#clojure – 2012-08-20

2012-08-20

00:09	bubba424242	hi any recommendation of a framework for building restful webservices -- similar to cherrypy
00:13	triggernz	A lot of the requirement for ordered maps is simply presentational
00:14	triggernz	I love to see maps in order in my repl , but otherwise I don't care
00:14	triggernz	Am I the only one?
00:14	nsxt	bubba424242: compojure?
00:15	bubba424242	@nsxt ... looking @ compojure now ... I'm new to clojure :-)
00:17	technomancy	Gnosis-: just export LEIN_JVM_OPTS instead
00:17	technomancy	bubba424242: compojure is definitely the place to start
00:18	technomancy	bubba424242: or just ring if you don't have complicated routes
00:18	amalloy	triggernz: so, do you hate me for making maps print as #ordered/map ([1 2]) instead of as {1 2}?
00:18	bubba424242	thanks @technomancy
00:19	amalloy	just ring, man? possible but kinda rough even for the simplest apps, i'd imagine
00:20	technomancy	if you have <4 endpoints it's great
00:21	xeqi	I use net.cgrand/mustache for small endpoints
00:22	technomancy	https://github.com/technomancy/chortles/blob/master/src/chortles/web.clj
00:23	xeqi	well if you only have one handler ....
00:24	xeqi	~chortle
00:24	clojurebot	excusez-moi
00:25	technomancy	or two; adding (if (= :post (:method req)) ...) isn't horrible
00:26	technomancy	or even three with a cond, but with more than 4 you'd end up reinventing compojure
00:28	triggernz	No I don't mind at all
00:30	axle_512	basically, compojure has a small dsl to deal with the task of parsing information from the request map, right?
00:37	xeqi	routing, and destructuring the request map
00:38	xeqi	though I guess routing is a special case of parsing information out
00:39	axle_512	xeqi: thanks
00:45	triggernz	amalloy: where can I find ordered?
00:45	amalloy	$google github flatland ordered
00:45	lazybot	[flatland/ordered · GitHub] https://github.com/flatland/ordered
00:48	triggernz	Cool cool
00:49	axle_512	For scraping sites, I really like enlive. I haven't tried it for rendering html. Anyone tried using it instead of hiccup?
00:52	Gnosis-	technomancy: so there's no problem with the flag itself, though?
00:52	Gnosis-	I asked because it seems like lein repl uses a lot of memory
01:00	amalloy	Gnosis-: 128MB is still way more than you'll need in most real-life apps. if i were worried about memory usage in my repl, i'd (a) set Xmx to like 30m, and (b) make sure to `lein trampoline repl`
01:01	Raynes	axle_512: I prefer Mustache over enlive.
01:01	Raynes	For templating, I mean.
01:01	Raynes	I imagine enlive is nice for scraping.
01:01	Gnosis-	amalloy: ah, thanks
01:01	Gnosis-	I'll try 30m and see if it breaks anything
01:04	axle_512	Raynes: thanks… I'll have a look at mustache. (Not to be confused with cgrand/moustache, eh?)
01:05	amalloy	Gnosis-: unless you're working with large data structures, 30m is probably file; 4clojure runs on 60m because the server is a little cramped
01:16	michaelr`	good morning!
01:28	mk	michaelr`: mornin'
02:20	michaelr`	i need something like (with-auth-approved-user (do-stuff)), in case user is not approved it should be redirected somewhere else
02:20	michaelr`	is this a good case to use a macro?
02:20	michaelr`	to implement with-auth-approved-user
02:28	xeqi	michaelr`: you could either take a function, or make a macro
02:28	clj_newb_235242	is there any record of anyone doing HFT with clojure? or does the Java GC just kill the possibility
02:29	xeqi	https://github.com/cemerick/friend/ chooses the macro direction if you want a comparison
02:33	michaelr`	xeqi: yeah, the syntax is more
02:33	michaelr`	friendly
02:33	michaelr`	:)
02:35	michaelr`	haha
02:36	michaelr`	clojure is really crazy (in the good sense) when refactoring
04:33	augustl	in ring, is it possible to make the nested params middleware add the data to something other than :params?
04:33	augustl	:params also contains URL parameters etc, I just want the nested params from the body, and not the URL params
04:33	augustl	it seems that :params is hard-coded, but I thought I'd ask anyway..
04:34	weavejester	augustl: No, I don't believe so. Nested-params needs a bit of an overhaul, really.
04:34	weavejester	augustl: Unless you wrote middleware to wrap nested-params, or created your own nested-params.
04:35	augustl	ah, I could wrap it, good idea
04:41	ideamonk	How does one go about passing an operator as argument to a funciton ? I'd like to extract combine fn out and pass +/- as an argument to it here - http://cljbin.com/paste/5031f6d2e4b0ce7c4f973b53
04:42	llasram	ideamonk: There's no such thing as an "operator" in Clojure. + and - are in fact functions you can pass as arguments :-)
04:42	algernon	ideamonk: (defn combine [f & l]), and then use (reduce f ...)
04:42	ideamonk	llasram algernon , trying
04:43	nbeloglazov	ideamonk: nested defn is a bad idea, why do use them?
04:43	llasram	ideamonk: BTW, looking at your code, nested `defn`s are almost certainly not what you want. Unlike `define` in scheme, the `defn` form explicitly always creates a var interned in the namespace -- ie, a top-level function
04:44	ideamonk	nbeloglazov new here :)
04:44	ideamonk	llasram oh! didn't know this about defn
04:45	ideamonk	Nice, so I end up with this - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vFcvEE8V
04:46	llasram	Lookin' good!
04:46	ideamonk	Thx
04:47	llasram	Minor suggestion, (apply str ...) is more common than (reduce str ...). The latter will call `str` multiple times with each added substring, whereas the form will call it once with the lazy sequence of all the substrings
04:48	llasram	s,form,former,
04:50	ideamonk	I'm pretty new to clojure, is there a way to see the call chain to compare multiple ways of doing things ?
04:52	llasram	Well, you can use the standard Java profiling tools, maybe? I'm not sure really. What would be an example of what you have in mind, for some other language?
04:53	nbeloglazov	ideamonk: I also have 2 style suggestions. Dash-separated-lowercase-words names are used for functiona and variables in clojure. So 'value-for' and 'encryption-key' more idiomatic
04:54	ideamonk	llasram I actually meant best practices, I guess looking at apply & reduce implementations could help there
04:55	ideamonk	nbeloglaznov thx
05:09	nkkarthik	in the repl, how can i quickly find out what a function does?
05:09	clgv	nkkarthik: using `doc` for once
05:10	nkkarthik	I mean in clojure I can do (doc symbol?) in repl
05:10	eddie_	Hi #clojure. I've written a little toy script... I'm just learning Clojure. What's the best place to request an easy code review? stackexchange? the ClojureMailingList?
05:10	nkkarthik	clgv: oops... sorry... this is meant for #racket... wrong window
05:10	nkkarthik	sorry folks
05:10	clgv	eddie_: make a paste and postz it here. someone usually will look at it
05:11	llasram	eddie_: Probably here, I'd say
05:11	llasram	See, two people can't both be wrong!
05:11	clgv	eddie_: if not and you have problems with the code try the ML
05:11	amalloy	ideamonk: there's more repetition in your encrypt/decrypt than i'd like - you might consider https://gist.github.com/3402511 instead
05:11	nkkarthik	clgv: thank you
05:11	ideamonk	yup, just removed that :)
05:12	ideamonk	amalloy http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BKE3VXZj
05:13	ideamonk	amalloy yours looks much better
05:13	amalloy	meh. yours prints better docstrings
05:14	amalloy	i'm not really sure about my decision to turn combine into a function-returning-lambda, since the only point there was to avoid typing #(combine f %1 %2), which is no longer repeated
05:15	ro_st	this looks interesting http://cell-lang.org/
05:15	eddie_	Here I put my simple script... if someone would find a few minutes for some advice, it would be really appreciated:: http://pastebin.com/DegSUaaE
05:17	amalloy	eddie_: you need function names or variable names that describe what you're doing. it just looks like so much gibberish without an explanation
05:17	clgv	eddie_: you should always add info what you are trying to do, as well as afew examples that show what output you expect for what input
05:18	clgv	eddie_: and do not use the old deprecated clojure.contrib lib
05:18	eddie_	thank!
05:18	eddie_	thanks!
05:18	amalloy	and foo looks like a reimplementation of ##(doc iterate), since all you're doing is applying a function to s N times
05:18	lazybot	⇒ "([f x]); Returns a lazy sequence of x, (f x), (f (f x)) etc. f must be free of side-effects"
05:45	bjarte	Hi - has anyone a good solution for getting the cl/quicklisp and clojure to work well together in Emacs?
05:57	nz-	is there tool for emacs that would tell when my parenthesis are not balanced?
06:09	clgv	nz-: rainbow parrens?
06:14	nz-	clgv: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/RainbowDelimiters ?
06:15	clgv	nz-: idk, I am no emacs guys - but it has rainbow parens as far as I heard - probably some clojure-mode
06:15	Raynes	nz-: paredit will prevent them from ever becoming imbalanced in the first place if you don't mind a bit of a learning curve.
06:15	Raynes	bjarte: Don't use SLIME. Use nrepl.el instead.
06:15	Raynes	bjarte: Then you can continue having your cl configuration just the way you like.
06:16	nz-	Raynes: I tried paredit and didn't like it
06:16	Raynes	If you use SLIME with Clojure, you're going to have to use an old version of SLIME because of incompatibilities with swank-clojure and the fact that the SLIME team apparently does everything imaginable to make it impossible to follow development.
06:16	Raynes	nz-: Try longer.
06:18	ro_st	nz-: try longer, definitely. it makes lisp editing sane
06:19	Raynes	The day I need to think about whether or not my parens are balanced is the day I stop coding until my Emacs is fixed.
06:19	ro_st	i even use monger with clojure-swank (haven't gone nrepl.el yet) in emacs as a mongodb shell instead of the one mongo provides precisely because of paredit
06:20	cemerick	ro_st: more like, I wish other languages had parens too, so I could edit them as easily as Clojure with paredit-style features.
06:20	Raynes	cemerick: I've found paredit to be fairly useful with javascript and other languages with arg list parens.
06:20	ro_st	yes! i get so lost when i have to edit php because i can't select by form (C-M-space in emacs/paredit)
06:21	antares_	I used to not like/get paredit, now I use it all the time
06:21	Raynes	cemerick: How do you get a library into maven central?
06:21	ro_st	M-r in paredit is also a huge help - replace parent form with current form
06:21	cemerick	Eclipse has an expand-selection command that mostly works across languages, but that's about it.
06:21	cemerick	Raynes: https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/blob/master/doc/DEPLOY.md#deploying-to-maven-central
06:27	Raynes	cemerick: Do I need to send them a blood sample too to get registered?
06:28	cemerick	Raynes: Hah. It's a fair bit easier than many bizarre hoops one must jump through here and there.
07:10	robermann	hi, I'm trying "lein new noir my-website" but I get the error: "Could not transfer metadata noir:lein-template/maven-metadata.xml from/to clojars (http://clojars.org/repo/): Connection to http://clojars.org refused"
07:10	robermann	followed by: "Could not transfer metadata noir:lein-template/maven-metadata.xml from/to central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2): Connection to http://repo1.maven.org refused"
07:11	robermann	Do you know if there is any problem with maven/clojars repos?
07:12	clgv	robermann: do you have some nasty firewall in-between?
07:13	robermann	yes, this being the second trouble option. I'm behind a HTTP proxy.
07:15	clgv	robermann: that's probably the reason. creating a noir project and running it worked like a charm overhere
07:16	clgv	one access to clojars was made
07:23	robermann	ok thank you clgv
07:38	robermann	ok, i got it.
07:39	robermann	on Windows: "set http_proxy=http://username:pwd@proxy.com:port" then "lein new noir test-noir"
07:39	robermann	thanks to https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/blob/master/leiningen-core/src/leiningen/core/classpath.clj#L81
07:50	clgv	robermann: good to know. maybe that should be written into the FAQ. searching it in source is not pretty userfriendly
08:04	robermann	clgv: of course you are right, I added the last entry on https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/wiki
08:05	clgv	robermann: great! :)
08:05	clgv	(inc robermann)
08:05	clgv	$inc robermann
08:05	clgv	damn. doesnt work anymore ;)
08:05	lazybot	⇒ 1
08:05	lazybot	⇒ 2
08:06	clgv	uuuh. that's a hell of a timeout for such a simple task ^^
08:07	robermann	:)
08:16	SomeGuy	Hello, anyone home?
08:16	clgv	~anyone
08:16	clojurebot	Just a heads up, you're more likely to get some help if you ask the question you really want the answer to, instead of "does anyone ..."
08:17	SomeGuy	I'm having a small problem completing problem 90 (cartesian product, http://www.4clojure.com/problem/90) on 4clojure and was hoping to get someone's advice on it.
