2014-02-08
| 00:11 | sdegutis | It works pretty great. |
| 00:11 | sdegutis | Just loaded a file from it. Yay. |
| 00:54 | sm0ke | so guys how efficient is? ##(def fib-seq (lazy-cat [1 1] (map + (rest fib-seq) fib-seq))) |
| 00:54 | lazybot | java.lang.SecurityException: You tripped the alarm! def is bad! |
| 00:54 | sm0ke | ,(def fib-seq (lazy-cat [1 1] (map + (rest fib-seq) fib-seq))) |
| 00:54 | clojurebot | #'sandbox/fib-seq |
| 00:55 | sm0ke | ,(last (take 1000000 fib-seq)) |
| 00:55 | clojurebot | #<ArithmeticException java.lang.ArithmeticException: integer overflow> |
| 00:55 | sm0ke | and why doesnt clojure promote integers to Biginteger? |
| 00:58 | tmciver | sm0ke: It does if you use +' |
| 00:59 | sm0ke | ,(def fib-seq (lazy-cat [1 1] (map +' (rest fib-seq) fib-seq))) |
| 00:59 | sm0ke | ,(last (take 1000000 fib-seq)) |
| 00:59 | clojurebot | #'sandbox/fib-seq |
| 00:59 | clojurebot | #<OutOfMemoryError java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space> |
| 00:59 | sm0ke | haha |
| 01:00 | sm0ke | hmm ok seems to run fine in my repl |
| 01:00 | sm0ke | clojurebot is more restrictive is guess |
| 01:00 | sm0ke | whats +' ? |
| 01:00 | sm0ke | (doc +') |
| 01:00 | sm0ke | ,(doc +') |
| 01:00 | clojurebot | eval service is offline |
| 01:00 | clojurebot | eval service is offline |
| 01:00 | tmciver | It's checked addition. |
| 01:01 | tmciver | (+ is unchecked) |
| 01:01 | tmciver | the docs say that +' supports arbitrary precision. |
| 01:01 | sm0ke | ok |
| 01:02 | tmciver | +' is therefore slower. |
| 01:03 | sm0ke | that fib-seq definition is weird, what is it doing? |
| 01:03 | sm0ke | for sure it doesnt look like recursion |
| 01:03 | sm0ke | as fib-seq is not a function |
| 01:05 | benkay` | can someone explain the behavior of for in this context: ,(for [i "foobar"] (println i)) |
| 01:05 | benkay` | ,(fir [i "foobar"] (println i)) |
| 01:05 | clojurebot | eval service is offline |
| 01:05 | benkay` | ,(for [i "foobar"] (println i)) |
| 01:05 | clojurebot | (f\no\nnil o\nnil b\nnil a\nnil r\nnil ...) |
| 01:06 | tmciver | benkay`: i get each letter of "foobar" in turn. the nils are returned by println. |
| 01:06 | tmciver | *i gets* |
| 01:06 | benkay` | ahh |
| 01:06 | sm0ke | benkay`: its list comprehension |
| 01:06 | sm0ke | so you get a list of nils |
| 01:06 | benkay` | ,(for [i "foobar"] (print i)) |
| 01:06 | clojurebot | (fonil onil bnil anil rnil ...) |
| 01:07 | benkay` | i'm still not quite grokking where the nils are coming from in the list comprehension |
| 01:07 | sm0ke | but also the stdout is mixed with the list output and print statements |
| 01:07 | sm0ke | ,(for [c "foobar"] c) |
| 01:07 | clojurebot | (\f \o \o \b \a ...) |
| 01:07 | benkay` | ah ha |
| 01:08 | benkay` | now i do grok. thanks. |
| 01:08 | benkay` | ,(inc sm0ke) |
| 01:08 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: sm0ke in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 01:08 | sm0ke | haha |
| 01:09 | sm0ke | (inc benkay`) |
| 01:09 | lazybot | ⇒ 1 |
| 01:09 | benkay` | (inc sm0ke) |
| 01:09 | lazybot | ⇒ 3 |
| 01:16 | seangrove | I may be going crazy, but I swear google closure had UUID generation already |
| 01:23 | LLKCKfan | Is there any natural ways to relieve pain without using herbs or weed? No drugs |
| 01:23 | dsrx | start writing clojure instead of java |
| 01:25 | srruby | excercise. |
| 01:25 | srruby | exercise |
| 01:26 | dnolen | seangrove: it does |
| 01:27 | seangrove | dnolen: Been googling for quite a bit, searched the docs, and I can't seem to find it. |
| 01:36 | muhuk | (defprotocol Test) (extends? Test (reify Test)) => true |
| 01:37 | muhuk | why does this throw ClassCastException? |
| 01:37 | muhuk | do I have to use a record or type? |
| 02:10 | aka | seangrove: having sex should relieve some pain |
| 02:11 | aka | unless the pain is on your... |
| 02:11 | seangrove | I feel I have been unfairly targeted. |
| 02:16 | dsrx | seangrove: now you've made me feel crazy, because I thought the same thing as you but also can't find it |
| 02:21 | dsrx | $ cd closure-library && git grep -i uuid | wc -l |
| 02:21 | dsrx | 0 |
| 02:22 | dsrx | ahhh... |
| 02:22 | dsrx | seangrove: this is what I was thinking of I think. not a universally UID, but locally http://docs.closure-library.googlecode.com/git/closure_goog_base.js.html#goog.getUid |
| 02:23 | egghead | life is too short for uuids |
| 02:25 | dsrx | function YoloID() { return Math.floor(Math.random() * 1024).toString(16); } |
| 02:32 | egghead | seangrove: you could tweet about it |
| 02:32 | LLKCKfan | Is there any natural ways to relieve pain without using herbs or weed? No drugs |
| 02:41 | benkay` | hey all - how would you recommend that I go about testing a little tcp client that i'm working on? i'm most interested in the actual bytes going across the wire as opposed to deserializing them myself. |
| 02:43 | benkay` | i'm looking at aphyr's reimann clojure client's tests (https://github.com/aphyr/riemann-clojure-client/blob/master/test/riemann/client_test.clj) and not seeing too much that's terribly helpful. |
| 02:43 | benkay` | i'm on the fence about firing up wireshark and diddling with filters till i turn blue in the face but i figure there has to be a better solution |
| 03:11 | benkay` | well in any event if any of y'all wake in the morning and want to help a kid out, i've SO'd the question in question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21643561/test-harness-for-a-clojure-tcp-client |
| 04:06 | piranha | is it possible to start cljsbuild auto and some http server simultaneously? |
| 04:32 | piranha | how do I get a function from namespace by its name? |
| 05:40 | sm0ke | ,(keys (ns-public 'clojure.core)) |
