#clojure – 2013-04-19

2013-04-19

00:57	nonuby	is there a function that returns true/false is item is either a list or vector or something iterable
00:58	nonuby	seq? return false on []
01:01	technomancy	try coll?
02:32	tieTYT	I wrote a cond with a bunch of conditions and each test uses the same argument. Is there any way to write that in a more concise way?
02:33	ucb	tieTYT: perhaps condp?
02:33	ucb	,(doc condp)
02:33	clojurebot	"([pred expr & clauses]); Takes a binary predicate, an expression, and a set of clauses. Each clause can take the form of either: test-expr result-expr test-expr :>> result-fn Note :>> is an ordinary keyword. For each clause, (pred test-expr expr) is evaluated. If it returns logical true, the clause is a match. If a binary clause matches, the result-expr is returned, if a ternary clause matches, i...
02:35	tieTYT	how could I do that? Each test is either: (.contains "some string" src) or a regex match like (.regex-matches #"some regex" src)
02:35	ucb	oh, I see
02:35	tieTYT	if all the tests were one or the other, condp seems like a fit, but not when it's a mixture
02:35	ucb	you're trying to get rid of all the instances of src, right?
02:36	tieTYT	yep
02:36	ucb	a side point, .regex-matches can be replaced by re-matches
02:36	ucb	(I believe)
02:36	tieTYT	yeah that's not a real method, i do use re-matches
02:36	ucb	oh, right :)
02:37	ucb	I'm thinking whether you could have a pred that used apply or ->>
02:37	ucb	so that you could write your conditions like (re-matches #"regex")
02:37	ucb	or (contains "string")
02:38	ucb	TO THE REPL!
02:38	tieTYT	the thing is, sometimes if the test passes I return true, sometimes I return false
02:38	tieTYT	hah
02:38	tieTYT	I could use a macro for this right? one without generated symbols
02:39	tieTYT	I believe that's called unhygenic, I'm not sure though
02:39	ucb	hum, perhaps
02:40	ucb	the alternative to cond is to have a list of these things and then drop-while falsey
02:40	ucb	I think that's some?
02:40	ucb	,(doc some?)
02:40	clojurebot	Huh?
02:40	ucb	,(doc some)
02:40	clojurebot	"([pred coll]); Returns the first logical true value of (pred x) for any x in coll, else nil. One common idiom is to use a set as pred, for example this will return :fred if :fred is in the sequence, otherwise nil: (some #{:fred} coll)"
02:41	tieTYT	hm maybe
02:41	ucb	something like: (some (fn [f] (f s)) [(partial re-matches #"regex") (partial str-contains "string")...])
02:41	tieTYT	maybe I could and/or two condps together
02:41	ucb	thing is, you wouldn't know which one matched :/
02:42	tieTYT	i don't need to know, it returns a bool
02:42	tieTYT	ok thanks for the help, ttyl
02:42	ucb	enjoy
02:45	rhg135	Hi
02:45	deadlockx2	why so many people here...?
02:45	rhg135	Yup
02:45	deadlockx2	noone cares about clojure
02:45	rhg135	Get him!
02:46	deadlockx2	and taht proves my point... ppl in this channel for no reason...
02:46	rhg135	Poor deadlockx2
02:47	deadlockx2	ur alone in this matter rhg135
02:48	rhg135	I'll tell rich when I see him lol
02:48	deadlockx2	tell everyone... obviously, your dare turned out to backfire :P
02:48	rhg135	Know who he is?
02:49	deadlockx2	nopz
02:49	mthvedt	don't feed the trolls
02:49	rhg135	The creator
02:49	Raynes	I don't Rich would care about this at all.
02:50	rhg135	I'm stuck with him anyway
02:50	deadlockx2	lol
02:50	rhg135	Ik
02:51	noprompt	he's joking right
02:51	noprompt	s/right/right?
02:51	rhg135	No
02:51	noprompt	oh that's a roflcopter...
02:51	rhg135	He's said it twice
02:52	deadlockx2	the twiceys rule :o
02:52	deadlockx2	anything you say twice.. you mean it
02:53	rhg135	Yup
02:53	noprompt	works for me!
02:53	deadlockx2	lol
02:54	Raynes	Ohai noprompt.
02:54	noprompt	wuzzup.
02:55	noprompt	boy lemme tell you about eating your own dog food...
02:55	Raynes	I don't have any dog food.
02:55	rhg135	+deadlockx2> if (sleep musthappen) (do (skipit)) else (do(irc))
02:55	rhg135	<+deadlockx2> or some bs like that
02:55	rhg135	<@rhg135> Bad
02:55	rhg135	<+deadlockx2> yeah.. its cuz noone cares about clojure
02:55	rhg135	<@rhg135> Go on #clojure and say that lol
02:55	rhg135	<+deadlockx2> will do
02:55	Raynes	I don't have any food at all, in fact.
02:55	noprompt	yeah don't eat dog food.
02:55	Raynes	It's okay if you don't like Clojure, guys.
02:56	Raynes	We're all fine with it.
02:56	noprompt	yeah, like, i don't really care for ruby.
02:56	noprompt	but if you care for it, then, like, well that's ok with me.
02:56	rhg135	The sad part is he likes java and oop
02:56	Raynes	You can, in fact, say you hate it without causing us any pain and suffering. We would however appreciate it if you don't bother us with it for the rest of the night.
02:57	Raynes	That's okay too.
02:57	Raynes	Not everybody likes our koolaid.
02:57	deadlockx2	theres koolaid involved?
02:57	noprompt	indeed, that would be ammenable.
02:57	deadlockx2	ok ok i retire my comments... i want some
02:57	Raynes	I have some koolaid right here.
02:57	deadlockx2	is it purple koolaid?
02:57	Raynes	Cherry red.
02:57	Raynes	I don't like grape.
02:58	deadlockx2	that works too :D
02:58	deadlockx2	lol
02:58	noprompt	does this happen often?
02:58	Raynes	noprompt: I've been using Vim all day.
02:58	noprompt	Raynes: for realz?
02:59	Raynes	Yeah. I think I just get bored with editors.
03:00	noprompt	i dunno man. i mean i think there's really only two out there you could possibly use.
03:00	Raynes	noprompt: The cool thing is that by using evil-mode I can more or less switch between editors and not give any shits at all.
03:01	noprompt	Raynes: that's certainly true, but i have found it frustrating that i can emulate some things with evil.
03:01	noprompt	for instance, i can't have a normal-state binding like ,el and have it do something.
03:01	noprompt	it seems limited to only two key strokes at this point.
03:02	noprompt	in vim i have normal mode maps like ,rbt for ToggleRainbowParens.
03:02	noprompt	vim is really great for that sort of thing.
03:04	noprompt	but yeah i hear you.
03:05	noprompt	right now i'm trying to port my vim colorscheme to emacs.
03:05	Raynes	tomorrow night <3
03:05	Raynes	Works everywhere.
03:05	Raynes	Even refheap.
03:05	noprompt	yeah, it's definitely a nice theme.
03:06	noprompt	a really cool colorscheme for Vim is Galaxy.
03:06	noprompt	https://github.com/Rykka/galaxy.vim
03:06	Raynes	MY EYES
03:06	Raynes	MY EYEEEEEES
03:06	noprompt	it's actually a weird scheme. in that it has it's own color theming tool built in.
03:07	noprompt	the defaults look pretty bad but it has a few different settings for some really nice dark themes.
03:08	Raynes	Holy shit.
03:08	Raynes	Today is Friday?
03:08	Raynes	Where did this week go?
03:08	Raynes	I need to stop taking sleeping pills.
03:08	Raynes	I thought maybe Wednesday.
03:09	jasonjckn	Raynes: melatonin?
03:09	Raynes	diphenhydramine
03:09	noprompt	Raynes: so were you doing clojure in vim?
03:10	Raynes	I'm doing it right now in fact.
03:10	noprompt	are you using fireplace or vimclojure?
03:10	Raynes	Fireplace.
03:10	Raynes	tpope is a boss.
03:10	noprompt	indeed.
03:10	Raynes	noprompt: https://www.refheap.com/paste/0eeb2ab595cdeb786ac91eefb You missed this while you disappeared.
03:10	jasonjckn	You know that emacs run vim right?
03:11	jasonjckn	it's called viper-mode :-P
03:11	Raynes	It's called evil-mode.
03:11	noprompt	jassonjckn: sike, it's called evil-mode
03:11	jasonjckn	lol
03:11	noprompt	boom!
03:11	jasonjckn	i tried it once, didn't like it either
03:11	noprompt	:)
03:11	Raynes	viper-mode is the completely ancient version.
03:11	Raynes	I use Emacs.
03:11	Raynes	But today I used Vim.
03:11	noprompt	yah, viper's the pits bro.
03:11	Raynes	I mean.
03:11	Raynes	I use both guys.
03:11	jasonjckn	me too
03:11	noprompt	me three.
03:11	Raynes	I'm ambieditorxious.
03:11	jasonjckn	my brain can switch easily between vim and emacs
03:11	jasonjckn	i'm that smart
03:12	noprompt	my brain cannot handle the default emacs keybindings.
03:12	noprompt	it's like when i tried to pick up dvorak.
03:12	noprompt	that was painful.
03:12	noprompt	and i went back to qwerty.
03:12	jasonjckn	have you tried default emacs AND dvorak, it's even more fun
03:12	noprompt	but i doubt there's an evil mode for dvorak.
03:12	noprompt	jasonjckn: so you're asking me to commit suicide? is that it?
03:13	noprompt	:P
03:13	Raynes	My boss uses a modified colemak on a kinesis advantage keyboard.
03:13	Raynes	Good luck beating that.
03:13	jasonjckn	I'm asking you to suck it up princess
03:13	jasonjckn	Crtl + X is painful, but then you realize you're alive
03:13	noprompt	i really want one of these http://www.datahand.com/
03:13	noprompt	well i have capslock bound to both ctrl and esc.
03:14	noprompt	esc on tap and ctrl on hold. so it's not so bad.
03:14	jasonjckn	Raynes: if it didn't take so long to change keyboard layouts i'd do that
03:14	jasonjckn	Raynes: but i learned dvorak when I was a teen
03:15	noprompt	wow colemak.
03:15	Raynes	PUT ON YOUR WAR PAINT!
03:15	jasonjckn	noprompt: have you talked to anyone that uses datahand?
03:15	Zerker	As a teen, I'm trying to learn steno :P
03:15	jasonjckn	noprompt: looks interesting
03:16	Raynes	noprompt: You should go to the Fall Out Boy conference with me in September.
03:16	Raynes	conference? Wtf.
03:16	Raynes	Concert.
03:16	noprompt	LMFAO!!!
03:16	noprompt	fall out boy conference.
03:16	Raynes	That's for the hardcore fans. I just want the concert.
03:16	Raynes	Unfortunately it is in Anaheim and I don't have any way to get there.
03:17	jasonjckn	Zerker: that keyboard layout is just non-sense
03:17	noprompt	i dunno man, i think i'd have to have a few before i went. that's really out of my element.
03:17	Raynes	Baha
03:17	Raynes	noprompt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hDZbroaQDc
03:18	noprompt	i had a roomate back in the day who was really in to those guys.
03:18	Zerker	It's based on pressing several keys at once to get less frequent ones, and typing syllables at a time
03:19	noprompt	Zerker: which layou is that?
03:19	Raynes	I like this new album. I only liked a few of their older songs, noprompt. I like them mostly because they discovered Panic! At The Disco which is one of my favorite bands
03:19	Zerker	Stenotype xD
03:19	noprompt	s/(ou)/\1t
03:19	Zerker	S/\1/&/
03:20	noprompt	it's funny you bring that up Zerker. i saw a commercial on television the other day about court room reporters and it got me thinking about that.
03:21	Raynes	noprompt: How do you feel about Imagine Dragons?
03:21	noprompt	so you can really hook a stenotype up and go for it?
03:21	Zerker	Yup, currently machines/software cost thousands of dollars, both are being open-sourced though
03:22	noprompt	Raynes: i have no idea. most of what i listen to is 60's/70's. occasionally i'll listen to some newer stuff though.
03:22	noprompt	Zerker: that it is - so - awesome.
03:23	Raynes	noprompt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sENM2wA_FTg
03:23	noprompt	Zerker: so you have one of those machines?
03:23	noprompt	lol. there isn't a depeche mode for emacs?
03:24	Zerker	I have a gaming keyboard(nkro kinda necessary) with lasercut keys stuck on top of it, first iteration of "open-sourcing the hardware" ^-^
03:26	noprompt	Raynes: hmm... not really my taste. most of the stuff now-a-days more or less sounds the same. but i wouldn't knock someome if they liked it.
