#clojure – 2012-10-11

2012-10-11

00:05	AtKaaZ	##((juxt name symbol) 'a)
00:05	lazybot	⇒ ["a" a]
00:07	ivan	&(apply str (repeat 10 "\uFFFF"))
00:07	lazybot	â‡’ "ï¿¿ï¿¿ï¿¿ï¿¿ï¿¿ï¿¿ï¿¿ï¿¿ï¿¿ï¿¿"
00:08	AtKaaZ	,(.length (str (macroexpand '((juxt namespace symbol) `'`'`'`a))))
00:08	clojurebot	333
00:09	AtKaaZ	,(* 2 (.length (str (flatten (macroexpand '((juxt namespace symbol) `'`'`'`a))))))
00:09	clojurebot	58
00:10	AtKaaZ	,(* 2 (.length (str (macroexpand '((juxt namespace symbol) `'`'`'`a)))))
00:10	clojurebot	666
00:14	wingy	im reading about interactive development using nrepl
00:14	wingy	"Immutant provides two methods for connecting to an application's runtime with a REPL: Swank (for emacs & possibly vim if you are feeling adventurous) and nREPL (for any nREPL client)."
00:14	wingy	what does Immutant means?
00:17	muhoo	it's a project
00:18	muhoo	,google immutant
00:18	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: google in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
00:18	AtKaaZ	$google immutant
00:18	lazybot	[Immutant \| Home] http://immutant.org/
00:18	muhoo	clojurebot: google immutant
00:18	clojurebot	First, out of 1760 results is:
00:18	clojurebot	Immutant \| Home
00:18	clojurebot	http://immutant.org/
00:29	wingy	after reading this https://github.com/clojure/tools.nrepl i still dont get how to connect to a remote nrepl instance
00:32	AtKaaZ	wingy, like: lein repl :connect nrepl://localhost:50821
00:32	AtKaaZ	in my case that's the url for the ccw/eclipse started one
00:33	Sgeo	Can nREPL servers be password protected?
00:33	wingy	AtKaaZ: cool it worked
00:33	wingy	where did you get that info?
00:34	AtKaaZ	wingy, I remembered it from a video, not sure but maybe it was chas emerick
00:34	AtKaaZ	in this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVd4ow-ZcX0
00:35	wingy	AtKaaZ: lein help repl
00:35	wingy	ill watch it now :)
00:35	wingy	i love your video recommendations
00:35	wingy	wow 1.30 h :)
00:36	AtKaaZ	ikr, I'm only at 28min :)
00:36	wingy	we should watch a video together some time
00:36	wingy	so we can live discuss :)
00:36	wingy	i watched movies with my pal like that many times :)
00:37	AtKaaZ	I usually have a few open and paused , do other stuff and randomly continue
00:37	wingy	yeah
00:37	AtKaaZ	wingy, it talks about your :join false which I saw earlier recommended for you, at about minute 28 in the video
00:38	wingy	cool
01:46	uvtc	,(str/replace "score is 22" #"(\d+)" #(str "1" %1))
01:46	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: No such namespace: str, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
01:46	uvtc	,(clojure.string/replace "score is 22" #"(\d+)" #(str "1" %1))
01:46	clojurebot	"score is 1[\"22\" \"22\"]"
01:46	uvtc	How can I get "score is 122"? ^^
01:47	uvtc	I want to take the whole thing that matched the regex, then (str "1" whole-thing).
01:51	ivan	,(clojure.string/replace "score is 22" #"(\d+)" "1$1")
01:51	clojurebot	"score is 122"
01:52	ivan	,(clojure.string/replace "score is 22" #"(\d+)" #(str "1" (first %1)))
01:52	clojurebot	"score is 122"
01:53	uvtc	Thanks, ivan. But why is that `first` call required there?
01:53	ivan	,(clojure.string/replace "score is 22" #"\d+" #(str "1" %1))
01:53	clojurebot	"score is 122"
01:53	AtKaaZ	,(clojure.string/replace "score is 22" #"(\d+)" #(when-let [[x] %] (str "1" x) ))
01:53	clojurebot	"score is 122"
01:53	ivan	something to do with matching groups giving you a vector
01:54	ivan	you have a matching group, and a "whole match" (in my vague non-understanding)
01:54	uvtc	Ah, didn't see that if you left out parens, the whole match is $1
01:54	uvtc	Thanks, ivan!
01:55	uvtc	Oh wait I'm wrong there.
01:55	uvtc	,(str/replace "score is 22" #"\d+" "1$1")
01:55	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: No such namespace: str, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
01:55	wei_	how do you traverse a list with an atom that represents the current item? for example, I'm displaying one image in a list of images, and i want to be able to get the next or previous image.
01:55	AtKaaZ	,(clojure.string/replace "score is 22" #"(\d+)" #(println %&))
01:55	clojurebot	([22 22])
01:55	clojurebot	#<NullPointerException java.lang.NullPointerException>
01:56	uvtc	AtKaaZ: Wait ... $% vs. %& ...
01:57	AtKaaZ	uvtc, I was only showing what the param(s) are to that function it's that [22 22] vector
01:57	AtKaaZ	aka 1 param
01:57	AtKaaZ	but it is due to the grouping parens near the (\d+) right?
01:57	uvtc	AtKaaZ: Oh, right. Forgot about %& in literal function syntax.
01:59	uvtc	Seems like it would be handy if "$&" meant "the whole match"...
02:00	amalloy	uvtc: $0, i think
02:00	AtKaaZ	,(clojure.string/replace "score is 22 33" #"(\d+)" "1$0")
02:00	clojurebot	"score is 122 133"
02:00	uvtc	Holy malloy! Avast!
02:00	uvtc	Thanks, amalloy, that's it. :)
02:00	amalloy	it would be pretty silly for clojure's & notation to sneak into java's regex replacer :P
02:01	AtKaaZ	,(clojure.string/replace "score is 22 33" #"(\d+)" "1$1")
02:01	clojurebot	"score is 122 133"
02:02	AtKaaZ	wish I knew the answer to wei_ 's question
02:02	wei_	thanks AtKaaz
02:02	wei_	I was beginning to wonder whether it was too newb a question
02:03	Sgeo	wei_, maybe two lists, with the head of one of them representing the current item?
02:03	wei_	so i can pop to find the next one. but how to get prev?
02:04	Sgeo	['(3 2 1) '(4 5 6)] could be, for example, the list 1 2 3 4 5 6 with the current position being on 4
02:04	AtKaaZ	wei_, was the atom the index to an immutable "list" ?
02:04	Sgeo	The previous would be the head of the left list, current is the head of the right list
02:06	wei_	works for me. thanks Sgeo!
02:06	Sgeo	You're welcome
02:06	Sgeo	Note that I don't know if that's idiomatic Clojure style, but it avoids the need for mutability
02:06	wei_	the atom can be that whole structure, i guess
02:07	Sgeo	Note that this concept is, I think, what clojure.zip is about
02:07	AtKaaZ	Sgeo, so when you go to the next, you'd get new lists like ['(4 3 2 1) '(5 6)] ?
02:07	Sgeo	AtKaaZ, yes
02:08	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3 4 5 6) clojure.zip/seq-zip)
02:08	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.zip>
02:09	Sgeo	,(require 'clojure.zip :as 'zip)
02:09	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Boolean cannot be cast to clojure.lang.Symbol>
02:09	Sgeo	,(require '[clojure.zip :as zip])
02:09	clojurebot	nil
02:09	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3 4 5 6) zip/seq-zip)
02:09	clojurebot	[(1 2 3 4 5 ...) nil]
02:09	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3 4 5 6) zip/seq-zip zip/down zip/next zip/next zip/next)
02:09	clojurebot	[4 {:l [1 2 3], :pnodes [(1 2 3 4 5 ...)], :ppath nil, :r (5 6)}]
02:10	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3 4 5 6) zip/seq-zip zip/down zip/next zip/next zip/next zip/prev)
02:10	clojurebot	[3 {:l [1 2], :pnodes [(1 2 3 4 5 ...)], :ppath nil, :r (4 5 6)}]
02:10	wei_	what's with the zip/down?
02:10	AtKaaZ	yep I'm totally lost :)
02:10	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3 4 5 6) zip/seq-zip zip/down zip/next zip/next zip/next zip/prev zip/node)
02:10	clojurebot	3
02:11	Sgeo	wei_, in clojure.zip, when you make a zipper out of something, your "location" starts out as the entire structure itself
02:11	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3 4 5 6) zip/seq-zip zip/node)
02:11	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: No such namespace: zip, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
02:11	Sgeo	,(require '[clojure.zip :as zip])
02:11	clojurebot	nil
02:11	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3 4 5 6) zip/seq-zip zip/node)
02:11	clojurebot	(1 2 3 4 5 ...)
02:11	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3 4 5 6) zip/seq-zip zip/down zip/node)
02:11	clojurebot	1
02:12	wei_	so in this case the list itself is the parent node for the items
02:13	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3) zip/seq-zip zip/down zip/right (zip/replace 10) zip/root zip/node)
02:13	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.LazySeq cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn>
02:14	Sgeo	..?
02:15	Sgeo	At any rate, the two list structure I showed you is, to the best of my understanding, a form of zipper, even if it doesn't support descending and isn't clojure.zip compatible
02:15	wei_	,(-> '(1 2 3) zip/seq-zip zip/down zip/right (zip/replace 10) zip/up zip/node)
02:15	clojurebot	(1 10 3)
02:16	ori-l	wei_: konami code?
02:16	wei_	right, your implementation does resemble a zipper
02:17	wei_	ori-l haha, i think you need a tree for that
02:17	Sgeo	,(-> '(1 2 3) zip/seq-zip zip/down zip/right (zip/replace 10) zip/root)
02:17	clojurebot	(1 10 3)
02:19	Sgeo	I should really sleep now, I have class in less than 6 hours
02:20	AtKaaZ	,(-> '(1 2 3) zip/seq-zip zip/down zip/right zip/right (zip/replace 4) zip/up)
02:20	clojurebot	[(1 2 4) nil]
02:21	AtKaaZ	oh right, forgot root
02:29	AtKaaZ	,(quote a b c)
02:29	clojurebot	a
02:32	AtKaaZ	how would you replace the numbers with d a b c here: ##(-> 4 (list 1 2 3))
02:32	lazybot	⇒ (4 1 2 3)
02:32	AtKaaZ	other than this ##(-> 'd (list 'a 'b 'c))
02:32	lazybot	⇒ (d a b c)
02:34	AtKaaZ	,(-> 'd (list (map symbol '(a b c))))
02:34	clojurebot	(d (a b c))
02:43	AtKaaZ	how do you make a list of params become non-list, in non-macros
02:43	AtKaaZ	,(#(do (-> (last %&) (list (reverse (pop (reverse %&)))) ) ) 1 2 3)
02:43	clojurebot	(3 (1 2))
02:46	tomoj	huh?
02:46	AtKaaZ	:) I want to pass 2 param but they are in a list
02:46	AtKaaZ	there was a simple way but I'm missing it now
02:47	AtKaaZ	rigth apply?
02:47	tomoj	say what you want like (= (__ + '(1 2)) 3)
02:47	tomoj	where __ is the blank you want to fill in
02:48	AtKaaZ	it's "apply" what I was looking for
02:48	AtKaaZ	,(apply list '(1 2 3))
02:48	clojurebot	(1 2 3)
02:50	AtKaaZ	ok appply would've worked but not in my example: (#(do (-> (last %&) (list (___ (reverse (rest (reverse %&)))) ) ) ) 1 2 3)
02:53	AtKaaZ	basically I want to do this: (list 1 (2 3)) without flatten and return (1 2 3)
02:53	AtKaaZ	,(flatten (list 1 '(2 3)))
02:53	clojurebot	(1 2 3)
02:54	AtKaaZ	that, but without flatten :)
02:55	AtKaaZ	tomoj, ,(list 1 (____ '(2 3)))
02:57	AtKaaZ	in other words, is it possible to return a non-collection list of things heh
02:58	AtKaaZ	I guess macros then
03:11	wingy	clj is such a good repl lang
03:11	AtKaaZ	ok i give up, i wanted a generic way to see the difference between -> and ->> by being able to pass any number and type of params to be added to a list by ie. (funxion-any -> a b 2 ) or (funxion01 a b 2) which would return (2 a b) or (a b 2) if ->>
03:11	AtKaaZ	,(#(do (flatten (-> (last %&) (list (reverse (rest (reverse %&))) ) ))) 'a 'b 'c)
03:12	clojurebot	(c a b)
03:13	AtKaaZ	,(defmacro x [& coll#] `(-> (last '~coll#) (list ~@coll#))) (x 1 2 3)
03:13	clojurebot	#<Exception java.lang.Exception: SANBOX DENIED>
03:14	tomoj	AtKaaZ: what do you want (list 1 (____ '(2 3))) to be?
