
18:13	pilne	i'm honestly still trying to transition myself to gnome3 or mate, and possibly fedora down the line, but... since the long-term goal is game dev... and steam seems a "decent" way to go... i feel a bit tied to ubuntu/steam (in hopes of minimizing headaches when i get to that point)
18:13	ben_vulpes	justin_smith: might be. the one in question is a my own function call wrapped around a datomic insertion.
18:14	justin_smith	ben_vulpes: datomic stuff is often lazy in my fuzzy recollection
18:14	ben_vulpes	yup.
18:14	ben_vulpes	looks like datomic transactions return a future
18:17	ben_vulpes	soooo i should probably deref all datomic-produced futures, neh?
18:17	justin_smith	ben_vulpes: well, if you wanna know how they did, sure
19:19	pilne	need moar monitors >.<
19:29	pilne	and about them electric fences... ren and stimpy taught me that it is a bad idea to piss on them
19:53	Shayanjm	grats on the new gig arrdem :)
20:05	pilne	hmmm, so by this definition "or returns either the first truthy value or the last value. and returns the first falsey value or, if no values are falsey, the last truthy value." 'and' and 'or' do not "short circut"?
20:11	pilne	nevermind... i confused myself
20:49	justin_smith	,(and :pilne false (/ 1 0))
20:49	clojurebot	false
20:51	pilne	yeah... took a bit of re-reading and futzing with the REPL but i got it (:
20:51	pilne	and... other than getting used to the keybinds... emacs is rocking my socks
20:52	pilne	years ago i went with vim because vi is on every single unix box by default, logically i should have learned enough to just do what i needed to do.. and then learned emacs too
20:52	pilne	hindsight is 20/20
21:05	TimMc	pilne: Have you used vim extensively before?
21:08	princeso	how do we avoid in a function getting the args in double parenthesis ((...)) when invoquing like (a-func (cons a b))
21:08	TimMc	I know that plenty of people use vim for Clojure quite happily.
21:08	justin_smith	princeso: this is what the -> and ->> macros are for
21:09	justin_smith	princeso: though usually we use those when there are more than 3 or 4 nestings
21:09	TimMc	Is it? I was having trouble understanding the question.
21:09	justin_smith	(-> (cons a b) a-func)
21:09	justin_smith	TimMc: I figured princeso was talking about argument nesting in parens
21:09	princeso	akey man. let me try :)
21:13	pilne	i've used vim, but the solutions it gives for "pseudo buffers" always didn't feel "right" for some reason
21:13	pilne	i'm probably going to give spacemacs a shot here after a little while tbh
21:16	TimMc	heh
21:23	princeso	justin_smith it is a macro. A macro that call itself this is the part `(a-macro ~(cons case- (next (next body)))) . Works good exept it get the args in doubles ((args))
21:24	justin_smith	princeso: maybe you want arg splicing?
21:24	justin_smith	`(a ~@[b c d])
21:24	justin_smith	,`(a ~@[b c d])
21:24	clojurebot	#error {\n :cause "Unable to resolve symbol: b in this context"\n :via\n [{:type clojure.lang.Compiler$CompilerException\n :message "java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: b in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)"\n :at [clojure.lang.Compiler analyze "Compiler.java" 6704]}\n {:type java.lang.RuntimeException\n :message "Unable to resolve symbol: b in this context"\n ...
21:24	justin_smith	,`(a ~@'[b c d])
21:24	clojurebot	(sandbox/a b c d)
21:25	princeso	justin_smith thank a lot, let me try
21:38	devth	tfw lein clean takes more than 10 minutes
21:38	devth	i don't get it. isn't it just rm'ing some stuff?
21:39	justin_smith	that's all it should be doing, yeah
21:39	justin_smith	hanging prep task?
21:40	devth	not sure. i don't have any custom tasks on this project
21:40	justin_smith	devth: you can run jstack to see what all the threads in a jvm are doing, if you share a paste link we can probably figure out why it is stuck
21:40	justin_smith	jstack comes with the jdk, it's a command line program 'jstack PID'
21:40	devth	k let me figure out my lein pid
21:40	devth	i have quite a few ...
21:42	devth	hey that kinda looks like a kill -3 on a java process
21:42	devth	https://gist.github.com/devth/13b0731fd7fa2b75d36b
21:42	devth	not totally sure that's the right one
21:43	devth	hm a killall java didn't kill lein
21:44	justin_smith	devth: that was a dump of drip - drip is a tool that keeps jvms ready to deploy to speed up startup
21:44	devth	k
21:44	devth	killing off all my various repls..
21:44	devth	so i can hone in on the correct one
21:45	TimMc	Where's that site that tells you relative usage of different clojure libraries?
21:45	justin_smith	devth: if you use ps ax you can see the command line args
21:45	justin_smith	the one running clean should be distinctive
21:45	devth	that's what i'm using
21:45	devth	they're all huge
21:45	devth	and some are on related projects
21:45	justin_smith	TimMc: crossclj.info
21:46	justin_smith	devth: but they shouldn't all have "clean" as part of their command line
21:46	devth	justin_smith: after i killed off all my repls `lein clean` ran in ~2s
21:46	devth	oh i should have looked for that before i killed it
21:46	devth	ok next time...
21:46	devth	for some reason having a bunch of other `lein repl`s caused lein clean to hang
21:47	TimMc	justin_smith: I'm trying to figure out if there's a more or less canonical fork of clj-aws-s3 that is up to date.
21:47	justin_smith	devth: if you plan to run multiple repls in one project, here's a neat trick: 'lein cp > classpath'; rlwrap java -cp $(cat classpath) clojure.main
21:47	TimMc	There are a bunch of forks.
21:48	justin_smith	devth: after the first time you run cp, you don't need to run it again until you change project.clj
21:48	devth	justin_smith: i usually run 1 per project but that's a cool trick to know
21:48	devth	im gonna put it in my zshrc :D
21:49	justin_smith	TimMc: oh yeah - looks like crossclj.info only tracks one of them
21:49	justin_smith	devth: well it's two parts - you only need to run the lein cp once, then you can run the java -cp part multiple times - starts much faster than lein repl
21:49	devth	nice
21:50	devth	i've been restarting my repl a ton due to poor reloadability
21:50	devth	justin_smith: do you use component or whatever?
21:50	justin_smith	why aren't you coding reloadably?
21:50	justin_smith	devth: yeah, I use stuartsierra's component lib
21:50	devth	legacy code
21:50	devth	on the todo list :)
21:52	devth	that was just due to a huge refactoring though. normally i just reload namespaces.
21:54	devth	time to `lein release` 🎉
21:56	princeso	justin_smith thak you man. yuo are a life saver :) Yes it worked with splicing ~@(cons ....
22:32	princeso	justin_smith This was the macro, if yuo have a break. http://pastebin.com/yD9PPXA6
22:40	ben_vulpes	aaaa datomic pull api is teh dopeness
23:06	ben_vulpes	does anyone have a hot tip for enforcing that .cljs files get cider-load-file'd into the CLJS repl and that .clj files get idem'd into the clojure-proper repl?