03:26	Zerker	I'm at ~10WPM at the moment, but that's because I've been helping write code a lot more than actually drilling
03:27	gunface	hi guys, is there a pdf version of the whole clojure official documentation somewhere, I tried but couldn't find :(
03:27	caulagi	Is noir the recommended way to develop web applications in Clojure?
03:28	noprompt	gunface: the internet is your pdf version.
03:28	noprompt	:)
03:28	noprompt	lol but i do kinda like Dragon Force, Raynes. as cheesey as they are.
03:29	noprompt	something about wizards and fighthing for glory somehow connects me deeply to what i do as a programmer. :)
03:29	gunface	ahh ok, I thought i might find something to use offline
03:29	gunface	besides the doc function
03:29	gunface	ok
03:29	noprompt	gunface: why not pick up one of the good clojure books as a pdf?
03:30	noprompt	gunface: remember you also have clojure.repl/doc and clojure.repl/source at your disposal.
03:30	noprompt	,(doc map)
03:30	clojurebot	"([f coll] [f c1 c2] [f c1 c2 c3] [f c1 c2 c3 & ...]); Returns a lazy sequence consisting of the result of applying f to the set of first items of each coll, followed by applying f to the set of second items in each coll, until any one of the colls is exhausted. Any remaining items in other colls are ignored. Function f should accept number-of-colls arguments."
03:30	noprompt	,(source clojure.string/join)
03:30	clojurebot	Source not found\n
03:30	gunface	no I have all of them but they don't go full fledged in the library functions
03:31	noprompt	gunface: you mean as far as examples?
03:31	gunface	yeah and full coverage of functions too
03:31	gunface	ok repl will work for me
03:32	noprompt	well you can also try clojure-doc.org or clojuredocs.org
03:33	gunface	yeah noprompt will do :)
03:33	antares_	caulagi: look into Compojure or Luminus. Noir is no longer maintained.
03:33	noprompt	gunface: try not to pick everything up all at once. you can get a lot done with map, reduce, seq, into, etc.
03:33	noprompt	caulagi: there's also pedestal too.
03:34	noprompt	still not sure what the consensus is on that, however.
03:34	gunface	yeah getting a hang of map,reduce,filter stuff
03:34	noprompt	gunface: also it's good to recognize when fn's like comp and partial will suit you.
03:35	noprompt	for instance (partial apply some-fn) can be very concise and powerful.
03:35	tgoossens	i never actually used comp before i think
03:35	tgoossens	,(doc comp)
03:35	clojurebot	"([] [f] [f g] [f g h] [f1 f2 f3 & fs]); Takes a set of functions and returns a fn that is the composition of those fns. The returned fn takes a variable number of args, applies the rightmost of fns to the args, the next fn (right-to-left) to the result, etc."
03:35	noprompt	f circl g FTW
03:35	noprompt	;)
03:36	gunface	comp,partial,seq,into I haven't used looking them up
03:36	noprompt	comp is just function composition
03:36	gunface	as of now doing 4clojure questions :)
03:37	noprompt	,(map (comp inc inc) (range 3))
03:37	clojurebot	(2 3 4)
03:37	gunface	the small sokutions of others hurt like a bitch though :P
03:38	noprompt	i've never done any of those.
03:39	gunface	they seem good, the elementary ones are well, elementary but the later questions are good and have a code-golf thing in that so yeah a lot of map, reduce and functional stuff
03:39	caulagi	antares_:, noprompt: I will look at Luminus and pedestal, thanks
03:39	noprompt	btw Raynes, if you use the vim-clojure-static files it has awesome regexp highlighting ;)
03:39	Raynes	I do.
03:40	ejackson	Raynes got married ?
03:40	noprompt	Raynes: we didn't fuck around https://github.com/guns/vim-clojure-static/blob/master/syntax/clojure.vim#L78-L113
03:40	Raynes	Don't link me to viml man.
03:41	noprompt	https://github.com/guns/vim-clojure-static/blob/master/clj/test/syntax_test.clj
03:41	noprompt	that guy guns was pretty cool though coming up with a way to test the syntax files though.
03:41	noprompt	pretty clever.
03:41	noprompt	viml is nasty though...
03:43	noprompt	my guess is that doing syntax highlighting in emacs is much better.
03:44	noprompt	my guess
03:48	Raynes	noprompt: https://github.com/tpope/vim-fireplace/commit/77444275fda8e20ac2b92541398543fdd0fa2614 This is sad.
03:48	Raynes	I had to manually revert that .format() change to get it working.
03:48	caulagi	noprompt: does pedestal have templating? I.e. HTML is separate from Clojure?
03:50	Raynes	I hope not.
03:50	Raynes	There are lots of good libraries for doing that.
03:50	Raynes	I'd hope that pedestal is flexible enough to let you use any of them.
03:50	noprompt	man that's a bummer.
03:50	Raynes	See: laser, enlive, hiccup, clabango
03:50	noprompt	you know i should give fireplace another chance.
03:50	Raynes	stencil
03:51	noprompt	caulagi: yeah i dunno about html templating. with what's available, as Raynes just mentioned, it seems like a step backward.
03:52	noprompt	caulagi: the consensus seems to be geared toward composing your application from the pieces you want to use. not an all inclusive monolithic framework.
03:53	noprompt	btw laser is an awesome name and uses zippers which are way out rad stuff. :)
03:53	caulagi	noprompt: sure. But I don't want my Clojure code to generate HTML. I am just starting Clojure but it is much easier for me when the HTML is separate
03:54	caulagi	so what should I use?
03:54	Ember-	enlive maybe
03:54	Ember-	or well, you're just starting clojure...
03:54	Ember-	could be kinda a big leap then
03:54	noprompt	caulagi: if you're just starting clojure then definitely do hiccup anyway.
03:54	Raynes	I prefer laser myself.
03:54	Raynes	<_<
03:54	Raynes	>_>
03:54	Ember-	it's purely functional, needs a bit of mind twisting to get around (enlive that is)
03:54	noprompt	:)
03:54	Ember-	Raynes: I wonder why ;)
03:55	noprompt	caulagi: you can put your hiccup templates in a separate namespace.
03:55	caulagi	noprompt: by template, I mean a HTML file
03:56	noprompt	yes i understand that. i'm suggesting this as a thought expirement.
03:56	Raynes	Clabango is probably most approachable option. I think the consensus is that laser and enlive are the coolest solutions.
03:56	caulagi	Raynes: Let me look at laser and enlive
03:56	Raynes	They're also coincidentally the hardest to understand solutions.
03:57	Ember-	for a guy coming from oop world
03:57	Raynes	I have a guide, but Enlive has jack squat to help you understand how it works.
03:57	Ember-	not for a guy coming from the functional world
03:57	Raynes	Not that I'm promising miracles with my guide.
03:57	Ember-	an yeah, enlive is indeed lacking in documentation
03:57	Ember-	+d
03:57	Raynes	Ember-: Really? I started programming with Haskell and I couldn't figure Enlive out for a very long time.
03:57	Glenjamin	are there guidelines for handling error states in laser/enlive world - wouldn't you have to display all the errors on the page, and then have clojure turn them off?
03:57	Ember-	Raynes: :)
03:58	Raynes	Glenjamin: Or just conditionally display them.
03:58	Glenjamin	but then where do you put them?
03:58	Raynes	You probably can't do that easily in Enlive, but you can in Laser.
03:58	Raynes	Look at refheap.
03:58	Glenjamin	isn't the idea that a pure frontend person could build the templates, and then laser magically makes them dynamic?
03:58	Raynes	Glenjamin: https://github.com/Raynes/refheap/blob/master/src/refheap/views/paste.clj#L31
03:59	caulagi	Raynes: I still think Laser uses Clojure to generate HTML. Is that correct?
03:59	Raynes	caulagi: No.
03:59	Raynes	It takes HTML and then transforms that HTML and spits it back out.
03:59	Raynes	I mean, there is only so much you can do.
03:59	antares_	Laser uses the power of unicorns. You can't expect less from Raynes.
03:59	Raynes	If you want a dynamic website, you have to let your code touch your html.
03:59	Raynes	Hi antares_
03:59	Raynes	:D
04:00	Glenjamin	say for example i wanted to put inline errors next to form fields, i'd have to build my html as if everything had gone wrong, and then have laser hide them?
04:00	noprompt	Raynes: you know, after looking at enlive and laser i've wondered about CSS a bit more.
04:01	noprompt	of course CSS comes with a whole wonderful treasure trove of horse crap to deal with....
04:01	noprompt	html is the only part of the front-end webstack that isn't totally fucked.
04:02	Glenjamin	actually https://github.com/Raynes/refheap/blob/master/src/refheap/views/paste.clj#L64 is a good example - this bit of content creation is hidden from the template author
04:04	Raynes	Glenjamin: There are really two options. You can either conditionally generate that HTML in your Clojure and put it in there, or you can put all of the cases in your HTML and then conditionally remove the pieces you don't need in the transformation.
04:04	noprompt	Raynes: are you guys hand authoring all the css?
04:04	Raynes	noprompt: Yes.
04:05	caulagi	Raynes: what are the other pieces needed with laser?
04:05	Glenjamin	mm, i suppose the question i'm really asking is: is the goal to allow pure-frontend people to write the templates
04:05	Glenjamin	noprompt: as opposed to with a pre-processor?
04:05	Raynes	Glenjamin: Yes.
04:05	noprompt	Glenjamin: yah
04:05	Raynes	caulagi: I mean remove the unnecessary pieces of HTML with the laser transformation.
04:06	caulagi	Raynes: I got that. I meant, what other libraries should I use? laser is only the html part, right? What about routing and stuff
04:06	Raynes	compojure is a good option
04:07	Raynes	You should look at luminus. It'd help you get up and running pretty quickly.
04:07	noprompt	compojure's the bomb.
04:07	Raynes	$google luminus web
04:07	lazybot	[Luminus - A Clojure Web Framework] http://www.luminusweb.net/
04:07	Glenjamin	so you'd either have a bunch of stuff to conditionally remove, or some stuff frontend guys can't change - I wonder if something funky could be done with clojurescript to provide state previews
04:07	Raynes	Glenjamin: Yes. You'd have this problem in any templating solution though.
04:08	Raynes	Glenjamin: I mean, there is a third option. You can have it as a separate template.
04:08	Raynes	But template files with 1 line in them?
04:08	Raynes	BLEH
04:08	Glenjamin	yeah, but normally you'd throw logic into the template, so at least they can edit stuff - even if logic in templates is awful
04:08	Glenjamin	it's the balance between offline-preview and actually working online i guess
04:09	Glenjamin	anyway, i plan to have a proper go with laser once i've got my unstyled working beta deployed :)
04:11	noprompt	Raynes: would you be open to garden stylesheets once it's out of alpha?
04:11	Raynes	noprompt: I don't really like doing that sort of thing in Clojure.
04:12	Raynes	HOWEVER!
04:12	Raynes	Apparently my disdain for that is irrational.
04:12	Raynes	callen was complaining about duplication in my css file.
04:12	noprompt	well there's always sass + compass, but that can get slow.
04:12	Raynes	noprompt: I'd be open to it under the condition that it generate to a file and not just serve random magic.
04:12	Raynes	As in, generate to a file on startup.
04:13	Raynes	And that you add it in and not me. :P
04:13	Glenjamin	noprompt: do you have some notes for benefits over sass?
04:13	noprompt	Raynes: yeah that's how i do it now.
04:13	Glenjamin	or is it just speed?
04:13	Raynes	Glenjamin: Benefits? You do it in Clojure dude.
04:13	noprompt	Glenjamin: the benefits, imho, are not just speed.
04:13	Raynes	That's the benefit.
04:14	Glenjamin	all css pre-processors are basically functional/declarative
04:14	noprompt	the main benefit is consistency, which css lacks.
04:14	noprompt	and thus, sass lacks.
04:14	noprompt	or whatever preprocessor out there you use lacks.
04:15	Glenjamin	interesting, so you actually abstract away from raw CSS syntax?
04:15	Glenjamin	instead of being a superset
04:15	noprompt	to a degree yes. but i'm still working on it.
04:15	noprompt	it's got a decent base at the moment.
04:15	noprompt	and clear semantics.
04:16	Glenjamin	i suspect the issue will be, how well does it fit the existing mental model people have of how css works
04:16	noprompt	i've been working with CSS for almost 10 years now.
04:16	Glenjamin	the current generation of pre-processors all lightly wrap CSS, i suspect thats because people don't want to learn something completely different
04:17	noprompt	i'd say if you know it well enough, a mild shift in thinking is appropriate.