03:14	AtKaaZ	(1 2 3)
03:15	tomoj	that's not possible
03:15	tomoj	##(apply list 1 '(2 3)) is possible
03:15	AtKaaZ	i was afraid of that
03:15	lazybot	⇒ (1 2 3)
03:15	tomoj	-> and ->> aren't functions
03:15	AtKaaZ	if I do apply like that, then I can't use it with -> and ->>
03:15	tomoj	,(clojure.walk/macroexpand-all '(-> a b 2))
03:15	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.walk>
03:16	AtKaaZ	yeah I know it's a macro
03:16	tomoj	,(clojure.walk/macroexpand-all '(-> a b 2))
03:16	clojurebot	(2 (b a))
03:19	AtKaaZ	ok I guess this is the best I can do ##(#(do (flatten (-> (last %) (list (reverse (rest (reverse %))) ) ))) '(a b c 2))
03:19	lazybot	⇒ (2 a b c)
03:19	AtKaaZ	,(#(do (flatten (->> (last %) (list (reverse (rest (reverse %))) ) ))) '(a b c 2))
03:19	clojurebot	(a b c 2)
03:20	tomoj	I guess I still don't understand what you're trying to do
03:21	AtKaaZ	experimenting, but well I wanted to make a generic way of this structure (-> 1 (list 2 3)) where -> 1 2 and 3 etc. would be changable
03:22	AtKaaZ	so in my example above, I can change/add anything in the (a b c 2) part and the ->>
03:22	AtKaaZ	the ->> can be one of -> or ->> :) just to see the result
03:28	AtKaaZ	ok considering the latest revisions: (defmacro x [f# coll#] `(flatten (~f# (last ~coll#) (list (reverse (rest (reverse ~coll#)))) ))) (x ->> '(a b c d))
03:31	AtKaaZ	or this one might be better: (defmacro x [f# & coll#] `(flatten (~f# (last '~coll#) (list (reverse (rest (reverse '~coll#)))) ))) (x -> a b c d)
03:32	AtKaaZ	I just wish I could get ~@coll# without the last param
03:32	tomoj	~@(butlast coll#)?
03:32	clojurebot	Cool story bro.
03:33	tomoj	note you don't need to # the x params
03:33	tomoj	also ##(#(cons (last %) (butlast %)) '(a b c d))
03:33	lazybot	⇒ (d a b c)
03:37	AtKaaZ	lol @clojurebot , but how come that works hmm, i tested it that's pretty awesome
03:37	AtKaaZ	why don't I need to # the params?
03:38	tomoj	you only need gensyms in the code your macro returns
03:39	tomoj	those params are in the macro code, not its result
03:39	tomoj	'x#
03:39	tomoj	&'x#
03:39	lazybot	⇒ x#
03:39	tomoj	&`(let [x# 3] x#)
03:39	lazybot	⇒ (clojure.core/let [x__11709__auto__ 3] x__11709__auto__)
03:40	tomoj	why not just macroexpand to see the difference between -> and ->>?
03:43	AtKaaZ	I was already aware of that, so kinda trying experimenting other ways; started from (-> 1 (list 2 3)) and then what if I wanted to allow a b c, then what if I didn't want to manually quote them like (-> 'a (list 'b 'c)) then what if I wanted to pass only the relevant inputs -> a b c to a function
03:44	AtKaaZ	so far you taught me this important thing: ~@(butlast coll#) and I'm still not yet to the part with x#
03:45	AtKaaZ	oh right x# I got the part with gensyms not being needed
03:51	AtKaaZ	,(apply quote '(a b c))
03:51	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: quote in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
03:52	AtKaaZ	,(map symbol '(a b c))
03:52	clojurebot	(a b c)
03:52	AtKaaZ	,(map symbol '(a b c 1))
03:52	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Long cannot be cast to java.lang.String>
03:53	AtKaaZ	actually I want this: (map quote '(a b c))
03:54	wingy	AtKaaZ: you never sleep
03:54	AtKaaZ	maybe in here: (defmacro y [& c] `(list ~@(map quote c))) (y 1 2 3 4 d e)
03:54	AtKaaZ	wingy, I sleep when I am offline
03:55	wingy	me 2
03:55	wingy	sleep code sleep code
03:55	AtKaaZ	I don't code, yet, I'm nowhere near there:)
03:56	wingy	learn code learn code
03:57	AtKaaZ	,(list (symbol 'quote) 'a)
03:57	clojurebot	(quote a)
03:57	wingy	the best way to learn something is to code something though
03:57	wingy	code an app you wanna launch for real
03:58	AtKaaZ	,(println (symbol "'a"))
03:58	clojurebot	'a
03:59	AtKaaZ	,(println 'a)
03:59	clojurebot	a
03:59	AtKaaZ	wingy, yeah but I need to learn some more, experiment randomly
03:59	wingy	use Light Table for that
03:59	wingy	its the best learning env
04:00	wingy	http://www.chris-granger.com/2012/08/17/light-table-reaches-010/
04:00	AtKaaZ	thanks, I think I've seen it before, but not lately
04:01	wingy	it will make learning clj 1000 times more fun
04:06	AtKaaZ	18mb launcher wonder why it needs to connect to the internet, not allowing =)
04:07	wingy	for stats
04:07	wingy	you got firewall?
04:07	AtKaaZ	yep, I it won't start without internet, oh well
04:07	wingy	heh .. its probably nothing harmful
04:08	wingy	trust me .. its worth it
04:08	AtKaaZ	I'll just fake a local server for it lol
04:08	wingy	its like lein .. doing some checks and installing things
04:08	AtKaaZ	in lein we trust :))
04:08	wingy	trust ibdknox
04:08	wingy	he is harmless
04:09	wingy	it will save you 1000 hours
04:09	wingy	when final is here im sure i will ignore "lein repl" :)
04:12	tomoj	datomic should have a pricing plan where you give rich equity for a temporary license
04:13	wingy	they should have a cloud alternative
04:13	wingy	providing it as a heroku addon with full managed scalability
04:13	wingy	me hate sysadmin works
04:15	tomoj	yeah heroku addon would be cool
04:15	wingy	https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/datomic/6uh2edM-i1g
04:15	wingy	no answer though
04:15	tomoj	the peer limit seems weird
04:20	tomoj	well
04:21	tomoj	you could pretty easily do in-memory datomic on heroku I think
04:22	tomoj	though you don't have a lot of ram so..
04:25	wingy	in memory is only for development though
04:25	clojurebot	Ik begrijp
04:26	tomoj	yeah
04:30	wingy	if i make a transaction with datomic: @(d/transact conn [{:db/id #db/id[:db.part/user -1000001] :name "foo"}])
04:30	wingy	how do i get back the entity (id) immediately?
04:54	michaelr525	is there anything like that function in core? http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_contrib/clojure.contrib.map-utils/deep-merge-with
04:55	michaelr525	merges a map recursively
04:56	michaelr525	hmm
04:57	michaelr525	i'll just copy that function over to my code :)
05:31	edlich	Sorry first time here. Looking if something happens...
05:59	Kototama	I don't understand people complaining about the Lisp syntax, it's so much better than JavaScript. After writing a few macro here is what I get http://paste2.org/p/2322970
06:02	tomoj	cool
06:02	tomoj	we can do better than backbone, though :)
06:03	Kototama	probably :-)
06:04	wingy	how do i require the test files in repl?
06:05	wingy	it usually is looking for namespaces in the src/ dir
06:05	wingy	not the test/ >
06:05	wingy	?
06:08	tomoj	maybe lein with-profiles test repl ?
06:08	tomoj	just a guess
06:09	tomoj	er
06:09	edlich	and lein test in another shell is not possible?
06:10	tomoj	with-profile
06:10	edlich	Or possible lein repl and then require the test file (but I didn't test if this works)
06:10	wingy	i just required the namespace that was defined
06:11	wingy	it worked since test/ must be in the class path
06:11	edlich	So problem solved?!
06:12	wingy	yeah
06:12	wingy	just trying to find a good testing workflow now
06:13	wingy	i run it atm with (run-tests 'testing-ns)
06:13	edlich	By the way is someone working with travis-ci.org ?
06:14	edlich	The clojure part needs more documentation as: what could be written in the script part etc.
06:15	edlich	This might be how you wingy should test ;-)
06:15	wingy	edlich: have not used travis yet
06:16	wingy	i'll get there :)
06:16	edlich	it's cool
06:16	edlich	but beta.
06:16	wingy	whats the benefits?
06:16	edlich	You can set a github hook.
06:16	edlich	So every commit gets an automatic build. Have a look:
06:16	wingy	cool
06:17	edlich	https://travis-ci.org/#!/edlich/rasbojnik
06:17	edlich	(but my project is also just starting... (not much code in there...)
06:22	edlich	What would be really great would be a clojure coach. There should be a platform to hire one.
06:22	wingy	would be so much better if the failures in clojure.test gave some different colors
06:23	wingy	there is a lot of info about clj already
06:23	wingy	consult http://thinkrelevance.com/
06:24	edlich	I have ALL books and I am studying them.
06:24	edlich	I am thinking more of something as a neat help like small feedback 50 cents, middle Feedback = 2$ big Feedback 5$
06:25	edlich	I think I ask Stu when meeting him at the next conference. Good hint. Thanks.
06:25	wingy	yeah he should know
06:27	edlich	By the way do you know a forum to ask technical questions beside the toplevel Google Group #!forum/clojure ?
06:28	wingy	stackoverflow :)
06:29	edlich	OK have to build up a credibility there ;-)
06:33	wingy	is using (with-test) preferable since your tests are coupled with your code
06:33	wingy	could it yield better TDD behavior?
06:33	wingy	or should we decopule them with (deftest) instead in different files
06:37	edlich	(someone else should jump in here. Not yet a Clojure testing Guru).
06:38	clgv	wingy: separating tests from code is done in a lot of clojure projects.
06:39	wingy	clgv: i've noticed .. but what i like with looking at clj code is that i can read the doc and meta data for the fns as well
06:39	wingy	they are all in one place
06:39	wingy	perhaps the testing would make it easier to understand how to use the code?
06:40	wingy	since if they are in different files i would probably never look at them
06:40	wingy	too much work when browsing in github
06:40	wingy	:)
06:40	wingy	but it seems that no one likes this
06:41	clgv	oh, if I want to see typically use cases and there are tests, I often read them to get an impression
06:41	clgv	wingy: it would be nice though, to have some connection between tests and code. maybe via metadata or something
06:42	wingy	what are the bad things with having them in one place
06:42	wingy	bloat?
06:42	clgv	depending on the size of your namespaces it could get very crowded
06:42	wingy	yeah .. but that would force everyone to write/read tests :)
06:42	wingy	first class citizens
06:43	wingy	like doc!
06:43	clgv	I cant follow that conclusion
06:43	wingy	i prefer to read the doc in source code rather than from external places since its all there
06:43	wingy	yeah .. just preferences
06:43	wingy	ill try both out and see how it works out
06:49	wingy	how do i mock http requets?
06:49	clgv	morning laurent ;)
06:50	noidi	wingy, if you're using Ring or something based on it, the requests are just Clojure maps. there's nothing to mock.
06:51	wingy	noidi: im using clj-http to make requests in some fns
06:51	wingy	noidi: but ill test the route handlers as well later , thx for the tip
06:51	clgv	wingy: mock the clj-http functions you are using ^^
06:51	hyPiRion	Humm, defrecords doesn't support destructuring for record elements. In hindsight, that may be a good thing.
06:51	wingy	clgv: with dynamic binding?
06:52	clgv	wingy: if you use midje, you can just use its related features...
06:52	wingy	im using clojure.test
06:53	wingy	dynamic binding should do mocking pretty easy
06:53	clgv	hyPiRion: huh? defrecord has a 100% map implementation. or what exactly do you mean?
06:53	wingy	if there isnt another mocking way
06:53	wingy	no mocking libs in clj?
06:53	clgv	wingy: there are some macros like with-redefs ...
06:54	noidi	wingy, in midje you can do (fact ... (provided (some-fn arg1 arg2) => return-value))
06:54	clgv	noidi: thats one of the features I chose midje for ^^
06:55	wingy	noidi: is there a way to programmatically run midje from repl?