08:18	SomeGuy	There are 3 tests cases listed and I started having a go at the second one and seem to have got most of the way there but I'm falling short at the last hurdle. Here is my current test
08:18	SomeGuy	((fn [l r] (mapcat #(map (fn [a] (vector a %1)) l) r)) #{1 2 3} #{4 5})
08:18	SomeGuy	This produces ([1 4] [2 4] [3 4] [1 5] [2 5] [3 5])
08:19	clgv	SomeGuy: how much of a hint do you want?
08:19	SomeGuy	that would depend on how wrong I'm doing it
08:20	SomeGuy	if I'm not far off a small hint would do but I'm very much stabbing in the dark at the moment.
08:20	SomeGuy	I've tried creating a set from the results I have but it re-orders the result.
08:20	clgv	I mean I can name you the function/macro that does the main job with small code size
08:21	SomeGuy	Go for it I'm basically doing the exercisess to try and learn the functions anyway
08:21	clgv	to not spoil it for anyone I message you in private
08:22	SomeGuy	ok, not sure if it will work as I'm at work so I'm using a web client so it depends how sophisticated it is I suppose.
08:23	SomeGuy	I will see if I can get a client installed instead.
08:24	clgv	linux? macos? windowS?
08:25	SomeGuy	Windows
08:25	clgv	ah well. if you are not already an emacs guy, you can get setup pretty quickly with eclipse and counterclockwise
08:26	SomeGuy	I've just started using emacs but I haven't quite finished setting everything up yet.
08:27	bjarte	Raynes: thank you.
08:28	SomeGuy	Hmm acutally think work might be blocking me so I'll have to log back on later from home but thank you anyway.
08:30	kral	namaste
09:01	azkesz	Hi, is there a function/macro already defined for checking if a number is within a certain range ie. [0 to 10)
09:01	azkesz	like (and (>= n 0) (< n 10))
09:01	clgv	azkesz: how about (<= 0 5 10)
09:01	@Chouser	(< -1 n 10)
09:02	clgv	&(<= 0 5 10)
09:02	clgv	,(<= 0 5 10)
09:02	clojurebot	true
09:02	clgv	lazybot seems to have a bad day ^^
09:03	azkesz	that's what I was looking for, thank you!
09:03	bendlas	Hey folks!
09:03	azkesz	so powerful
09:04	bendlas	I just wondered: Is there an apply for keyword functions to maps?
09:04	bendlas	Here is my definition for you to play around with:
09:04	@Chouser	i have wished for an actual inclusive/exclusive fn before, though.
09:04	bendlas	(defn apply-kw [f & args-kws]
09:04	bendlas	(let [args (butlast args-kws)
09:04	bendlas	kws (last args-kws)]
09:04	bendlas	(apply f (apply concat args kws))))
09:06	clgv	bendlas: what? try it the other way round - what do you want to do? input -> output?
09:06	azkesz	,(<= 0 9)
09:06	clojurebot	true
09:06	@Chouser	bendlas: I don't know of one, and it does seem like an awkward omission
09:07	bendlas	clgv: i want to apply a function with that takes keywords onto a map
09:07	azkesz	,(pmap #(str (cond (<= 0 % 9) "0") %) [-1 0 1 9 10])
09:07	clojurebot	#<SecurityException java.lang.SecurityException: no threads please>
09:07	azkesz	,(map #(str (cond (<= 0 % 9) "0") %) [-1 0 1 9 10])
09:07	clojurebot	("-1" "00" "01" "09" "10")
09:08	bendlas	Chouser: has it come up before and turned down, or can I ask for a ticket at the mailing list
09:08	clgv	,(map #(str (when (<= 0 % 9) "0") %) [-1 0 1 9 10])
09:08	clojurebot	("-1" "00" "01" "09" "10")
09:08	@Chouser	bendlas: I'm not aware of it being turned down.
09:08	azkesz	is when better?
09:08	azkesz	or preferred?
09:09	clgv	you dont have a second clause in your cond, so yes ^^
09:09	azkesz	it makes sense, thank you clgv=)
09:09	@Chouser	bendlas: I'd have some questions about inputs. A seq with a map at the end, like your example? or maybe a seq and a separate map...
09:09	jkkramer	~mapply
09:09	clojurebot	You could (defn mapply [f & args] (apply f (apply concat (butlast args) (last args))))
09:10	clgv	bendlas: you do this all for options?
09:12	bendlas	Chouser: i'd do varargs with a map at the end, as in my example, because it stays true to the spirit of apply itself
09:12	bendlas	and also it works for fns like (fn [arg1 arg2 & {:keys [kwa1 kwa2]}] ...)
09:13	bendlas	jkkramer: oh, so at least clojurebot already thought of it ^^
09:13	bendlas	clgv: um ... yes?
09:14	clgv	bendlas: then you might wanna checkout clojure.options on github
09:16	azkesz	,(map #(str (when (<= 0 % 9) "0") (int %)) [-2.1 -1 0 1 8.1 9 9.2 10 10.2])
09:16	clojurebot	("-2" "-1" "00" "01" "08" ...)
09:17	bendlas	clgv: thanks, but I'm not looking for a new syntax, right now ;-)
09:17	azkesz	,(map #(str (when (<= 0 % 9) "0") (int %)) [9 9.2 10])
09:17	clojurebot	("09" "9" "10")
09:17	azkesz	looks like I'm back to using and?
09:17	clgv	bendlas: it's more than that - the additional syntax symbol was jsut needed for clean separation
09:18	azkesz	,(map #(str (when (and (<= 0 %) (< % 10)) "0") (int %)) [9 9.2 10])
09:18	clojurebot	("09" "09" "10")
09:19	azkesz	still awesome:)
09:19	clgv	azkesz: why?
09:20	azkesz	I don't know, I would need [0..10) range
09:20	bendlas	clgv: still. I'm very happy with the way you define kw fns
09:20	bendlas	I just want to be able to easily apply them to maps, that's all
09:21	clgv	bendlas: passing options transitively and easily was another goal. the biggest was documentation of parameters though
09:22	azkesz	clgv, 0 inclusive, 10 exclusive, can't use only one operator (<= 0 n 10)
09:22	clgv	azkesz: if you need it often just make a function out of it ;)
09:23	azkesz	clgv, good idea but how would I represent the inclusive/exclusive?
09:23	azkesz	clgv, when as parameters
09:23	azkesz	(inrange n [0 10))
09:23	azkesz	xD
09:24	clgv	humm thats one of the things you cant do literally, even with macros. the read wont like it ^^
09:24	clgv	*reader
09:24	S11001001	azkesz: I guess you are looking for common lisp? :)
09:24	azkesz	can't do it with macros? lol no way S11
09:24	S11001001	azkesz: you need reader macros to change the read syntax
09:25	azkesz	I see what you mean, clojure doesn't support that right?
09:25	clgv	azkesz: either you make several functions, or you provide one or two parameters for the inclusion/exclusion info
09:25	cshell	Is there a trick to getting clojure.repl/source to work in the repl? When I use it with repl defined functions, it returns nil
09:25	azkesz	clgv, (in-range n \[ 0 10 \) ) ?
09:26	clgv	cshell: it needs access to the source files -so no. but there is serializable-fn
09:26	azkesz	clhv, but it's kinda ugly
09:26	clgv	azkesz: that would do. but is that better than adiditional parameters?
09:26	cshell	clgv: thanks, what namespace is that in?
09:27	clgv	$google clojure serializable-fn
09:27	lazybot	[technomancy/serializable-fn · GitHub] https://github.com/technomancy/serializable-fn/
09:27	azkesz	clgv, I don't know, how would the additional parameters look like? (in-range n incl 0 excl 10) ?
09:27	azkesz	clgv, or as keywords? :incl :excl ?
09:27	@Chouser	(between 5 <= n < 10)
09:28	bendlas	clgv: thanks for pointing me to it, but I'll pass. 300+ locs + new syntax is just too much complexity for my taste ...
09:28	azkesz	Chouser that looks way better :O
09:28	cshell	clgv, ah not in a clojure core one - so there's no clojure core way to get the source of the functions back in the repl without serializable-fn?
09:28	clgv	Chouser: I thought of that as well, but wont save much then
09:28	@Chouser	cshell: correct
09:28	clgv	bendlas: dont feel forced to - just a suggestion ;)
09:28	cshell	Chouser: thanks!
09:29	azkesz	Chouser would that have to be a macro or a function?
09:29	clojurebot	chouser: I really did wonder why you had all those photobombers on slide 2.... audio is so useful :)
09:29	@Chouser	repl/source is more of a cute hack than a real solution.
09:30	clgv	clojurebot: lol what??
09:30	lazybot	clgv: Definitely not.
09:30	clojurebot	Gabh mo leithsc?al?
09:30	azkesz	lol
09:30	@Chouser	azkesz: 'between' could be a function
09:30	azkesz	ok I'll try that
09:30	@Chouser	I think clojurebot's talking about my Strange Loop talk from a couple years ago. Don't know why.
09:31	cshell	Chouser?
09:31	clojurebot	Why are you asking him
09:31	azkesz	S11001001, 201 from http://www.asciitable.com/index/extend.gif =) I don't get it
09:32	S11001001	azkesz: http://csserver.evansville.edu/~sc87/s11-faq
09:32	cshell	I wonder what triggered clojurebot to say that
09:32	jcrossley3	cshell: the singularity?
09:33	clgv	cshell: he seems to feel lonely ^^
09:33	cshell	haha
09:33	azkesz	S11001001, that's awesome, thanks:)
09:33	cshell	does anyone have a need for a pure Clojure k-means clusterer? Or is there already one out there that I just haven't found yet?
09:33	azkesz	it was this: <azkesz> Chouser would that have to be a macro or a function?
09:34	azkesz	the trigger I mean, cshell
09:35	cshell	azkesz: cool, I didn't know he could trigger off more than one word
09:35	clgv	cshell: there is one on github afair
09:40	cshell	clgv: thanks - thet best one looks like clojure-cluster but it only seems to work with vectors and euclidean distance
09:40	cshell	I'm in the middle of making one that uses protocols so you can plug in different distance measures (ie. polar) and non vectors
09:41	azkesz	(defn between [num1 op1 num2 op2 num3] (if (and (op1 num1 num2) (op2 num2 num3)) true false))
09:42	azkesz	oh i don't need the if?
09:42	azkesz	awesome!
09:42	azkesz	but can I make it accept infinite parameters? minimum of 3 and they have to be odd
09:43	clgv	azkesz: by using every? with your new built predicate?
09:43	clgv	azkesz: or do you meant sth different?
09:44	azkesz	I don't really get either
09:44	cshell	Also, I've been using IntelliJ/LaClojure for Clojure development - would it be better to learn Emacs/SLIME or stick with LaClojure and spend my time making that better?
09:44	nDuff	azkesz: (defn between [num1 op1 & rest] (and (apply op1 num1 rest) (apply op2 rest)))
09:44	cshell	I basically want the best REPL experience possible
09:45	nDuff	cshell: I'd suggest looking at Emacs Live
09:45	cshell	nDuff: by overtone?
09:45	mdeboard	cshell: If you want the best REPL experience possible, and you have to do work to make LaClojure better, then I'd say LaClojure wouldn't be the best REPL experience possible.
09:45	nDuff	cshell: Overtone is the project that prompted it, same maintainer, yes
09:45	mdeboard	Or of course you could just download Light Table playground :P
09:46	@Chouser	cshell: I love vim bindings, so I prefer emacs+evil. But I'm sad that the visual output available is so much more constrained than what IntelliJ could theoretically provide.
09:46	cshell	nDuff: How does Emacs Live compare to technomancy's starter kit?
09:46	@Chouser	azkesz: You can do infinite parameters
09:47	azkesz	nDuff, maybe that's not what I want? something like (between 0 <= n <10 <= x < 20 >= y >=-1 )
09:47	cshell	mdeboard: lighttable looks sweet, but what is the best REPL experience today?
09:47	azkesz	Chouser, forsure but I'm trying to figure out how to process them
09:47	nDuff	azkesz: Indeed, that doesn't look like what you want, then.
09:47	mdeboard	cshell: "best" is unbelievably subjective.
09:47	cshell	ChanServ: yeah, IntelliJ could be really awesome, and it's one area where I think could use some help that I could provide cause LaClojure seems to be kinda dead right now
09:48	mdeboard	Chanserv
09:48	mdeboard	lol :P
09:48	cshell	Oops, Chouser I meant :)
09:48	@Chouser	cshell: If you like IDEs, you might find the eclipse plugin to be more active.
09:49	azkesz	clgv, I'm exploring your every? sugestion :)
09:49	cshell	mdeboard: agreed, and poor choice of words by myself :) The REPL in intellij is nice, but it can lock up and lose state - I want to experience that REPL where it's up for days and evolves and that's where you do all of your coding - Now, I just type into a file then run tests against it
09:49	@Chouser	lpetite is actually sponsored part-time by Relevance to work on counter-clockwise
09:49	cshell	Chouser: you mean counter clockwise? That's the one that's supported by Relevance, right?