04:17	noprompt	as with lisp you have to slightly shift your thinking.
04:17	Glenjamin	my current stance is that CSS is excellent for text formatting, awful for layout - and I'm interested to see if a tool can somehow fix that :p
04:18	noprompt	it's actually not that bad.
04:18	noprompt	today i wrote a functional grid system.
04:19	Glenjamin	i'm certainly intrigued
04:19	noprompt	so you provide the grid settings and you get back a grid function (a map) for which you can use to do layou
04:19	noprompt	ie. [:section.main (grid :container)]
04:20	noprompt	[:.row (grid :row)]
04:20	Glenjamin	presumably you have to retain calling order, rather than being declarative?
04:20	noprompt	what do you mean?
04:21	noprompt	by calling order? (a little tired)
04:21	Glenjamin	one of the things that bugs me about sass is if i define media queries next to the elements they apply to, it's not smart enough to group them all together by breakpoint
04:21	noprompt	oh righ.
04:21	noprompt	*right
04:21	Glenjamin	so they get scattered across the generated file, duplicating the breakpoint definition
04:21	noprompt	well that's one of the thigns i'm thinking about.
04:22	noprompt	so my thinking is that when you compile the stylesheet it clearly separates "normal" rules and groups media queries as you would expect.
04:22	noprompt	normal rules take precedence of course.
04:22	Glenjamin	mm, seems sensible
04:22	noprompt	in the future i want to be able to mark rules like this.
04:23	noprompt	^:screen [:div.row ...]
04:23	Glenjamin	referencing other element's properties might be cool, not sure if needing that is a good thing though
04:23	noprompt	and then compile @media screen { div.row { ...
04:23	noprompt	well why would you?
04:23	noprompt	you don't need to because you're using clojure.
04:24	noprompt	just call a function or use a def in some place
04:24	Glenjamin	[:div.main {:width (- 100 (ref :div.sidebar :width))}]
04:24	noprompt	ah i see.
04:24	noprompt	hmm... i need to think about that one.
04:24	Glenjamin	unsure if thats useful when you have grids
04:24	noprompt	because you could say (def sidebar-width (px whatever))
04:25	noprompt	and then [:div.main {:width (px- sidebar-width 100)}]
04:25	noprompt	garden units automatically convert (when possible)
04:26	noprompt	but still i think that's an interesting thought.
04:27	noprompt	one thing i'm kinda debating right now, and Glenjamin_ let me know your thoughts here, is a lone :& selector.
04:27	noprompt	it'd basically be like a mixing but w/o bs defmixin etc.
04:28	noprompt	*mixin
04:29	noprompt	Raynes: lemme tell you about the worst thing that ever happened in my recent life.
04:30	Raynes	Exciting.
04:30	noprompt	the company i worked for blocked the IRC ports...
04:30	Raynes	Oh my goodness.
04:30	noprompt	yeah and what's worse is that i'd have to use some shitty irc client in the browser.
04:31	noprompt	needless to say i've vanished from irc during the day.
04:31	noprompt	and it's been oh so sad.
04:31	noprompt	oh and they blocked most of the chat protocols too.
04:31	Raynes	I could fix that for you if you wanted to break company rules.
04:31	Raynes	If they really just block IRC ports.
04:31	noprompt	i'm all ears.
04:31	Raynes	I have a bouncer that runs on port 7776.
04:32	Raynes	If they don't block that then I can give you an account on it and you can connect via it.
04:32	noprompt	they really did, and they blocked the ssl ports as well.
04:32	noprompt	yeah it's blocked...
04:32	Raynes	7776?
04:32	Raynes	Wow.
04:32	noprompt	they've only left open the standard ports needed for existence like 22.
04:32	Raynes	Quit your job, man.
04:33	noprompt	if you know a place where i can go, please let me know.
04:33	noprompt	i had to write a huge letter asking for the port to be reopened AT MY DESK.
04:33	Raynes	If we blocked IRC ports at work I'd actually get work done.
04:34	noprompt	dude, i work for a newspaper company that can't get their shit together.
04:34	iamdrw	howdy everybody, quick question — what is the idiomatic way of converting json to clojure map from clojurescript? as I understand clojure.data.json doesn't work there
04:34	Raynes	This channel is publicly logged btw, noprompt.
04:34	noprompt	point being?
04:35	noprompt	;)
04:35	Raynes	Your company hatred is now google searchable. :p
04:35	noprompt	that's ok. they don't understand the internets. :P
04:35	Raynes	Heh
04:35	noprompt	and for the record, i don't actually hate the company.
04:36	noprompt	i work with great people. it's just that they have some weird approaches to solving problems.
04:37	noprompt	iamdrw: not sure. i guess i'd do (.toJSON (clj->js map))
04:37	noprompt	or whatever the method is in javascript to convert an object to json.
04:43	iamdrw	I want to convert json to hash map, there is a js->cli, but it's not actualy what I want
04:44	iamdrw	like (json/read-str "{\"a\":1,\"b\":2}"
04:44	iamdrw	:key-fn keyword)
04:44	iamdrw	from clojure.data.json
04:45	iamdrw	but I can't use it from clojure script :(
04:46	noprompt	right. hmm. but i thought javascript had a json parser.
04:46	noprompt	as in from a string.
04:47	noprompt	sorry it's been a little bit since i messed with cljs, or even js.
04:47	noprompt	https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/JSON/parse
04:48	iamdrw	no parsing json is not a problem, but that gives me a js object
04:48	iamdrw	and I want that js object to be converted to clojure map
04:48	mpenet	(js->clj x)
04:48	noprompt	and (js->clj obj) doesn't work?
04:49	iamdrw	it works, but I want to have keys be a keywords instead of strings
04:49	iamdrw	and I don't wan't to do conversion two times
04:50	noprompt	in that case you may have to.
04:51	noprompt	but it makes sense to have them be strings. since this is valid json {"first name": "bob"}
04:51	iamdrw	maybe I'll stick with that
04:52	iamdrw	because parsing whole object is a bit slow for big objects
04:52	abp	Hell-o
04:52	noprompt	yeah, but you'd still have the same issue in raw js to btw.
04:52	noprompt	obj["first name"]
04:53	noprompt	but most of the js engines are pretty fast. you'd have to have a really large js obj for it to be slow.
04:54	noprompt	have you tried to mimic clojure.data.json?
04:54	noprompt	with stuff like :key-fn?
04:54	iamdrw	the problem is that I don't have a clojure server, yet
04:55	iamdrw	it's a pure clojurescript app
04:56	noprompt	have you used vagrant before?
04:56	noprompt	you could try it out on a fake server and get a feel for it.
04:57	noprompt	sometimes you have to do things twice. if there's a performance bottleneck then you worry.
04:58	noprompt	just brainstorming here.
04:58	mpenet	iamdrw: you can have the keys as keywords if you use (js->clj x :keywordize-keys)
04:59	mpenet	iamdrw: (js->clj x :keywordize-keys true)
05:01	noprompt	ah, good to know. wasn't aware of that.
05:01	noprompt	mpenet: but what about when the keys contain spaces?
05:01	noprompt	or worse symbols like @ or %
05:01	mpenet	,(keyword "foo bar")
05:01	iamdrw	the json doesn't contain spaces
05:01	clojurebot	:foo bar
05:01	mpenet	you need to be careful
05:02	noprompt	,(keyword "e@mail")
05:02	clojurebot	:e@mail
05:02	noprompt	whoa.
05:03	noprompt	oh, i'm thinking of symbols as being problematic.
05:03	iamdrw	@mpenet — that's exactly what I want
05:03	mpenet	noprompt: they arent I think, you have an example in mind?
05:04	noprompt	well i'm not completely sure but i know having the % and @ characters and even the : character in symbols can cause the clojure reader to complain
05:05	iamdrw	@noprompt in general it's a problem, but in my case I have json of defined structure returned by api
05:06	noprompt	hmm... well maybe not. i think that was a 1.4.0 problem
05:06	noprompt	seems to work fine in 1.5.0+
05:06	Zerker	,(keyword ":::")
05:06	clojurebot	::::
05:07	noprompt	,:::
05:07	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:07	noprompt	,:::
05:07	noprompt	,:::
05:07	noprompt	,:::
05:07	noprompt	,:::
05:07	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:07	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:07	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:07	noprompt	,:::
05:07	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:07	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:07	noprompt	,:::
05:07	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:07	Zerker	,(:::)
05:07	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:07	noprompt	,:::
05:07	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:08	noprompt	,:::
05:08	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: :::>
05:08	noprompt	sorry
05:08	Zerker	,(::)
05:08	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: ::>
05:08	noprompt	holy crap, i'm really sorry
05:08	Zerker	,'(::)
05:08	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: ::>
05:08	noprompt	evil-mode fail.......
05:08	Zerker	,(list (keyword ":"))
05:08	clojurebot	(::)
05:09	noprompt	reminds me of ruby
05:09	noprompt	where you can do stuff like "::".to_symbol but not ::
05:10	Zerker	,(eval '(list ::))
05:10	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid token: ::>
05:10	noprompt	ok i think i'm gonna turn off evil-mode in erc
05:10	Zerker	,(quote (keyword ":"))
05:10	clojurebot	(keyword ":")
05:11	Zerker	,(eval (cons 'quote (keyword ":"))
05:11	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: EOF while reading>
05:12	Zerker	Zerker: (eval (cons 'quote (keyword ":"))
05:12	noprompt	well that one actually makes sense
05:12	Zerker	,(eval (cons 'quote (keyword ":")))
05:12	clojurebot	#<Exception java.lang.Exception: SANBOX DENIED>
05:12	Zerker	'(eval 1)
05:13	Zerker	,(eval 1)
05:13	clojurebot	#<Exception java.lang.Exception: SANBOX DENIED>
05:13	noprompt	oh man, i think i broke it.
05:13	noprompt	(dec noprompt)
05:13	lazybot	You can't adjust your own karma.
05:13	Zerker	,(cons (keyword ":") (keyword "::"))
05:13	clojurebot	#<IllegalArgumentException java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Don't know how to create ISeq from: clojure.lang.Keyword>
05:14	noprompt	when i tried (eval (cons 'quote (keyword ":")))
05:14	noprompt	i got: IllegalArgumentException Don't know how to create ISeq from: clojure.lang.Keyword clojure.lang.RT.seqFrom (RT.java:505)
05:14	noprompt
05:14	Zerker	,(cons (keyword ":") '())
05:14	clojurebot	(::)
05:14	noprompt	weird
05:15	Zerker	I think evals are just prohibited, same as defs
05:18	noprompt	makes sense.
05:24	noprompt	weavejester: why is html a macro in hiccup?
05:24	Raynes	noprompt: Optimization purposes mostly, IIRC.
05:24	Raynes	noprompt: It generates as much of your HTML at compile-time as possible.
05:26	noprompt	interesting. that makes sense. i switched garden.core/css to a function today because i wasn't sure if i needed ito be a macro at this point.
05:26	noprompt	i'm not that advanced yet.
05:27	noprompt	i'm still trying to comprehend much of the hiccup source.
05:32	noprompt	well i'm out for the night.
05:32	Raynes	Night
05:32	noprompt	:)
05:32	noprompt	laters.
05:50	ordnungswidrig	re
05:52	abp	Any suggestions on how to store a ring app's configuration? I've got different environments like dev, test, staging, live. So I'm leaning towards having dev as a map of the basic configuration, merging in specific settings per environment. What environment the app is started in would be determined via an environment variable. (No set variable raises an error)
05:52	weavejester	abp: I tend to use environ
05:57	abp	weavejester: Yea, already seen environ. That seems more basic than what I need. Probably combined with carica I could do everything I think off.
05:57	abp	weavejester: Also, your clojure-toolbox is missing a config section. ;)
05:59	Raynes	Oh, I guess...
05:59	Raynes	weavejester: https://github.com/Raynes/leasdt
05:59	Raynes	Er.
05:59	Raynes	weavejester: https://github.com/Raynes/least
05:59	Raynes	Highly doubt you have a category for that one.
05:59	Raynes	But there it is nonetheless.
06:00	abp	Raynes: Web API Clients, your tentacles are in there. :P
06:00	Raynes	orly
06:00	Raynes	Well, that works then.
06:17	Raynes	$lfmassoc RaynesFM
06:17	lazybot	Associated your username.
06:17	Raynes	$last
06:17	lazybot	RaynesFM is listening to: Fall Out Boy - The Phoenix [Save Rock And Roll]
06:18	Raynes	Welp, that was about 4 hours of work.
06:18	Raynes	It's 3:17AM. I can't believe I stayed up this late working on that.