| 05:40 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: ns-public in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 05:41 | sm0ke | i cant seem to find a take-while function in clojure, whats the alternative? |
| 05:41 | sm0ke | oh |
| 05:41 | sm0ke | there is |
| 05:45 | borkdude | I maybe want to start over with my emacs config to make it more lightweight than my emacs live config |
| 05:45 | borkdude | any tips on a starter kit which is currently hip |
| 05:50 | sm0ke | 2 ; problem 3¬ |
| 05:50 | sm0ke | 1 (defn prime-factors [n]¬ |
| 05:50 | sm0ke | oh my gawd |
| 05:50 | sm0ke | sorry |
| 05:51 | jack_rabbit | indeed. |
| 05:51 | sm0ke | frkn touchpads |
| 05:53 | jack_rabbit | the horror |
| 05:56 | borkdude | btw, how I can detach a tmux in which I entered: emacs foo.txt |
| 05:57 | borkdude | shell-command tmux-detach? |
| 07:32 | sm0ke | ,(def a (delay (do (prn:ok) 1))) |
| 07:32 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: prn:ok in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 07:32 | sm0ke | ,(def a (delay (do (prn :ok) 1))) |
| 07:32 | clojurebot | #'sandbox/a |
| 07:32 | sm0ke | ,(force a) |
| 07:32 | clojurebot | :ok\n1 |
| 07:32 | sm0ke | weird |
| 07:33 | sm0ke | i had an old repl open and was getting npe, restarting repl seems to have fixed it |
| 07:37 | sm0ke | a tree fell in the forest did someone hear the sound |
| 08:29 | zaiste | invasmani: thanks! it's fixed now |
| 08:29 | logic_prog | does (binding [ ...] ) work in cljs? it appears I'm just getting nil back |
| 09:50 | nlminhtl | Hi guys, did anybody solve a problem with Leiningen for IDEA 13? https://gist.github.com/Ignotus/08412bf852e2a945a5d3 |
| 09:50 | ForNeVeR | I also have the same problem. |
| 09:50 | nlminhtl | ForNeVeR: >__< |
| 09:50 | nlminhtl | ForNeVeR: you! |
| 09:50 | ForNeVeR | It seems that LocatableConfigurationType interface was deprecated and now is gone. |
| 09:50 | ForNeVeR | nlminhtl: no you. |
| 09:52 | ForNeVeR | Documentation suggests to implement RuntimeConfigurationProducer instead. Should we patch the plugin? Who is responsible for that? |
| 09:53 | ForNeVeR | And it seems that this issue is already fixed in master: https://github.com/derkork/intellij-leiningen-plugin/commit/b41a23a70463a21302ede546b3aea753ca293e8a |
| 09:53 | ForNeVeR | So... WTF? |
| 10:15 | bartxx | hi, is there a way to save state of core.async's go state machine? |
| 10:16 | bartxx | to save to file |
| 10:35 | ForNeVeR | Well, if anyone interested, I've forked the IDEA Leiningen plugin and I'll try to maintain it. Latest release 0.3.5 is compatible with IDEA 13 and published on github: https://github.com/codingteam/intellij-leiningen-plugin/releases |
| 10:36 | ForNeVeR | Hopefully the cursiveclojure project will release something soon, so we will not need to maintain it. |
| 10:47 | benmoss | anyone familiar with how cljs' load-file works, and if there's a way to determine if a ns exists? |
| 10:52 | AimHere | ,(all-ns) |
| 10:52 | clojurebot | (#<Namespace clojure.uuid> #<Namespace user> #<Namespace clojure.core> #<Namespace sandbox> #<Namespace clojure.repl> ...) |
| 10:53 | AimHere | ,(find-ns 'clojure.core) |
| 10:53 | clojurebot | #<Namespace clojure.core> |
| 10:53 | AimHere | ,(find-ns 'clojure.wibble) |
| 10:53 | clojurebot | nil |
| 10:55 | benmoss | cool, thanks ill try that out |
| 10:57 | benmoss | no bueno in clojurescript |
| 10:57 | AimHere | Oh well, sorry about that |
| 11:00 | rovar | what is the easiest way to convert a vector of integers into a bytearray? |
| 11:01 | rovar | I was thinking about DataOutputStream |
| 11:01 | rovar | didn't know if that has been clojurified somewhere |
| 11:03 | joegallo | ,(into-array Byte/TYPE (map byte (range 4))) |
| 11:03 | clojurebot | #<byte[] [B@48bd67> |
| 11:03 | joegallo | behold, a byte array |
| 11:06 | rovar | joegallo: thanks, I'm trying to do it to a vector of 8 byte integers |
| 11:16 | hyPiRion | or just ##(byte-array (map byte (range 4))) |
| 11:16 | lazybot | ⇒ #<byte[] [B@ebb182> |
| 11:19 | rovar | hyPiRion: that works if the values are between -127 and 128 |
| 11:19 | rovar | what if it's 3 billion? |
| 11:20 | pyrtsa | ##(byte-array (map unchecked-byte (map (partial + 3000000000 (range 4)))) |
| 11:20 | pyrtsa | Oops. |
| 11:20 | pyrtsa | ##(byte-array (map unchecked-byte (map (partial + 3000000000) (range 4)))) |
| 11:21 | lazybot | ⇒ #<byte[] [B@f6e1f0> |
| 11:22 | rovar | pyrtsa: what value do you think that's going to store? |
| 11:22 | pyrtsa | Incidentally, [0 1 2 3]. |
| 11:23 | hyPiRion | wait, what do you mean by "store" in the first place? |
| 11:23 | pyrtsa | unchecked-byte uses the last 8 bits of the integer. |
| 11:23 | pyrtsa | (I.e. it is correct modulo 256.) |
| 11:24 | pyrtsa | (unchecked-byte 129) |
| 11:24 | pyrtsa | ,(unchecked-byte 129) |
| 11:24 | clojurebot | -127 |
| 11:25 | joegallo | are you looking for two arbitrary ints to become a single vector of bytes? |
| 11:25 | joegallo | if so, you might want to say that... |
| 11:25 | joegallo | vector of EIGHT bytes |
| 11:25 | joegallo | missed a key word there... |
| 11:26 | joegallo | because when you say blah blah blah vector of bytes blah blah blah from ints, everybody is going to think you want to cast to byte. |
| 11:26 | joegallo | so you shouldn't be surprised when that's the answer you get. |
| 11:27 | rovar | more like I have a vector of an arbitrary number of 64 bit ints, X, and I want to turn that into an array of bytes of size ((count x) * 8) |
| 11:27 | pyrtsa | rovar: Okay then. What about endianness? |
| 11:27 | joegallo | i'm curious where you're getting these 64 bit ints from? java ints are 32 bit. |
| 11:27 | joegallo | are these longs? are you using BigInteger? |
| 11:27 | rovar | pyrtsa: don't care, this is for serialization to and from the same machine only |