09:49	@Chouser	:-)
09:50	cshell	haha
09:50	@Chouser	azkesz: you might want the 3-argument for of partition as well
09:51	@Chouser	form
09:51	clgv	(inc CounterClockWise) ;)
09:51	lazybot	⇒ 1
09:51	azkesz	chouser, that makes sense now=)
09:52	clgv	azkesz: oh, in the case you posted - forget my `every?` suggestion - I thought you had one range and multiple values to check against it
09:52	azkesz	ok
09:52	mdeboard	cshell: That's my normal workflow with Emacs/slime
09:53	cshell	mdeboard: How do you go back and get all the functions you've defined over that period? Is it just scrolling back through the buffer?
09:54	cshell	mdeboard: or did you mean you're entering into a file then running tests?
09:54	@Chouser	cshell: Maybe lighttable will get there, but no repl environment I've seen for Clojure helps as much as it seems like it could to transition "scratch" code entered at the repl into "saved" code in a project.
09:55	roma1n_p	Hi everyone, is there a Clojurescript xml parser that would let me treat xml fragments as a clojure data structure? (sort of like hiccup/crate in reverse)?
09:55	cshell	Chouser: exactly what I'm looking for - it seems that that would be very useful if you're doing days of dev in a REPL
09:55	@Chouser	Instead, I enter new functions I think I'll want later into a file (and eval them with a keystroke), and then test them at the repl
09:55	archaic	I wonder is it a goal of lighttable to be extensible in clojure, like emacs with elisp
09:55	mdeboard	archaic: I believe that it is, yes
09:55	cshell	Chouser: yeah, that's what I've been doing too - are you using emacs too?
09:56	@Chouser	sometimes I guess wrong and a "throwaway" function that I entered at the repl needs to be saved, and I end up copy-pasting
09:56	@Chouser	cshell: yes, emacs+evil
09:56	nz-	is there some good video tutorial on how to properly use repl/slime in development?
09:56	archaic	do you use paredit with evil?
09:56	mdeboard	cshell: I use a file as 'scratch', highlight, then slime-eval-buffer so I have access to it in the repl.]
09:57	@Chouser	archaic: yes
09:57	archaic	so do I, I think there is room for much better integration between them
09:57	@Chouser	mdeboard: does your repl buffer then only contain outputs, not the forms that generated them?
09:57	archaic	I have been thinking of a paredit type mode
09:59	@Chouser	Yeah, I switched to emacs expecting to be blown away by the slime repl environment. I wasn't. It's incrementally better than having a good text editor in one window and a console repl in another.
09:59	mdeboard	Chouser: I don't have the function bodies if that's what you're asking. (I've never been clear on what a form is in Clojure terms)
10:00	azkesz	~form
10:00	clojurebot	(String/format "%s is (.format "%s
10:01	cmiles74	Just catching up on this conversation; my two cents: I also write the function in my file, then evaluate, then test in the SLIME repl. Wash, rinse, repeat.
10:01	azkesz	looks broken, even if that's not what I wanted=)
10:01	mdeboard	but nothing can beat what Light Table is aiming for
10:01	@Chouser	mdeboard: I just mean if you type (prn foo) in your scratch buffer and send it, your repl buffer contains the contents of foo, but that is not preceded by the "(prn foo)". I'm just wondering if it gets confusing trying to remember what a particular chunk of otput came from.
10:01	mdeboard	Right now I'm using the InstaRepl in light table, after connecting to an existing project, and using my existing project's code to instantly evaluate the code I'm typing into the InstaRepl pane
10:01	mdeboard	Chouser: Yes it does confusing
10:02	cmiles74	I would also like to see Light Table interleave scratch code and it's evaluated output.
10:02	mdeboard	http://ubuntuone.com/7RlW0Hth3sWo3Tx6aNCGxy
10:03	mdeboard	That's what I'm doing atm
10:03	mdeboard	(the last two lines are actual code, not toy)
10:03	hyPiRion	&(format "%s" :without-the-dot!)
10:03	lazybot	⇒ ":without-the-dot!"
10:03	@Chouser	we pair a lot at work, and right now nothing beats sharing a tmix session for that. Unfortunately that means we prefer tools that run nicely in a terminal.
10:03	@Chouser	emacs wins
10:03	mdeboard	having it instantly evaluate is heaps better than the clojure-mode workflow.
10:03	@Chouser	Lighttable would need explicit pairing support, I think, before we could seriously consider it.
10:04	wmealing_	vnc aint cool ?
10:04	wmealing_	or nx
10:04	mdeboard	honestly I'm a little freaked out that I can `(use)' the project I'm connected to via the Table, I didn't know it oculd do that already. That's amazing.
10:04	cemerick	chouser: what do you mean re: "(prn foo)", etc?
10:04	cshell	Chouser: I was thinking of going to Emacs because I thought the REPL would blow me away as well - I also am interested in the pairing abilities
10:05	hyPiRion	The lighttable-stuff should be possible to do in emacs though.
10:05	cemerick	i.e. does SLIME not echo the expression that is evaluated?
10:05	hyPiRion	Or well, parts of it
10:05	mdeboard	hyPiRion: Exactly, parts of it
10:05	@Chouser	wmealing_: no, our attempts to use vnc haven't gone well.
10:05	mdeboard	hyPiRion: vim can do parts of it to, and intellij and eclipse and all.
10:05	@Chouser	cemerick: depends on how you use it. That's why I was asking.
10:05	wmealing_	Chouser: is it vnc.. or something else
10:06	cshell	it's too bad that LaClojure can't "jack-in" to a remote repl like emacs
10:06	mdeboard	clojure-mode can jack in to a remote repl?
10:06	cemerick	chouser: Sorry, missed the beginning of the conversation. It seems like it should be able to…certainly a must have for a REPL IMO.
10:06	cshell	Can counter clockwise "jack-in" to remote repls?
10:07	cshell	it must if relevance is using it for their paired development
10:07	cemerick	cshell: yes; it uses the same REPL backend as leiningen, reply, and nrepl.el
10:07	@Chouser	cemerick: yes, thank you for apologizing for not being on #clojure constantly, or at the very least reading everything that's been said since you were last here, before posting.
10:07	@Chouser	your apology is accepted. Try to do better.
10:07	mdeboard	lol
10:08	cshell	I've noticed that cemerick responds whenever you explicitly type his name
10:08	wmealing_	and if you say it three times
10:08	wmealing_	he appears behind you
10:08	cshell	haha
10:08	wmealing_	but only if you say it "chass" not "chase"
10:09	wmealing_	(i think its chas, right ?)
10:09	cemerick	wmealing_: I wish people would stop doing that; I have work to do, and phasing all over the world to spook people wears me out. :-P
10:09	hyPiRion	mdeboard: exactly. I'd really like something like http://vimeo.com/36579366#t=1008
10:10	mdeboard	hyPiRion: I think the vision ibdknox has for Light Table is dead on :)
10:10	@Chouser	cemerick: there is a fn provided by slime that evaluate a form and display the return value temporarily on a status line. I find I never use that fn.
10:10	cemerick	wmealing_: Yes, it's pronounced like "chaz" (though with a softer 'z' than if it were actually spelled that way, I'd say). It's hilarious when people pronounce it "chase".
10:10	cshell	Couldn't we put a hook on some of the def functions and capture everything that gets defined in the REPL and then have a function that spits it all back to us?
10:10	mdeboard	I pronounce it "Chuck"
10:10	cemerick	…or when people refer to my handle as if it had only three syllables, i.e. "semmerick"
10:11	@Chouser	cemerick: that's your name in my head
10:11	mdeboard	tumeric
10:11	cemerick	chouser: that's ok, I still don't have you and Chousuke straight in my head :-P
10:11	cshell	cemerick: I think of it as 'C-Em-er-ick'
10:11	@Chouser	heh
10:11	mdeboard	They're not hte same person?
10:11	mdeboard	huh.
10:11	hyPiRion	mdeboard: I was kind of let down by the 0.10-update, especially when one of the subtitles are "A new double click experience for Clojure"
10:11	wmealing_	is that an emacs key combo there cshell ?
10:11	mdeboard	hyPiRion: Why
10:12	@Chouser	wait, when did I get capitalized?
10:12	cshell	wmealing_: haha, we should implement one to be
10:13	hyPiRion	mdeboard: I never use my mouse when I'm programming anymore - just a decent window manager and emacs, and I'm there
10:13	cshell	I always thought chouser stood for channel operator user and was just a bot until I saw him typing in chat :)
10:13	mdeboard	hyPiRion: I think he means you can double-click the jar file and be ready to go
10:13	magopian	i guess most of the people here are using emacs then?
10:13	mdeboard	hyPiRion: No other installation required
10:13	@chouser	cshell: ha!
10:13	mdeboard	hyPiRion: That's waht I took from it.
10:14	magopian	man, i really can't get back to emacs, i'm too deep in vim now
10:14	mdeboard	magopian: You know it's not zero-sum right
10:14	magopian	(haven't tried using it with clojure yet though, i'm using light table most of the time)
10:14	magopian	mdeboard: didn't get that
10:14	mdeboard	magopian: You can use both :P
10:14	magopian	mdeboard: oh ok
10:14	chouser	magopian: use the "evil" package. eetsveryniiiice
10:15	magopian	well, i'm pretty sure my brain would overload, and my fingers would just finished all mixed up for good
10:15	hyPiRion	mdeboard: Ah. I felt the screenshot in that subsection refered to clicking on projects in leiningen: http://www.chris-granger.com/images/lightable/projects.png
10:15	cemerick	Maybe someone that knows the incantation(s) can map ~survey? or something to http://cemerick.com/2012/08/06/results-of-the-2012-state-of-clojure-survey/ so that an easy answer can be given to anyone asking about preferred editors/etc?
10:16	magopian	oh nice cemerick thanks i'll read that ;)
10:16	cemerick	magopian: :-)
10:16	mdeboard	Damn light table is cool, constantly impressed.
10:17	azkesz	~paste
10:17	clojurebot	paste is not gist.github.com
10:17	hyPiRion	~gist
10:17	clojurebot	gist is forget ~paste
10:17	azkesz	clojurebot which one is it then?
10:17	hyPiRion	heheh.
10:17	chouser	clojurebot: survey?
10:17	clojurebot	survey is http://cemerick.com/2011/07/11/results-of-the-2011-state-of-clojure-survey/
10:18	chouser	brb
10:18	hyPiRion	~survey
10:18	clojurebot	survey is http://cemerick.com/2012/08/06/results-of-the-2012-state-of-clojure-survey/
10:18	cemerick	stellar, thanks chouser
10:18	hyPiRion	there you go.
10:18	cemerick	or hyPiRion or whoever did it :-)
10:18	azkesz	chouser
10:18	hyPiRion	cemerick: I didn't.
10:19	azkesz	cljbin is dreaming
10:19	hyPiRion	"there you go." was probably a bad choice of words :)
10:19	scriptor_	so…clojurebot did it on its own?
10:19	mdeboard	It's learning.
10:19	mdeboard	~makemeasandwich
10:19	clojurebot	Excuse me?
10:19	mdeboard	darn.
10:19	azkesz	lol
10:20	azkesz	anyway, I did the between function but I don't like it because it's recursing, maybe I should use loop/recur or something
10:21	magopian	mdeboard: you missed the "sudo"
10:21	mdeboard	curses
10:21	chouser	azkesz: I have a version here that uses only every?, fn, and partition
10:22	azkesz	I didn't know how to use partition=)
10:22	magopian	partition <3
10:22	scriptor	partition's fairly straightforward
10:22	scriptor	,doc partition
10:22	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't take value of a macro: #'clojure.repl/doc, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
10:22	chouser	,(partition 3 2 '(1 a 2 b 3 c 4))
10:22	clojurebot	((1 a 2) (2 b 3) (3 c 4))
10:22	mdeboard	##(doc partition)
10:22	lazybot	⇒ "([n coll] [n step coll] [n step pad coll]); Returns a lazy sequence of lists of n items each, at offsets step apart. If step is not supplied, defaults to n, i.e. the partitions do not overlap. If a pad collection is supplied, use its elements as necessary to co... https://www.refheap.com/paste/4504
10:22	mdeboard	See
10:22	azkesz	oh
10:22	mdeboard	Those docs need to get cleaned up imo.
10:22	azkesz	i used the 2 param one :/
10:22	mdeboard	Impossible.
10:23	azkesz	the 3 param one which you said I should've used looks amazing, chouser
10:23	chouser	yep, pretty handy
10:24	hyPiRion	,(map (fn [[a b]] (- b a)) (partition 2 1 (map #(*%%) (range))))
10:24	clojurebot	(1 3 5 7 9 ...)
10:24	azkesz	there should be a site that gives newbies small "missions" to code certain things, would be awesome motivation to learn
10:25	hyPiRion	azkesz: like 4clojure?
10:26	scriptor	http://www.4clojure.com/
10:26	azkesz	yeah like that but a bit better=)
10:26	nbeloglazov	azkesz: in what way?
10:26	chouser	azkesz: your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to write the clojure code necessary to make 4clojure better.
10:26	hyPiRion	azkesz: I'm pretty sure they're open for comments, so if you have any suggestions, you should fire away
10:26	azkesz	chouser, that's a big mission=)
10:27	scriptor	azkesz: better in what way though, different kinds of exercises?