06:18	Raynes	I have to go to work in the morning.
06:18	clgv	Raynes: that's called passion ;)
06:18	Raynes	It's called stupidity.
06:18	Raynes	I just traded my well being tomorrow for a moment of pleasure tonight. :P
06:18	clgv	Thats what the unpassionate say ;)
06:19	Raynes	Sad part is that at least 2 of those 4 hours was fighting with vim-fireplace (found a couple of bugs).
06:19	clgv	that sucks
06:22	Raynes	Well. I'm going to sleep. Hard.
06:22	Raynes	Goodnight #clojure.
06:27	filippobo	hi there
06:27	filippobo	I have a seq of sets like: (def in '(#{1 6} #{3 4} #{2 5}))
06:28	filippobo	how can I get something like (def out '(1 6 3 4 2 5)) ?
06:29	clgv	good night raynes
06:29	clgv	,(reduce into [] '(#{1 6} #{3 4} #{2 5}))
06:29	clojurebot	[1 6 3 4 2 ...]
06:30	filippobo	into is the key!
06:30	clgv	no guarantees on order though
06:30	hyPiRion	yeah
06:30	filippobo	thanks clgv ;-)
06:31	filippobo	ok... the sets are actually ordered-set
06:31	hyPiRion	,(= (set (range -20 20)) (set (range 19 -21 -1)))
06:31	clojurebot	true
06:31	clgv	well, then you have a guarantee ;)
06:31	filippobo	sorted-set
06:31	hyPiRion	,(= (seq (set (range -20 20))) (seq (set (range 19 -21 -1))))
06:31	clojurebot	false
06:44	clgv	,(= (seq (sorted-set (range -20 20))) (seq (sorted-set (range 19 -21 -1))))
06:44	clojurebot	false
06:45	hyPiRion	,(= (sorted-set (range -20 20)) (sorted-set (range 19 -21 -1)))
06:45	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.LazySeq cannot be cast to java.lang.Comparable>
06:45	hyPiRion	aha!
06:46	hyPiRion	,(= (apply sorted-set (range -20 20)) (apply sorted-set (range 19 -21 -1)))
06:46	clojurebot	true
06:48	clgv	ah damn. there was an asymmetrie...
06:49	hyPiRion	well
06:49	hyPiRion	set != hash-set
06:57	ambrosebs	hyPiRion: whats the difference?
07:01	hyPiRion	,(set (range 5))
07:01	clojurebot	#{0 1 2 3 4}
07:02	hyPiRion	,(hash-set (range 5))
07:02	clojurebot	#{(0 1 2 3 4)}
07:02	hyPiRion	ambrosebs: I was talking about the functions, not the specific classes :)
07:02	ambrosebs	Got it :)
07:15	samrat	Raynes: I'm getting a "Invalid method signature supplied" error in least while trying the `write` example in the readme
07:26	naeg	what's the reader sugar behind #"regex"?
07:27	hyPiRion	naeg: what do you ask?
07:28	hyPiRion	,#"\d+"
07:28	clojurebot	#"\d+"
07:28	naeg	hyPiRion: actually I want to make a regex out of a normal string
07:28	hyPiRion	,(re-find "1234 12421" #"\d+")
07:28	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.String cannot be cast to java.util.regex.Pattern>
07:28	hyPiRion	whoops.
07:28	hyPiRion	naeg: oh, in that case you should probably use Pattern.
07:29	naeg	hyPiRion: btw, I found out what was wrong with my alpha-beta algorithm
07:30	hyPiRion	,(java.util.regex.Pattern/compile "\\d+") ;; from string
07:30	clojurebot	#"\d+"
07:30	hyPiRion	oh?
07:30	naeg	(take-while cond (reductions ...)) doesn't work since
07:30	naeg	,(last (take-while #(< % 100) [20 40 100 30]))
07:30	clojurebot	40
07:30	naeg	won't return the 100, which I actually wanted
07:30	naeg	had to use reduce/reduced now
07:31	hyPiRion	oh
07:32	Zerker	,(first (take-while #(>= % 100) [20 40 100 30]))
07:32	clojurebot	nil
07:33	Zerker	,(doc take-until)
07:33	clojurebot	Cool story bro.
07:33	hyPiRion	heheh
07:33	hyPiRion	drop-while
07:34	hyPiRion	,(drop-while #(< % 100) [20 40 100 30])
07:34	clojurebot	(100 30)
07:34	Zerker	naeg: ^?
07:34	naeg	Zerker: but can't use drop-while either, since that will realize the calls returned by (reductions ...)
07:35	naeg	were I put numbers in that example, there are actually function calls which where not realized yet, and should not be realized more than needed
07:35	Zerker	drop-while isn't lazy?
07:36	naeg	it is, but still the 30 is realized when you do
07:36	naeg	,(first (drop-while #(< % 100) [20 40 100 30]))
07:36	clojurebot	100
07:36	naeg	...I think
07:36	naeg	checking...
07:38	hyPiRion	Zerker: it's the common issue
07:38	hyPiRion	,(take 1 (map #(do (pr \.) 0) (range)))
07:38	clojurebot	#<ArityException clojure.lang.ArityException: Wrong number of args (1) passed to: sandbox$eval35$fn>
07:38	hyPiRion	,(take 1 (map #(do (pr \.) %) (range)))
07:38	clojurebot	(\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.\.0)
07:38	hyPiRion	it's semilazy
07:40	naeg	,(drop-while #(< % 100) (reductions #(do (println %) (inc %2)) [98 99 100 101]))
07:40	clojurebot	(98\n100\n100 101\n101 102)
07:40	naeg	see, the call with 101 as arg is realized too
08:49	gdev	good morning fellow clojurist for whom the hour is indeed morning, else good afternoon or evening
08:56	gdev	, ((comparator >) 1/3 0.3333333333333333)
08:56	clojurebot	0
08:56	gdev	, ((comparator >) 1/3 0.333333333333333)
08:56	clojurebot	-1
08:57	namespace	(Please note, I have no way of evaluating the strength of this code, so I'm assuming it's bad.)
08:57	namespace	http://pastebin.com/WQPsDwJj
08:58	namespace	I'm trying to print every line that ends with a question mark, and then print every line before it until one starts with an upper case letter.
08:59	namespace	The error message I get is "ClassCastException java.lang.Long cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn " which I read means I can't cast a long to a function.
09:00	dnolen	namespace: it means you're trying to invoke a number as a function
09:00	dnolen	,(1 'foo)
09:00	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Long cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn>
09:00	namespace	Right.
09:00	namespace	I don't see where I'm doing that.
09:05	dnolen	namespace: might be easier to see what's going if you provided the inputs you're using
09:06	namespace	That's the problem.
09:06	namespace	They're probably under copyright.
09:06	namespace	-_-
09:06	dnolen	namespace: I'm sure you can come up w/ sample inputs that don't infringe
09:06	namespace	Okay.
09:08	clgv	namespace: you should definitely lean about "let"
09:08	clgv	*learn
09:08	namespace	clgv: Noted.
09:09	clgv	there are far too many repetitions in your code snippet
09:09	namespace	I know about it, but don't know how it would help here.
09:09	clgv	namespace: better code is easier to understand by other
09:09	namespace	I'm sure when you point it out I'll go "Oh, I see, I'm dumb.".
09:10	dnolen	namespace: you have a lot of code duplication, (first ln) (last ln)
09:10	dnolen	namespace: https://gist.github.com/swannodette/5420253
09:11	namespace	So that's how I'm supposed to indent it.
09:12	dnolen	namespace: update to remove all repeated (get vec f). that's how I would indent it anyways.
09:12	clgv	(get vec f) should also be calculated only once ^^
09:12	namespace	http://pastebin.com/5Bndgr0x Sample input
09:13	dnolen	namespace: but what parameter is that, your function takes two arguments
09:14	namespace	vec
09:14	dnolen	namespace: and what is the first argument?
09:14	dnolen	namespace: can't test your fn w/o know both
09:14	dnolen	knowing
09:14	namespace	Right.
09:14	namespace	(0 1)
09:16	dnolen	namespace: do you mean '(0 1) ?
09:16	namespace	So it should print everything except "And in other news..."
09:16	namespace	Maybe.
09:17	noncom	so i'm like trying to include a simple jar (not anywhere on clojars or sonatype but local) into a lein project
09:17	dnolen	namespace: yes or no? if you're inputing (0 1) that's the source of your error right there.
09:17	dnolen	,(0 1)
09:17	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Long cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn>
09:17	namespace	I don't know.
09:18	noncom	and in lein deps it says that it cannot get it since there is a typo in :dependencies or network issue
09:18	namespace	And thinking about it, yes.
09:18	dnolen	namespace: well I can't help you if you don't know :)
09:18	namespace	It's definitely the problem.
09:18	namespace	Thank you.
09:18	noncom	i followed this guide : http://www.pgrs.net/2011/10/30/using-local-jars-with-leiningen/
09:18	dnolen	namespace: you're also going to get null pointer exceptions in your code
09:18	dnolen	namespace: ((print x) (questions (cons (inc l) l) vec))
09:19	dnolen	print returns nil
09:19	namespace	Oh.
09:19	dnolen	and then you try to invoke it
09:19	dnolen	you probably want:
09:19	dnolen	(do (print x) (questions (cons (inc l) l) vec))
09:19	namespace	Yes, yes I do.
09:21	namespace	Notes for the future: 1. Look up how to indent. 2. Use let to shorten things I do more than once. 3. Use do. 4. Provide input along with the function. Did I get everything?
09:23	dnolen	namespace: the purpose of the ln parameter seems a bit convoluted. I'd look into eliminating it
09:23	namespace	Oh right.
09:23	namespace	I took that as a given.
09:25	dnolen	namespace: also on large enough inputs your program will probably stackoverflow. it appears it will do that anyway as I don't see a terminal condition and every branch recursively calls questions again.
09:26	namespace	The terminal condition is "the program crashes". It's standalone.
09:27	noncom	so anyone knows how to link not maven-enabled jars to a lein project?
09:27	joegallo	noncom: mvn install them
09:29	joegallo	FAQ #4 https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/blob/master/doc/FAQ.md
09:32	clgv	noncom:better do not - it is easy to add them to clojars. I have done that twice
09:36	noncom	mvn install or lein install gives errors... andidk how to push to clojars since it is a java lib
09:37	noncom	if you point to an instruction, i think it will help
09:37	clgv	noncom: just write a minimal pom and "scp" the jar with he pom to clojars
09:37	noncom	i did this: "mvn install:install-file -Dfile=jaad-0.8.3.jar -DartifactId=jaad -Dversion=0.8.3 -DgroupId=jaad -Dpackaging=jar -DlocalRepositoryPath=maven_repository" and maven created a pom
09:38	noncom	so there is one. does it have to be in the same folder as the jar?
09:39	joegallo	yes
09:39	joegallo	it's doesn't just know where random jar files are on your machine
09:40	clgv	noncom: just do "scp jaad.pom jaad-0.8.3.jar clojars@clojars.org" provided you have an account at clojars and your user accoutns public ssh key is registered there
09:40	noncom	well it created the folder structure itself so i presumed it knew where all things are
09:40	clgv	noncom: https://github.com/ato/clojars-web/wiki/Pushing#ssh
09:41	clgv	oops pom.xml it is ;)
09:41	noncom	joegallo: whatever i do, even putting both the jar and the pom into the same dir, now, mvn install yields this: [ERROR] The goal you specified requires a project to execute but there is no POM in this directory
09:42	noncom	clgv: i'll try that! first i have to register on clojars and get the ssh though )))
09:42	noncom	i'm rather new to clojure so nothing is ready yet
09:43	clgv	noncom: are you on a linux machine?
09:44	noncom	clgv: nope) it'swin7
09:44	noncom	here is the pom that it generated: http://pastebin.com/UJBvRTBn, the library is named minim-2.1.0.jar
09:44	noncom	theyre in the same folder...
09:45	noncom	ehh... intended to be simple, but still lots of convolute things
09:45	noncom	maybe there is some definite instruction on that.. there should be some standard way of deadling with this, no?
09:47	noncom	i'll also try the ssh way now, i know how to make it work on windows, i did it before
09:48	clgv	:)
09:48	noncom	but why so hard...