| 11:28 | pyrtsa | joegallo: Generally, integers in Clojure are Long. |
| 11:28 | rovar | joegallo: longs |
| 11:28 | joegallo | pyrtsa: when somebody starts talking about the number of bytes in some type, i assume they're talking jvm primitives. |
| 11:29 | pyrtsa | Fair enough. |
| 11:29 | neoartifex | k thanks |
| 11:30 | joegallo | http://docs.guava-libraries.googlecode.com/git-history/release/javadoc/com/google/common/primitives/Longs.html#toByteArray%28long%29 |
| 11:30 | joegallo | if you're willing to live with a new library dependency |
| 11:30 | joegallo | map that over your longs and turn them each into 8 bytes. concat the arrays. |
| 11:31 | joegallo | alternatively, the docstring for that method tells you what you can do using java.nio.ByteBuffer to do the same thing. |
| 11:31 | hyPiRion | It's okay to just bytebuffer here |
| 11:31 | joegallo | right... |
| 11:32 | rovar | yea.. I've found bytebuffer in clojars which simplifies this a bit. |
| 11:32 | rovar | i've never really coded in java before.. coming to clojure from c++/haskell so I'm still exploring the java stdlib |
| 11:32 | pyrtsa | ,(defn long->le [x] (mapv #(unchecked-byte (bit-shift-right x (* 8 %))) (range 8))) |
| 11:32 | clojurebot | #'sandbox/long->le |
| 11:33 | pyrtsa | ,(long->le 257) |
| 11:33 | clojurebot | [1 1 0 0 0 ...] |
| 11:33 | pyrtsa | ,(long->le 510) |
| 11:33 | clojurebot | [-2 1 0 0 0 ...] |
| 11:33 | hyPiRion | O_o |
| 11:33 | pyrtsa | etc. |
| 11:33 | pyrtsa | hyPiRion: Bytes. |
| 11:33 | pyrtsa | "le" for little-endian. |
| 11:35 | hyPiRion | ,(import 'java.nio.ByteBuffer) |
| 11:35 | clojurebot | java.nio.ByteBuffer |
| 11:35 | hyPiRion | ,(let [xs (range 100) bb (ByteBuffer/allocate (* 8 (count xs)))] (doseq [x xs] (.putLong bb x)) (.array bb)) |
| 11:35 | clojurebot | #<byte[] [B@b4bc1e> |
| 11:35 | pyrtsa | Okay. That's better. |
| 11:39 | rovar | hyPiRion: that's pretty much what I ended up with, except i put a (.toLong x) to ensure length |
| 11:43 | rovar | reversing that is interesting |
| 11:46 | rovar | is there a thrush operator that applies methods to resulting objects? |
| 11:46 | rovar | e.g. ByteBuffer.wrap(barray).asLongBuffer.array() |
| 11:47 | rovar | ahh .. |
| 11:47 | hyPiRion | that's just -> |
| 11:50 | rovar | I think either (-> (ByteBuffer/wrap buff) (.asLongBuffer) (.array)) is the same as (.. (ByteBuffer/wrap buff) (asLongBuffer) (array)) |
| 11:50 | pyrtsa | .. is different. |
| 11:50 | pyrtsa | It won't use the result of the previous call in the next. |
| 11:51 | pyrtsa | (.. x a b c) does (do (.a x) (.b x) (.c x) x) whereas (-> x (.a) (.b) (.c)) returns (.c (.b (.a x))) |
| 11:52 | hyPiRion | er |
| 11:52 | hyPiRion | ,(macroexpand '(.. (ByteBuffer/wrap buff) (asLongBuffer) (array))) |
| 11:52 | clojurebot | (. (. (ByteBuffer/wrap buff) (asLongBuffer)) (array)) |
| 11:52 | pyrtsa | Ouch. Okay, I should shut my mouth tonight. Sorry. |
| 11:53 | pyrtsa | doto was that. |
| 11:53 | hyPiRion | pyrtsa: yeah, I figured you mixed them up |
| 11:54 | pyrtsa | I think -> is more readable and tend to avoid .. altogether. So that's why the confusion. |
| 12:12 | dabd | I am using spit with the :append option and sometimes my program will leave the file open and the OS (win 7) won't let me delete the file. I checked the implementation of spit and it is obviously using a finally to close the stream. What could be wrong here? Thanks. |
| 13:04 | cddr | Does anyone know why the bcrypt-credential-fn in friend expects a function of only one arg rather than two? Why not pass the password along as well as the username/id? |
| 13:10 | sdegutis | What happened to Feb 3? http://logs.lazybot.org/irc.freenode.net/%23clojure |
| 13:12 | silasdavis | cddr, it expects a {:username ... :password ...} map |
| 13:13 | llasram | sdegutis: Wasn't that the day of the DoS attack on freenode? |
| 13:13 | sdegutis | Oh. |
| 13:13 | sm0ke | sdegutis: looks like an inside job to hide sensitive data |
| 13:13 | sdegutis | Oh. |
| 13:14 | sm0ke | you never know when million dollars are at stake |
| 13:14 | sm0ke | clojure is now a big name |
| 13:15 | sdegutis | Right. |
| 13:15 | mdeboard | Is there a way to set a "start up" function with CIDER for a particular project? When I M-x cider-jack-in in a compojure project, I want to run (do (use 'my-compojure-thing.repl) (start-service)) automatically ... is there a way to do this? |
| 13:15 | mdeboard | start-server* |
| 13:16 | llasram | Argh, I've been trying to make another relase of Parkour all week, but I keep realizing just oooone more thing I can add to make the release even more awesome |
| 13:17 | sm0ke | llasram: save it for next relases |
| 13:17 | llasram | mdeboard: Leinigen project.clj /:repl-options/:init form |
| 13:17 | sm0ke | you knwo what they say |
| 13:17 | llasram | mdeboard: Check `lein sample` for an example |
| 13:17 | sm0ke | always leave your code in a broken state |
| 13:17 | mdeboard | llasram: Thanks |
| 13:18 | llasram | sm0ke: Early-and-often is good, but I don't have the social energy to make a major thing out of it every time |
| 13:19 | llasram | Which I'm planning to do for this release, so want it to be as awesome as possiblel |
| 13:21 | sm0ke | llasram: have you been using parkour in production? |
| 13:21 | llasram | Since day 1 |
| 13:21 | mdeboard | llasram: That is a pro tip on the repl-options, thanks |
| 13:21 | llasram | Only thing still in Cascalog at Damballa is one ETL job which I haven't touched in a year |
| 13:21 | llasram | mdeboard: np! |
| 13:22 | sm0ke | llasram: why moving away from cascalog? |
| 13:22 | llasram | sm0ke: I'm pretty sure I already linked you to my Parkour "motivation" write-up :-) |
| 13:23 | llasram | In a nutshell though -- I want to write MapReduce programs in Clojure, not Datalog queries in some funky macro DSL |