06:55	noidi	wingy, e.g. (provided (client/get "http://www.google.com") => {:fake "response"}))
06:55	hyPiRion	clgv: (defrecord Foo [[bar] baz] ...) isn't legal.
06:56	noidi	wingy, the facts are run upon evaluation. just re-evaluate the fact, and you'll get error printouts in the repl if the tests fail.
06:56	clgv	hyPiRion: ah, you want to define a structuring in the definition. right, that's not going to work
06:56	wingy	noidi: how do you run the tests?
06:57	clgv	wingy: lein test or evaluating the namespace should work
06:57	hyPiRion	Oh, while I remember: Is there any way of making a clojure-set/map/vector/list/seq which contain itself?
06:59	hyPiRion	X = #{X} seems to be impossible, which picked my curiosity
06:59	noidi	wingy, there's also the midje plugin for leiningen
06:59	clgv	hyPiRion: yeah cycle references are not possible with immutable datastructures- you'll need some indirection. but you can manage it with transient
07:00	hyPiRion	clgv: not possible with immutable datastructures in Clojure*
07:00	hyPiRion	;)
07:00	clgv	hyPiRion: I think that is general
07:01	noidi	hyPiRion, you can add in laziness with (delay)
07:01	clgv	ok. lazy sequences can have cycles ^^
07:01	hyPiRion	clgv: If you have unbound variables, then it's doable.
07:01	noidi	oops, I mean promise
07:02	clgv	hyPiRion: right. but the variable is then not immutable and thats the trick
07:02	noidi	(let [a (promise), b (promise)] (deliver a {:b b}) (deliver b {:a a}))
07:02	hyPiRion	clgv: I suppose that's depending on the definition of immutable.
07:02	noidi	or something like that >(
07:02	noidi	:)
07:03	noidi	then you can do (:a @(:b @(:a @(:b a))))
07:03	clgv	hyPiRion: well take maps and vectors. you definitly can't do it with them.
07:04	hyPiRion	clgv: Again, not in Clojure. Say X = {:foo Y}, and Y is unbound. You can then assign Y = X.
07:05	hyPiRion	/s/assign/unify/
07:05	clgv	hyPiRion: well if immutable means that the data structure rflects changes by returning a modified version of itself, than you can't do it in general
07:05	hyPiRion	noidi: I know of that one. The sad part is that you have to dereference the items :(
07:06	clgv	hyPiRion: try to build a graph representation with deftype/defrecord (without transients) as edges and nodes where the edges contain both nodes and each node contains its edges
07:07	clgv	and :volatile-mutabile and :unsynchronized-mutable are not allowed
07:07	hyPiRion	clgv: yeah, I know. It's not possible in Clojure.
07:08	tomoj	I started implementing inductive graphs
07:08	clgv	hyPiRion: no, with the above definition of immutable it is not possible in general for those immutable data structures
07:08	clgv	your unbound variable is a mutable thing which is the trick
07:09	tomoj	is a promise mutable?
07:09	hyPiRion	tomoj: Depends on who you ask :p Clojurians say no, CTMCP says yes
07:09	clgv	tomoj: no but its assignment is defereed
07:09	hyPiRion	* I mean reverse
07:09	clgv	tomoj: you can't change it once it was delivered.
07:09	tomoj	clgv: that seems like a good description of the unbound variable case too
07:10	tomoj	I think IPending makes clojure's promise's mutable in one sense
07:11	hyPiRion	Yeah, clojure's promise is mutable. If you e.g. do (let [a (promise)] (run-thread (deliver a 10)) (run-thread (deliver a 20))), then a could be either 10 or 20
07:11	clgv	hmm promise is not a value though - it's something you can deref to get a value^^
07:11	hyPiRion	Well, that's my thought.
07:11	clgv	hence the mutable/immutable attributes are not really fitting
07:12	tomoj	my promises can't be delivered that way
07:12	hyPiRion	It's an iffy subject. If I defer the computation of a value, is it immutable or mutable?
07:12	clgv	tomoj: yeah the second deliver will loose and throw an exception
07:12	hyPiRion	,(let [a (promise)] (deliver a 10) (deliver a 20))
07:12	clojurebot	nil
07:13	hyPiRion	,(let [a (promise)] (deliver a 10) (deliver a 20) @a)
07:13	clojurebot	10
07:13	hyPiRion	,(let [a (promise)] (deliver a 20) (deliver a 10) @a)
07:13	clojurebot	20
07:13	clgv	huh, was that old 1.2.1 which did throw an exception?
07:13	hyPiRion	clgv: Well, I was actually kind of hoping an exception would be thrown now.
07:13	hyPiRion	:(
07:14	clgv	that got changed in 1.3 it seems
07:14	clgv	maybe it's useful in some case to have the first deliver win silently
07:15	tomoj	the problem is to let functional clojure code easily get determinism
07:15	hyPiRion	clgv: It's okay if the values you deliver are the same, but well.. it's not deterministic now, is it?
07:15	tomoj	so that you never deliver different values, except when you don't care (IO? random numbers?)
07:16	clgv	hyPiRion: hm yes, it's in your duty to guarantee the determinism
07:24	hyPiRion	&'foo
07:24	lazybot	⇒ foo
07:30	clgv	&(#(% %) #(% %))
07:30	lazybot	java.lang.StackOverflowError
07:30	Cheiron	Hi, would you please help me with this? http://pastie.org/5034598
07:46	noidi	Cheiron, check out group-by http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/group-by
07:46	noidi	(group-by :a records-2) will give you a map from the :a value to the record
07:48	Cheiron	I need to match by values . for example (Record-1 :a "1") , i need to match the record in records-2 where its :as also equals to "1" . not sure how group-by will help
07:49	noidi	(for [r1 records-1, :let [r2 (first ((group-by :a records-2) (:a r1)))]] (update-in r1 [:vals] concat (:vals r2)))
07:49	noidi	something like that
07:50	noidi	note that that's untested semi-pseudocode :)
07:50	Cheiron	noidi: yes thanks :)
07:52	noidi	just look up each (:a r1) in the map produced by group-by and you'll get all r2s with the same :a
07:52	michaelr525	maybe (index) and (join) from clojure.set is worth checking
07:53	michaelr525	inspired by jay fields` post
07:54	Cheiron	noidi: group-by ins't going to work for me
07:54	Cheiron	i don't know, it is hairy ....
07:57	michaelr525	hairy?!
07:57	michaelr525	wtf
07:57	michaelr525	what's hairy about group by?
08:02	Cheiron	not group-by . my data . :a values in records-1 aren't repeated . same true for :a values in records-2
08:03	Cheiron	:a values are unique within the vector but there is a match value in the other vector
08:06	Cheiron	so the question, is how to find by value, not by key
08:07	clgv	Cheiron: the just use something like (for [x r1, y r2 :when (= (:a x) (:a y))] ...build-combined-data...)
08:07	clgv	that has quadratic complexity though, in case that matters.
08:07	Cheiron	what the Big(O) of that line?
08:08	Cheiron	Big (N * N) ?
08:08	clgv	O(N²) yes
08:08	Cheiron	any ideas for more efficient code?
08:08	clgv	you will need to sort both collections to get N*log(N)
08:09	clgv	you can sort both and then do a recursion over both collections
08:11	Cheiron	what about something like select-value ? http://blog.jayfields.com/2011/01/clojure-select-keys-select-values-and.html
08:14	clgv	Cheiron: you can have O(1) access and a total of O(N) if you build maps of them before. but thats some how cheating since the constants will differ. when sorting you only need comparisons. using a map you need to evaluate a hash function
08:14	clgv	but you can try both and see what fits best for your data
08:20	clgv	*"constant factors" I meant ^^
08:25	Cheiron	i see
08:44	Cubic	Hi
08:44	Cubic	I have a bit of a problem with java overloaded methods and reflection
08:45	Cubic	I'm trying to write a function that calls a static method that has an overload for CharSequence and ByteBuffer
08:46	Cubic	I want to avoid reflection, and I suppose I can do this somehow, but putting type hints before the argument or the call hasn't really helped
08:48	Cubic	Basically I have this: (defn glBindAttribLocation [program index name] (GL20/glBindAttribLocation program index ^java.lang.CharSequence name))
08:49	Cubic	and this: (defn glBindAttribLocationbb [program index name] (GL20/glBindAttribLocation program index ^java.nio.ByteBuffer name))
08:49	clgv	Cubic: you need a typehint for "program" as well
08:50	clgv	Cubic: usually you need the first type hint for the first argument if it can not be inferred.
08:50	Cubic	It's int in both cases though, the overloads only differ in the last argument
08:53	clgv	ah ok. then wrap it like (int program)
08:55	Cubic	Huh? Attaching typehints to all args actually fixed it. I don't really understand why, but thanks anyway.
08:57	jweiss	does anyone write tests in the namespace as code, surrounded by a macro that runs tests at compile time unless a "development" flag is not on, in which case the macro just emits nothing? if not, what's the drawback vs separate tests?
08:57	jweiss	s/namespace/same namespace/
09:03	cberg	I'm feeling stupid today: Running lein repl in a project base dir, I can't access the project namespaces from the repl. What could I be doing wrong?
09:05	edlich	Paste your equivalent as (require 'my-stuff.core)
09:06	edlich	then we can see...
09:07	clgv	I'd start with an actual error message ;)
09:07	clgv	if you have none, what exactly did you do and what did not happen as expected
09:08	edlich	so you do not even get the REPL prompt?!
09:08	cberg	Ok, so the require worked...
09:09	edlich	what was the mistake?
09:09	cberg	I may be completely wrong but I thought I used to be able to just jump to a namespace with in-ns and work with the symbols there without requiring?
09:12	clgv	cberg: yes, that is completely wrong. in-ns just switches the namespace asnd creates it if it does not exist already. hence you end up in an "empty" namespace if you did not load it's implementation previously via use/require
09:14	cberg	Yeah, sorry. I couldn't use Clojure for a few months and apparently my brain leaked. Never mind.
09:15	clgv	that error seems pretty common. I wonder where `in-ns` is introduced without explaining it properly
09:25	pyrhho	My project depends on two other packages, which each depends on a different version of the org.codehaus.jackson library (which conflict). I'm new to java (and clojure) how should I fix this??
09:25	lazybot	pyrhho: What are you, crazy? Of course not!
09:25	TimMc	$mail antares_ seqs-and-colls is now under dual-license for inclusion into clojure-doc, if desired.
09:25	lazybot	Message saved.
09:26	TimMc	pyrhho: I believe you can put a "hard version" of jackson into your dependency list.
09:26	pyrhho	ah. so if I have a version specified in my project.clj it will override those project's dependencies?
09:26	TimMc	pyrhho: This is really a Maven issue, and for reference these are called conflicting transitive dependencies.
09:27	pyrhho	TimMc: ok. thanks. that is helpful to goodle
09:27	pyrhho	*google
09:28	TimMc	I think if you say "[1.2]" (instead of "1.2") in your dependency list it will fix it, but best to look around.
09:28	TimMc	Do the two Jackson versions have the same major version?
09:29	TimMc	You might even be able to use a soft version ("1.2").
09:29	pyrhho	TimMc: ah, actually it looks like just setting the version in my project.clj has worked
09:29	duck1123	pyrhho: You might want to check out lein pedantic. It'll identify all the conflicts and help you choose the right versions
09:29	pyrhho	TimMc: erm. maybe
09:30	pyrhho	TimMc: Yeah soft version has worked. thanks
09:30	pyrhho	duck1123: ok will check that out. thanks
09:30	TimMc	What version of lein are you on? 1.x or 2.x (master)?
09:31	pyrhho	TimMc: Leiningen 2.0.0-preview10 on Java 1.6.0_32 Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM
09:36	quadrocube	Hey, anyone out there?) Can smone help me with this stuff: why is these piece of code throw the clojure.lang.ArityException: Wrong number of args (2) passed to: PersistentVector ? Trying to find it out for a couple of hours now..
09:36	quadrocube	((fn flat[x] ( if (coll? x) (reduce [] #(concat % (flat %2)) x) [x])) '(1))
09:36	quadrocube	just simple flatten
09:37	TimMc	pyrhho: lein classpath is ugly, but it will tell you exactly what's being included.