09:48	joegallo	because you're doing something out of the ordinary
09:49	noncom	sure, i trust you, but i can't believe that using arbitrary java jars in my project on java machine is not ordinary :D
09:50	joegallo	you're right, i tell lies to newbies on the internet just for fun
09:50	noncom	:DDD
09:52	joegallo	https://gist.github.com/anonymous/aa0556dd7dbacd1e0a7e/raw/76ed293ad6b658cff154878e813d7c2d763895d2/gistfile1.txt
09:52	joegallo	i dunno what to tell ya, buddy, it works fine here
09:59	noncom	joegallo: ok i did that the last time and it created the pom. now i did it again with your command (like removing .0 in the version which is like insignificant)... and the report is the same as yours - all success, but lein deps gives errors. here is the pastebin with the lein error and my project.clj file: http://pastebin.com/D7Jytnjx
10:02	namespace	Another stupid question: Is there a lib I need to load at runtime to get the clojure interop?
10:02	clgv	noncom: if you install it only locally I hope you have only one development machine and it's a private project ;)
10:03	borkdude	namespace interop from java or what?
10:23	noncom	TimMc: yeah, agree. just have to accustomize myself with the system. see i'm coming from a stone age when jars were plugged-in manually. hey i used sbt for scala but there are not problems like that..
10:23	noncom	internet repository i consider a major good since it helps centralization and is a result of evolution
10:25	TimMc	More importantly, it helps with repeatability.
10:25	TimMc	~repeatability
10:25	clojurebot	repeatability is crucial for builds, see https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/wiki/Repeatability
10:27	noncom	ooh!)
10:27	mefesto	is there a definitive index of ClojureScript libraries?
10:50	mefesto	in clojurescript, is there a built-in function for converting a NodeList to a seq or vector?
10:53	gdev	is there a schedule for the google hangout sessions? I always see those posted after they're over.
11:00	dnolen	mefesto: no but you can easily extend NodeList to ISeq, ILookup etc yourself.
11:00	ppppaul	when would i use reverse over rseq?
11:00	mefesto	dnolen: ok thanks
11:01	noncom	what is the idiomatic way in clojure to name variables whose names collide with standard ones. like i have a fn argument named "name"
11:02	dnolen	ppppaul: reverse calls rseq
11:02	mpenet	noncom: in most case I wouldn't bother, unless you need clj.core/name in your fn
11:08	ppppaul	on clojuredocs the source says otherwise
11:08	ppppaul	maybe this has changed past 1.3
11:08	noncom_	mpenet: yeah, i mostly don't but this is the case.. so ok, i just make some prefix i think
11:13	tmciver	noncom_: the way to exclude a name is like this: http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/1.2.0/clojure.core/refer-clojure
11:14	noncom_	yeah...
11:20	naeg	how to [0 1 2 3] => [[0 1] [2 3]]?
11:20	naeg	it's so simple, but can't remember...
11:20	ucb	,(doc partition)
11:20	clojurebot	"([n coll] [n step coll] [n step pad coll]); Returns a lazy sequence of lists of n items each, at offsets step apart. If step is not supplied, defaults to n, i.e. the partitions do not overlap. If a pad collection is supplied, use its elements as necessary to complete last partition upto n items. In case there are not enough padding elements, return a partition with less than n items."
11:20	ucb	naeg: ^^^
11:20	naeg	ucb: thanks! I remember now...
11:29	AndChat718256	,(doc seq)
11:29	clojurebot	"([coll]); Returns a seq on the collection. If the collection is empty, returns nil. (seq nil) returns nil. seq also works on Strings, native Java arrays (of reference types) and any objects that implement Iterable."
11:33	joegallo	ucb: ##(seq (apply hash-map [0 1 2 3])) ; the subtle bugs this would result in would so amazingly devious
11:33	lazybot	⇒ ([0 1] [2 3])
11:34	ucb	heh - nice joegallo
11:34	joegallo	we really need an evil bot to answer questions with misleading code that happens to work for their simple answer
11:34	ucb	isn't there a findfn thing that'll do something like that already?
11:34	joegallo	well, it give non-evil answers, too
11:35	ucb	yeah
11:38	TimMc	joegallo: ##(trampoline + 2 3)
11:38	lazybot	⇒ 5
12:04	technomancy	joegallo: lazybot answers a bunch of questions in the negative; that could be considered evil
12:11	gunface	Is there anyway to connect privately to the clojurebot so that everyone doesn't see my error messages? :P
12:11	gdev	yeah, hit ctrl+alt + t, type lein repl, hit enter
12:11	hiredman	it's called "a repl" you can even run it on your computer
12:13	tpope	Raynes: pong (already rolled back the problematic commit)
12:21	TimMc	gunface: Private-message it.
12:22	TimMc	But yes, `lein repl` also works surprisingly well as a repl. :-P
12:22	technomancy	eh; it's all right I guess
12:24	rkh	Hehehe.
12:24	gunface	Yeah but I am on my android far away from lein :P
12:24	gdev	theres an android repl app
12:25	gunface	There is :O
12:25	gdev	https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sattvik.clojure_repl&hl=en
12:27	gdev	Daniel Solano Gomez also did a talk about getting clojure on android which is on youtube
12:29	gunface	gdev you just made my commutes so much more fun :)
12:29	gunface	Thanks a lot
12:29	gunface	And yeah will check that talk
12:31	luxbock	I'm learning Clojure (and programming in general) by creating an application for analyzing poker hands
12:32	luxbock	atm I'm working on interpreting handranges (for example: AK, ATs would be a range that includes all combinations of Ace King, and Ace Ten suited)
12:32	luxbock	here are the full list of hand range macros I have in mind: https://www.refheap.com/paste/13773
12:33	ToBeReplaced	i just did my first clojars release! https://github.com/ToBeReplaced/jdbc-format ... high-fives?
12:33	luxbock	so these are all strings that then get translated to the proper card data type representation (they are just vectors)
12:34	luxbock	I figured that before I jump to the task at hand, I should ask here about what's the best way to go about implementing it
12:34	luxbock	should I just use regex or are there alternatives to that?
12:35	nz	luxbock: last night I saw a presentation on how to do poker hand detection using core.logic https://github.com/PasiHeikkinen/poker
12:35	luxbock	oh cool
12:35	nz	luxbock: which is not the way to go if you need any kind of speed
12:36	TimMc	ToBeReplaced: Sweet! Did you sign it?
12:37	luxbock	yeah speed is definitely an issue further down the road
12:38	nz	luxbock: some links: http://spaz.ca/poker/ http://poker.cs.ualberta.ca/
12:39	luxbock	yep, I've read their stuff before
12:40	luxbock	though now my focus is more on how to learn how to program and less on how to play poker :)
12:40	ToBeReplaced	TimMc: no i didn't; can you link me somewhere to learn about that?
12:43	rboyd	luxbock: so this is for classifying holdem starting hands/hole cards?
12:43	luxbock	yep
12:43	rboyd	luxbock: there's https://github.com/jamesmacaulay/poker-hands for ranking 5 card hands. also a pr in there from me on finding the best 5 of 7
12:43	rboyd	not exactly what you're trying to do but maybe useful later
12:45	luxbock	thanks
12:45	TimMc	ToBeReplaced: `lein help gpg`, or https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/blob/stable/doc/GPG.md
12:45	TimMc	Basically, create a GPG keypair and use lein deploy. (This is all lein 2.)
12:46	TimMc	Once everything is set up it is easy-peasy.
12:47	ToBeReplaced	i guess it auto-signs on lein deploy clojars?
12:49	ToBeReplaced	is there a way to sign a version already uploaded?
12:49	xeqi	ToBeReplaced: yep, trying to make it easy
12:49	xeqi	and no, but would you really want to sign a jar that was on the internet
12:50	ToBeReplaced	good point
12:50	xeqi	though atm you do have to assume we're not messing with the jars to use the ecosystem :p
12:51	TimMc	ToBeReplaced: The easiest thing to do is make another commit bumping the version number at the patch level ("bugfix: jar was not signed") and then lein deploy that.
12:51	ToBeReplaced	where can you see whether or not something was signed? i had filled out my ssh public key prior to deploy
12:52	TimMc	xeqi: I can see a potential problem here for people who are doing their first signing.
12:52	xeqi	there is a .asc file in the repo, I really should add some sorta flair to the artifact page for signed / releases repo stuff
12:53	TimMc	Try to deploy; signing fails; can't re-deploy over artifact; bump the version; try to deploy the new version; signing fails for another and exciting reason...
12:54	xeqi	TimMc: the signing happens before the push to the server
12:54	xeqi	all the server does is save the files, all the logic is client side
12:54	technomancy	TimMc: you don't have to bump the version number ATM
12:54	technomancy	we're just discussing making that change; hasn't happened yet
12:55	technomancy	you can just redeploy currently
12:59	ToBeReplaced	hm... so i definitely didn't add a gpg key before deploying... but it is showing up as signed with lein deps :verify; if i filled out ssh public key, does that count as a signature?
13:00	xeqi	ToBeReplaced: no, that just lets you deploy wit hssh, which used to be the normal way to do it
13:00	technomancy	ToBeReplaced: whether it's signed is different from whether clojars can verify the signature server-side
13:00	technomancy	ToBeReplaced: for Clojars to verify, it needs your gpg key to be added to your profile
13:00	technomancy	but it will happily serve a signature you deploy without verifying it
13:00	xeqi	it appears that you did sign it https://clojars.org/repo/jdbc-format/jdbc-format/0.1.0/
13:03	ToBeReplaced	so i assume that since i already had a gpg pair, lein deploy clojars signed the jar... then when i added my pub key to my clojars profile, it was able to verify?
13:04	TimMc	technomancy: But once overwriting is prevented, this could become an issue.
13:05	technomancy	indeed
13:05	TimMc	I guess if you can prevent the deploy if signing fails, it's all good.
13:07	ToBeReplaced	is there a thread where i can read about the decision for clojars to use gpg?
13:08	augustl	anyone got some favorite clojure swag webshops? :)
13:09	technomancy	ToBeReplaced: all the infrastructure around Maven assumes GPG, and it has hands-down the best tooling for this kind of thing
13:10	technomancy	ToBeReplaced: do you mean GPG vs another signing mechanism, or do you mean the decision to encourage signing in general?
13:10	ToBeReplaced	both? i'm not sure what i'm asking... i don't know what factors come into play
13:11	ToBeReplaced	i'm just kinda surprised by me having signed something without knowing it
13:14	technomancy	it didn't prompt you for your passphrase?
13:14	technomancy	but yeah, I think the output could be clearer
13:15	TimMc	ToBeReplaced: I didn't like it using my regular GPG key for software signing, so I added a key selection patch. It was a bit startling.
13:15	ToBeReplaced	technomancy: it did, you're right
13:16	technomancy	it could definitely be clearer about why it's asking
13:17	ToBeReplaced	you know, i think i was just confused; it all seems to make sense now
13:18	technomancy	there's kind of a lot going on
13:19	technomancy	I wonder if we could de-emphasise the SSH pubkey section of the profile
13:19	billy_bodacious	im using lein ring uberjar but it throws a classnotfound exception regarding a require in a ns, where as lein uberjar works fine, anyone have a clue as to why
13:19	ToBeReplaced	i got confused because of the combination of ssh and gpg
13:19	technomancy	ToBeReplaced: SSH is legacy
13:20	weavejester	billy_bodacious: lein uberjar doesn't necessarily compile anything, but lein ring uberjar currently works using an AOT-compiled servlet class
13:20	ToBeReplaced	i probably glossed over the gpg thinking it was ssh -- is there any reason to keep an ssh pub key in my clojars profile now?
13:20	ToBeReplaced	since no scp etc.
13:20	weavejester	Really it should probably use a static java class that calls the Clojure code, but I haven't got around to writing that
13:20	TimMc	lein 1
13:20	billy_bodacious	weavejester: so how do i start to fix this?
13:22	billy_bodacious	weavejester: i can run lein repl and require it.. it even works fine with lein ring server
13:22	tieTYT2	hi weavejester: maybe you can help me with my issue: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16094439/is-it-possible-to-build-a-ring-webapp-in-an-already-existing-javaee-project
13:22	technomancy	ToBeReplaced: we don't want to remove scp for people who are currently using it
13:23	weavejester	billy_bodacious: I'd have to see the full error
13:23	technomancy	ToBeReplaced: but we could move it to an "advanced" section or something
13:24	weavejester	tieTYT2: No idea I'm afraid. I know servlets pretty well, but little beyond that in the Java web development stack.
13:24	tieTYT2	aw :( ok
13:26	tieTYT2	since I can't use compojure at work, I'm thinking of cheating and making a library called clojersey that converts compojure-like code into jersey resources
13:26	billy_bodacious	weavejester: http://pastebin.com/NBees1gW
13:28	weavejester	billy_bodacious: Hm, doesn't really have much useful information there… Have you tried a "lein clean"? Perhaps there's some old servlet class file screwing things up.