| 13:23 | mdeboard | llasram: But I spent so much time wrapping my head around cascalog :( |
| 13:23 | llasram | I think MapReduce is a great fit for Clojure. You just need an API which exposes their compatibilities |
| 13:24 | mdeboard | But seriously, that's great and honesly much needed |
| 13:24 | sm0ke | makes sense |
| 13:24 | mdeboard | Python has a great mapreduce module called mrjob. You just write python and do some configuration behind the scenes and it works fine |
| 13:24 | sm0ke | llasram: is parkour closely knit on hadoop api? |
| 13:25 | mdeboard | you can either run it on local fs or on hdfs (local or remote), something that is a huge pain in the ass with cascading/cascalog. Or it was anyway a year ago whenI used it last |
| 13:25 | llasram | mdeboard: Hopefully I'll have a new release out in 1-2 hours which adds support for live-cluster REPLs. Data exploration, "mixed mode" execution, and launching real jobs |
| 13:26 | llasram | sm0ke: It's built directly on top of the Hadoop APIs, and doesn't try to hide them, if that's what you're asking? |
| 13:26 | sm0ke | llasram: can parkour run on other platform too in other words |
| 13:26 | llasram | Oh, no |
| 13:26 | llasram | It is for Hadoop and nothing but Hadoop |
| 13:27 | llasram | Swapable backends is an explicit non-goal |
| 13:27 | sm0ke | oh why may i ask? |
| 13:27 | llasram | Because it seems like over-engineering to me :-) |
| 13:28 | sm0ke | well spark seems pretty good for in memory analytics |
| 13:28 | sm0ke | which is a far fetched idea for *BIG DATA* though |
| 13:28 | llasram | Oh, yeah, spark. I still need to explore that. I've had my time cut pretty thin lately |
| 13:28 | llasram | Spark is potentially interesting |
| 13:29 | llasram | I thought you meant like the Cascalog 2.0 idea of being able to support both bulk and stream processing, via e.g. Storm |
| 13:29 | sm0ke | llasram: it has same functional constructs map, reduce, partition , union etc |
| 13:29 | sm0ke | llasram: oh yea that |
| 13:29 | sm0ke | no |
| 13:29 | llasram | Supporting something that is still actually MapReduce might be a future plan, but not ATM |
| 13:30 | sm0ke | what |
| 13:30 | llasram | ? |
| 13:30 | sm0ke | cascalog 2.0 will run on storm? |
| 13:31 | llasram | That's the promise of the design, but I don't believe the Storm backend has been released yet |
| 13:31 | sm0ke | i didnt read that right first time |
| 13:31 | llasram | haha |
| 13:34 | sm0ke | i kind of like cascalog, but sometimes i cant seem to get things right which looks obvious |
| 13:34 | sm0ke | but i feel the real power is with the joins |
| 13:35 | llasram | Cascalog's join are great if you need joins, but joins are also hideously, hideously inefficient |
| 13:35 | sm0ke | worst part is figuring out which job out of the dozen running is doing exactly what |
| 13:35 | llasram | Also true :-) |
| 13:36 | sm0ke | llasram: you know what, cascalog potentially can run on top of parkour |
| 13:37 | sm0ke | crazy idea |
| 13:37 | sm0ke | if it can run on top of spark i dont see any reason why is cant on top of parkour |
| 13:37 | llasram | That is an idea. I thought about it some, it could be made to work, and would probably be cleaner than making Cascalog run directly on the Java Hadoop APIs |
| 13:38 | sm0ke | llasram: well you could potentially be free of the cascading dependency |
| 13:38 | sm0ke | thats a huge win |
| 13:38 | llasram | The biggest problem is the tuple abstraction. You'd need to either steal Cascadings or do it from scratch |
| 13:39 | llasram | And I get the impression of lot of people are actually pretty happy with what the Cascading layer gives them :-) |
| 13:39 | llasram | They get to participate in a broader Cascading ecosystem of taps etc |
| 13:40 | llasram | Does Cascalog support Spark now? I must have missed the announcement |
| 13:40 | sm0ke | not yet, but i read that in the group somewhere |
| 13:41 | llasram | I see |
| 13:41 | sm0ke | sam seems to have partitioned the api into logic and platform |
| 13:41 | llasram | Yah |
| 13:42 | sm0ke | idea being platform can be implemented per platform, you should look into it :) |
| 13:42 | llasram | Right :-) |
| 13:44 | sm0ke | i see huge benefits, cascading is impenetrable, but via parkour jobs can be annotated with meta coming from cascalog queries |
| 13:44 | sm0ke | i am assuming you can do that with parkour |
| 13:44 | sm0ke | :) |
| 13:45 | sm0ke | so you could finally put a finger on whicj job is doing query x |
| 13:46 | sm0ke | anyways, parkour is interesting, i need to take a in-depth look at it yet |
| 13:46 | sm0ke | thanks for the project! |
| 13:46 | llasram | np! Let me know if you have any comments after you have had a chance to take a deeper look |
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| 13:48 | sm0ke | sure thing, the live cluster repl you mentioned is nice |
| 14:12 | sdegutis | I feel like I haven't yet done all the mutable-imperative that I want to do in life. It feels too soon to go totally immutable-functional. |
| 14:18 | gfredericks | sdegutis: but you wrote those functional programs and you can't take that back. you have a responsibility to then and to society to maintain them. not doing so would almost surely cause serious emotional & psychological harm |
| 14:18 | gfredericks | s/then/them/ |
| 14:19 | sdegutis | gfredericks: Yes but if I don't take this chance, I'll always be asking myself "what if"... and I just can't live with that hanging over me for the rest of my life. |
| 14:21 | gfredericks | sdegutis the deadbeat functional programmer |
| 14:21 | llasram | sdegutis: You do HackerNews, right? What's the norms there on submitting your own blog posts? |