09:38	pyrhho	TimMc: oh cool.. didn't realise 'lein classpath' existed. thanks
09:46	clgv	quadrocube: because you have the wrong parameter order for reduce ##(doc reduce)
09:46	lazybot	⇒ "([f coll] [f val coll]); f should be a function of 2 arguments. If val is not supplied, returns the result of applying f to the first 2 items in coll, then applying f to that result and the 3rd item, etc. If coll contains no items, f must accept no arguments as... https://www.refheap.com/paste/5716
09:46	dark_element	I am trying to build a project with this as dependency https://github.com/samaaron/serial-port
09:46	clgv	reordering your example: (reduce #(concat % (flat %2)) [] x)
09:48	quadrocube	arrrgh, thx so much, lazybot, dark_element and clgv! Can't forgive myself's stupiditness.. Thx again)
09:48	dark_element	getting this error "java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no rxtxSerial in java.library.path" when running the uberjar created from leiningen
09:49	clgv	quadrocube: try to build your code incrementally to avoid such mistakes
09:50	dark_element	I think this project https://github.com/samaaron/serial-port should be used with cake but its discontinued
09:53	dark_element	any help would be appreciated
09:55	jsabeaudry	dark_element, What are your needs in terms of serial comm?
09:55	clgv	dark_element: I think there was a difference how cake and leiningen packed native dependencies. so you might just need to change the jar layout of the RxTx lib
09:56	dark_element	jsabeaudry just playing around with it reading some string from serial port
09:56	jsabeaudry	dark_element, Then I'd say just read/write to the device using a file stream
09:58	dark_element	clgv will try that out
09:59	dark_element	jsabeaudry will most probably have to run the jar on windows
10:00	dark_element	jsabeaudry i am helping somebody to plot volatge ratings from a device in graph, maybe even show it in browser.
10:06	AWizzArd	When I can type „javac” in the shell and get a reply, how can I then find out at what path Leiningen tries to find my javac? Cause Leiningen doesn’t find it…
10:11	bhenry	can i queue up futures to limit how many will run simultaneously?
10:11	nDuff	AWizzArd: My impression was that leiningen used tools.jar directly, rather than invoking javac.
10:14	clgv	bhenry: not until 1.5 I guess. in 1.5 you may change the executor it seems
10:14	clgv	bhenry: but you can just use a self configured ThreadPoolExecutor for parallel execution
10:19	bhenry	in update-message here: https://gist.github.com/06cdd93dadcbe68c2378 can i just call each move-data block in a future, then deref the futures so that it will do those three in parallel but not move on to the next three until they finish?
10:19	clgv	no
10:20	clgv	bhenry: you can use pmap to have bounded parallel execution - but you can't set the bound yourself with it
10:20	bhenry	hm
10:21	clgv	bhenry: the easiest way to set how many parallel computations are done, is to create a ThreadPoolExecutor yourself
10:23	AWizzArd	nDuff: do you have an idea how I can let Leiningen know where my jdk is installed? JAVA_HOME seems to get ignored.
10:23	mpenet	bhenry: you can also use pallet-thread, a thin wrapper around java executors, if you really dont want to touch java interop
10:24	bhenry	i'll check it out thanks
10:30	lpetit	clgv: hello
10:30	clgv	lpetit: hi
10:31	lpetit	clgv: will start looking at your pull request
10:31	clgv	lpetit: =)
10:32	lpetit	clgv: when you think you're ok with a code in a branch, you should change the corresponding issue' status to Fixed:to-be-integrated
10:33	clgv	lpetit: ah ok. I thought I wait for feedback first. good to know
10:33	lpetit	Since it's ready to be integrated into main, but not done yet (and I'll either change it to Fixed:to-be-delivered, either to Accepted or New if the code needs rework)
10:34	lpetit	Also, a mention (link) to the github pull request or commit to integrate in the issue comments, so that e.g. Chas or Christophe can take a look at it in a click ;)
10:35	lpetit	clgv: so, before I dig into the code and into the actual behavior, would you please tell me what it's supposed to do ? ;)
10:36	clgv	lpetit: ok. noted for next time.
10:36	lpetit	ok
10:36	lpetit	thx
10:38	clgv	lpetit: the patch enables to search the history for entries starting with the text in front of the cursor. the patch unifies the implementation with already existing stepping through history
10:41	lpetit	clgv; ok
10:42	lpetit	clgv: so we should change the default keyboard bindings … but to what ?
10:42	clgv	lpetit: good question. I thought it good to have them "near to" the history stepping
10:43	lpetit	something like ctrl+alt+up , ctrl+alt+down ?
10:43	clgv	lpetit: we could use "page up/down"
10:44	lpetit	I don't know where "page up/page down" buttons are on my Mac keyboard :)
10:44	AdmiralBumbleBee	fn-up and fn-down probabply
10:44	clgv	lpetit: would be the same as on lein repl with reply
10:45	lpetit	clgv: oh really?
10:45	clgv	lpetit: yeah. it has search there as well
10:46	lpetit	and what about just having search enabled by default? :p
10:46	TimMc	I love it when people thank the bots.
10:46	clgv	humm I'd like to have both available. since sometimes you know I definitely want one of the last three commands
10:47	lpetit	clgv: then you just trigger the history with an empty content in the log area?
10:47	lpetit	or with the cursor at the beginning of the log area's content ?
10:48	clgv	I think it does not do that yet
10:48	lpetit	clgv: should it do that, what would you think about the suggestion?
10:49	clgv	lpetit: I would have to try if it makes sense. currently it jumps to the end of the line so that you can easily evaluate the entry with trailing enter
10:50	clgv	lpetit: if you have both, you can search for something and still go one step back or forth with the other key bindings
10:51	clgv	lpetit: I dont know if I or others do or will do that often. I would need to check my behavior on that
10:51	lpetit	clgv: you mean, via the search going to a certain point in history, and then from this point, start browsing the history without the filter to refine the search?
10:53	clgv	lpetit: yeah somethimes you have very similar entries since you only used different parameters. I would suggest to keep both history modes and maybe ask the users if they really need both after a while
10:54	lpetit	clgv: which raises my question again: maybe we could make the new behavior with the search the default, and have new key bindings for the old behavior ?
10:54	clgv	lpetit: ah you meant it like that.
10:54	lpetit	just an idea
10:55	clgv	that could work. and maybe adding only one modification key for the old behavior?
10:56	lpetit	I haven't tested the code yet, but also, out of my mind: it should be possible to come back to what was typed, with the cursor at the same place, if finally the search does nothing. Is this already how it works?
10:56	lpetit	clgv: yes, the old behavior could be triggered by adding ALT => Ctrl+Alt+Up, Ctrl+Alt+Down
10:56	clgv	lpetit: if you do not change the cursor position you will come back to the initial statement
10:57	lpetit	clgv: and if you change the cursor position?
10:57	clgv	lpetit: if you change the cursor position you changed the query and you wont. hmm that could be added.
10:58	clgv	lpetit: currently, it would only go back to retained-input
10:58	lpetit	clgv: needs some real life testing.
10:58	clgv	yeah. fire it up and try ;)
10:59	lpetit	clgv: another idea: have considered doing a less restrictive search? Like you just type "foobar" and every history entry containing "foobar" will be filtered?
10:59	clgv	lpetit: I saw you changed nrepl dep again before my commit. can't the currently used nrepl lib be added to the repository in a third-party directory?
11:00	lpetit	clgv: I understand what you're saying, and your pain. I'm reluctant (currently) to not play by OSGi rules when possible.
11:02	clgv	lpetit: no, I did not consider that kind of search. that would be like in the code completion, I guess. I am only used to the prefix search due to repl-y and rlwrap. but maybe it would be worth it
11:03	lpetit	clgv: would depend whether the ineluctable increasing "noise" introduced would make it doable or not. Of course, this should then go hand by hand with a way to "highlight" the matching portion (but that could be saved for another day)
11:03	clgv	in leiningen I often do something like "(u" -> complete -> "(use '...)" or "(def s" -> complete -> "(def server (create ..."
11:04	clgv	I do that a lot if I have a certain debug/test scenario that I recently used
11:04	lpetit	where you could write "serve" -> history -> "def serer (create ...)"
11:06	lpetit	Sometimes, also, the most "unique" part of the history entry you can think of is not at the start of the line. Think about unique local names, etc. ?
11:06	lpetit	clgv: maybe the "search" function could be specified as a preference :)
11:06	lpetit	s/search/filter/
11:12	clgv	lpetit: that's an option
11:13	clgv	I justed wanted to name my frequent use case on the repl ;
11:17	lpetit	que
11:17	lpetit	sure
11:19	clgv	lpetit: well, it's implemented with exchangeable filter anyway ;)
11:19	lpetit	clgv: :)
11:19	lpetit	clgv: I've got some urgent emails to answer to, bbl
11:20	clgv	lpetit: np
11:47	holo	hi
11:48	jsabeaudry	helo
11:48	holo	anyone here is being able to use heroku commands with default app in a directory with multiple apps?
12:00	Cubic	Is anyone here that uses emacs with clojure-mode?
12:01	Frozenlo`	Sure
12:02	Cubic	I've been trying to find a cheat sheet (or something the like) for it for a while now
12:02	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: lots of people do
12:02	Cubic	basically just a list with the things it actually does
12:02	Cubic	Right now I'm quite desperately trying to comment out a section of my code and it won't let me
12:03	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: c-h b?
12:03	Frozenlock	You mean ';' won't comment the line?
12:03	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: are you using any other modes?
12:03	Frozenlock	M-x comment-region is really useful too.
12:03	uvtc	Cubic: M-;
12:04	Cubic	I'm using paredit with clojure-mode. And ; always starts a new line
12:04	AdmiralBumbleBee	you could also mark a region, c-x r t, and ;;
12:04	AdmiralBumbleBee	M-; is preferred though
12:04	uvtc	Oh, paredit.
12:05	Cubic	Oh great what now? Is that bad? Everyone and their dog told me paredit was the best thing since the invention of chocolate
12:05	TimMc	It is!
12:05	Frozenlock	It is, but I don't like it :p
12:06	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: it's fine, you have to mark and use M-; or use rectangle commands or c-q ;;
12:06	uvtc	Cubic: my understanding is that paredit is wonderful, and most folks here recommend it unconditionally, but you've got to dive in head-first and power through the initial learning curve. I haven't yet done so myself.
12:07	TimMc	Cubic: You can also use #_ if you're commenting out syntactically valid code.
12:07	TimMc	,[1 2 3 #_ 4 5 6]
12:07	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: in general, if you find something like that again, you can just use c-q to avoid triggering any mode-related bindings
12:07	TimMc	clojurebot: hello?
12:07	AdmiralBumbleBee	then find the 'real' solution later
12:07	Bronsa	woah, what happened to clojurebot
12:08	TimMc	&[1 2 3 #_ 4 5 6]
12:08	lazybot	⇒ [1 2 3 5 6]
12:08	uvtc	Cubic: I wrote up a little Emacs+Clojure tut, if you're interested: http://www.unexpected-vortices.com/clojure/10-minute-emacs-for-clojure.html
12:08	Frozenlock	uvtc: 10 minutes emacs tutorial is quite misleading I would say :P
12:08	Cubic	Eh thanks everyone. I'm pretty much new to emacs (I used it barely enough to be able to open and edit files without accidentally installing DOS in the process)
12:09	uvtc	Though, I really need to look into how to find out when there's an Ubuntu Emacs 24 so I don't have to add the cassou ppa...
12:09	uvtc	Frozenlock: I don't think so. It takes a while to internalize the key-combos, but I'd say 10 minutes is somewhere in the right ballpark for just getting your bearings straight. :)
12:10	AdmiralBumbleBee	in my experience, learning emacs is more about learning how to find help, not so much memorizing combos and chords
12:11	Frozenlock	uvtc: Must have took me around 2 hours the first time... buffers? Windows? Frame? Wtf am I doing AHHHHHHHH
12:11	zilti	Frozenlock: lol
12:11	Cubic	I got that down, but I still accidentally close windows and kill buffers I shouldn't all the time
12:11	Frozenlock	Coming from windows, I was utterly lost.
12:12	uvtc	Frozenlock: I may need to add those terms to my little tut. Thanks.
12:12	AdmiralBumbleBee	how would you accidentally kill a buffer you don't want to1?
12:12	Cubic	You'd be surprised
12:13	AdmiralBumbleBee	I already am
12:13	Frozenlock	AdmiralBumbleBee: If it hasn't changed since last save it will not ask you "are you really sure"
12:14	Cubic	Well, I definitely managed to kill my REPL at least once when I tried to close an error window
12:14	AdmiralBumbleBee	Frozenlock: I'm unsure of how you'd kill the wrong buffer, it's pretty obvious where you are (at least I think it is)
12:14	AdmiralBumbleBee	maybe you guys are just using a crappy theme :)
12:15	Frozenlock	Yes, but if you misclick you could click the little "x" thingy and close emacs :P
12:15	uvtc	Cubic: might be better to just start off for now with Emacs+clojure-mode, and then interact with Clojure in a repl in a separate terminal.