13:28	xeqi	technomancy: agreed re: demphasizing ssh key. want to make an issue?
13:28	billy_bodacious	weavejester: yes i have
13:30	weavejester	billy_bodacious: Hum, no idea what the issue is. It's strange that the NPE is triggered by the compiler… What does your project file look like?
13:32	billy_bodacious	weavejester: http://pastebin.com/Lemfxzqv
13:32	weavejester	billy_bodacious: There's no lein-ring plugin in that project file...
13:32	billy_bodacious	its in my global profile
13:33	billy_bodacious	does it need to be in the project file?
13:33	weavejester	billy_bodacious: Well, it's possible to put it in the global profile, but it doesn't make much sense to do so
13:34	weavejester	billy_bodacious: Presumably you've also put the lein-ring configuration for your project in your global profile as well?
13:34	billy_bodacious	weavejester: no additional configuration in there
13:35	weavejester	billy_bodacious: So where's your :ring {:handler my.app.blah/handler} ?
13:35	billy_bodacious	oh the last line got cutoff in the past
13:35	billy_bodacious	it's: :ring {:handler overdue-invoices.core/handler})
13:36	billy_bodacious	i added ring to the plugins but still got the same error
13:37	weavejester	billy_bodacious: You could try adding lein-ring to the project.clj file. I can't think why that would make a difference, but it's worth reducing the number of unusual elements.
13:37	weavejester	billy_bodacious: What version are you using? 0.8.3?
13:38	billy_bodacious	weavejester: yea
13:38	weavejester	Try removing it from your global profile and putting it in your project.clj.
13:39	billy_bodacious	just a second
13:40	billy_bodacious	same error
13:41	billy_bodacious	just doing lein compile overdue-invoices.core gives the same error, so i guess its not related to the ring plugin
13:41	weavejester	billy_bodacious: Ahh, that would explain things.
13:42	weavejester	Well, at least why lein-ring can't compile it
13:52	gdev	ToBeReplaced:) I'm working on a small clojure project that hits a relational database so I'll try out your jdbc-format library.
14:00	technomancy	xeqi: ah, you created it; thanks
14:03	ToBeReplaced	gdev: that would be cool! i'd appreciate the feedback
14:03	clojure-new	hello
14:03	clojure-new	,(pmap (fn [_] (println "Downloading ")) (range 3))
14:03	clojurebot	#<SecurityException java.lang.SecurityException: no threads please>
14:03	clojure-new	&(pmap (fn [_] (println "Downloading ")) (range 3))
14:03	lazybot	java.lang.SecurityException: You tripped the alarm! pmap is bad!
14:04	billy_bodacious	weavejester: i think i have fixed it, but now uberwar just seems to hang forver, it almost looks like its running my project..
14:04	rasmusto	lazybot: pmap isn't necessarily bad always
14:04	clojure-new	anyway, why does println in pman doesn't insert newlines like it does without pmap?
14:04	weavejester	billy_bodacious: One of your source files probably blocks when it's evaluated.
14:05	weavejester	billy_bodacious: When Clojure compiles things, it evaluates the whole namespace
14:05	clojure-new	it inserts it in random way.
14:05	clojure-new	for example
14:05	clojure-new	(pmap (fn [_] (println "a")) (range 3)) => aaa\n\n\n
14:05	clojure-new	or
14:05	clojure-new	(pmap (fn [_] (println "a")) (range 3)) => aa\na\n\n
14:06	clojure-new	how can i print something inside pmap?
14:06	Glenjamin	you probably need a thread-safe output stream of some sort
14:06	Glenjamin	why do you need to print in a pmap?
14:07	weavejester	clojure-new: pmap runs things from multiple threads. When multiple threads are writing to stdout, they can overlap.
14:07	clojure-new	weavejester: oh, i see, thanks.
14:07	clojure-new	Glenjamin: just info messages about how well my functions are doing their job.
14:08	jjido	trying to understand how it works maybe
14:08	clojure-new	is there any thread safe println in clojure?
14:08	weavejester	Not to my knowledge. Nor in Java. It's not something that people typically need.
14:09	Glenjamin	logging frameworks usually would be
14:09	jjido	logging
14:09	weavejester	Oh, that's true
14:09	Glenjamin	http://stackoverflow.com/questions/565893/best-practices-for-java-logging-from-multiple-threads
14:10	clojure-new	Glenjamin: thanks@
14:10	clojure-new	!
14:11	amalloy	haha guys, andy's tickets-needing-work email introduced me to a neat bug:
14:11	amalloy	&[do 1 2 3 4]
14:11	lazybot	⇒ 4
14:11	Glenjamin	i'm not very familiar with the clojure logging options, but that page describes the general idea
14:12	technomancy	whoa
14:12	Glenjamin	thats weird o.O
14:12	Glenjamin	i guess that's only with do?
14:12	technomancy	oh!
14:12	technomancy	because of the gilardi scenario workaround
14:12	technomancy	that's bonkers; I love it
14:12	amalloy	technomancy: what workaround?
14:13	technomancy	amalloy: the reason (do (require 'clojure.set) clojure.set/join) doesn't asplode
14:13	technomancy	do is special-cased by eval to split it apart and doseq over evaling each part individually
14:17	jjido	is this only in eval scenario ?
14:17	technomancy	jjido: yeah
14:18	technomancy	also only works with top-level do
14:26	TimMc	technomancy: But it doesn't need to work with sets and vectors, right?
14:26	technomancy	TimMc: yeah, looks like that's accidental
14:27	TimMc	&#{(println "of") do (do :z/h283r (println "order")) (do :b121 (println "out"))} ;; amalloy
14:27	lazybot	⇒ out of order nil
14:27	TimMc	(keywords are there to make the hashes order properly)
14:28	technomancy	hah; nicely done
14:33	TimMc	&(let [_ :_] #{[-1] [[1]] do}) ;; and you're right, it's onlt at the top level
14:33	lazybot	java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: do in this context
14:33	TimMc	&'(let [_ :_] #{[-1] [[1]] do})
14:33	lazybot	⇒ (let [_ :_] #{do [-1] [[1]]})
14:34	Raynes	tpope: Pingsies.
14:36	TimMc	Wow, the Conj is going to be in DC!
14:36	TimMc	Freaking finally.
14:37	Raynes	DC scares me.
14:37	Raynes	I don't like things that are both not a country and not a US state at the same time.
14:37	TimMc	Like Puerto Rico?
14:37	mynomoto	what's the best way to setup autotests in clojure? I'm using inotify with 'lein test' but it's slow.
14:37	TimMc	How about Antarctica?
14:38	mefesto	lol
14:38	mefesto	what a funny discussion to drop in on
14:39	technomancy	mynomoto: most people do it from within the editor/ide
14:39	technomancy	in emacs you can hook up an after-save-hook
14:40	mynomoto	technomancy: but the hook will call 'lein test'?
14:41	technomancy	mynomoto: no, you'd trigger it over nrepl
14:41	technomancy	so it doesn't have to start a new JVM
14:41	technomancy	mynomoto: the biggest problem is there's no way to reliably tell given a changed file which tests need to run
14:42	technomancy	(which is not in any way specific to clojure)
14:42	mynomoto	technomancy: but it reloads every file to rerun the tests?
14:44	technomancy	mynomoto: it's up to you; you can write the hook however you like
14:45	technomancy	typically you'd try to determine a test namespace; load it with :reload-all, and run its tests
14:46	wjlroe	If a library depends on an old clojure in its project.clj, and you depend on it - do you have to specify a exclusion for that dep in your project so as to use the version of clojure you want?
14:47	mynomoto	technomancy: thanks, I will try that.
14:54	technomancy	wjlroe: unless a dependency defines a version range you will be fine
14:54	technomancy	wjlroe: if you're having trouble figuring out what's going on, the lein-pedantic plugin is helpful there
14:55	wjlroe	technomancy: oh ok brilliant. It just so happens I'm using quickbeam in something
14:55	technomancy	wjlroe: oh dear... that was a rather hurried hack =)
14:55	technomancy	don't set your expectations too high
14:56	wjlroe	technomancy: it seems to be the only clojure lib for accessing git though - but it's simple enough to extend it to support more of JGit, my needs are modest anyway, just want listing branches/tags and reading files in different branches like that
14:57	technomancy	there's another one IIRC
14:57	technomancy	which has had more than 2 hours of work put into it =)
14:57	technomancy	but happy to take pull requests if you'd like to extend it further
14:58	wjlroe	the problem of googling for "clojure git" is that the results are utterly meaningless :)
15:00	wjlroe	oh ok just found https://github.com/clj-jgit/clj-jgit
15:05	jweiss	i have a forward declaration in my namespace. trying to compile it fails (as expected), but (require 'my-ns) works, even on a fresh repl
15:05	jweiss	oh wait, i get it
15:05	jweiss	it bails out of the forward decl the first time but the 2nd time it exists
15:06	jweiss	no.. wait, it still couldn't evaluate the thing that it is missing
15:06	SegFaultAX	This is way offtopic, but I have to share it: http://boingboing.net/2013/04/18/what-happens-when-you-wring-ou.html
15:07	jweiss	how is it nrepl-compiling fails but require works
15:07	jweiss	it partially loaded it the first time so require thinks nothing more needs to be done?
15:11	ppppaul	i love memoize
15:14	tpope	Raynes: sup
15:16	gdev	Raynes:) Reply from tpope: bytes=32 time=3 hours TTL=4ever
15:18	tpope	I am replying to his ping from less than an hour ago
15:18	tpope	but thanks peanut gallery
15:25	gdev	tpope:) it was just a joke, no need to go and insult the whole gallery like that
15:35	antares_	Welle 1.5 is released: http://blog.clojurewerkz.org/blog/2013/04/19/welle-1-dot-5-0-is-released/
15:46	mefesto	clojurescript is so cool :)
15:47	mefesto	do most people stick with the gclosure libs or use jquery and other things with cljs?
15:48	mefesto	obviously you could do either but im just wanted to get a feel for what the pros are doing
15:48	mpenet	mefesto: a bit of both, some use angular too, there is no rule really
15:48	mpenet	closure is easy to reach, there is that.
15:48	mefesto	mpenet: any best practices emerging yet that you know of?
15:49	mpenet	I don't think so.
15:49	mpenet	there are some "neutral" libs that are good in any context I think, such as hiccup like templating and stuff like that
15:50	mpenet	but this is very subjective, some prefer other ways
15:59	mynomoto	Someone know why this does't work? (clojure.java.shell/sh "inotifywait -qq -r -e modify,moved_to,create src test")
15:59	tgoossens	I don't know how rich hickey manages it but for a month now i've been experimenting with static methods all in my project (annoying a lot of people of my team). And by now i get the feeling that after all it is still a bad idea to use static methods frequently
15:59	asteve	(map symbol ["?value_id" "?value_ts" "?timestamp"]); I need the result to ?value_id ?value_ts ?timestamp
15:59	asteve	but map symbol … returns a list with the symbols
16:01	lynaghk	mynomoto: you need to pass each argument as a separate string: (clojure.java.shell/sh "inotifywait" "-qq" "-r" ...)
16:02	mynomoto	lynaghk: Ok, thank you. I will try.
16:03	weavejester	Does anyone happen to know if a "unchecked" macro exists that substitutes forms like (+ 1 1) for (unchecked-add 1 1)?
16:04	mynomoto	lynaghk: It works. Do you know why can't be just a string?
16:05	asteve	how can I, given a vector, return each element separated by a space but not in a list or vector?
16:05	asteve	["a" "b" "c"] becomes a b c
16:05	lynaghk	mynomoto: because you are passing a bunch of different arguments to a command. Typically your shell (i.e., bash) will split everything up for you automatically, but in this case you're not going through bash so you need to split the args apart yourself
16:06	lynaghk	mynomoto: that's my understanding, anyway. I'm not a big unix hacker =)
16:06	joegallo	asteve: in a string? or in a code form?
16:06	asteve	code form
16:06	asteve	in this case a b c are symbols
16:06	joegallo	~@
16:06	clojurebot	@ is what
16:06	joegallo	heh
16:07	asteve	joegallo: that is only if they're quoted?
16:07	TimMc	clojurebot: forget what \|is\| @
16:07	clojurebot	I forgot that what is @
16:07	TimMc	~@
16:07	clojurebot	@ is like the macro version of apply
16:07	joegallo	neat
16:07	joegallo	asteve: i don't understand the question
16:08	joegallo	you can magic up a list of things, manipulate the crap out of them, and then ~@ them in
16:08	joegallo	if you're not in a quoted context, then i'm afraid i don't understand what you're doing at all -- perhaps a gist or something might help
16:08	asteve	joegallo: are you familiar with cascalog?