| 14:21 | sdegutis | llasram: Dunno, I just joined a few days ago. And so far I've broken most of the unwritten rules somehow. |
| 14:22 | sdegutis | llasram: I'd say just do it and let the chips fall where they may. |
| 14:22 | llasram | Oh, weird. For some reason I thought I remember seeing you being a frequent user for a long while |
| 14:22 | sdegutis | llasram: Maybe, if "a long while" means like 2 or 3 weeks. |
| 14:23 | llasram | Yes. Flea years :-D |
| 14:23 | gfredericks | clojurebot: a flea year is the distance that a flea travels in one year |
| 14:23 | clojurebot | In Ordnung |
| 14:23 | llasram | nice |
| 14:24 | gfredericks | (in a vacuum of course) |
| 14:24 | sdegutis | llasram: Just make sure to target males age 18-25 in your blog post. Don't forget to favor appealing to pathos over ethos or logos. |
| 14:24 | hakujin | is the "joy of" book still the best source for teaching clojure idioms even though it's quite outdated? |
| 14:25 | llasram | hakujin: I don't know about idioms, but philosophy, yes |
| 14:25 | llasram | And haven't they released / are releasing a new edition? |
| 14:25 | hakujin | end of the month according to Amazon |
| 14:26 | llasram | Well there you go |
| 14:26 | sdegutis | llasram: Although I'm no marketer, that's just my simplistic analysis of how to get to the front page. |
| 14:38 | rovar | hakujin: you can get the 2nd edition advance copy from manning press |
| 14:40 | sdegutis | hakujin: I recommend reading through popular Clojure projects (like weavejester's) to find good idioms. |
| 14:41 | sdegutis | hakujin: But the general rule of thumb that I've found to be helpful to finding good idioms on your own is: try to think in (lazy) sequences and use them whenever possible. |
| 14:47 | dnolen | reversible Clojure is pretty fun - http://github.com/clojure/core.logic/commit/dcc94f57a93c3c4d6085121844480dd9799f8cd5 |
| 14:50 | bbloom | hehe nice |
| 14:51 | bbloom | dnolen: have you seen www.cs.indiana.edu/~sabry/papers/rational.pdf and the "reversible language" described in that paper's predicesor? |
| 14:51 | bbloom | er predecessor |
| 14:52 | bbloom | dnolen: this one http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2103667&dl=ACM&coll=DL&CFID=385002691&CFTOKEN=24885898 |
| 14:53 | dnolen | bbloom: I've only skimmed the literature in the past. |
| 14:53 | sdegutis | dnolen: I can't wrap my head around that. It looks so greek to me. |
| 14:53 | bbloom | dnolen: the "information effects" paper is pretty cool and makes the fractional types paper make sense |
| 14:55 | patrkris | what is a quick way of getting a seq of lines from a string? this link suggests using a BufferedReader and a StringReader: http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/1.2.0/clojure.core/line-seq |
| 14:55 | patrkris | but aren't there some function built into clojure that does this? |
| 14:55 | dnolen | bbloom: what I've pasted above is actually not quite right but it's something to play around with, doesn't quite work for reversible conj on associative data structures - will fix that in a bit. |
| 14:56 | dnolen | sdegutis: it's just conj that can run forwards or backwards and can take partially instantiated Clojure terms |
| 14:57 | sdegutis | dnolen: Oh, neat. |
| 14:57 | sdegutis | Sometimes this channel makes me feel pretty dumb, in a good way :) |
| 14:58 | llasram | Ok, new Parkour release: https://github.com/damballa/parkour/releases/tag/0.5.4, and blog post: http://blog.platypope.org/2014/2/8/interactive-hadoop-with-parkour/ |
| 15:01 | rovar | very cool |
| 15:02 | rovar | does it have to run on a mapreduce node, or can it remotely connect/deploy? |
| 15:03 | llasram | You can remotely connect, and usually would. I just wanted to make sure it could be replicated on EMR, and it's waaaay easier to just do everything on the master there |
| 15:04 | llasram | I actually got the SOCKS stuff set up first, but then decided it was too orthogonal to the post to bother with, but also too fiddly to expect someone to do w/o significant Hadoop experience |
| 15:04 | llasram | Oh, I knew I forgot something -- example program in github |
| 15:07 | sdegutis | Wow, millions. |
| 15:08 | llasram | ? |
| 15:08 | insamniac | $$$? |
| 15:10 | llasram | And here's a fresh Hacker News thread, if you're into that sort of thing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7202425 |
| 15:14 | sdegutis | I kinda wanna use node-webkit as my default browser... |
| 15:15 | sdegutis | llasram: I'd upvote it but I can't login again for 84 more minutes. |
| 15:15 | llasram | heh |
| 15:15 | llasram | Limiting your access to distractions? |
| 15:15 | llasram | Or like a BDSM thing? |
| 15:16 | llasram | Yeah, ok, I'm in a punchy mood |
| 15:16 | sdegutis | llasram: I enabled that "noprocrast" setting this morning. |
| 15:16 | rovar | llasram: upgoated |
| 15:17 | llasram | sweet |
| 15:17 | insamniac | sdegutis: what was the Wow, millions for? |
| 15:18 | sdegutis | insamniac: I was just looking at node-webkit's github stars. |
| 15:19 | sdegutis | insamniac: It had a lot. That made me think of the pseudo-number "millions". |
| 15:19 | sdegutis | insamniac: So I thought out loud in here. |
| 15:19 | sdegutis | insamniac: I should probably curb that. |
| 15:19 | sdegutis | Especially when it makes almost no sense and is completely irrelevant and off-topic. |
| 15:20 | sdegutis | In other news, I got a basic hello world script working in ClojureCLR this weekend :D |
| 15:20 | sdegutis | I called it from my C# program, and it called my C# function, which actually did stuff. It was pretty awesome. |
| 15:22 | insamniac | Meh.. I need to get motivated and write some code. |
| 15:22 | insamniac | I finished the clojure koans at least. |
| 15:22 | sdegutis | insamniac: You could write a Clojure compiler in Clojure. |