10:27	azkesz	nbeloglazov, hyPiRion, I'll think about it, but something along the lines of what I was trying to do here, doing small things in more than 1 ways
10:27	mefesto	Hey everyone :-)
10:28	hyPiRion	azkesz: Ah, so more than one way of doing things?
10:28	scriptor	a lot of the 4clojure exercises can be solved in different ways
10:29	scriptor	for example, there's the way I usually do it, and then there's the good way
10:29	azkesz	hyPiRion, yeah for starters, but usually starting from one problem you can get ramnifications into other things you could be doing
10:29	magopian	scriptor: haha, same here ;)
10:29	mefesto	Is it possible with clojure.tools.cli to support multi-valued options like this? $ java -jar myapp.jar -c config.clj -H k1=v1 -H k2=v2 ...
10:29	mdeboard	How do you articulate to your fellow devs that a project could be handled better by using a language that lends itself to concurrent programming?
10:29	hyPiRion	It's usually the emacs way, the unix way, and the wrong way.
10:29	nbeloglazov	What does '(map #(*%%) (range))' do? I mean anonymous function?
10:29	mefesto	so that when i check the opts it has a vector representing all the -H options uses?
10:29	mefesto	used*
10:30	hyPiRion	nbeloglazov: #(%%) = #( % %)
10:30	azkesz	,(#(*%%) 2 3)
10:30	clojurebot	#<ArityException clojure.lang.ArityException: Wrong number of args (2) passed to: sandbox$eval113$fn>
10:30	mdeboard	nbeloglazov: I dunno what #(*%%) does but -- yeah
10:30	mdeboard	what they said.
10:30	hyPiRion	All the squares.
10:30	azkesz	,(#(*%%) 2)
10:30	clojurebot	4
10:30	azkesz	how come it works without spaces?
10:30	hyPiRion	Because percent.
10:30	nbeloglazov	hyPiRion: hm, thanks. I always thought parser will parse *%% as 1 token
10:30	scriptor	azkesz: the reader considers each percent a separate thing
10:30	hyPiRion	,[*%%]
10:31	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: % in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
10:31	hyPiRion	oh dangit.
10:31	hyPiRion	,'[*%%]
10:31	clojurebot	[* % %]
10:31	scriptor	,(#(*%1%2) 1 2)
10:31	clojurebot	2
10:31	nbeloglazov	,'[*%a%b%c%&]
10:31	clojurebot	[* %a %b %c %&]
10:31	nbeloglazov	,'[*%a%b%cbb%&]
10:31	clojurebot	[* %a %b %cbb %&]
10:32	hyPiRion	Treat every occurence of "%" as " %".
10:32	nbeloglazov	Hm, but why? :)
10:32	mdeboard	unless it's preceded by a space already.
10:32	scriptor	nbeloglazov: because the reader does it for you, each % gets put into a separate token
10:33	hyPiRion	mdeboard: " " and " " are semantically equivalent ;)
10:33	mdeboard	u rite
10:34	nbeloglazov	scriptor: I don't understand why reader does this. Who needs it? I think #(* % %) better than #(*%%)
10:34	azkesz	,(#(*%1%%2) 4 5)
10:34	clojurebot	80
10:34	azkesz	,(#(*%%1%%2) 4 5)
10:34	clojurebot	320
10:34	scriptor	nbeloglazov: I doubt it was intentional, just a by-product of how it was written, '%%' will never be used to represent a single value, so why not?
10:35	scriptor	nbeloglazov: also, I don't think code like #(*%%) is actually used much
10:35	hyPiRion	I really hope it isn't.
10:35	nDuff	scriptor: ...well, there _is_ a valid "why not", because you're limiting the set of potentially available syntax for new reader features to be added later without breaking backwards compatibility with documented parts of the language.
10:37	magopian	anybody working for relevance here?
10:39	hyPiRion	My personal opinion is that the reader has been kind of muddy lately.
10:40	chouser	hyPiRion: lately? has something changed to make it worse?
10:41	hyPiRion	,(let [z# 10] `(~z# z#))
10:41	clojurebot	(10 z__87__auto__)
10:41	hyPiRion	chouser: Well, maybe not muddy, but there are a lot of special cases not documented.
10:42	chouser	the official line has always been, I think, that one should only depend on what's documented. Everything else is subject to change.
10:43	chouser	So I wouldn't recommend #(*%%) in code you want to still work in future versions of Clojure.
10:45	hyPiRion	chouser: Well, inc' and dec' are names which according to the current documentation are invalid, yet they're in core. I don't know whether that means it's okay to create functions named foo' or not.
10:46	hyPiRion	Mind you, I don't feel that the reader is bad, but I just believe the special cases should be documented, so that we know what to expect and what not to.
10:46	chouser	well, that's a nice example. Perhaps the docs need to be updated.
10:47	casion	hyPiRion: why are those invalid?
10:47	hyPiRion	casion: From the doc: "Symbols begin with a non-numeric character and can contain alphanumeric characters and *, +, !, -, _, and ? (other characters will be allowed eventually, but not all macro characters have been determined)"
10:47	lucian	casion: i think it's because 'foo is reader for (quote foo)
10:49	cemerick	hyPiRion: No part of Clojure (including the reader) has a spec associated with it, which is what I think you're after.
10:50	chouser	well, that and generally things that are outside the scope of defined behavior are left undefined rather than explicitly erroring out.
10:50	cemerick	I suppose that's splitting semantic hairs, but oh well.
10:50	`fogus	Hi everyone!
10:50	casion	hyPiRion: I was under the understanding that the arbitrary precision operators were going to change
10:50	chouser	`fogus: hi!
10:50	casion	that's why they are with the '
10:51	casion	they'll be removed at some future time and replaced with a different implementation
10:51	hyPiRion	Oh, many c's here now.
10:51	cemerick	casion: How did you get that impression?
10:51	`fogus	casion: They will?
10:52	casion	cemerick: I can't recall where I read it, but an example of using them I found online noted that
10:52	casion	which of course could be incorrect
10:52	casion	let me see if I can crawl my history and find it
10:53	azkesz	how do I check if something is a function aka IFn?
10:53	chouser	azkesz: ifn?
10:53	hyPiRion	ifn? or fn?
10:54	azkesz	IFn I guess
10:54	chouser	heh
10:54	azkesz	aka the interface?
10:54	azkesz	cause I'm trying to give relevant error when this happens: ClassCastException java.lang.Long cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn
10:54	azkesz	,(class defn)
10:54	chouser	The function "fn?" will return true for > but false for :keyword
10:54	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't take value of a macro: #'clojure.core/defn, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
10:54	casion	great, my browser search ignores single quote
10:55	magopian	azkesz: i think you're looking for "function?" aren't you?
10:55	azkesz	,(fn? +)
10:55	clojurebot	true
10:55	azkesz	yes thank you
10:55	magopian	what's the difference between fn? and function?
10:56	hyPiRion	magopian: function? doesn't exist, whereas fn? does
10:56	hyPiRion	I suppose.
10:56	magopian	hyPiRion: http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.test/function_q
10:57	azkesz	ok i did it, chouser=) that between function with partition
10:57	chouser	azkesz: nice.
10:57	hyPiRion	magopian: Ah, I've never poked around in clojure.test
10:58	scriptor	magopian: looks like function? also checks if it's not a macro
10:58	azkesz	I wonder if I can limit the functions passed to only those relevant, like passing + instead of > wouldn't make sense, should I have a list of allowed functions ?
10:58	scriptor	from glancing at its source
10:58	hyPiRion	,(clojure.test/function? 'concat)
10:58	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.test>
10:59	hyPiRion	Well, function? seems to resolve symbols.
10:59	magopian	hyPiRion: i just found it using the quicksearch on clojuredocs, i'm a noob ;)
10:59	cemerick	hah
10:59	cemerick	I blame stuartsierra ;-)
10:59	stuartsierra	Wait what?
10:59	cemerick	lol
10:59	chouser	hah
10:59	azkesz	this is what I mean, with 4closure, start with one problem and then expand from it until there are not many variants that you'd like to follow , the root of the tree would be the problem, then expand from it (I should get a specific example)
11:00	cemerick	Where's that scoreboard!? :-D
11:00	cemerick	stuartsierra: s'ok, my fingerprints are all over it too :-P
11:00	azkesz	,(fn? concat)
11:00	clojurebot	true
11:00	azkesz	,(fn? 'concat)
11:00	clojurebot	false
11:00	stuartsierra	The internals of clojure.test are a wild hairy ball of cruft and ill-applied macrology.
11:00	casion	cemerick: ah damnit, my info was from 1.3 development… since it's been added it's standard now I guess
11:01	stuartsierra	I was under the influence of too much time on my hands. I take no responsibility.
11:01	cemerick	stuartsierra: and despite that, it keeps on chugging along…
11:01	casion	and according to this post by rich: ' is now a constituent character. That means it may appear as a character in symbols in other than the first position, as can #
11:01	hyPiRion	I was kind of hoping that "too much time" would lead to a good design.
11:01	stuartsierra	I know. Too big to fail now.
11:02	cemerick	stuartsierra: Better start pitching "Clojure 2.0" with breaking changes while you've got your hands in the gears.
11:02	stuartsierra	Oh I have a list.
11:02	cemerick	…or, caught in the gears? ;-)
11:03	azkesz	,(clojure.test/function? concat)
11:03	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.test>
11:03	azkesz	is that ns not loaded or something?
11:03	hyPiRion	seems like it's not.
11:03	cemerick	,(require 'clojure.test)
11:03	clojurebot	nil
11:03	chouser	try the other bot
11:03	chouser	oh. or that.
11:03	cemerick	,(clojure.test/function? 'concat)
11:03	clojurebot	true
11:04	azkesz	lol you loaded itnice
11:04	hyPiRion	seems scary
11:05	azkesz	,(clojure.test/function? `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`''`concat)
11:05	azkesz	yeah I got the same :)
11:05	clojurebot	Execution Timed Out
11:06	azkesz	lol I didn't get that
11:06	azkesz	wonder how I stop it
11:06	nbeloglazov	,`concat
11:06	clojurebot	clojure.core/concat
11:06	nbeloglazov	,`'concat
11:06	clojurebot	(quote clojure.core/concat)
11:06	nbeloglazov	,```concat
11:06	clojurebot	(clojure.core/seq (clojure.core/concat (clojure.core/list (quote quote)) (clojure.core/list (quote clojure.core/concat))))
11:07	azkesz	oh i see what happens
11:07	nbeloglazov	Nice
11:07	hyPiRion	,(require '[clojure.test :rename {function? fn?} :refer [function?]])
11:07	clojurebot	#<SecurityException java.lang.SecurityException: denied>
11:07	hyPiRion	good.
11:08	azkesz	is there a deep count of elements in case of lists inside lists aka tree?
11:09	chouser	(count (flatten tree))
11:09	chouser	one of those few valid uses of flatten
11:10	cemerick	…except maps are incredibly common tree nodes
11:11	cemerick	zippers subsume all, per usual
11:11	chouser	or just tree-seq
11:11	chouser	wait, zippers work across mixed collection types?
11:11	azkesz	any chance I could make this count in real time? since it doesn't seem to ever end the computation: (count (flatten '(clojure.test/function? `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`''`concat)))
11:12	azkesz	or something like have another thread report the current counter
11:12	azkesz	only if I make my own tree parser?
11:13	cemerick	chouser: sure
11:13	cemerick	enlive is built on top of zippers
11:13	chouser	oh, but it provides its own zipper fns then. The ones in clojure.zip don't handle mixed, just xml and vectors I think
11:14	azkesz	nvm, it won't work anyway: ##((count (flatten '(clojure.test/function? `'`'`'`''`concat))))
11:14	lazybot	java.lang.ClassFormatError: Invalid method Code length 162965 in class file sandbox29188$eval38558
11:14	cemerick	right, yes
11:17	casion	,(time (count (re-seq #"\w+" (str '(:A (:B (:D) (:E)) (:C (:F)))))))
11:17	clojurebot	"Elapsed time: 75.789067 msecs"
11:17	clojurebot	6
11:17	casion	,(time (count (flatten '(:A (:B (:D) (:E)) (:C (:F))))))
11:17	clojurebot	"Elapsed time: 0.391996 msecs"
11:17	clojurebot	6
11:17	casion	lol
11:18	azkesz	maybe it's because of the regex thingy?
11:18	casion	the weird str version is always faster locally here
11:18	casion	by about 4-5%
11:19	casion	I'd assume it works correctly as collections are formatted properly?
11:19	chouser	one string with a space in it would break everything
11:20	chouser	maps would give different counts
11:20	azkesz	in this form: (= __ true) is it possible to get the exact value after the ___ and return it in place of the ___ ? by changing only the ___ ?
11:20	casion	chouser: there we go
11:20	pepijndevos	How can I make a synth that slides up/down when you change the freq?