12:15	Frozenlock	That's before you learn the way and remove the menu bar of course :)
12:16	AdmiralBumbleBee	Frozenlock: if you're using the mouse when you're in emacs, I think that's probably a big problem :)
12:16	uvtc	Cubic: then, once you're comfortable with that, add in paredit. And then later nrepl.el.
12:16	Frozenlock	Amen to that.
12:17	Cubic	uvtc: I usually just throw in everything at once and then just try until I get some kind of flow. Worked with Vim anyways
12:17	clgv	Is clojure.core/require threadsafe when multiple threads try to require the same namespace dynamically?
12:17	Frozenlock	Cubic: Then lean elisp and make your own modes :)
12:17	technomancy	clgv: no =(
12:17	technomancy	no transactional loading
12:17	Cubic	clgv: is there actually a good reason to want to do that?
12:18	clgv	technomancy: ok that explains an observation of mine. so I have to wrap it in some coordination on my application level
12:19	clgv	Cubic: yes. remote code execution. all the code base is on the remote classpath and only function symbols are send to the remote side along with parameters
12:22	clgv	technomancy: is something like this in work?
12:22	clgv	technomancy: transactional loading, I mean
12:22	technomancy	clgv: I don't think so
12:23	clgv	technomancy: humm it shouldnt be hard to do or do I miss a major problem?
12:23	technomancy	clgv: ever try to contribute to clojure?
12:23	clgv	technomancy: ok, apart from that ;)
12:24	lpetit	clgv: I have tried the feature. It's easier to remember the keyword by still having the up/down arrows do their job, and just with an additional modifier (alt works for me on Mac keyboard, so ctrl+alt+UP / ctrl+alt+DOWN to be precise)
12:24	lpetit	clgv: but when I started moving in the history, even if I don't move the cursor, I lose what was currently typed
12:25	clgv	lpetit: it should work like stepping through history which can come back to what was typed.
12:25	lpetit	clgv: I'm wrong. It's if I move the cursor. But see? Moving the cursor is easy, so I'd prefer not lose what was type should I go back to it
12:25	clgv	leptit: I tried that one out before commiting ;)
12:26	Cubic	Is there something like Vim C-v i b in Emacs?
12:27	jsabeaudry	What does that do?
12:27	clgv	lpetit: ok I guess that could be fixed.
12:27	lpetit	clgv: I mean, I think this should get special treatment and be retained whatever the filter function at the end of the history list (really, it is not part of the history list yet, just appended to it during the search, I guess)
12:27	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: what is that?
12:27	Cubic	Selects the inner parts of the current block (S-expression in Lisps) and if that already is selected, goes to the next outer scope
12:28	clgv	lpetit: yes. it could be removed from the forward search and put in an `or` form with the result of the forward search, or similar
12:28	Cubic	Well the C-v part is just for entering visual mode
12:29	wingy	is there a way to remove all removed vars when i use (require ns :reload-all) in the repl
12:30	lpetit	clgv: cool
12:31	intranation	Cubic: try expand-region: https://github.com/magnars/expand-region.el
12:31	clgv	lpetit: will you change that yourself or shall I fix that next time?
12:32	lpetit	I'd prefer if you fix that and submit a new pull request
12:32	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: why are you trying to do that?
12:34	Cubic	For commenting out (or removing comments) in front a function definition (or similar) also, I want to select (and copy) the contents of a vector all the time cause I'm writing some OpenGL glue code at the moment
12:34	Cubic	where I'm just writing (defn glSomething [args] (GLSomeVer/glSomething args))
12:34	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: you want to prepend a selection of lines with text?
12:35	AdmiralBumbleBee	or remove text?
12:35	Cubic	I want to select the lines in the first place
12:35	lpetit	clgv: I found a bug
12:35	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: ideally you'd use C-M-f and C-M-b to navigate and set mark
12:35	lpetit	clgv: say the history is "1 :a", "2 :b", "3 :c", "4 :d".
12:36	lpetit	clgv: say I start searching for "b" => I jump to "2 :b". Now I start editing. And I change my mind, erase the content, and start searching for "c" => I don't find it, because it starts searching from "2 :b" in the history
12:37	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: there's also C-M-h
12:37	Cubic	AdmiralBumbleBee: I don't really know what that does. At least I see no difference to M-f and M-b
12:37	clgv	lpetit: hmm ok. so we need some kind of reset when editing
12:37	lpetit	do you want me to add comments on the ticket for all this ?
12:38	clgv	lpetit: yes, please
12:39	lpetit	ok
12:39	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: M-f is forward word, C-M-f is forward-sexp
12:41	Cubic	AdmiralBumbleBee: Ah I see. That's still rather unwieldy though ;)
12:42	lpetit	clgv: ok, issue updated. We're on the right track !
12:42	lpetit	:-D
12:42	AdmiralBumbleBee	Cubic: you could always make a macro real quick
12:43	clgv	lpetit: is the pull request closed? or should it be updated somehow when the corrections are done?
12:43	lpetit	clgv: I don't no much about pull requests. I don't know if it can be updated, or should be discarded.
12:44	clgv	lpetit: ah ok. I thought you might have a default workflow there. so I'll just figure that out, when I commited again
12:44	lpetit	clgv: while we're at it: would be great if that could be done in a branch reflecting the issue name. I'm used to this with cemerick, works great because I won't accidentally pull more than expected
12:45	clgv	lpetit: ok
12:45	lpetit	those "lightweight" branches work then like easier to manage patch files :)
12:46	lpetit	clgv: one last word please - consider rebasing your branch on the last master before issuing the new pull request
12:47	clgv	lpetit: yes. I did that with last too ;)
12:47	lpetit	:)
12:50	lpetit	clgv: I'm glad you started working on this
12:54	clgv	lpetit: it was bugging me for a while. there are also two additional REPLView things I want to fix
12:54	hyPiRion	,(clojure.pprint/cl-format true "~9f~%" 3.045236495677389)
12:54	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.pprint>
12:54	hyPiRion	(require '[clojure.pprint])
12:54	hyPiRion	,(require '[clojure.pprint])
12:54	clojurebot	nil
12:54	hyPiRion	,(clojure.pprint/cl-format true "~9f~%" 3.045236495677389)
12:54	clojurebot	3.0452365
12:54	wingy	what are the diffs between with-redefs and with-redefs-fn
12:55	hyPiRion	,(clojure.pprint/cl-format true "~,9f~%" 3.045236495677389)
12:55	clojurebot	#<NumberFormatException java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: "3045236495">
12:55	lpetit	clgv: spoilers please :)
12:55	wingy	im doing mocking for tests but dont know why i would wanna use the latter .. the former works great already for fns
12:55	clgv	lpetit: they are not as big as search: repl history size as option and removing "noise" from history
12:55	hyPiRion	Okay, why is not "~,9f" working properly here? Is this a bug in cl-format?
12:56	lpetit	clgv: tell me more about "removing noise" from history, please
12:57	clgv	lpetit: there are clojure comments in the history as well as (in-ns ' ...) statements that came from CCW and not from the user
12:57	Cubic	,(clojure.pprint/cl-format true "~{~a ~}" [1 2 3 4])
12:57	clojurebot	1 2 3 4
12:57	Cubic	Ohh I didn't know that
12:57	lpetit	clgv: ok, you should probably talk to cemerick about this one
12:58	clgv	lpetit: ok. I'll ask him before I start anything
13:13	clgv	lpetit: finishing time for today. good evening.
13:20	Sgeo	sigh
13:21	Sgeo	In Incanter, I saw some code that modifys refs... several refs, but each modified ref is modified in a separate dosync
13:21	Sgeo	Doesn't that kind of eliminate the point of STM in the first place?
13:21	Sgeo	Admittedly, since it's occuring in a macro, it's not likely to be a big deal in actual usage, but still...
13:22	duck11231	does each change need to pass or fail together?
13:23	Sgeo	Hmm, not entirely sure. It doesn't make conceptual sense for one to pass and another to fail, but I think if other changes occur mixed in with those it's not a big deal?
13:25	Sgeo	https://github.com/liebke/incanter/blob/077cde547363afe675fd8400de11dda0a4b47952/modules/incanter-core/src/incanter/infix.clj#L42
13:26	Sgeo	Also, ref-set where alter would be more stylistically appropriate, but since it's a ref in a transaction rather than an atom, it shouldn't make a semantic difference the way it would with an atom and reset! vs swap!
13:28	Sgeo	Oh hey, there actually is a significant problem with that code due to the split of dosyncs
13:29	Sgeo	+highest-precedence+ could receive a lower highest-precedence in a race condition
13:30	Sgeo	Although... does macro code ever get run in different threads?
13:30	Sgeo	Or is the compiler/macroevaluator/whatever single threaded?
13:34	Sgeo	Oh wait defop is a function not a macro
13:34	Sgeo	So yeah, that doesn't matter
13:34	Sgeo	It should be fixed. I will fix it when I have time.
14:16	Frozenlock	Weird... In noir I have a page showing me "{:status 302, :headers {"Location" "/subscribe"}, :body ""}" Instead of redirecting. Any idea what might be happening?
14:17	Frozenlock	Could the special form 'do' be messing things up here?
14:31	amalloy	you're rendering a map with hiccup as the response body, instead of making it the whole ring response
14:36	Frozenlock	So it seems. I've found the function causing this, but I don't know why.. https://www.refheap.com/paste/5728
14:36	Frozenlock	Oh wait it might be because 'body' is returned inside a list.
14:46	jcromartie	Noir: because sessions are magic
14:47	cemerick	jcromartie: snarky, much? ;-)
14:47	jcromartie	very much
14:47	cemerick	Sessions are sorta magic everywhere, really.
14:47	Frozenlock	What's not to like?
14:47	cemerick	!, !, !, generally
14:48	cemerick	meanwhile, native ring sessions are simple, but hard
14:48	Frozenlock	By ! you mean mutations?
14:48	cemerick	yah
14:48	jcromartie	mutating thread-local bindings
14:50	Frozenlock	Any simple example of ring sessions?
14:50	jcromartie	cemerick: what's so hard about Ring sessions?
14:50	xeqi	heh, there are some fun rules about updating them
14:51	cemerick	jcromartie: if you're passing around full response maps, you need to be very careful about consistently applying downstream changes/additions to the existing state from the request
14:51	cemerick	I ran aground on that myself last week with Friend.
14:51	jcromartie	hmm
14:52	jcromartie	I actually don't really have a problem with stateful sessions as middleware
14:52	cemerick	well, maybe you've been doing it right this whole time :-)
14:52	l1x	, (/ (System/currentTimeMillis) 1000)
14:52	jcromartie	I also think the word "actually" is actually useless in most cases
14:52	clojurebot	269996228887/200
14:53	cemerick	it works, it's just easy to forget the rules.
14:53	l1x	hmm, how can i get back long rounded after the division?
14:53	jcromartie	what are the rules?
14:53	jcromartie	I always use merge/update-in/etc. when dealing with response maps
14:53	duck11231	,(long (/ (System/currentTimeMillis) 1000))
14:54	clojurebot	1349981214
14:54	cemerick	jcromartie: weavejester can probably state them more succinctly, but basically: you need to consistently propagate any :session provided by a downstream handler
14:55	jcromartie	and by "downstream" you mean like, an "inner" handler
14:55	jcromartie	I always get a little mixed up with middleware terminology
14:55	weavejester	Right, the base session middleware is very simple - you can only read the session or replace the session.
14:55	cemerick	yes, or any other function that returns a response map you're going to pass along
14:55	duck11231	it's hard to know which way is up
14:56	l1x	duck11231: thanks
14:56	jcromartie	my middleware basically follows the pattern: (if-let [resp (handler req)] (-> resp …))
14:56	jcromartie	or rather when-let
14:56	l1x	i guess this variable is always 64 bit on every platform
14:58	tmciver	weavejester: I'm having trouble getting compojure.route/files to serve static files when I run my compojure app using 'lein run'. I see that 'public' is the default root directory. Does that mean files will be served from <project-dir>/public? It doesn't seem to work for me.
14:58	jcromartie	but aren't sessions just a convention and not any sort of standard?
14:58	jcromartie	you could really do whatever you want
15:00	weavejester	tmciver: That's correct. What does your route look like?