| 15:22 | sdegutis | That's a good way to learn Clojure. |
| 15:23 | sdegutis | I hear that's how dnolen did it. |
| 15:23 | insamniac | Yeah that sounds like something I could find motivation for. |
| 15:23 | insamniac | I was thinking something more along the lines of a shitty canvas game |
| 15:24 | insamniac | I'm hoping to find inspiration at devnexus. |
| 15:25 | insamniac | I need a coding room that has no internets. |
| 15:27 | llasram | insamniac: Ah, the fair city of Atlanta |
| 15:27 | sdegutis | insamniac: Try turning off your wifi. |
| 15:27 | llasram | Known for its Southern hospitality and coding rooms |
| 15:33 | seangrove | SFDC API, you make me want to be a better person |
| 15:37 | insamniac | I'm in Augusta. Known for James Brown and The Masters. |
| 15:38 | muhoo | sdegutis: actually i think tim baldridge did, via clojure-py |
| 15:39 | muhoo | must have been good practice for core.async, which AFAICT is a compiler in a compiler |
| 15:40 | muhoo | that go macro is pretty wild |
| 16:17 | bartxx | Does anybody knows if it is possible to save state from core.async state machine? "save" meaning extract and for example write to file. |
| 16:19 | bartxx | I have an app with GUI build on core.async, and it would be handy to freeze GUI state, and restore later (especially for IOS apps). |
| 16:20 | clojure-kid | does anybody in here have experience with laser? |
| 16:20 | clojure-kid | I'm trying to use it to pull text out of web pages |
| 16:20 | clojure-kid | but so far I've only found how to transform it into valid html |
| 16:21 | clojure-kid | I just want plain text |
| 16:21 | clojure-kid | is that even something it's meant to do? |
| 16:24 | s_kilk | Is anyone aware of a clojure equivalent to the Celery library from python? http://www.celeryproject.org/ , it's something I would be interested in starting up, if no equivalent exists for clojure at the moment |
| 16:29 | rovar | s_kilk: there is Quartzite, which is close, it has the scheduling component, but not really the queing component |
| 16:30 | s_kilk | rovar : thanks, I'm already familiar with Quartzite, it's awesome. I'm thinking of doing a small in-process queuing module for clojure, and then expanding it to a full clustered celery-alike library. I'll give it some more thought. Or, is it possible that i'm missing something obvious that would make this idea less useful in Clojure?? |
| 16:30 | lazybot | s_kilk: Definitely not. |
| 16:31 | amalloy | clojure-kid: i don't think laser is intended to do anything other than produce html |
| 16:31 | s_kilk | Definitely not a bad idea? :) |
| 16:31 | amalloy | you can check with Raynes, of course |
| 16:32 | rovar | s_kilk: yea, basically concurrency is not really that easy in python, whereas it's very easy in clojure.. setting up a list of tasks to be run asynchronously is trivial in clojure.. |
| 16:32 | clojure-kid | amalloy: is there something actually meant to do that, then? |
| 16:32 | rovar | so it would be a good exercise, IMO, but you might find that there is far less to do :) |
| 16:32 | clojure-kid | and yes, I'll send Raynes a message |
| 16:33 | s_kilk | rovar : aye, I see. But would there be any use in a more fully featured library that would abstract over rabbitmq like celery does? |
| 16:33 | arrdem | Raynes: oi |
| 16:33 | hyPiRion | Raynes: ping pong |
| 16:33 | clojure-kid | Raynes: your presence is requested |
| 16:33 | rovar | s_kilk: other than me hoping RabbitMQ dies in a fire, no :) |
| 16:33 | hyPiRion | $seen Raynes |
| 16:33 | lazybot | Raynes was last seen talking on ##eleventhbit 2 hours and 33 minutes ago. |
| 16:33 | clojure-kid | :( |
| 16:34 | s_kilk | rovar : ha, i take it your not a fan then? :) I've been using celery a lot at work and have become very fond of the idea of coordinating many worker machines with a distributed queuing system. would love to hear your thoughts on that |
| 16:35 | s_kilk | well, lets also say we could use redis or whatever as a queue broker, doesn't need to be RMQ |
| 16:35 | arrdem | besides #emacs and #clojure, anyone have favorite interesting channels to lurk? |
| 16:35 | rovar | s_kilk: yea, it depends on your use case.. somehow I've managed to avoid having to have a distributed job queue, but certainly it would be needed somewhere. |
| 16:35 | s_kilk | arrdem : i like to lurk on #ruby toon |
| 16:36 | s_kilk | rovar : any particular problems you've found with RabbitMQ ? or is it a general dislike for the concept? :) |
| 16:43 | pdurbin | arrdem: #rest and #indiewebcamp are favorites of mine |
| 16:45 | clojure-kid | hmm, crawlista looks more suited to my web-scraping needs |
| 16:46 | clojure-kid | there's even a function called extract-text, which I think just pulls the content out of the page |
| 16:51 | sveri | hi, i have a weird problem, i setup a luminus project some time ago and worked on it and now my lein run -dev hangs from time to time or takes ages to compile, i tried to remove deps i dont need, but that didnt help, any ideas how to debug that or what might cause this? |
| 16:54 | mmitchell | does anyone feel like helping me with a macro today? :) |
| 16:55 | plookn | mmitchell: what is it? |
| 16:55 | hyPiRion | Anyone knows how to use (or even better, create) records from Java? |
| 16:55 | rhg135 | mmitchell, depends, go-ish or when-ish ;) |
| 16:56 | mmitchell | it's a macro i've been trying to write all day to run through forms and assert that they're true |
| 16:57 | mmitchell | Here's a skeleton of what I'm trying to do: https://gist.github.com/mwmitchell/8890906 |
| 16:58 | mmitchell | So I think loop is the right way to run through the test forms |
| 16:59 | crundar | First time clojuring. How do get and install libraries. I followed the instructions on the download page, java -cp clojure-<version>.jar clojure.main |