11:20	casion	chouser: but if you know those aren't true, it does seem to be faster :)
11:20	azkesz	for example if "true" was "3"
11:20	nbeloglazov	,(doc =)
11:20	clojurebot	"([x] [x y] [x y & more]); Equality. Returns true if x equals y, false if not. Same as Java x.equals(y) except it also works for nil, and compares numbers and collections in a type-independent manner. Clojure's immutable data structures define equals() (and thus =) as a value, not an identity, comparison."
11:20	casion	pepijndevos: how are you generating the waveform?
11:20	chouser	casion: I'd be surprised if that were generally true. clojure printer is pretty slow
11:21	nbeloglazov	azkesz: = returns only true or false. You can't return 3
11:21	casion	chouser: I made a few tests with just nested collections of symbols and it's always faster here
11:21	casion	it's a silly idea anyway obviously
11:22	azkesz	nbeloglazov, but if I wanted to place some code in place of the ___ which would make any such form (= ___ x) where x can be anything, always return true
11:22	chouser	ah, yes.
11:22	chouser	azkesz: you're trying to trick 4clojure?
11:22	azkesz	nbeloglazov, doesn't seem to can be done by changing only the ___
11:22	azkesz	lol
11:23	mdeboard	gangnam style
11:23	azkesz	chouser, I'm expanding a tree from the root problem of (= ___ true) :D that's just what I normally think of when I saw that
11:23	casion	oppan gungnam style!
11:23	casion	whoop whoop
11:23	chouser	azkesz: http://clojure-log.n01se.net/date/2011-09-19.html#14:21
11:24	mdeboard	chouser: wow, lol. That is amazing.
11:25	casion	mdeboard: 안녕히 주무셨어요?
11:25	hyPiRion	hirr.
11:26	wmealing_	casion: been going through my head, ALL DAY
11:26	wmealing_	thanks for the reminder
11:26	mdeboard	casion: Nope
11:26	casion	:(
11:26	casion	I feel priviledged to have watched the premier of gungnam style
11:27	casion	and laughed my ass off for about 30 minutes, missing the first set
11:27	mdeboard	chouser: Can you just make that link the result for ~abstraction
11:27	mdeboard	~abstraction
11:27	clojurebot	Pardon?
11:27	casion	gangnam*
11:27	chouser	why "abstraction"?
11:28	mdeboard	chouser: Aren't those "general solution" forms abstractions of all correct answers into a general form (for that solution 'signature')
11:28	mdeboard	##(doc reify)
11:28	lazybot	⇒ "Macro ([& opts+specs]); reify is a macro with the following structure: (reify options* specs*) Currently there are no options. Each spec consists of the protocol or interface name followed by zero or more method bodies: protocol-or-interface-or-Object (methodNa... https://www.refheap.com/paste/4507
11:29	mdeboard	(reminding myself of reify)
11:30	chouser	ah, abstraction of 4clojure solutions. sure.
11:35	azkesz	I fail to understand this: #(reify Object (equals [_ _] (= %&))) but I've to admit initially I thought it would change .equals() to always return true regardless
11:36	chouser	azkesz: why did you stop thinking that?
11:36	azkesz	I didn't but I got stuck at %& no idea what that does
11:37	chouser	ah, yes. that's just a golfing trick.
11:37	azkesz	oh and also, I tried the (= 1 2) and false-d:)
11:37	azkesz	ok I guess, I did stop thinking that :/ I stand corrected lol
11:37	TimMc	,'#(%&) ; azkesz here's the expansion
11:37	clojurebot	(fn* [& rest__27#] (rest__27#))
11:37	TimMc	so that makes the fn literal take any number of arguments
11:38	azkesz	and use uniquely named var?
11:38	TimMc	Sure, but that's just for hygiene.
11:38	azkesz	what would you use if you didn't want it to be uniquely named?
11:39	TimMc	(= _) will always return true. (= %&) is a trick to both return true and make the fn literal take any # of args.
11:39	TimMc	azkesz: You wouldn't use a fn literal...
11:39	TimMc	(fn [& azkesz] (count azkesz))
11:40	azkesz	oh
11:40	scriptor	ohh, I have no idea why I was thinking (= %&) would be equivalent to (apply = %&)
11:40	scriptor	it's still just one value, a list
11:40	chouser	scriptor: right
11:40	TimMc	,(= 5)
11:40	clojurebot	true
11:40	azkesz	scriptor, that's quite helpful, was thinking the same
11:40	azkesz	,(= (1 2 3))
11:40	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Long cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn>
11:41	azkesz	,(= '(1 2 3))
11:41	clojurebot	true
11:41	scriptor	why can't it just return true? Or does it have to explicitly use %& somewhere?
11:41	TimMc	azkesz: The non-golfed version would be something like (fn [& ignore] (reify Object (equals [this other] true)))
11:42	TimMc	scriptor: The latter, otherwise it is nullary.
11:42	azkesz	how do you test that the reify worked? and would it work only for = or non overriden equals-es in subclasses (in case of using java methods)
11:43	azkesz	oh wait, it returns a function?
11:44	chouser	right, because 4clojure wants functions
11:44	azkesz	oh i see, it does reify and returns the true
11:44	TimMc	No, it returns a reified Object.
11:44	azkesz	ok i lost it
11:44	chouser	most 4clojure problems want a function of 1 or more args that returns a value that is equal to some test value
11:44	TimMc	The reified object's .equals returns true.
11:44	azkesz	timmc, ok i got it now=)
11:45	azkesz	ok so in my test case of (= ___ true) would not work :)
11:45	chouser	yeah, for that you'd just need the reify part, not the whole #(...)
11:46	chouser	except I'm not sure I quite understand what you want yet.
11:46	chouser	why does true work for ___?
11:46	chouser	doesn't
11:46	mk	4clojure does a straight replacement. So sometimes you'll see answers where people give fragments. Presumably even something like "...))((..." would compile.
11:47	TimMc	mk: Yes, I was quite annoyed when I discovered that one of the solutions was "+ 2".
11:47	scriptor	heh, right, it pretty much takes anything could follow '('
11:47	TimMc	It hink it has to be one or more valid forms, though.
11:47	gtrak	hey, is there a ring testing lib that has things like 'has-header?'
11:48	chouser	ditto. but once you accept that as the mechanism used, it opens a world of possibilities...
11:48	azkesz	chouser, I only mean that I was testing your code wrongly: 1. running it then testing (= 1 2) then 2. testing it on 4clojure for (= ___ true) problem, (but I didn't understand your last question)
11:49	mk	TimMc: amusing. Yeah, I think the best way to look at it is as "what would you type here" and not "pass me a function"
11:52	azkesz	,(.equals #(reify Object (equals [_ _] (= %&))) 1)
11:52	clojurebot	false
11:52	azkesz	what am I missing?:)
11:53	chouser	,(.equals (reify Object (equals [_ _] true)) 1)
11:53	clojurebot	WARNING: = already refers to: #'clojure.core/= in namespace: sandbox, being replaced by: #'clojure.core/=
11:53	clojurebot	true
11:53	mdeboard	,(= #(reify Object (equals [_ _] (= %&))) 1)
11:53	chouser	whoa
11:53	clojurebot	#<IllegalStateException java.lang.IllegalStateException: Attempting to call unbound fn: #'clojure.core/=>
11:53	mdeboard	acked
11:53	mdeboard	hacked
11:53	hyPiRion	Sorry
11:53	hyPiRion	my fault, I uninterned =
11:53	hyPiRion	or wait
11:54	hyPiRion	nevermind.
11:54	chouser	,(.equals (reify Object (equals [_ _] true)) 1)
11:54	clojurebot	true
11:54	mdeboard	,(= 1 1)
11:54	clojurebot	#<IllegalStateException java.lang.IllegalStateException: Attempting to call unbound fn: #'clojure.core/=>
11:54	mdeboard	someone broke clojurebot
11:54	mdeboard	##(= 1 1)
11:54	lazybot	⇒ true
11:54	chouser	,(require 'clojure.core)
11:54	clojurebot	nil
11:54	chouser	,(= 1 1)
11:54	clojurebot	#<IllegalStateException java.lang.IllegalStateException: Attempting to call unbound fn: #'clojure.core/=>
11:54	chouser	,(require 'clojure.core :reload)
11:54	clojurebot	nil
11:54	nbeloglazov	,=
11:54	clojurebot	#<Unbound Unbound: #'clojure.core/=>
11:54	chouser	,(= 1 1)
11:54	clojurebot	#<IllegalStateException java.lang.IllegalStateException: Attempting to call unbound fn: #'clojure.core/=>
11:54	chouser	shoot
11:54	mdeboard	:\|
11:55	SegFaultAX	Needs a restart?
11:56	mdeboard	,(.enumerate (reify Object (equals [_ _] true)) 1)
11:56	clojurebot	#<IllegalArgumentException java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No matching method found: enumerate for class sandbox$eval773$reify__774>
11:57	jsabeaudry	Anyone has had JVM
11:57	jsabeaudry	oops
11:58	chouser	,(= 1 1)
11:58	clojurebot	true
11:58	chouser	someone fixed it
11:58	chouser	,(= (reify Object (equals [_ _] true)) 1)
11:58	clojurebot	true
11:58	jsabeaudry	Anyone has had a jvm crash on libc frexp? Like such: http://pastebin.ca/2196808
12:00	azkesz	ok i got it, the # form returned a function which in turn returned the reified object, and the form without the # (and the golf) returned just the object
12:00	azkesz	(.equals (#(reify Object (equals [_ _] (= %&)))) 3)
12:00	azkesz	,(.equals (#(reify Object (equals [_ _] (= %&)))) 3)
12:00	clojurebot	true
12:00	azkesz	,(.equals (reify Object (equals [_ _] true)) 3)
12:00	clojurebot	true
12:02	mdeboard	chouser: Can you explain what happened there
12:02	mdeboard	,(.equals (reify Object (equals [_ _] true)) 1)
12:02	clojurebot	true
12:02	chouser	azkesz: right
12:03	azkesz	,(reify Object (equals [_ _] true))
12:03	clojurebot	#<sandbox$eval468$reify__469 sandbox$eval468$reify__469@79dd630a>
12:03	chouser	mdeboard: what part are you missing?
12:04	azkesz	what's this #<a b> ?
12:04	mdeboard	chouser: How that line you typed re-bound (?) the = symbol
12:04	mdeboard	,#<"a" "b">
12:04	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unreadable form>
12:04	hyPiRion	,(boo?)
12:04	clojurebot	true
12:04	hyPiRion	hmm...
12:04	azkesz	lol
12:04	hyPiRion	,(booboo?)
12:04	clojurebot	true
12:04	nbeloglazov	:)
12:04	azkesz	,(fn? booboo?)
12:04	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't take value of a macro: #'clojure.core/and, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:04	hyPiRion	heh.
12:05	azkesz	,(macro? 'booboo?)
12:05	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: macro? in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:05	nbeloglazov	,boo?
12:05	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't take value of a macro: #'clojure.core/and, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:05	azkesz	,(fn? 'booboo?)
12:05	clojurebot	false
12:05	azkesz	,(class 'booboo?)
12:05	clojurebot	clojure.lang.Symbol
12:05	azkesz	,(class booboo?)
12:05	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Can't take value of a macro: #'clojure.core/and, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:05	chouser	mdeboard: I didn't do anything to clojure.core/= It was somehow unbound in clojurebot and then fixed again. I don't know what happened.
12:05	mdeboard	IRC bots are kind of like kittens.
12:05	azkesz	oh right, macro is no class=)
12:05	mdeboard	chouser: Weird
12:05	hyPiRion	Read the exception.
12:06	nbeloglazov	,(and true false)
12:06	clojurebot	false
12:06	azkesz	,(source booboo?)
12:06	clojurebot	Source not found
12:06	mdeboard	,(or (and true false) (and false false))
12:06	clojurebot	false
12:06	hyPiRion	,(= 1 1)
12:06	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: = in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:07	azkesz	again?
12:07	hyPiRion	Okay, so I can in fact unintern it.
12:07	chouser	,(meta #'booboo?)
12:07	clojurebot	{:macro true, :ns #<Namespace clojure.core>, :name and, :arglists ([] [x] [x & next]), :added "1.0", ...}
12:07	azkesz	lol
12:07	mdeboard	hyPiRion: Are you using some admin command or?
12:07	hyPiRion	mdeboard: Nope, just clojure commands.
12:07	azkesz	,#'booboo?
12:07	clojurebot	#'clojure.core/and
12:08	azkesz	I need to lookup what #' does
12:08	chouser	,(var boo?)
12:08	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve var: boo? in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:08	chouser	,(var booboo?)
12:08	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve var: booboo? in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:08	chouser	heh, he got rid of it
12:08	chouser	azkesz: #'foo is just short for (var foo)
12:08	hyPiRion	,(var boo?)
12:08	clojurebot	#'clojure.core/and
12:09	azkesz	oh thanks
12:09	chouser	var is a special operator
12:09	azkesz	you can talk to clojurebot on private ?