15:00	weavejester	tmciver: (route/files "/") ?
15:00	tmciver	weavejester: yes. let me do a quick sanity check.
15:00	weavejester	tmciver: Incidentally, route/resources is usually preferred over route/files.
15:02	tmciver	weavejester: I have test.js in <project_dir>/public. If I go to localhost/test.js, I get the 'not-found' route.
15:03	weavejester	tmciver: Could you show me what your routes look like?
15:08	tmciver	weavejester: https://www.refheap.com/paste/5729
15:09	cemerick	jcromartie: Sure, but it all ends up needing to boil down to a token/cookie that will round-trip on the next request, etc.
15:09	jcromartie	yes
15:12	tmciver	weavejester: I also noticed that the 'file-path' local in the files function is 'test' when I try to get my test.js file.
15:15	weavejester	tmciver: Hm… let me look into this
15:15	weavejester	tmciver: Out of interest, is there any reason you're using files instead of resources?
15:17	tmciver	weavejester: none at all. But I just tried to use resources with the same result.
15:18	tmciver	weavejester: am I correct to assume that the dir that 'public' is supposed to in is the project dir?
15:18	amalloy	weavejester: fwiw i use files instead of resources because there's better support for things like Last-Modified, MIME types and so forth
15:19	weavejester	tmciver: Yes, and I can't reproduce your problem… How are you accessing your routes? By running the adapter and accessing them through a browser or HTTP client?
15:19	duck11231	hmmm... for some reason, it looks like I'm using wrap-files and wrap-file-info
15:19	weavejester	amalloy: Ring 1.2 should have better support for last-modified on non-file resources
15:21	tmciver	weavejester: yes, I'm running the Jetty adapter through 'lein run' and using a browser. The other routes work fine with that setup.
15:21	tmciver	weavejester: I've no doubt I'm doing something silly, I just don't know what.
15:22	weavejester	tmciver: What happens if you run the following code in a REPL:
15:22	weavejester	((route/files "/") {:uri "/test.js", :scheme :http, :request-method :get, :headers {"host" "localhost"}})
15:24	tmciver	weavejester: that seems to work correctly . . . hmm
15:25	weavejester	tmciver: Okay, next try passing the same request map to your routes
15:25	weavejester	e.g.
15:25	weavejester	(routes {:uri "/test.js", :scheme :http, :request-method :get, :headers {"host" "localhost"}})
15:25	tmciver	weavejester: 404
15:26	TimMc	antares_: ping
15:26	antares_	TimMc: pong
15:26	TimMc	Mail for you!
15:26	weavejester	tmciver: Innnnnteresting…
15:26	TimMc	lazymail
15:26	weavejester	tmciver: Try cutting out all the routes except for the files route and the not-found route?
15:26	tmciver	weavejester: I'd love to tell you that I'm doing something strange, but I don't think so.
15:27	weavejester	tmciver: Then if that works, add the other routes back in until the 404 appears
15:27	antares_	TimMc: I see no new emails. Or is it this IRC/lazybot mail thing? I don't know how to use it :)
15:27	antares_	lazybot: lazymail
15:28	antares_	clojurebot: lazymail
15:28	clojurebot	No entiendo
15:28	TimMc	Yeah, I don't know how to use it either. :-P
15:28	antares_	clojurebot: mail
15:28	clojurebot	if you can access the email account that is signed up then you winn
15:28	TimMc	Anyway, the seqs-and-colls repo is dual-licensed compatibly with clojure-doc now.
15:28	antares_	TimMc: ah, nice
15:28	tmciver	weavejester: 404 still. :(
15:29	TimMc	$mail TimMc test
15:29	lazybot	Message saved.
15:29	antares_	I am finishing dinner and going to work on namespaces and collections/sequences guides
15:29	antares_	TimMc: thank you
15:29	TimMc	lazybot: Mail for me?
15:29	weavejester	tmciver: Hm...
15:29	tmciver	weavejester: I've got (route/resources "/") for the static files route.
15:29	weavejester	tmciver: Oh! You switched?
15:29	TimMc	antares_: "/msg lazybot mail" seems to be the thing
15:30	weavejester	tmciver: If you're going with resources, the directory changes to "resources/public"
15:30	antares_	does lazybot use /dev/null for mail? :)
15:30	antares_	ah, cool
15:30	antares_	thanks TimMc
15:30	tmciver	weavejester: so my test.js file should be in 'resources/public'?
15:31	weavejester	tmciver: If you're using resources. If you're using files, it can be in 'public'
15:31	tmciver	weavejester: OK, went back to files and it seems to work with the other routes commented out.
15:31	tmciver	from the repl
15:32	weavejester	tmciver: Okay, try adding all the other routes back and trying it from the REPL again
15:32	Hodapp	I read "REPL again" as "Republican". I eagerly await election season in the US being over.
15:33	TimMc	I, too, need new glasses.
15:33	TimMc	I read "electron season".
15:34	weavejester	Hodapp: Now I need to resist jokes about functions that return different results for the same arguments...
15:34	tmciver	weavejester: yeah, seems to work from the repl now with all the routes, but not from a browser. I'm baffled.
15:34	ToBeReplaced	i'm getting confused with the information out there regarding SLIME/swank-clojure/nREPL >> i can't figure out what the intended use is now that swank-clojure is deprecated >> am i supposed to "lein repl" then "M-x nrepl" to it from emacs?
15:35	weavejester	tmciver: Well, we can peek at the request map being passed in with some middleware
15:35	weavejester	tmciver: (defn wrap-prn [h] (fn [r] (prn r) (h r)))
15:36	tmciver	weavejester: OK, I'll try that. Let me get back to you with the result; got to go do my 'real' work :(
15:38	Somelauw	jcromartie: Aren't all irc clients textual?
16:09	TimMc	,alive?
16:09	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: alive? in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
16:10	ddeaguiar	,(doc alive?)
16:10	clojurebot	Gabh mo leithscéal?
16:10	ddeaguiar	hm
16:10	fractaloop	WTF?
16:11	ddeaguiar	what was that..
16:11	Somelauw	,dead?
16:11	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: dead? in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
16:11	TimMc	I was just checking if clojurebot was back.
16:11	ddeaguiar	o
16:14	jcromartie	was clojurebot speaking Gaelic?
16:15	scriptor	most clojure devs speak Irish, didn't you know?
16:15	fractaloop	....
16:16	devth	anyone know an up-to-date reference on clojure.data.zip.xml? most results are for old contrib and don't work anymore.
16:24	Somelauw	can all languages be implemented as a macro in clojure?
16:24	Somelauw	is there prolog?
16:25	emezeske	Somelauw: You might be interested in core.logic
16:26	Somelauw	it's even in the core
16:29	technomancy	ToBeReplaced: M-x nrepl-jack-in is the way to go. if you have slime set up and working you can keep using it though; it's not going away
16:30	ToBeReplaced	technomancy: thanks >> i was missing the prefix argument to make it more awesome
16:33	ToBeReplaced	technomancy: this page needs editing to match the current state of the world if you're feeling generous; i'm not signed up yet >> http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Getting+Started+with+Emacs
16:36	AtKaaZ	how can I see all fields/methods of a class? which is like of this type: clojure.core$future_call$reify__3499
16:37	AtKaaZ	in an attempt to get the difference between java's Future, clojure's future and @future
16:38	antares_	AtKaaZ: do you need to use it from Java? Why would you need to instapect methods on a future implementation?
16:38	AtKaaZ	,(def f (future (Thread/sleep 1000) nil )) (cancel-future f) f
16:38	antares_	@future is the same as (deref future), which basically calls #deref on it
16:38	clojurebot	#<Exception java.lang.Exception: SANBOX DENIED>
16:38	AtKaaZ	ok but what is the underef-ed future supposed to be?
16:38	antares_	you can treat Clojure futures as Java futures if you need to.
16:39	AtKaaZ	true I tested that a bit
16:39	antares_	just like j.u.c. future, it is a reference to a value that may or may not be available
16:39	antares_	if you call #get on it, it will block the current thread until it is available
16:40	AtKaaZ	ok, in other words it also knows if it's pending, completed or cancelled?
16:40	AtKaaZ	if it were cancelled what would f and @f look like?
16:40	AtKaaZ	it seems to me that @f should throw, but maybe f shouldn't?
16:41	antares_	AtKaaZ: and what should it do then?
16:41	AtKaaZ	but since f also shows the @f then it should throw also , I don't know:)
16:41	antares_	if it is cancelled, you never will get the value it is supposed to reference
16:41	AtKaaZ	yes I agree
16:42	AtKaaZ	so when you try showing f, you also invoke @f if the future is done ?
16:42	AtKaaZ	or even if it's cancelled? in an attempt to show all
16:43	AtKaaZ	if the future is pending, showing f shows #<core$future_call$reify__3499@7c9391d9: :pending>
16:43	AtKaaZ	but if it's cancelled shouldn't it show cancelled?
16:43	AtKaaZ	yet it thows instead
16:43	AtKaaZ	but @f should definitely throw in this case
16:43	reactormonk	I have a bit of an idea of lisp, what do I start with for closure?
16:43	hiredman	well, getting the name right helps with googling
16:44	brehaut	AtKaaZ: have you done a (source future-call) ?
16:44	TimMc	reactormonk: Are you asking how to get started developing in Clojure?
16:44	reactormonk	TimMc, exactly
16:44	reactormonk	except I might call it coding
16:44	TimMc	Sure.
16:45	TimMc	Grab Leiningen and you can get a REPL that way (and set up projects, etc.)
16:45	reactormonk	I'd like to use emacs
16:45	pandeiro	is using aget to retrieve dynamically resolved javascript object property names a bad approach?
16:46	reactormonk	TimMc, oh, nice
16:46	TimMc	reactormonk: I generally write in Emacs (with clojure-mode and paredit) and use lein for the REPL, so I'm the wrong person to ask. :-)
16:46	AtKaaZ	brehaut: I have now but can't pretend to understand :) btw, I only asked because someone reported it on clojure ML
16:46	_ulises	reactormonk: you can use nrepl for that
16:47	reactormonk	TimMc, sounds like the way I'd do it
16:48	AtKaaZ	brehaut, but thanks that is actually what I wanted to know, methods/fields
16:48	jweiss	i have an apparently large datastructure in memory (not so large that i'm almost out of heap space - set to 1G and taking up 500mb). but i can't figure out how to dump this to disk without going OOM. spit won't do it. nor will any prn/print variant. any suggestions?
16:48	patchwork	Is there any way to tell lein to start up without checking the net for deps?
16:49	patchwork	trying to use lein sometimes when I don't have a connection
16:49	patchwork	and it just hangs
16:49	technomancy	patchwork: sure; `lein -o whatever`
16:49	ChongLi	I'm having a weird issue with nrepl
16:49	ChongLi	it's adding a bunch of newlines whenever I press enter at the repl
16:50	reactormonk	TimMc, I ♥ paredit. I even edit syntax trees for linguistics with it :-)
16:50	patchwork	technomancy: Thanks!
16:50	ChongLi	causing my history entries to be full of newlines that I have to delete in order to read the entries
16:50	ChongLi	does this happen to anyone else?
16:50	technomancy	patchwork: that will remove other profiles, so if you want dev/user etc you may be better off with `lein with-profile offline,user,dev,default repl`
16:54	aperiodic	jweiss: maybe try a doseq? won't be a printable form unless you do some work, but seems worth a shot
16:54	aperiodic	s/printable/readable
16:55	jweiss	aperiodic: interesting, might work. i just don't get why the various print functions gobble up so much memory
16:56	jweiss	way more than the original data takes up in heap space.
16:56	aperiodic	jweiss: they probably build up the entire string for the datastructure before dumping it to disk
16:59	aperiodic	hmm, reading in the result might cause problems too, if your plan is to gobble the whole thing up and call read-string
17:00	jweiss	aperiodic: i don't need to read it back. problem is probably some loop out of control adding too much data, i should be able to tell if i can just look at it.
17:03	jweiss	ah appears to be a function that produces infinite seq that i accidentally traced. woops.
17:09	ticking	hmm I was wondering what is the best way to check if a potentially infinite list has still 2 elements?
17:10	ticking	(if-let [sec (second myseq)] foo) seems flawed because of data transparency considering nil
17:11	technomancy	ticking: (get (into [] (take 2 my-vec)) 2 :not-found) I guess?