16:09	joegallo	no, i'm not
16:09	weavejester	Hm, actually unchecked math doesn't seem to have a huge speedup. I won't bother with it until I really need it.
16:09	mynomoto	lynaghk: I'm not either, just curious. Thanks.
16:10	TimMc	asteve: Are you writing a macro?
16:10	asteve	I have a vector containing strings that I need to convert to symbols and then splice them into a function; (func-name [] (call-other-func "something here") (mapv symbol ["?a" "?b" "?c"]))
16:10	asteve	TimMc: I know of it but not well enough to use it
16:11	TimMc	"splice them into a function" sounds like syntax generation (macros)
16:13	llasram	asteve: I use Cascalog frequently. What's your goal in Cascalog terms?
16:13	joegallo	,(apply + [1 2 3])
16:13	clojurebot	6
16:13	joegallo	(+ 1 2 3)
16:13	clojurebot	suffusion of yellow
16:13	joegallo	,(+ 1 2 3)
16:13	clojurebot	6
16:13	joegallo	if it's just a function, then why can't you use apply?
16:14	llasram	asteve: There's also #cascalog, although in my experience it is infrequently populated
16:14	asteve	llasram: heh, to understand how a project that is written in a very poor manner is currently working; it's very simple, I want to read in 3 fields from a file and spit them out into another file but use the proper aggr queries
16:14	llasram	Speaking of...
16:14	asteve	llasram: I've been asking in there and that brought me here to solve the vector -> splice problem
16:14	asteve	which may be the completely wrong way to do everything
16:16	lynaghk	mynomoto: no worries
16:16	llasram	asteve: Yeah, I'm afraid I'm not quite following. You have a text file input, and you want to parse three fields out of it, to then deal with as their query variables w/in a query?
16:16	asteve	llasram: here's the pastie http://pastie.org/7665272
16:17	asteve	I believe the reason it does not work is because (map symbol ["?blah..) is returning (?value_id ?value_ts…) not ?value_id ?value_ts
16:18	llasram	Well, no
16:18	llasram	So, there's two things going on
16:19	llasram	It's kind of confusing, but in places where you need to use generated field names, you use strings, not Clojure symbols
16:19	llasram	So you could do e.g.: (let [outfields ["?a" "?b"]] (<- outfields <rest of query>))
16:20	llasram	The bigger issue: why do you need generated field names?
16:20	SegFaultAX	What does <- do?
16:20	asteve	create a cascalog query
16:20	llasram	SegFaultAX: It's part of the Cascalog API. It generates a query
16:20	SegFaultAX	Ah.
16:21	asteve	llasram: I need generated field names because the actual code builds these dynamically and mk-values-view is a macro
16:23	llasram	asteve: Well. Two approaches. (a) You don't actually need a macro, because you can programatically construct almost any query just using what Cascalog provides. For this approach, You solve your "I need `?a ?b`, not `(?a ?b)`" problem by using a sequence of strings to replace the field list, not inside the field list
16:24	llasram	asteve: (b) If you really need a macro, it sounds like you want quote-splice: ~@
16:24	TimMc	splicing-unquote
16:24	llasram	,(let [x '[a b c]] `(example ~@x))
16:25	clojurebot	(sandbox/example a b c)
16:25	llasram	TimMc: Right
16:25	llasram	What he said, name-wise
16:25	gfredericks	,'~@foo
16:25	clojurebot	(clojure.core/unquote-splicing foo)
16:25	TimMc	,'~@_
16:25	clojurebot	(clojure.core/unquote-splicing _)
16:25	asteve	well the good news is ~@ does not fix the source tap error
16:25	TimMc	:-(
16:25	asteve	so that means the problem is somewhere else
16:25	llasram	asteve: Wait
16:26	llasram	asteve: So, you're trying to pass `mk-values-view` directly to `?-`, but in your pastie, that's a function, not a query
16:32	jweiss	i am getting 'cant recur from non tail position' on line 15, but i can't figure out how it is NOT in the tail position. https://www.refheap.com/paste/13778
16:33	dnolen__	jweiss: you put a recur in a doseq
16:33	llasram	jweiss: Check what `doseq` expands to. Probably wouldn't do what you wanted, even if it complied
16:34	jweiss	ah yes, the doseq still has to be evaluated even though it returns nil
16:34	asteve	llasram: http://pastie.org/7666703 am I doing something stupid here?
16:35	jweiss	ok... so what am i missing here, i want to do tail recursion and i am keeping track of the stack myself so that should be possible
16:37	llasram	asteve: Your macro is splicing the `outargs` symbols into the body of the query, where the Cascalog `<-` macro expects sequences
16:37	llasram	asteve: Sorry, not the `outargs` splicing -- the second use
16:37	asteve	llasram: the strange thing is that `(<- [~@outargs] was taken directly from the working code
16:38	llasram	Yeah, that part is "fine"
16:38	asteve	right, ok :)
16:38	llasram	But I will reiterate -- there's probably no reason to use a macro here
16:39	asteve	you are most certainly right, I really need to understand the running code before I recreate it
16:39	llasram	gotcha
16:39	amalloy	jweiss: not related to your question, but the if on line 13 will always be truthy
16:39	Raynes	tpope: Ohai.
16:40	Raynes	tpope: I was going to ask if there is a way to change how fireplace invokes lein but then I realized I was dumb and that it doesn't.
16:40	jweiss	amalloy: yeah i noticed that, should be (seq fields-to-create) right
16:41	jweiss	let's see i guess i have to pass a list of entites to create instead of just one
16:41	Raynes	tpope: Other thing was I just wanted to say grrrrr about https://github.com/tpope/vim-fireplace/issues/48#issuecomment-16643219, though I'm sure you've already seen it and are entirely baffled.
16:43	tpope	Raynes: vim can be ... unpredictable when it comes to redrawing the screen
16:43	Raynes	Heh
16:43	tpope	Raynes: but the location list shouldn't be auto-opening anymore
16:43	Raynes	As of when? I have the latest.
16:44	asteve	llasram: ok, this is enough for the week; thank you for your help
16:44	llasram	asteve: np. good luck sorting it out
16:44	tpope	well I'll be
16:45	tpope	maybe I forgot to push or something
16:46	tpope	but that was well before the rename
17:03	stuartsierra	Is Nicolo Mometto here?
17:03	stuartsierra	* Nicola Mometto
17:07	stuartsierra	Bronsa: hello?
17:08	Bronsa	stuartsierra: yes?
17:08	stuartsierra	Hi
17:08	Bronsa	hi =)
17:09	stuartsierra	Bronsa: I'm working on Clojure Hudson releases.
17:09	Bronsa	yeah, I saw that on github
17:09	stuartsierra	You were trying to release tools.reader 0.7.4 earlier right?
17:10	Bronsa	last I tried was a few days
17:10	Bronsa	ago*
17:10	Bronsa	but yeah
17:10	stuartsierra	I've nearly got Hudson reconfigured. With your permission, I'd like to use tools.reader as my test case.
17:10	Bronsa	sure.
17:10	stuartsierra	OK.
17:11	stuartsierra	I'll push some minor updates to the pom.xml file, then edit the Hudson config & try to release it.
17:11	Bronsa	right, do whatever you need
17:11	Raynes	tpope: Looks like it fixed my issue as well.
17:11	tpope	perfect
17:12	Raynes	tpope: Is there a leader command or something for :%Eval?
17:12	Raynes	I hate having to define those things. I never know what to use. Always stepping on something's toes. :p
17:12	tpope	Raynes: no, but cpr does (require ... :reload)
17:12	Raynes	Oh, I see.
17:14	Raynes	tpope: Is the namespace the same as the file I'm in?
17:14	tpope	Raynes: it looks for a ns declaration
17:14	Raynes	Man, that's a terrible nickname, namespace. You're going to get soooooooooooo many spurious pings.
17:15	stuartsierra	Bronsa: Here it goes...
17:15	Raynes	tpope: This is all very amazing, what you've done here. It's like you have a perversely vast knowledge of viml that borders on mental illness or something.
17:15	TimMc	(Raynes org.timmc.thing (:require [clojure.string :as str]))
17:15	TimMc	oh, sorry about that
17:15	TimMc	It's my new Clojure variant.
17:16	tpope	no bordering about it
17:17	hyPiRion	TimMc: What kind of class is Raynes?
17:17	Bronsa	stuartsierra: damn :/
17:17	hyPiRion	Or was the outher paren a non-language paren?
17:18	stuartsierra	Bronsa: The weird part is, it worked.
17:18	Bronsa	mh.
17:18	stuartsierra	There's just some failure in parsing the response from Nexus.
17:18	Bronsa	oh.
17:19	stuartsierra	I'm going to try upgrading the plugin.
17:19	Bronsa	stuartsierra: that might be a problem though, since clojure-build didn't bump pom.xml & git tag'ed
17:19	stuartsierra	yeah
17:20	stuartsierra	So now we have a release of tools.reader 0.7.4 in a repository but no tag in Git.
17:20	stuartsierra	I can log in to the Hudson server and fix this manually.
17:22	Raynes	tpope: God, Tim. "I wish I had Clojure interaction in Vim. Oh, there's something by Tim Pope. Hmm, sure wish I had git integ… oh, Tim. Well, I could use some markdown highl OH COME ON."
17:23	technomancy	Raynes: that's why they let him wear the big hat
17:23	amalloy	quick, Raynes, ask for a pony
17:23	Raynes	That sure is a good looking hat.
17:25	tpope	Raynes: that's not entirely unlike my interior monologue
17:26	Raynes	Staging individual hunks confuses me though.
17:26	tpope	it's a bit awkward
17:26	tpope	I still do git add -p a lot
17:26	Raynes	tpope: In Emacs's magit, I can stage a specific region (highlighted with my mouse).
17:27	Raynes	With this I can only stage the entire hunks.
17:27	Raynes	As far as I can discern anyways.
17:27	tpope	Raynes: after highlighting you can do :diffput
17:27	technomancy	Raynes: there's a darcs mode that lets you edit in the status buffer so you can stage stuff that's never actually existed on disk
17:27	technomancy	it's kinda bonkers
17:27	Raynes	tpope: Really? I thought I tried that.
17:27	technomancy	actually I think gitsum does that too
17:27	tpope	you can do that with fugitive too
17:27	tpope	edit the stage directly
17:27	Raynes	I can edit the stage?
17:27	Raynes	See, it'd help if I understood how git works.
17:27	Bronsa	stuartsierra: thanks
17:27	stuartsierra	Bronsa: OK, I've manually pushed the tags and master branch to tools.reader.
17:28	Bronsa	heh.
17:28	tpope	Raynes: yeah, if you switch to the diff buffer, you can edit it
17:28	tpope	and writing it writes to the index
17:28	stuartsierra	Now back to work on making this work.
17:28	technomancy	brings me back: http://chneukirchen.org/blog/archive/2008/02/introducing-gitsum.html
17:29	Raynes	tpope: So :Gdiff and then edit the one on the left?
17:29	tpope	yep
17:29	Raynes	Nice.
17:29	tpope	or just :Gsplit or whatever if you don't want that painful diff highlighting
17:31	amalloy	technomancy: bonkers? it's not terribly hard to stage stuff that never existed on disk, using just the git command-line
17:32	technomancy	amalloy: bonkers that the tool goes out of its way to support it
17:32	amalloy	it's useful! manually editing hunks is handy
17:42	Raynes	technomancy: amalloy has taken git commit trees and turned them into art. He has broken it down to a science. We sometimes print his network graphs and display them on the wall.
17:42	amalloy	cool, another item for my collection of Things That Never Happened
17:44	weavejester	Are we talking more sophisticated than "git add -p"?
17:45	weavejester	Because that's about as magical as I get :)
17:46	amalloy	weavejester: well, i was talking about selecting the 'e' option for a hunk with git-add -p
17:46	Raynes	weavejester: He can rebase a tree onto mars without killing it.
17:46	Raynes	They're planning to let him terraform it with this method.
17:46	amalloy	hahaha
17:47	technomancy	rebase onto the two trees of valinor
17:48	Raynes	Whoosh.
17:49	Raynes	I can't talk to technomancy for longer than 3 references or I start to feel inadequate.
17:49	amalloy	but Raynes, with http://xkcd.com/903/ you can sound just as smart as he does
17:49	technomancy	onto the white tree of Gondor?
17:50	Glenjamin	'e' in git-add -p is mental
17:50	Raynes	Well, I've seen the Lord of the Rings movies.
17:50	Raynes	I couldn't get past the first chapter of the first book in that series.
17:50	Raynes	Felt like reading the bible.