12:09	chouser	like if and quote
12:09	chouser	azkesz: yes, presumably that's what hyPiRion is up to
12:10	azkesz	,(fn? if)
12:10	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: if in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:10	azkesz	i was wondering the same thing
12:10	azkesz	,#'if
12:10	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve var: if in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:10	chouser	,(doc if)
12:10	clojurebot	No entiendo
12:10	azkesz	lol
12:10	hyPiRion	What
12:10	hyPiRion	I don't think I did that.
12:10	chouser	azkesz: try (doc if) at a repl
12:10	azkesz	ok
12:11	azkesz	,(var)
12:11	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.NullPointerException, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:12	azkesz	,(var (var))
12:12	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.PersistentList cannot be cast to clojure.lang.Symbol, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:12	azkesz	,(var '(var))
12:12	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.Cons cannot be cast to clojure.lang.Symbol, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:12	hyPiRion	,(var var)
12:12	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve var: var in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:12	hyPiRion	,(var +)
12:12	clojurebot	#'clojure.core/+
12:12	azkesz	the errors were interesting
12:15	azkesz	,#ssss"1"
12:15	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: No reader function for tag ssss>
12:15	azkesz	can I have an example with that?
12:21	azkesz	this seems relevant: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12022686/what-advantage-are-clojures-1-4-reader-literals-and-why-wont-sample-compile
12:29	hyPiRion	Oh well, who's in charge of clojurebot nowadays?
12:29	azkesz	that made me wonder if #_ is a reader form and also if I can use it for complement (looks like I can't)
12:29	azkesz	,((complement #_ ) 1)
12:29	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: pr-str in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:29	azkesz	makes sense, it's not a function=)
12:30	hyPiRion	azkesz: Read the exception
12:30	azkesz	hyPiRion that's different than what I got
12:31	hyPiRion	,1
12:31	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: pr-str in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:31	azkesz	lol
12:31	azkesz	pr-str
12:31	azkesz	,pr-str
12:31	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: pr-str in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:31	azkesz	,(pr-str 1)
12:31	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: pr-str in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
12:31	hyPiRion	Just wait until it restarts, I kind of broke it.
12:31	azkesz	ok
12:32	azkesz	I wonder if I can do this: (= #dup true)
12:33	hyPiRion	azkesz: If you make a reader, it may be doable. It's not exactly correct use of readers though.
12:33	i_s	anyone know a good way to get the string output of clojure.pprint/pprint?
12:34	i_s	(or something similar)
12:34	_zach	i_s: (with-out-str ...)
12:35	azkesz	hyPiRion, like this here? https://gist.github.com/2399254
12:35	i_s	_zach: cool, thank you
12:35	pepijndevos	overtone randomly broke down :(
12:36	hyPiRion	azkesz: I don't believe that's the correct usage - I thought they were for message passing from one clojure to another
12:37	hyPiRion	But I've not used them, so I may be wrong, of course.
12:37	hyPiRion	,((complement #_ ) 1)
12:37	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unmatched delimiter: )>
12:37	azkesz	yeah that's the right error
12:38	azkesz	,#_ 1 2
12:38	clojurebot	2
12:43	nz-	how lein actually works if I have compiled the project and then change a single file and recompile?
12:44	hyPiRion	nz-: It looks at the timestamps of the files, I guess.
12:44	hyPiRion	That's what "make" do at least.
12:44	nz-	and notices that .clj is newer that .class? but what happens then?
12:45	S11001001	nz-: it doesn't recursively recompile dependents if that's what you're asking
12:45	technomancy	nz-: it will only recompile the file that changed
12:45	S11001001	nz-: put less stuff in macros
12:45	technomancy	(plus everything it requires)
12:45	technomancy	hyPiRion: right
12:46	nz-	currently I have situation where: lein clean; lein midje and lein clean; touch file.clj ; lein midje give different results
12:46	nz-	and midje runs bunch of unit tests
12:49	nz-	actually lein clean; lein compile; touch file.clj; lein midje gives different result than without touching
12:50	nz-	and file.clj is full of macro evaluations, that work if file is touched
12:54	azkesz	,(require 'clojure.core :reload)
12:54	clojurebot	nil
12:55	nz-	the problem is that it should work like it is working when the file is touched
12:55	nz-	basically file.clj contains a bunch of call to these: https://github.com/budu/lobos/blob/master/src/lobos/migration.clj#L104
12:56	azkesz	sounds like, if you clean but all were loaded, it won't do :reload on them, but if the file was modified it will (that's how I understand it)
12:57	nz-	:reload is repl thing? all these happen without repl
12:58	azkesz	you may be right, i'm new:) but I mean, whatever is the equivant of reload if not the require :reload itself
13:00	technomancy	nz-: you should never have to run compile by hand; it gets invoked automatically for you when needed
13:00	azkesz	what I know is that all "places" where that macro is used must be reloaded if the macro changed, else it'll use the old macro
13:01	azkesz	":reload can be replaced with :reload-all to reload all libraries that are used either
13:01	azkesz	directly or indirectly by the specified library. "
13:02	azkesz	that means if I modify my macro file, a :reload-all on it should be done right?
13:02	hyPiRion	azkesz: In the repl, yes.
13:03	azkesz	hyPiRion, what are the other cases?
13:04	azkesz	oh like when a command line is invoked like lein something?
13:06	nz-	i think i shouldn't need any reloading, since I am just running the whole program via command line
13:06	technomancy	nz-: if you avoid AOT as much as possible a lot of these problems go away
13:06	azkesz	hyPiRion, if lein detects a changed file doesn't it run the same require/reload internally?
13:06	technomancy	do you have any gen-class or the like required?
13:08	tantamountain	I've got a little question—is it ever possible for clojure.string/split to return an empty collection, or nil?
13:11	nz-	I had :main foo.bar in project.clj, removing it seemed to help
13:12	hyPiRion	tantamountain: yeah, it can return an empty vector if the whole string matches the regex
13:12	tantamountain	Excellent! Thank you so much.
13:13	hyPiRion	,(clojure.string/split "Hello world. This matches everything" #".+")
13:13	clojurebot	[]
13:13	azkesz	wow, didn't see that coming
13:13	nz-	yes, the :main directive seems to cause AOT compilation
13:16	nz-	but having gen-class on same place where :main was pointing doesn't cause this problem
13:24	nz-	technomancy: thanks for the hint!
13:25	nz-	now the next problem is how to have executable uberjar without :main
13:25	hyPiRion	without :main?
13:25	technomancy	you can do java -cp my-standalone.jar clojure.main -m my.main.namespace
13:26	nz-	i'd like to have java -jar package.jar
13:26	technomancy	can't do that without AOT unfortunately
13:26	nz-	:(
13:26	technomancy	the java CLI launcher is horrible
13:26	technomancy	in case it escaped your notice =\
13:27	nz-	couldn't I have a some kind of java wrapper as a launcher?
13:28	technomancy	oh, there is the lein-otf plugin; you could try that
13:29	llasram	nz-: Oh yeah, if you're using lein2, I have a lein2-compatible fork: https://github.com/llasram/lein-otf
13:30	llasram	My version ultimately doesn't AOT any Clojure code at all, which gives me pedantry giggles, or something
13:31	llasram	You'll still need a :main, but you can say `:main ^:skip-aot my.cool.namespace`
13:32	nz-	llasram: that skip-aot is not mentioned in github readme, BTW
13:38	nz-	works like a charm
13:39	nz-	does otf give a performance hit compared to aot?
13:42	azkesz	,(+ 1( (fn one [x] (+ ((fn two [y] (if (< y 10) (one (+ y 2)) (* y 2)) ) x) 7) ) 6))
13:42	clojurebot	42
13:42	pjstadig	~suddenly
13:42	clojurebot	CLABANGO!
13:48	lynaghk	ping: dnolen
13:48	dnolen	lynaghk: pong
13:49	lynaghk	dnolen: grammar of graphics in clojure needs to sit on my mind for a bit
13:49	dnolen	lynaghk: as in - it's still fermenting?
13:49	lynaghk	dnolen: just added you as a collaborator on the repo so you can check it out, if you want to take it for a spin. Everything it can do is in tests.clj. Might put together static examples + calling code on a plain HTML page later this week
13:50	lynaghk	dnolen: a fair bit is implemented, but the API is by no means finalized. In particular Hadley just put out a very interesting preprint about nesting graphics (a generalized approach to faceting, basically)
13:50	lynaghk	dnolen: so I will probably rewrite to incorporate that.
13:50	cemerick	wow, clojure-maven-plugin sets up tests such that unqualified use of resolve doesn't wok.
13:51	cemerick	work, even.
13:51	dhm	dnolen: where's the best discussion going on about clojurescript?
13:52	dnolen	lynaghk: yeah I saw that PDF, very cool.
13:53	nz-	llasram, technomancy: thanks for the help.
13:53	lynaghk	dnolen: how/where? Are you on that list?
13:55	dnolen	lynaghk: he posted it to the list.
13:55	dnolen	dhm: here or on the Clojure mailing list
13:55	dhm	thanks
13:56	lynaghk	dnolen: hmmm, I didn't know you were interested in the wonderful world of statistical graphics.
13:57	dnolen	lynaghk: well I sit right next to the NYT graphics desk so it's hard to not be interested. I don't do data graphics but I do love Tufte's writing on the subject.
13:57	lynaghk	dnolen: anyway, if you have time+interest, I'd love some feedback on the architecture of my current prototype. I'm trying to keep the design as straightforward as possible right now, but I'm interested to see what can change for improved performance (e.g., using reducers)
13:58	lynaghk	dnolen: you lucky bastard =)
14:01	dnolen_	lynaghk: reducers on Clojure side or ClojureScript side?
14:02	lynaghk	dnolen_: either. I'm focusing on Clojure for static graphics at the moment, but will turn to cljs before the end of the year
14:04	dnolen_	lynaghk: I've done a little bit of work in hopes to improve the performance of reducers in CLJS land - adding array-reduce was one step towards that end.
14:06	lynaghk	dnolen_: I haven't given it a ton of thought aside from "oh hey, this process is just calling map 20 times across the same data---maybe I should use reducers!". Getting the semantics + API solidified is more important. ggplot in R is pretty slow, so right now it's an easy bar = )
14:07	lynaghk	dnolen_: anyway, I've got to run for now. I'll ping you if I make any interesting progress.
14:07	dnolen_	lynaghk: later.
14:09	holo	hi
14:11	holo	there is a System/getenv function to get an env string. what is the most idiomatic way of doing the opposite? like System/setenv ?
14:12	technomancy	holo: unfortunately the JVM makes this basically impossible
14:12	technomancy	the environment is more or less immutable
14:19	holo	technomancy, i see. thanks
14:22	llasram	nz-: Oh, good point on the ^:skip-aot. Updated README
14:23	llasram	nz-: Performance: might be slightly slower, but I've never quantified it. Might be good to know!
14:24	technomancy	full AOT definitely speeds up boot
14:25	technomancy	nz-: another option is to do a full compile only upon release rather than putting it at the top-level of project.clj
14:26	S11001001	technomancy, holo: if it's subprocess-related, I believe you can pass an environment with your spawns
14:26	technomancy	:aliases {"release" ["do" "compile" ":all," "uberjar," "clean"]}
14:26	nz-	technomancy: how to do that? with profiles?
14:26	technomancy	nz-: profiles or aliases
14:28	nz-	i still dont get why the aot made my program work incorrectly and partial recompilation made it work correctly
14:28	technomancy	there's a lot of magic in midje; that would be the first place I'd look
14:29	nz-	it was not midje, since running the actual program had same behavior, more likely i would point fingers at lobos
14:29	technomancy	but in general AOT is best reserved for "end of the line"
14:29	technomancy	oh, gotcha
14:30	acheng	korma question: anyone know how to use where...in without a subselect?
14:31	holo	S11001001, thanks
14:32	nz-	acheng: like this? https://github.com/RuuviTracker/ruuvitracker_server/blob/master/src/ruuvi_server/database/event_dao.clj#L22
14:34	acheng	nz-: sure... if ids is coming in as a regular sequence and not the result of another select
14:36	nz-	lobos had some kind of thing where macros register stuff to an atom
14:38	gfredericks	ibdknox: ping
14:40	nz-	acheng: so what kind of sql select you would like as the result?
14:41	nz-	acheng: select * from tbl1 where id in (select some_id from tbl2) ?
14:44	lynaghk	ping: emezeske
14:46	acheng	nz-: ah ok. (where (in :foo (list 1 2 3))) works as you'd expect. thanks!
14:47	acheng	nz-: my initial test of it had an unrelated error. that's what my problem was
14:50	SegFaultAX	Has anyone heard of datomic being used in production?
14:50	SegFaultAX	Is it even production worthy?
14:50	azkesz	datomic, i like that, next on my list to learn
14:51	jsabeaudry	I'm getting a SIGV_MAPERR in 'JavaThread "C2 CompilerThread1" daemon'. Anyone knows anything about that thread?
14:51	SegFaultAX	azkesz: I just got done watching Hickey's presentation on it. It seems like it's full of some pretty fantastic ideas.