17:11	technomancy	rather: (count (take 2 my-seq))
17:11	amalloy	(nnext my-seq)
17:12	amalloy	or just next, i guess, since you only want to check for two. that checks for three
17:12	ticking	right
17:12	amalloy	&(map next [[] [1] [1 2] [1 2 3]])
17:12	lazybot	⇒ (nil nil (2) (2 3))
17:12	ticking	yeah makes sense thanks ^^
17:13	AtKaaZ	,(nnext (range))
17:13	clojurebot	(2 3 4 5 6 ...)
17:13	ticking	'(empty (next [1]))
17:13	ticking	,(empty (next [1]))
17:13	clojurebot	nil
17:14	ticking	right yeah thanks ^^
17:15	amalloy	ticking: don't call (empty) on the result. that's a disaster
17:15	ticking	ah right because it already returns nil if it is empty
17:16	ticking	amalloy, also I meant empty? ^^
17:16	amalloy	ticking: but don't use empty? either, because there's no reason
17:16	ticking	right
17:17	AtKaaZ	,(next [1])
17:17	clojurebot	nil
17:17	AtKaaZ	,(next [1 2])
17:17	clojurebot	(2)
17:17	AtKaaZ	,(next [1 2 3])
17:17	clojurebot	(2 3)
17:17	AtKaaZ	,(next [])
17:17	clojurebot	nil
17:17	AtKaaZ	nice
17:18	AtKaaZ	,(empty? nil)
17:18	clojurebot	true
17:18	AtKaaZ	amalloy, why not?
17:19	amalloy	did you read the part where i said why not?
17:19	AtKaaZ	because there is no reason?
17:19	ticking	AtKaaZ, if and most if like constructs test for nil non nil as well as true false
17:19	amalloy	yes
17:19	ticking	nil is falsy and non nil is thuthy
17:19	AtKaaZ	oh right, thank you for that
17:21	callen	amalloy: how long did it take you to solve all those 4clojure problems?
17:22	amalloy	shrug
17:22	callen	amalloy: don't want to sound smug, or don't want to recollect all that time you'd spent?
17:24	mattmoss	What's wrong with empty?
17:24	brehaut	~empty?
17:24	clojurebot	empty is amalloy: therfor I return [previous] if rest
17:27	AtKaaZ	mattmoss, well I was trying to use empty? to map nil to false and non-empty to true, but if-like constructs already do this mapping (so to speak)
17:27	mattmoss	oh, I thought amalloy (or whoever it was) was saying something like "never use empty?"
17:28	mattmoss	but right, no need for empty in that situation
17:28	duck1123	don't use empty?. reverse the clauses and use seq
17:28	technomancy	ugh no
17:28	technomancy	empty? is an actual english word
17:28	mattmoss	duck1123: empty? already uses seq. And I prefer positive checks where possible.
17:28	technomancy	so much more readable
17:28	tmciver	weavejester: from earlier: here's the request map when I try to get a js file through the browser: https://www.refheap.com/paste/5732
17:29	mattmoss	And what technomancy said.
17:30	weavejester	tmciver: You could try passing that map (minus the body inputstream) to your routes to see what happens
17:30	AtKaaZ	actually I correct myself, when I said non-empty I meant non-nil :)
17:31	duck1123	my point was, I'd rather see (if (seq x) :foo :bar) than (if (empty? x) :bar :foo) but that's mostly because I tend to find the non-empty case to be more interesting
17:32	ticking	duck1123, I'd argue to use it so that it complements documentation, if the empty case is the one you want to emphasize use that otherwise don't
17:32	AtKaaZ	yeah that would make it more readable for newbz like I
17:36	tmciver	weavejester: Ugh, I got it working. It seems to be a problem with a middleware I tried wrote that alters the 'accept' header depending on the extension of the resource in the URL. Doh!
17:37	tmciver	weavejester: thanks for bearing with me.
17:54	weavejester	tmciver: No problem - glad you got it sorted out.
18:30	devth	suggestions on how to turn [{:g 1, :v "foo"} {:v "bar"} {:v "qux"} {:g 2, :v "baz"} {:v "quux"}] into {:1 ["bar" "qux"], :2 ["quux"]} ?
18:30	devth	sorry, wrong structure, let me try that again
18:30	devth	[{:g 1} {:v "bar"} {:v "qux"} {:g 2} {:v "quux"}] to {:1 ["bar" "qux"], :2 ["quux"]}
18:33	arrdem	,(doc zipmap)
18:33	clojurebot	"([keys vals]); Returns a map with the keys mapped to the corresponding vals."
18:33	arrdem	so (zipmap (map :g datastructures) (map vals datastructures))
18:35	devth	thanks, trying that.
18:36	jamii	Now with real documentation - https://github.com/jamii/strucjure#examples
18:37	devth	arrdem: that's close but there are a different number of keys and values, so i get nil keys. i'll keep playing w/ it tho. thanks.
18:39	devth	reduce might actually be what i need.
19:30	wingy	this test is passing since i mock the http/post with with-redefs https://gist.github.com/3876287
19:30	wingy	i wonder how/why to use with-redefs-fn .. there is no example in the doc for it
19:31	wingy	what is the difference
19:34	amalloy	devth: https://gist.github.com/0864360312f804c37cd9
19:35	devth	amalloy: wow, nice. thanks, i was still messing around with a really nasty reduce / update-in mess
19:35	emezeske	wingy: with-redefs-fn is a function instead of a macro, so it might be useful for things like e.g. generating test input data on the fly
19:36	emezeske	wingy: That is, it might be useful when you don't know what the bindings will be at compile-time
19:36	arrdem	herm... anyone know how to access the com.mongodb.ObjectId constructor in Congomongo?
19:36	amalloy	into/for solves an awful lot of problems that would otherwise require a hairy reduce
19:36	wingy	emezeske: i c
19:36	wingy	so if i know i might as well use with-redefs?
19:37	emezeske	wingy: with-redefs is probably more convenient most of the time
19:37	emezeske	wingy: Since you can just pass an arbitrary body to it, instead of a function to run
19:37	wingy	emezeske: i c
19:38	wingy	yeah since its a fn i have to wrap the expression inside a callback
19:38	wingy	also i cant use bindings in a fn right?
19:38	wingy	so i have to provide a map
19:40	wingy	emezeske: https://gist.github.com/3876287
19:41	wingy	pretty straightforward
19:41	wingy	i should probably add the example with with-redefs-fn to do?
19:41	wingy	doc
19:42	emezeske	I thought the docs for with-redefs-fn were pretty explanatory, but I guess an example never hurt anyone
19:43	wingy	no examples
19:45	wingy	http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/with-redefs-fn
19:45	wingy	since the doc says its used for mocking during testing i added a test oriented example
19:45	emezeske	Seems reasonable.
20:01	gert	is there a recommended way to run tests on clojurescript code?
20:01	dnolen	gert: not really.
20:03	emezeske	gert: Webapp?
20:04	gert	emezeske: I'm writing ring-like chaining on the client side and would like to write tests for my code
20:05	emezeske	gert: So, yes?
20:05	gert	I suppose so yes :)
20:05	emezeske	gert: :P
20:05	gert	I'm looking at Clojurescript One's one.test atm
20:05	emezeske	gert: For that, I write a bunch of cljs functions that just use assert, and run the tests in PhantomJS
20:06	gert	that's a good idea - and possibly more lightweight than one.test
20:06	emezeske	I've been meaning to look at this too: https://github.com/kumarshantanu/clip-test
20:07	emezeske	Seems very promising.
20:07	gert	it does!
20:07	gert	I'm going to check that out. cheers!
20:13	wingy	how do i check if an id exists in datomic
20:13	wingy	(q '[:find ?id :in $ ?id :where [?id _ _]] (db conn) id)
20:15	wingy	didn't work and threw no error
20:15	AtKaaZ	should've worked
20:15	AtKaaZ	but you also don't have to specify the _ _
20:15	wingy	perhaps ?id cannot be the same as the ?id passed in
20:16	AtKaaZ	this might be relevant: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/datomic/rJxgqnI4hz0
20:19	wingy	it worked now
20:19	wingy	i passed a string as an id :[
20:19	AtKaaZ	oh
20:19	wingy	should be converted to a long
20:19	AtKaaZ	yep, reminds me of yesterday:)
20:19	wingy	yeah
20:20	wingy	cant clojure implement static typing!
20:20	wingy	saves so much manual checking
20:20	AtKaaZ	it's curious however that the entity id exists even without any attributes... I've yet to test that out
20:21	AtKaaZ	"stated another way, having no attributes is as nonexistent as an entity can be." -Stu
20:21	wingy	i think the attrs exists
20:21	wingy	but you arent quering them
20:21	wingy	[?id]
20:21	wingy	the same as [?id _ _]
20:22	AtKaaZ	how can I delete erm retract an entity with a specific id?
20:23	AtKaaZ	ok I guess like so: @(d/transact conn [[:db.fn/retractEntity easton-id]])
20:24	AtKaaZ	yep the two are the same: [?id] or [?id _ _] same result
20:35	tomoj	should java.util.Set etc be added to pprint's dispatch?
20:36	tomoj	..bit bothersome that the HashSets datomic returns don't pprint. of course (comp pprint set) works
20:43	AtKaaZ	doesn't seem to work ?
20:44	AtKaaZ	works, my set was just empty
20:50	emezeske	tomoj: Could you maybe define a pprint multimethod for datomic sets?
20:50	tomoj	well they're just HashSets
20:51	tomoj	but yeah
20:51	tomoj	wondering why pprint shouldn't do that
20:56	ChongLi	hmmm
20:57	ChongLi	this new version of ac-nrepl or nrepl is adding a lot of latency to my keystrokes
20:57	ChongLi	I have no idea how to figure diagnose this
21:11	Sgeo	,(-> 10 [1 2 3])
21:11	clojurebot	#<IndexOutOfBoundsException java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException>
21:11	Sgeo	Well, that's an interesting way to fail
21:13	TimMc	&(macroexpand-1 '(-> 10 [1 2 3]))
21:13	lazybot	⇒ ([1 2 3] 10)
21:13	AtKaaZ	what was it supposed to do?
21:13	emezeske	Sgeo: Interesting? Isn't that what you'd expect?
21:13	Sgeo	emezeske, I expected some kind of error
21:13	Sgeo	But wasn't sure what kind
21:14	emezeske	IndexOutOfBounds seems pretty reasonable and uninteresting to me :)
21:14	TimMc	,(-> 1 [:a :b :c])
21:14	clojurebot	:b
21:14	AtKaaZ	how would you add that 10 to that vector, using the same construct
21:15	TimMc	You wouldn't.
21:15	AtKaaZ	,(-> 10 (cons [1 2 3]))
21:15	Sgeo	emezeske, I was wondering if it would try to insert into the vector or something
21:15	clojurebot	(10 1 2 3)
21:15	Sgeo	,(macroexpand-1 '(-> 10 (1 2 3)))
21:15	clojurebot	(1 10 2 3)
21:15	Iceland_jack	evil..
21:15	AtKaaZ	lol
21:15	TimMc	,(macroexpand-1 '(-> 10 '(1 2 3)))
21:15	clojurebot	(quote 10 (1 2 3))
21:16	AtKaaZ	that was pretty epic with macroexpand
21:17	amalloy	&(-> 10 (1 2 3) quote)
21:17	TimMc	,(-> 10 '(don't mind me))
21:17	clojurebot	10
21:17	lazybot	⇒ (1 10 2 3)
21:17	TimMc	((juxt inc dec) amalloy)
21:17	amalloy	hah
21:18	AtKaaZ	lol
21:18	TimMc	I can't believe mine worked.
21:18	AtKaaZ	why not?
21:18	TimMc	,(quote 1 2 3 4)
21:18	clojurebot	1
21:18	amalloy	TimMc: you've made the comment macro obsolete
21:18	TimMc	:-D
21:19	amalloy	well, i guess not. since it quotes
21:19	AtKaaZ	,(->> 10 '(don't mind me))
21:19	clojurebot	(don't mind me)
21:19	amalloy	&(-> (+ 1 2) '(comment whatever))
21:19	lazybot	⇒ (+ 1 2)
21:20	TimMc	Good for obfuscated code.
21:20	AtKaaZ	,(macroexpand '(-> (+ 1 2) '(comment whatever)))
21:20	clojurebot	(quote (+ 1 2) (comment whatever))
21:20	AtKaaZ	makes sense ##('(1 2) 3)
21:20	lazybot	java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.PersistentList cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn
21:20	AtKaaZ	to not believe :)
21:21	AtKaaZ	,(macroexpand '('(1 2) 3))
21:21	clojurebot	((quote (1 2)) 3)
21:50	Sgeo	How long do the Incanter unit tests usually take?