| 16:59 | mmitchell | And I'd be happy with using plain (assert (-> val test-form)) - but i really want to be able to see the form in the exception - does this make sense? |
| 16:59 | crundar | it seems like there must be a better way to start up clojure generally. That can't be how you all get things going. |
| 16:59 | mmitchell | crundar: definitely, Leiningen |
| 17:00 | mmitchell | crundar: http://leiningen.org/ |
| 17:00 | rhg135 | even maven |
| 17:00 | rhg135 | but dat xml |
| 17:00 | clojure-kid | crundar: Leiningen is the way to go |
| 17:01 | rhg135 | agreed |
| 17:01 | mmitchell | rhg135: did you see my macro gist? |
| 17:01 | rhg135 | yes |
| 17:01 | rhg135 | unfortunately im horrible at macros |
| 17:01 | mmitchell | no problem, me too :) |
| 17:02 | mmitchell | i can get pretty far, but there's something I'm clearly not understanding and am not able to do exactly what I want |
| 17:03 | rhg135 | recursion seems appropriate here |
| 17:04 | mmitchell | rhg135: yeah i was using loop/recur to step thru each test form |
| 17:04 | rhg135 | like `(do (blah...) (assert-all ~val ~(rest tests))) |
| 17:16 | riz_ | hi |
| 17:16 | riz_ | can anyone please point me to a good tutorial on macros? |
| 17:16 | riz_ | i've been looking at this for 2 weeks and haven't been able to make any progress because it's way too confusing: http://www.braveclojure.com/writing-macros/ |
| 17:18 | afhammad | riz_: try this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKoNnMEjcEI |
| 17:23 | afhammad | also i recommend picking up a book such as Joy of Clojure, it covers macros well |
| 17:25 | riz_ | thank you will check it out |
| 17:25 | mmitchell | wow, i think i actually got it: https://gist.github.com/mwmitchell/8890906 |
| 17:39 | loganlinn | Are these ampersands reader macros? https://github.com/clojure/clojurescript/blob/d9b2b4c5b3693621e57615f6c9e147ac71f5b47a/src/clj/cljs/core.clj#L599-L600 |
| 17:40 | loganlinn | I assume its something to do with inspecting a namespace |
| 17:52 | muhoo | loganlinn: @ is deref. ~@ is splice |
| 17:57 | hyPiRion | unquote-splice, actually |
| 17:59 | hyPiRion | loganlinn: &env is the environment the macro was called from. So yes, it's for looking up values. |
| 18:02 | ivan | should the builtin macros be in pygments' ClojureLexer.builtins? (they aren't right now) |
| 18:05 | hyPiRion | ivan: like `or` and `and`? |
| 18:05 | ivan | those two are in there |
| 18:05 | hyPiRion | oh, so they've only picked a snippets of them then |
| 18:05 | ivan | but e.g. lazy-seq isn't |
| 18:06 | ivan | `try` is also mysteriously missing from the special forms, I'll have to check those too |
| 18:06 | ivan | I first started looking into this when I noticed (require ) was being highlighted differently from (import ) |
| 18:07 | hyPiRion | well, I guess it depends on their use. Some of the macros are for control-flow which may be highlighted differently? Although it makes sense to support all of them, with some sort of highlightning. |
| 19:36 | eraserhd | Is there a way to boot a clojure project that doesn't take focus away from the terminal? |
| 19:36 | eraserhd | in OS X. |
| 19:40 | tolstoy | eraserhd: Try adding this to project.clj: :jvm-opts ["-Dapple.awt.UIElement=true"] |
| 19:40 | tolstoy | |
| 19:41 | eraserhd | tolstoy: Hrmm. That seems like the opposite of what I want. But lemme try. |
| 19:42 | eraserhd | tolstoy: That gives me an IllegalArgumentException when I try... |
| 19:43 | bbloom | tolstoy: oh that is awesome. just put that in my lein profile |
| 19:43 | bbloom | eraserhd: worked for me |
| 19:43 | tolstoy | eraserhd: When I don't have that, I get an icon on my dock and lose focus. |
| 19:43 | tolstoy | eraserhd: With that on, It Works. ;) |
| 19:44 | bbloom | tolstoy: so nice. |
| 19:44 | eraserhd | I just installed Oracle's Java 7, which replaced Apple's (for another project). I'm guessing this JVM doesn't have that. |
| 19:45 | eraserhd | But the documentation talks about java.awt.headless |
| 19:46 | tolstoy | bbloom: Not sure where I found that gem, but it's great. ;) |
| 19:47 | tolstoy | eraserhd: I'm using it with Oracle JDK 8 (and 7 (and 6)). |
| 19:49 | eraserhd | So the problem was that I forgot to put the jvm opts in brackets. Both java.awt.headless=true and apple.awt.UIElement=true work. |
| 19:50 | tolstoy | eraserhd: Good to know. The UIElement=true thing does indeed seem the opposite of what we want. |
| 20:46 | eraserhd | For clojure CLI programs, do we have a standard wrapper script or a favorite lein plugin that makes and installs them? |
| 20:46 | arrdem | clojure really isn't a cli tools language.... slow starting JVM T_T |
| 20:47 | arrdem | which really means no, there isn't good infrastructure/libraries there. |
| 20:48 | eraserhd | I'm hoping LLVM backends help there. Part of my current excitement about Clojure :) |
| 20:48 | eraserhd | But, OK... write my own wrapper script. |
| 20:48 | seancorfield | or use ClojureScript and target Node.js (to avoid the JVM startup) |
| 20:49 | arrdem | unless Bronsa has some seriously strong foo that I know not of, such things are a loooong way off. |
| 20:49 | arrdem | yeah cljs on Node or V8 was something Rich held forth as a serious faststart option. |
| 20:49 | tolstoy | eraserhd: I've used lein-exec when start-up time didn't really matter. |
| 20:50 | tolstoy | eraserhd: https://github.com/kumarshantanu/lein-exec |
| 20:51 | eraserhd | I'm willing to live with startup time for now. |
| 20:52 | eraserhd | Because cljs is 100 times better than JavaScript, but the damn types, arghh. |
| 20:53 | scottj | eraserhd: check drip for improved startup times (there are several other solutions, perhaps mostly abandoned) |
| 20:54 | scottj | jark being one |