14:51	azkesz	yes indeed, I watched that twice , I still need to rewatch it after I learn some clojure=)
14:52	azkesz	it certainly seems better that what I wanted to use before, namely berkeleydb je
15:03	mattmoss	Is there a library fn for doing this pattern I keep repeating in my macros? (symbol (str "foo" "/" "bar"))
15:04	Chousuke	mattmoss: why would you do that?
15:04	mattmoss	in a macro
15:04	mattmoss	I could be stupid, too.
15:05	mattmoss	"foo" and "bar" are replaced by arguments to defmacro
15:05	Chousuke	you can do ~'foo/bar
15:05	Chousuke	to get the symbol as it is
15:06	mattmoss	,(let [foo "hello" bar "world"] `(~'foo/bar))
15:06	clojurebot	(foo/bar)
15:06	mattmoss	,(let [foo "hello" bar "world"] `(~foo/bar))
15:06	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: No such namespace: foo, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
15:07	mattmoss	,(let [foo "hello" bar "world"] `(~(symbol (str foo "/" bar))))
15:07	clojurebot	(hello/world)
15:07	mattmoss	that's what I want
15:10	llasram	,(symbol "foo" "bar")
15:10	clojurebot	foo/bar
15:12	mattmoss	well, mend me with yarn...
15:13	mattmoss	llasram: thanks. I missed the obvious.
15:13	llasram	happens to us all :-)
15:16	sindikat	hello everyone! how do i turn [[0 :a] [1 :b] ...] into [[1 :a] [2 :b] ...] by using map? can't find the solution
15:16	emezeske	lynaghk: yo
15:17	scriptor	sindikat: think about it, map gets passes a function, the function takes a single argument, an element in the list
15:17	xeqi	do you have a function to turn [0 :a] into [1 :a] ?
15:17	sindikat	xeqi: i could write an anonymous one
15:17	sindikat	(map #(+ 1 (first %)) (map-indexed vector [:a :a :a])) just returns (1 1 1)
15:17	nz-	,(map (fn [[key value]] [(inc key) value]) [[0 :a] [1 :b]])
15:17	clojurebot	([1 :a] [2 :b])
15:18	sindikat	aha
15:18	sindikat	(map #(vector (+ 1 (first %)) (second %)) (map-indexed vector [:a :a :a]))
15:18	llasram	,(map-indexed vector (range 5))
15:18	clojurebot	([0 0] [1 1] [2 2] [3 3] [4 4])
15:18	lynaghk	emezeske: hey dude
15:18	lynaghk	emezeske: writing up a lein cljsbuild issue right now.
15:18	llasram	sindikat: The issue is that map-indexed calls it's provided function with 2 args, not a 2-tuple as one arg
15:18	emezeske	lynaghk: uh oh!
15:19	sindikat	nz-: is that destructuring you used?
15:19	nz-	yep
15:19	lynaghk	emezeske: https://github.com/emezeske/lein-cljsbuild/issues/119
15:19	sindikat	nz-: very elegant, thanks
15:20	nz-	,(into [] (map (fn [[key value]] [(inc key) value]) [[0 :a] [1 :b]]))
15:20	clojurebot	[[1 :a] [2 :b]]
15:20	nz-	now it is vector and not a list
15:22	lynaghk	emezeske: I have to head out right now, but take a look at the issue. If it seems doable and you'd welcome a patch, I can put in a pull request later today.
15:23	emezeske	lynaghk: Sure
15:23	emezeske	lynaghk: I will try to comment on it later today
15:23	lynaghk	emezeske: cool, thanks man!
15:32	sindikat	nz-: why couldn't i use vec? because into lazily produces vector from the start, while vec instantly converts seq to vector?
15:34	nz-	,(vec (map (fn [[key value]] [(inc key) value]) [[0 :a] [1 :b]]))
15:34	clojurebot	[[1 :a] [2 :b]]
15:34	nz-	seems to work also
15:35	nz-	basically i have used into before but not vec
15:35	sindikat	intuitively i think into is more correct way here than vec, but i can't explain
15:38	null-	clojurescript requires the JVM too right?
15:39	scottj	null-: for compilation, yes
15:39	null-	ok
15:44	SegFaultAX	nz-: The use of into in your example seems like a really bad idea.
15:45	sindikat	SegFaultAX: that is what i'm interested in too
15:45	SegFaultAX	sindikat: The answer is simple really. Using vec will happen as a single operation.
15:45	sindikat	so, my question is: if i want to use map over some vector to produce another vector, is the canonical way to just (vec (map ... some-vector)) ?
15:45	SegFaultAX	sindikat: Using into like that effectively expands into (reduce conj [] (map-indexed ...))
15:46	SegFaultAX	sindikat: Which means you have a bunch of intermediate (read: throwaway) objects.
15:46	sindikat	SegFaultAX: you mean vec is more effecient then?
15:46	SegFaultAX	sindikat: I think so.
15:48	hyPiRion	,(vec (map #(update-in % 0 inc) [[0 :a] [1 :b]]))
15:48	clojurebot	#<UnsupportedOperationException java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: nth not supported on this type: Long>
15:48	hyPiRion	,(vec (map #(update-in % [0] inc) [[0 :a] [1 :b]]))
15:48	clojurebot	[[1 :a] [2 :b]]
15:49	SegFaultAX	sindikat: I'm almost certain, yes. The source for vec simply calls the clojure.lang.LazilyPersistentVector constructor.
15:50	SegFaultAX	hyPiRion: That seems like a bad idea for the same reason as above.
15:52	amalloy	SegFaultAX: (persistent! (reduce conj! (transient []) ...))
15:52	nz-	SegFaultAX: what is wrong with into?
15:53	nz-	ah, ok
15:53	SegFaultAX	amalloy: Oh right. I guess what I said would only apply if it weren't a java collection.
15:53	amalloy	&(let [coll (doall (range 1000000))] (time (vec coll)))
15:54	lazybot	⇒ "Elapsed time: 684.977221 msecs" [0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90...
15:54	amalloy	&(let [coll (doall (range 1000000))] (time (into [] coll)))
15:54	sindikat	what is the way to produce the indexed vector from 1 in the first place? i don't want to use map-indexed and then increment every first element of the pair
15:54	lazybot	⇒ "Elapsed time: 305.938821 msecs" [0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90...
15:54	hyPiRion	There will probably be some cache here.
15:54	SegFaultAX	amalloy: Wow. Why is it so much faster?
15:55	hyPiRion	&(let [coll (doall (range 1000000))] (time (vec coll)))
15:55	eddie_	hello #clojure. What approach you suggest for a simple webpage scraping? I think about: openstream, bufferedreader, inputstreamreader and then regex for the links... any better idea? Thank you so much...
15:55	lazybot	⇒ "Elapsed time: 402.381485 msecs" [0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90...
15:55	SegFaultAX	Oh, well that's much more reasonable.
15:55	hyPiRion	Never trust a single attempt.
15:55	nz-	&(let [coll (doall (range 1000000))] (time (into [] coll)))
15:55	S11001001	eddie_: tagsoup or nekohtml
15:55	amalloy	shrug the important thing is you made performance recommendations without any idea what's actually faster
15:55	lazybot	⇒ "Elapsed time: 321.234653 msecs" [0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90...
15:55	nz-	still faster
15:56	SegFaultAX	amalloy: True.
15:56	SegFaultAX	amalloy: It was just a guess.
15:56	SegFaultAX	sindikat: It seems my assumptions were wrong.
15:56	amalloy	personally i prefer vec, because if (into [] x) is better than (vec x) there is literally no reason for vec to exist
15:57	SegFaultAX	amalloy: I really thought that constructor would have a more optimized implementation.
15:57	eddie_	thank you so much S11001001 ...
15:57	amalloy	SegFaultAX: it does in some cases, although my understanding is there are some pitfalls
15:57	S11001001	amalloy: aye :)
15:58	SegFaultAX	amalloy: I'd have thought it was just call conj on its internal vector like conj! is doing.
15:58	SegFaultAX	.conj, that is.
15:58	amalloy	eg, (vec some-java-array) seems to (sometimes?) just return a vector that wraps the underlying array, so that changes to the array appear as changes in the vector
16:00	sindikat	amalloy: to solve this mistery once and for all i created a question on StackOverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/q/12044181/596361 - any ideas on how can improve my question? seems sorta vague currently
16:01	hyPiRion	Oh dog
16:01	S11001001	sindikat: into [] is not reduce conj, into uses transients when it can; also, into is safer
16:01	hyPiRion	,(mapv #(update-in % [0] inc) [[0 :a] [1 :b]])
16:02	clojurebot	[[1 :a] [2 :b]]
16:02	hyPiRion	tadaaa
16:02	hyPiRion	Why didn't I think of that before.
16:03	azkesz	what is a function that will do coll pred coll for each of their elements?
16:03	amalloy	sindikat: start by questioning why you want it to be a vector in the first place. usually you're fine with a lazy sequence
16:03	hyPiRion	azkesz: coll pred coll?
16:04	azkesz	hyPiRion, like map does but between two collections
16:04	sindikat	amalloy: in this particular situation i think i don't need a lazy seq, because i print the vector instantly after it is calculated
16:04	azkesz	hypirion, [1 2 3 4] + [5 6 7 8] => [6 8 10 12]
16:04	hyPiRion	,(map + [1 2 3 4] [5 6 7 8])
16:04	clojurebot	(6 8 10 12)
16:04	hyPiRion	?
16:04	S11001001	azkesz: you mean like covariant functor map? good luck
16:05	azkesz	hyPiRion lol, that's the one, why so simple darn it=)
16:05	dsrguru	anyone know of a good vim plugin for commenting and uncommenting clojure code? nerdcommenter doesn't seem to handle multiple semicolons well.
16:05	azkesz	S11001001, what did you mean?
16:05	S11001001	azkesz: oh, never mind
16:06	sindikat	S11001001: what did you mean by "into is safer"?
16:07	S11001001	,(let [o (to-array [1,2,3]) v (vec o)] [(v 1) (do (aset o 1 42) (v 1))]) ; sindikat
16:07	clojurebot	[2 42]
16:07	dnolen_	ibdknox: ping
16:07	aperiodic	dsrguru: I just use i#_ and/or <C-v>[movement]I;
16:08	sindikat	offtopic: how is that measuring elapsed time called as one word?
16:09	hyPiRion	measuring elapsed time? timetracking?
16:09	hyPiRion	It's very much dependant on context, I believe. ;)
16:10	Gnosis-	In my ns form, I have (:use [clojure.zip :as z]), but it doesn't seem to be working properly. It's defining both next and z/next as clojure.zip/next, when it should only be defining z/next, etc.
16:10	sindikat	hyPiRion: amalloy used it some minutes ago in the channel
16:11	dsrguru	aperiodic: well, how do you quickly uncomment? (both for ; and #_)
16:11	sindikat	hyPiRion: benchmark?
16:11	hyPiRion	sindikat: yeah
16:12	nz-	,(doc mapv)
16:12	clojurebot	"([f coll] [f c1 c2] [f c1 c2 c3] [f c1 c2 c3 & ...]); Returns a vector consisting of the result of applying f to the set of first items of each coll, followed by applying f to the set of second items in each coll, until any one of the colls is exhausted. Any remaining items in other colls are ignored. Function f should accept number-of-colls arguments."
16:14	azkesz	,(hash-map :keys [:a :b :a :c] :values [1 2 3 4])
16:14	clojurebot	{:keys [:a :b :a :c], :values [1 2 3 4]}
16:15	emezeske	Gnosis-: You're sure that the naked "next" is not just clojure.core/next ?
16:15	hyPiRion	,(zipmap [:a :b :c :d] [1 2 3 4]) ; azkesz: Is this what you want?
16:15	clojurebot	{:d 4, :c 3, :b 2, :a 1}
16:15	azkesz	yes thank god=)
16:16	azkesz	I've been failing to find that offline
16:17	azkesz	but I did remember some case where they used "keys", maybe to extract only the keys from a keymap, then that's something else which I don't want
16:22	azkesz	is there something like: (zipmap + [:a :b :a :a] [1 2 3 4]) ;=> [:a 8 :b 2]
16:22	Gnosis-	emezeske: I figured it out; I needed to use :require, not :use
16:23	emezeske	Gnosis-: Oh! Heh, my brain just translated :use to :require when it saw the :as stuff :)
16:23	amalloy	you probably want merge-with +, azkesz
16:24	azkesz	sounds good, I'll check
16:24	amalloy	&(apply merge-with + (for [[k v] (map vector [:a :b :a :a] [1 2 3 4])] {k v}))
16:24	lazybot	⇒ {:b 2, :a 8}
16:24	Gnosis-	emezeske: it seems like Clojure should complain if it sees an :as with :use
16:24	sindikat	stupid question: how to create a lazy sequence from 1 to infinity?
16:25	amalloy	(iterate inc 1)? (rest (range))?
16:25	emezeske	Gnosis-: Yeah, I would have expected a complaint -- I didn't know :use would allow that.
16:26	azkesz	amalloy, wow I would not have guessed that with merge...