21:50	Sgeo	I'm planning on making a minor change to Incanter
21:50	Sgeo	Not one that should be API visible though
21:52	Sgeo	I still don't like the thought of making a new project each time I want to use some library from the REPl
21:52	Sgeo	REPL
21:52	tomoj	you could add pomegranate to your user profile
21:53	Sgeo	Hmm
21:53	tomoj	the example in the readme is actually incanter..
21:53	jcromartie	what about an option for lein repl?
21:54	tomoj	I've thought it'd be nice to have repl-in
21:54	tomoj	`lein repl-in incanter` ?
21:55	Sgeo	Having to merge with clojars seems annoying
21:55	Sgeo	Erm, manually specifying the repositories like that
21:55	tomoj	so write a helper
22:00	ohpauleez	$(doc find-fn)
22:00	ohpauleez	,(doc find-fn)
22:00	clojurebot	I don't understand.
22:01	ohpauleez	$find-fn
22:03	TimMc	$findfn 2 3 5
22:03	lazybot	[clojure.core/+ clojure.core/unchecked-add clojure.core/+' clojure.core/unchecked-add-int]
22:03	TimMc	slobot
22:03	ohpauleez	thank you TimMc
22:04	ohpauleez	$findfn [1 2 3 4] ((1 2)(3 4))
22:04	lazybot	java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Long cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn
22:04	ohpauleez	$findfn [1 2 3 4] '((1 2)(3 4))
22:04	lazybot	[]
22:05	TimMc	partition 2?
22:05	ohpauleez	THANK YOU!
22:05	TimMc	haha, np
22:05	ohpauleez	I was drawing a blank, "step, group, grab"
22:05	ohpauleez	it was killing me
22:12	AtKaaZ	$findfn {:a 1} {:a 2} {:a 3}
22:12	lazybot	[]
22:18	TimMc	technomancy: I think I'm getting pretty close to having a working lein2 version of lein-otf -- the trouble now is to get lein-otf into the dependencies list of the target project!
22:18	TimMc	"Who am I" is always a hard thing to solve.
22:20	TimMc	Is there some way I can ask what version of a dependency is in use?
22:21	Sgeo	$findfn {:a 1} [:a]
22:22	lazybot	[clojure.core/keys]
22:22	Sgeo	Cool
22:22	AtKaaZ	$findfn {:a 1} [1]
22:23	AtKaaZ	that space:)
22:24	AtKaaZ	TimMc, from inside a lein plugin?
22:24	TimMc	Yep.
22:25	TimMc	AtKaaZ: This plugin needs to add itself to the :dependencies listing of the project it is run in.
22:25	AtKaaZ	so this is not needed? Specify the plugin as a development dependency: :dev-dependencies [[org.timmc/lein-otf "1.1.0"]]
22:26	AtKaaZ	oh wait, I assumed it's already added in profiles.clj
22:26	AtKaaZ	actually, I don't know what I'm talking about lol
22:29	Sgeo	What's a higher priority, fixing a theoretical but unlikely race condition in Incanter, or doing something cool
22:29	AtKaaZ	the latter, but not in my view:)
22:30	amalloy	TimMc: i don't think so, aside from looking through the project.clj to find yourself in the plugins list. but i'm definitely not a lein dev, so take that with a grain of salt
22:33	AtKaaZ	TimMc, I failed to follow the Usage, getting: uberjar-otf is not a task. Use "lein help" to list all tasks.
22:34	AtKaaZ	or maybe the part with "Get the plugin" is implied?
22:37	wingy	hey
22:37	wingy	what is the best way to handle something unexpected in clj
22:38	wingy	i did (throw (Exception.)) but my compojure server is still running and nothing was logged in console
22:39	Sgeo	What's the difference between (ensure someref) and (deref someref) in a transaction?
22:39	amalloy	Sgeo: very subtle, whatever it is
22:40	TimMc	Looking through :plugins works, although I'm not sure that will always work.
22:40	AtKaaZ	,(throw (Exception. "boo"))
22:40	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.Exception: boo>
22:40	AtKaaZ	,(pst)
22:40	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.Var$Unbound cannot be cast to java.lang.Throwable>
22:40	AtKaaZ	,(pst)
22:40	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.Var$Unbound cannot be cast to java.lang.Throwable>
22:40	TimMc	Sgeo: The question is really: What's the difference between (ensure foo) and (ref-set foo @foo)?
22:41	Sgeo	TimMc, what's the difference between (ref-set foo @foo) and @foo
22:41	TimMc	AtKaaZ: "Specify the plugin as a development dependency: ..."
22:41	AtKaaZ	TimMc, I definitely did that
22:42	AtKaaZ	in project.clj
22:42	TimMc	Are you using lein1 or lein2?
22:42	AtKaaZ	2
22:42	TimMc	There's your problem.
22:42	AtKaaZ	ah, sorry, I kinda just realized
22:42	TimMc	lein-otf isn't ready for lein 2.x yet.
22:43	TimMc	so the usage instructions haven't been updated for that.
22:43	AtKaaZ	can say it's for lein1 maybe
22:45	TimMc	Oh! I thought I did. Let me fix that...
22:48	TimMc	Bad connection, I'll do it tomorrow. Go'night.
22:48	Sgeo	Um.
22:48	Sgeo	Does ensure just change the timing of things, or does it actually have a semantic effect on correctness?
22:49	amalloy	Sgeo: my understanding is that it affects correctness in certain unusual algorithms
22:49	amalloy	but tbh i've never gotten a grasp on ensure
22:49	TimMc	write-skew
22:49	AtKaaZ	TimMc, bad RAM too "Go'night." :))
22:50	AtKaaZ	,(doc ensure)
22:50	clojurebot	"([ref]); Must be called in a transaction. Protects the ref from modification by other transactions. Returns the in-transaction-value of ref. Allows for more concurrency than (ref-set ref @ref)"
22:50	AtKaaZ	,(doc ref-set)
22:50	clojurebot	"([ref val]); Must be called in a transaction. Sets the value of ref. Returns val."
22:50	TimMc	AtKaaZ: too much lag for backspace to be useful
22:50	Sgeo	But my understanding is that with deref in a transaction, the transaction should not see an outside transaction change the ref
22:51	TimMc	ensure is only intended to be used when you are reading the ref somewhere else in teh xaction.
22:53	Sgeo	TimMc, but shouldn't reading the ref itself ensure that the transaction will restart if anything else tries to write it?
23:00	jcromartie	when I use a certain fn to paint a JPanel, I see output from prn, etc., but I don't see exception messages
23:00	jcromartie	in the SLIME REPL
23:00	jcromartie	how can I see those?
23:00	AtKaaZ	maybe (pst) ?
23:05	jcromartie	no, (pst) doesn't see the exception from the AWT thread
23:05	Sgeo	,(doc pst)
23:05	clojurebot	"([] [e-or-depth] [e depth]); Prints a stack trace of the exception, to the depth requested. If none supplied, uses the root cause of the most recent repl exception (*e), and a depth of 12."
23:05	AtKaaZ	maybe you can call it on AWT?
23:05	Sgeo	Are those any more understandable than Java stack traces?
23:05	AtKaaZ	thread
23:08	jcromartie	trying from lein repl instead of SLIME
23:09	AtKaaZ	something with javax.swing.SwingUtilities/invokeLater but I don't know how to exactly pass that Runnable
23:10	jcromartie	yeah, in the plain lein repl it shows up
23:10	jcromartie	but not in SLIME
23:10	jcromartie	seems like a swank bug?
23:10	jcromartie	I've seen this in other things too
23:10	jcromartie	like running a ring jetty server
23:12	AtKaaZ	how did you call it? I'm failing :) ##(javax.swing.SwingUtilities/invokeLater ^Runnable ((pst)) )
23:12	lazybot	java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: pst in this context
23:12	AtKaaZ	,(javax.swing.SwingUtilities/invokeLater ^Runnable ((pst)) )
23:12	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.Var$Unbound cannot be cast to java.lang.Throwable>
23:13	jcromartie	hm
23:14	AtKaaZ	jcromartie, I mean, how did you call (pst) on AWT thread?
23:14	jcromartie	I didn't
23:14	AtKaaZ	from repl?
23:14	jcromartie	I'm saying that I just see exception stack traces
23:14	jcromartie	from the repl
23:14	jcromartie	but not the SLIME repl
23:14	AtKaaZ	oh
23:14	jcromartie	just when I run it with "lein repl"
23:16	AtKaaZ	,(javax.swing.SwingUtilities/invokeLater #(pst))
23:16	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError>
23:17	jcromartie	doesn't seem to work, AtKaaZ
23:17	jcromartie	just tried it
23:17	AtKaaZ	not even sure I'm doing it right though
23:17	jcromartie	(defmacro g-do [& forms] `(SwingUtilities/invokeLater #(do ~@forms)))
23:17	jcromartie	seems to work except for printing exceptions
23:18	AtKaaZ	,(javax.swing.SwingUtilities/invokeLater (fn [] (println ns)))
23:18	clojurebot	#<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class java.awt.Toolkit>
23:18	jcromartie	yeah don't count on clojurebot doing Swing
23:18	AtKaaZ	lol
23:18	jcromartie	clojurebot doesn't Swing that way ;)
23:18	AtKaaZ	maybe can use binding to reditect stderr?
23:20	AtKaaZ	I'm curious how you'd do that, my noobish tried isn't doing anything: (g-do (binding [err out] (pst)) )
23:21	jcromartie	I don't think there's anyway to bind err to out across threads
23:21	jcromartie	is there?
23:21	jcromartie	that's the trick
23:22	jcromartie	maybe let
23:22	AtKaaZ	i don't know if across threads, I only tried on same thread
23:23	Sgeo	alter-var?
23:23	Sgeo	,(doc alter-var)
23:23	clojurebot	Gabh mo leithscéal?
23:23	Sgeo	,(doc alter-var-root)
23:23	clojurebot	"([v f & args]); Atomically alters the root binding of var v by applying f to its current value plus any args"
23:23	jcromartie	let over lambda :)
23:23	xeqi	(doc bound-fn)
23:23	clojurebot	"([& fntail]); Returns a function defined by the given fntail, which will install the same bindings in effect as in the thread at the time bound-fn was called. This may be used to define a helper function which runs on a different thread, but needs the same bindings in place."
23:24	jcromartie	I don't think (pst) works on the current thread
23:26	jcromartie	(pst) uses *e, which is only for the REPL thread
23:26	jcromartie	so
23:27	jcromartie	I need to catch and print the stack trace myself
23:27	AtKaaZ	how do you do that?
23:28	jcromartie	(g-do (try (/ 1 0) (catch Exception e (pst e))))
23:28	jcromartie	just to illustrate
23:28	jcromartie	but yeah, just try/catch
23:28	AtKaaZ	cool thanks
23:28	jcromartie	not hard at all but not what I'm used to in Clojure :)
23:43	Sgeo	,(-> #'reify meta :added)
23:43	clojurebot	"1.2"
23:43	Sgeo	:/
23:43	Sgeo	http://lispetc.posterous.com/hello-jwt-from-clojure
23:43	Sgeo	This code uses a macro to produce a proxy. Wouldn't reify work better without needing the macrology?
23:50	JvJ	a
23:50	JvJ	hey does anyone in here use penumbra?
23:53	AtKaaZ	JvJ, I may want to use it eventually unless there's something better, but not currently using it.
23:54	JvJ	AtKaaZ, Just wondering. I'm having some diffuculty using penumbra with my lein projects, and wanted to know if anyone had similar problems.
23:55	AtKaaZ	JvJ: which fork are you using?
23:56	AtKaaZ	JvJ, just wondering if you saw the ML
23:56	JvJ	AtKaaz. What do you mean ML?
23:56	AtKaaZ	mailing list for clojure
23:56	JvJ	oh, I don't think I have
23:57	AtKaaZ	your dependency: [prismofeverything/penumbra "0.6.9"]]) maybe try just [penumbra "0.6.9"] or later version
23:57	AtKaaZ	hmm actually 0.6.0 I notice it's on https://github.com/ztellman/penumbra/blob/master/project.clj
23:57	JvJ	yeah, I've tried 0.6.0 and 0.6.9
23:59	gert_	emezeske: in a leiningen test profile I have a :cljsbuild > :compiler > :source-path "test-cljs" entry; this has a .cljs file with asserts in it, but how would it find my main "cljs" source path?