| 20:55 | eraserhd | I was imagining a lein plugin which would make a fat jar and write a little shell script to execute it upon `lein install`. Except that `lein install` already means something, so it would be a different command. |
| 20:56 | eraserhd | `lein exec` seems to require staying in the source dir, which isn't useful for the system utility that I'm writing. |
| 20:59 | eraserhd | scottj: Drip is neat. |
| 21:10 | gfredericks | eraserhd: "the damn types"? |
| 21:28 | technomancy | or racket |
| 21:29 | technomancy | eraserhd: lein 1.x had a shell wrappers feature, but no one used it, so it was dropped for 2.x |
| 21:38 | eraserhd | gfredericks: I don't remember specifically, but I recall having a lot of differences from clojure relating to Javascript not differentiating types. |
| 21:38 | eraserhd | e.g. (cond (string? x) ... (number? x) ...) |
| 21:39 | eraserhd | Granted, I used this to my advantage, too. :) |
| 22:01 | fowlslegs | Is there anyway to kill a runaway REPL process besides ending the REPL? |
| 22:09 | gfredericks | eraserhd: oh okay so differences from jvm-clojure in particular |
| 22:59 | quizdr | I want to check if some of the elements in a collection are true -- but I want to return false if none of them are. "some" only returns nil if none of them are. what's most elegant way to do this? |
| 22:59 | arrdem | ,#'clojure.core/any? |
| 22:59 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve var: clojure.core/any? in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 22:59 | arrdem | ,#'clojure.core/any |
| 23:00 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve var: clojure.core/any in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 23:00 | shriphani | arrdem, afaik there's no any in clojure-world |
| 23:00 | arrdem | quizdr: one thing you could do is (reduce #(or %0 %1) my-col false) |
| 23:00 | arrdem | shriphani: yeah I always get that wrong. |
| 23:01 | arrdem | ,(reduce #(or %1 %2) [false false false nil] nil) |
| 23:01 | clojurebot | [false false false nil] |
| 23:01 | arrdem | oh. order. |
| 23:01 | arrdem | ,(reduce #(or %1 %2) nil [false false false nil]) |
| 23:01 | clojurebot | nil |
| 23:02 | arrdem | ,(true? (reduce #(or %1 %2) nil [false false false nil])) |
| 23:02 | clojurebot | false |
| 23:03 | shriphani | is there a utility for clojure that checks if I have imports I am not using etc |
| 23:03 | shriphani | like pylint |
| 23:03 | loganlinn | ,(apply or [false false false nil]) |
| 23:03 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't take value of a macro: #'clojure.core/or, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0:0)> |
| 23:03 | arrdem | loganlinn: hence the reduce :c |
| 23:03 | quizdr | i shall try that |
| 23:05 | arrdem | (true? (any ..)) will work too... |
| 23:05 | quizdr | i guess the easiest way is to just call true? on it |
| 23:05 | loganlinn | yeah, makes sense |
| 23:05 | quizdr | ah, i see we think alike someimtes arrdem |
| 23:07 | shriphani | quizdr, was this to avoid some NullpointerException ? |
| 23:08 | quizdr | no, it was to test for true or false on a wider problem, and i wanted a definite true or false returned shriphani |
| 23:08 | technomancy | shriphani: slamhound does that |
| 23:09 | arrdem | technomancy: does slamhound still work.. or is it still slime bound? |
| 23:19 | technomancy | arrdem: slamhound is so non-slime-bound that it even works with nrepl-discover |
| 23:19 | technomancy | you know, the new hotness that's so new it's not even finished or usable |
| 23:19 | arrdem | so new and so hot I hadn't heard about it yet :D |
| 23:20 | arrdem | (dec so) ;; this guy.... |
| 23:20 | lazybot | ⇒ -4 |
| 23:20 | technomancy | arrdem: guns has been doing a great job keeping momentum going on slamhound in all seriousness |
| 23:20 | arrdem | technomancy: sweet! I saw clj-refactor.el floating around in the last two days and look forwards to taking a more serious look at the growing tools ecosystem |
| 23:21 | arrdem | now we just need that standard code formatter..... |
| 23:21 | technomancy | it bums me out that everyone is writing stuff that's coupled to a single editor |
| 23:21 | technomancy | wish I had time to get nrepl-discover more polished, but that seems unlikely now that my conference proposal was turned down |
| 23:21 | arrdem | :c |
| 23:30 | scottj | well, the predecessor to clj-refactor.el, clojure-refactoring was primarily clojure with a very small .el interface |
| 23:30 | guns | thanks technomancy; I do have a little problem related to slamhound that I discovered the other day: https://i.imgur.com/KSPKuJD.png |
| 23:30 | arrdem | clearly what we really need is an Emacs rewrite in Clojure compiled to ASM via clojure.tools.emitter.x86_64... |
| 23:30 | guns | that's a picture of the Clojure process dying from running out of permgen |
| 23:31 | guns | it happened while running slamhound in a continuous loop; apparently remove-ns does not actually trigger gc of the compiled classes |
| 23:32 | guns | the solution to this appears to be loading clojure classes with a custom classloader |
| 23:32 | guns | but it's not clear how easy that will be |
| 23:32 | technomancy | guns: huh, sounds like a possible bug in clojure |
| 23:32 | guns | yes, basically (eval …) always increases permgen |
| 23:33 | technomancy | you can construct a classloader that delegates to the current one |
| 23:33 | guns | that's what I'm hoping will succeed |
| 23:33 | guns | using the classunloading flag alleviates this, but I've managed to crash the profiler even with that flag |
| 23:34 | guns | :( |
| 23:39 | guns | (for the irc record, crashing the jvm like this takes many hundreds of invocations of slamhound, so it's not really a huge hindrance) |
| 23:40 | arrdem | lazybot stands impartial witness |