17:50	Derander_	rebase on to the world tree.
17:50	technomancy	did you start with the Silmarillion?
17:51	Raynes	Lord of the Rings novels.
17:51	amalloy	Raynes: i found the hobbit a lot more approachable than the LotR series proper
17:51	Derander_	the Silmarillion is literally the bible
17:51	Raynes	I was thinking of reading that at some point.
17:51	technomancy	Raynes: you can cheat with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightfall_in_Middle-Earth
17:51	technomancy	(which is absolutely amazing btw)
17:51	hyPiRion	Raynes: Silmarillion is the only book I've stopped reading because it was too dense
17:51	callen	Raynes: the LOTR books are boring.
17:51	callen	Raynes: the Hobbit is okay.
17:51	Raynes	callen: That's what I gathered from the first LOTR book.
17:52	Raynes	I wanted to like it because I liked the movie.
17:52	Glenjamin	there was a really interesting article on Christopher Tolkien recently
17:52	Raynes	But I would fall asleep if I tried to read it.
17:52	hyPiRion	Raynes: Great, now you know what to do when you can't get to sleep
17:52	technomancy	Nightfall on Middle Earth is like a tl;dr for people who couldn't even sit through the films.
17:52	Glenjamin	http://badassdigest.com/2013/01/09/why-jrr-tolkiens-son-hates-what-peter-jackson-has-done/
17:53	Glenjamin	Tolkien's son has spent his life trying to guess what his dad would have written, and then writing that
17:54	callen	Glenjamin: Christopher is just mad that he's not a real writer like his father or someone capable of propagating his father's work to millions like Jackson :P
17:54	technomancy	callen: wait, isn't that Brian Herbert?
17:54	callen	technomancy: no that's the case there too, but it wasn't really his writing.
17:55	callen	technomancy: Herbert was working with KA I thought.
17:55	tieTYT2	has anyone ever used the clojure-maven plugin? I'm getting this error: Exception in thread "main" java.io.FileNotFoundException: Could not locate foo/poc__init.class or foo/poc.clj on classpath: What is causing this? It's obviously finding something or else it wouldn't have reported this path in the exception
17:55	callen	technomancy: also the writing in the Brian novels was killing me, but I wanted to know more so badly I stomached it.
17:55	noprompt	john lennon's son has the same problem.
17:55	Glenjamin	bah, just read the FAQ and discovered i've been pronoucing leiningen all wrong
17:55	Raynes	No, nobody in the history of Clojure has ever used the clojure-maven plugin.
17:55	technomancy	callen: I had to take a break from Dune for like seven years before I could go back to the original and actually enjoy it
17:56	tieTYT2	Raynes: :P Do you know what i'm getting that exception?
17:56	Glenjamin	you have a require, but not a file
17:56	tieTYT2	i don't have a require
17:56	tieTYT2	i only have one file called poc.clj
17:57	tieTYT2	here are its contents: (ns foo.poc) (defn f [x] (println fn))
17:57	Glenjamin	well something is trying to require foo.poc
17:57	callen	technomancy: I've been thinking about rereading the original but after like 10,000 pages of Dune I don't think my soul can take it.
17:57	Glenjamin	is it in a folder called foo?
17:57	tieTYT2	yes
17:57	callen	technomancy: also have you seen clojure-control?
17:57	Glenjamin	then i've reached my limit of helpfullness in this case i'm afraid
17:57	callen	technomancy: I've been tinkering with it. Neat stuff. Handy for provisioning machines.
17:57	technomancy	callen: I don't believe I have
17:58	tieTYT2	:T thanks anyway
17:58	Glenjamin	tieTYT2: try lein classpath
17:58	Glenjamin	and see if foo/poc.clj is valid in any of the paths listed
17:58	Glenjamin	if not, thats the problem
17:58	callen	technomancy: well. take a look. I'd love to hear what somebody else that does dev-ops has to say.
17:59	tieTYT2	ohh there's a compile error
17:59	tieTYT2	i should have said: (defn f [x] (println f))
17:59	tieTYT2	but I said (defn f [x] (println fn))
17:59	technomancy	callen: I don't really do dev-ops actually
17:59	callen	technomancy: really?
17:59	callen	technomancy: well take a look anyway. '(please)
17:59	technomancy	callen: syme is about the extent of how I provision machines
18:00	Glenjamin	is the current leiningen profile available to the running process?
18:01	Glenjamin	eg. when I do with-profile production, how do I check that in my app?
18:01	amalloy	Glenjamin: no
18:03	TimMc	hyPiRion: No, he's a compiler special.
18:04	technomancy	Glenjamin: typically you'd place a key in the environment or on the classpath
18:04	technomancy	using environ or carica
18:04	Glenjamin	ah ok, so PROD=1 lein with-profile production ...
18:04	technomancy	Glenjamin: no, environ lets you put env vars in your profile
18:05	Glenjamin	aha, i see
18:05	Glenjamin	right, makes sense now
18:05	Glenjamin	cheers
18:06	hyPiRion	TimMc: ah I see
18:18	papachan	is there a library in clojure to parse json files?
18:19	dakrone	papachan: there are two, https://github.com/dakrone/cheshire and https://github.com/clojure/data.json
18:20	papachan	dakrone: oh thank you.
18:23	amalloy	just two!?
18:24	amalloy	there are like ninety
18:24	amalloy	but i don't think anyone uses clj-json anymore
18:38	tieTYT2	is there a way to define annotations on a gen-class?
18:39	tieTYT2	this says no, but it was answered in 2011: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7703467/attaching-metadata-to-a-clojure-gen-class
18:39	hiredman	the one answer is really horrible
18:40	hiredman	like "I don't know clojure and I will cobble together something by cutting and pasting in to the browser's input box" bad
18:41	hiredman	(ns genclass.example (:gen-class ^{:doc "example class"})) is just not valid in anyway
18:41	tieTYT2	ok well can you help me?
18:41	hiredman	so certainly not a test case for gen-class supporting annotations
18:41	tieTYT2	i might ask the question again just so the answer is more up to date
18:42	hiredman	that answer is not out of date
18:42	hiredman	it is just flat out complete nonsense
18:42	hiredman	"not even wrong"
18:43	hiredman	https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/clojure/3q17KuyGsic has some example code annotating a gen-classed class
18:44	tieTYT2	thank you
18:44	hiredman	but that mailing list post is out of date, you can now also annotate constructors
18:44	amalloy	aw, hiredman, that answer isn't wrong. he says a number of true things, of the form: "i don't know how to answer your question, but here is some code that doesn't compile"
18:45	hiredman	(I think I wrote that patch)
18:45	hiredman	amalloy: right, not even wrong
18:46	tieTYT2	oh waht I was asking about is annotations on the class it generates, not the methods
18:46	tieTYT2	is that possible?
18:47	cemerick	are people using .edn for explicit data files these days?
18:48	hiredman	tieTYT2: doesn't look like it
18:48	tieTYT2	hiredman: what about this: https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/test/clojure/test_clojure/genclass/examples.clj
18:48	tieTYT2	is that what the clojure.test_clojure.genclass.examples.ExampleAnnotationClass is doing?
18:48	hiredman	cemerick: I recently changed a data file in our codebase to .edn because we have a test that complains .clj files have lines over 80 characters
18:49	cemerick	hiredman: yeah, similar reason for my asking
18:49	Raynes	cemerick: You can use .titties. Clojure doesn't care.
18:50	cemerick	I know, just wondering if it's breached into "common practice" for some definition.
18:50	hiredman	tieTYT2: that does look like it, I dunno, try it, I was skimming the gen-class source so maybe I missed it
18:50	cemerick	Raynes: .titties?!
18:50	cemerick	Man, a few weeks in LA, and it's all downhill :-P
18:51	Raynes	Two and a half months, man.
18:51	gdev	some guy is going to be googling for titties in a week and this log is going to show up in his search results and blow his mind
18:51	amalloy	we haven't seen him for days, cemerick. he's just been "working" on his laptop from a strip club
18:52	tieTYT2	hiredman: eyah it works, nice
18:54	cemerick	amalloy: that's what I figure
18:54	cemerick	Raynes: Sorry, wasn't tracking your calendar closely
18:55	Raynes	cemerick, amalloy: The twist is that the strip club is the office and amalloy is the one stripping.
18:55	amalloy	wat
18:55	cemerick	whoa
18:55	cemerick	Now I need to drink.
18:56	filippobo	Hey guys, s it possible to create a "assoc-in!"
18:56	namespace	How do I print a range of characters from a string?
18:56	filippobo	?
18:56	namespace	Like say I had the string "Hello" being able to print characters 1 through 3
18:57	filippobo	range by index?
18:57	namespace	(Keeping in mind that strings are zero indexed.)
18:57	Bronsa	use subs and then println
18:58	namespace	Sub?
18:58	callen	filippobo: sure why not
18:58	Bronsa	,(subs "hello" 1 4)
18:58	clojurebot	"ell"
18:58	namespace	callen: Thank you.
18:59	SexyTattoos96	im looking for someone to help me with my website
18:59	gdev	,(.substrnig "hello" 0 4)
18:59	clojurebot	#<IllegalArgumentException java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No matching method found: substrnig for class java.lang.String>
19:00	gdev	,(.substring "hello" 0 4)
19:00	clojurebot	"hell"
19:01	filippobo	callen: I tried adapting the implementation of assoc-in using assoc! https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/c6756a8bab137128c8119add29a25b0a88509900/src/clj/clojure/core.clj#L5565
19:01	callen	filippobo: why?
19:01	filippobo	but I get Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.PersistentVector$TransientVector cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IPersistentCollection
19:01	filippobo	because there is no assoc-in! :-)
19:17	Foxboron	Helluw. So i am messing with lein-daemon, it dosnt start and i get a Nullpointer exception in the log file. Anyone able to help?
19:30	amalloy	~helpme
19:30	clojurebot	A bug report (or other request for help) has three parts: What you did; what you expected to happen; what happened instead. If any of those three are missing, it's awfully hard to help you.
20:07	tieTYT2	oh i figured out that filenotfound issue I had before
20:07	tieTYT2	stupid intellij creates dashes as dashes in filenames
20:17	tieTYT2	is there a way to define a gen-class' methods step by step or outside of the gen-class call?
20:17	tieTYT2	i can't figure out a way to do that
20:19	tieTYT2	what I want to do is have a compojure-like api that generates a java jersey class. But I can't figure out how to make (GET "mypath") create a method named -mypath and a method signature named "mypath" inside the gen-class from one call
20:20	namespace	Okay, I get an unbounded function error with this code for fpunct.
20:20	namespace	http://pastebin.com/Wfk6wWcM
20:21	namespace	Sample input:
20:21	namespace	http://pastebin.com/gTbm49yj
21:05	mynomoto	namespace: what's the error message?
21:14	namespace	mynomoto: IllegalStateException Attempting to call unbound fn: #'user/fpunct
21:19	mynomoto	namespace: is that when you try to call the funcion?
21:19	namespace	Yes.
21:19	namespace	In any context.
21:22	mynomoto	namespace: example of call please.
21:39	n_b	How bad would having a git submodule in your lein checkouts folder be on a scale of "really" to "not even once"?
21:41	namespace	mynomoto: (fpunct "Hello my name is bob, how are you? In other news I finished the program. This is a filler statement between the next question! I'm the next question?" 0 1)
21:42	namespace	It's really not a big deal anymore, I ended up doing it in python.
22:08	technomancy	n_b: if you adjust your expectations it could be somewhat reasonable
22:20	rasmusto	tpope: There are probably all sorts of problems with this: https://gist.github.com/rasmusto/5424432 but it seems to let me :Gedit some old rev and cpp functions. It probably breaks on windows and if filenames change around in git history
22:58	amalloy	namespace: i think the only time you can get that exception is some kind of java-interop scenario, where you're using a java "main" program to call into your clojure function without first require'ing the file it's defined in
23:41	robear1	i have a clojurescript question. it relates to the js->clj function. if i don't pass :keywordize-keys true as an option, the function works fine. if i add that option, i get an error - clojure.lang is undefined - var map__10179__10181 = cljs.core.seq_QMARK_.call(null, map__10179__10180) ? clojure.lang.PersistentHashMap.create.call(null, cljs.core.seq.call(null, map__10179__10180)) : map__10179__10180;
23:41	robear1	any idea where i should look to figure out what is going on?
23:48	tieTYT	in a precondition, what's the most concise way to check that an argument is not null?
23:50	tieTYT	i think this works: {:pre [(x)]}
23:51	capcrunch	tieTYT what that does means ?
23:51	tieTYT	oops, I mean this: {:pre [x]}