16:28	nz-	,(doc iterate)
16:28	clojurebot	"([f x]); Returns a lazy sequence of x, (f x), (f (f x)) etc. f must be free of side-effects"
16:30	nz-	what does it mean that "f must be free of side-effects"? that the side effects are executed in unpredictable times? or that the iterate function doesn't work if f does side effects?
16:31	duck1123	it really should be "SHOULD be free" It's legal to have side effects, but expect them to fire an unpredictable number of times
16:41	azkesz	,(apply merge (for [k [1 2 3 6]] #{k})) ; is this supposed to happen?
16:41	clojurebot	#{1 #{2} #{3} #{6}}
16:41	SegFaultAX	azkesz: What are you trying to do exactly?
16:42	azkesz	SegFaultAX, just testing really
16:42	azkesz	SegFaultAX, I would've expected maybe #{ 1 2 3 6}
16:42	azkesz	,(merge #{1} #{2})
16:42	clojurebot	#{1 #{2}}
16:43	amalloy	merge is for maps. whatever it does on sets is just random coincidence
16:43	azkesz	,(merge {:1 :1} {:2 :2})
16:43	clojurebot	{:2 :2, :1 :1}
16:43	Raynes	,(into #{1} #{2})
16:43	clojurebot	#{1 2}
16:43	hyPiRion	,(clojure.set/union #{1} #{2})
16:43	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.set>
16:43	hyPiRion	,(require 'clojure.set)
16:43	clojurebot	nil
16:43	hyPiRion	,(clojure.set/union #{1} #{2})
16:43	azkesz	but weren't sets based on maps? or I misforgot something=)
16:43	clojurebot	#{1 2}
16:43	SegFaultAX	Misforgot?
16:43	Raynes	He accidentally forgot not to forget.
16:44	Raynes	I guess.
16:44	azkesz	I remember something like sets having same key/val
16:44	SegFaultAX	Raynes: That's what I understood, too.
16:44	azkesz	I meant, that a merge between forgot and misunderstand :)
16:45	azkesz	I may wrongly remember that sets are internally hashmaps with same key/val
16:45	azkesz	so I figured that merge would've worked or something
16:46	azkesz	,(sorted-set 1 2 1)
16:46	clojurebot	#{1 2}
16:47	azkesz	,(class (sorted-set 1 2 1))
16:47	clojurebot	clojure.lang.PersistentTreeSet
16:47	azkesz	,(class #{1})
16:47	clojurebot	clojure.lang.PersistentHashSet
16:47	Raynes	misunderforgot
16:47	azkesz	lol
16:48	hyPiRion	Sets are implemented as a hash map where key and value are the same value.
16:49	hyPiRion	But you shouldn't treat them as such.
16:49	scriptor	looks like it can use anything that's an IPersistentMap to store the elements
16:49	azkesz	,(clojure.set/union (for [k [1 2 3 6]] #{k}))
16:49	clojurebot	(#{1} #{2} #{3} #{6})
16:49	l1x	hey ho hi everybody
16:49	azkesz	,(apply clojure.set/union (for [k [1 2 3 6]] #{k}))
16:49	clojurebot	#{1 2 3 6}
16:49	scriptor	but yes, that's just incidental, don't treat them as maps
16:49	azkesz	hyPiRion, cool
16:49	l1x	would sombody hit me with some hints why i fail here -> https://gist.github.com/3407691#comments
16:50	llasram	l1x: Because map returns a sequence?
16:50	llasram	s,sequence,lazy sequence,
16:51	emezeske	l1x: The problem probably has to do with a dynamic binding interacting badly with a lazy-seq
16:51	emezeske	l1x: Assuming that jmx/with-connection sets a dynamic binding behind the scenes
16:52	llasram	emezeske, l1x: Or even just keeps a connection open for its dynamic scope
16:52	l1x	so have you seen the error message in the comments section?
16:52	emezeske	llasram, l1x: Good point
16:53	emezeske	l1x: http://kotka.de/blog/2009/11/Taming_the_Bound_Seq.html
16:53	emezeske	l1x: http://cemerick.com/2009/11/03/be-mindful-of-clojures-binding/
16:53	emezeske	l1x: Those might be helpful
16:53	l1x	kk
16:53	emezeske	l1x: The thing you need to think about is "when is getCanonicalName actually called"
16:54	emezeske	l1x: Part of the answer is "not while the connection is open"
16:54	l1x	wait, the first part is ok
16:54	l1x	(map (memfn getCanonicalName) (jmx/mbean-names "hadoop:*")))))
16:54	l1x	this works perfectly
16:54	l1x	my problem is that i cant apply the second map to this ^
16:55	l1x	and the error message is coming from the jmx layer saying there is no such a mbean
16:55	scriptor	jmx/mbean is a java method, right?
16:55	l1x	nope
16:55	l1x	this is the clojure lib
16:55	scriptor	ah
16:56	emezeske	l1x: How much do you understand about lazy sequences?
16:56	l1x	i have read the book this weekend
16:56	emezeske	l1x: So do you understand why a "with-" function and a lazy sequence might not work well together?
16:57	devinus	is there a way to install user plugins from the command line in lein2?
16:57	Raynes	devinus: No.
16:57	devinus	oh ;_;
16:57	Raynes	You just edit ~/.lein/profiles.clj
16:57	llasram	l1x: For a concrete suggestion, try wrapping what you have inside jmx/with-connection in a `doall`
16:57	l1x	emezeske: yep, cause you dont have the certain element of the lazy seq "computed" at the time you are calling the with- on it
16:58	l1x	llasram: ok i try that, i just dont understand why the first map work
16:58	l1x	and the second fail
16:58	l1x	(maybe the first time it is not a lazy seq)
16:58	emezeske	l1x: Are you trying things out in the REPL?
16:58	l1x	nope
16:58	l1x	lein project
16:59	emezeske	l1x: Okay. I was just going to mention that sometimes you need to carefully pay attention to what might cause a lazy-seq to be realized
16:59	scriptor	you can use the repl with a lein project
16:59	emezeske	l1x: E.g. printing it out,e tc
16:59	l1x	yep
16:59	maacl	Is there a way to embed a Incanter chart in a Hiccup page other than writing it out to disk?
16:59	l1x	emezeske: thx, i try with doall
16:59	emezeske	l1x: Good luck sir!
17:00	l1x	;)
17:00	devinus	where does lein2 install plugins?
17:01	devinus	oh, .m2 it seems
17:01	nz-	devinus: i'd assume that they are with normal maven deps
17:04	devinus	what are some of the most useful/coolest lein2 plugins?
17:04	l1x	you guys are awesome
17:04	l1x	it works! :)
17:04	emezeske	l1x: sweet. :)
17:05	scriptor	devinus: can't name specific ones, but there's a list here https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/wiki/Plugins
17:06	brainproxy	suggestions for helpful tools/libs for doing complex web-form validation .. prefer something that can be loosely coupled to ring/compojure rather than a framework
17:09	gtrak	is there like a clojure analogue to scheme's atom? ?
17:09	S11001001	gtrak: the atom/list dichotomy isn't so clear in clojure, so I'm not sure it would have a useful universal meaning
17:10	S11001001	gtrak: check out seq?, sequential?, and core.incubator's seqable? for some variants
17:10	gtrak	ah
17:11	S11001001	,(sequential? "abc")
17:11	clojurebot	false
17:11	S11001001	but "abc" is `seqable?'
17:11	gtrak	,(sequential? [])
17:11	clojurebot	true
17:11	nz-	devinus: lein-ring, lein-otf
17:11	gtrak	,(sequential? {})
17:11	clojurebot	false
17:11	gtrak	hmm
17:11	S11001001	I strongly disfavor seq?, picking sequential? or seqable? depending on scenario
17:12	dnolen_	gtrak: (not (coll? x)) is probably the closest
17:13	S11001001	,(coll? (map identity [42]))
17:13	clojurebot	true
17:13	S11001001	mmm
17:17	azkesz	is there a function that would return the first element that satisfies the predicate? instead of true what some does
17:18	dnolen_	azkesz: doesn't return true.
17:18	dnolen_	azkesz: er I mean, some doesn't return true.
17:18	azkesz	sorry I meant every?
17:19	maacl	azkesz: (first (filter predicate...
17:19	azkesz	,(some #(not= % nil) [ nil 1 nil ])
17:19	clojurebot	true
17:20	duck1123	that's because your predicate is returning true
17:20	azkesz	maacl, thanks that's works
17:20	azkesz	duck1123, i see what you mean, let me check
17:21	azkesz	,(some #(if (not= % nil) :a :nota) [ nil 1 nil ])
17:21	clojurebot	:nota
17:21	azkesz	,(some #(if (not= % nil) :a nil) [ nil 1 nil ])
17:21	clojurebot	:a
17:22	azkesz	,(some #(when-not % :a) [ nil 1 nil ])
17:22	clojurebot	:a
17:22	azkesz	,(some #(when-not % %) [ nil 1 nil ])
17:22	clojurebot	nil
17:22	duck1123	,(some identity [nil 1 nil])
17:22	clojurebot	1
17:22	duck1123	granted, that also kills false
17:23	azkesz	,(some identity [ nil :a nil ]
17:23	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: EOF while reading>
17:23	azkesz	,(some identity [ nil :a nil ])
17:23	clojurebot	:a
17:23	azkesz	that's quite uber:D
17:25	azkesz	that solves this one=) http://www.4clojure.com/problem/73
17:26	azkesz	I think the " Now you can move on to" is kinda random, I wasn't supposed to reach this Hard problem before completing all the easy ones
17:28	azkesz	I'm mind boggling watching the other solutions
17:42	azkesz	An Error occured: timeout
17:42	azkesz	~guards
17:42	clojurebot	SEIZE HIM!
17:42	azkesz	4clojure is down?
17:43	azkesz	nvm, it's kinda back but slow
17:44	azkesz	ok it's dead:) 502 Bad Gateway maybe I should watch a movie, thanks to all that helped! I'll be bac(k)
17:46	Raynes	amalloy: ^
17:47	amalloy	Raynes: it started itself back up even as he was complaining. back to being fast before he left
17:47	Raynes	Cool.
17:47	nz-	what was the name of slime/swank replacement that somebody was making?
17:48	Raynes	nrepl.el
17:50	nz-	there was also something else
17:50	Raynes	nrepl.el times 2?
17:50	amalloy	ritz
17:51	Raynes	Oh. Didn't realize it was a replacement.
17:51	amalloy	it's more like a reimplementation
17:51	nz-	well something related at least
17:51	antifuchs	nz-: ritz.
17:51	antifuchs	yeah, ritz is quite neat. gotta polish up my branch a bit (:
17:52	antifuchs	it can talk to nrepl or to slime on the emacs side, which is pretty cool (:
17:52	antifuchs	(I prefer slime myself, so yay)
17:53	Raynes	I'm happy I can put SLIME far, far behind me.
17:53	scizo_	\leave
17:53	scizo_	oops
17:54	nz-	is ritz usable now?
17:55	antifuchs	nz-: it works for me, for superficial usage. hugod would know for sure
17:56	hugod	I've used it exclusively for well over a year
17:56	antifuchs	Raynes: yeah, that's what many people say and I don't doubt that. For me, it's 7 years of finger memory and slime-selector addiction (:
17:56	antifuchs	(if it hasn't been longer. getting old)
17:56	Raynes	antifuchs: Well, at least you aren't using swank-clojure.
17:57	Raynes	I feel bad for anyone who has to maintain that.
17:57	antifuchs	Raynes: hah, I did hack that into shape to use it with current slime (:
17:57	antifuchs	wasn't too horriffic, tbh!
17:57	antifuchs	(nooot that i'm volunteering!) ((:
17:58	devinus	i'm guessing nobody uses the jdk7 from oracle on OS X yet?
17:58	Raynes	wmealing_: If you're using emacs, nrepl.el is nice.
17:58	Raynes	If not, VimClojure is nice.
17:58	Raynes	If not Vim, CCW is nice.
17:58	Cr8	devinus: I am, I think.
17:58	wmealing_	Raynes: emacs at the moment
17:58	Cr8	Yep. I am.
17:58	Raynes	When light table can save files properly and stop losing my bloody code, it'll be nice.
17:58	devinus	i get a lot of NullPointerExceptions with some packages
17:58	devinus	lein-ring for instance
17:59	Cr8	devinus: hm. I've not had that issue with lein-ring, and I have used it.
18:00	Cr8	I've got java -version "1.7.0_04-ea"
18:00	devinus	oh
18:00	devinus	i don't think that's the blessed OS X version
18:01	devinus	oracle has only released 1.7.0_06-b24 so far
18:01	Cr8	I know I downloaded whatever the blessed version was
18:01	Cr8	http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk-7u4-downloads-1591156.html from here
18:02	Cr8	ah..
18:02	Cr8	but I had openJDK above it in preferred order
18:02	Cr8	in my prefpane
18:02	Cr8	now I have java -version java version "1.7.0_06"
18:03	Cr8	lein ring seems quite happy with that one too, though
18:05	nz-	well ritz didn't work
18:05	nz-	emacs says: symbol's value as variable is void: slime-ritz
18:08	wmealing_	Raynes: nrepl.el is actually not bad..thanks
18:08	wmealing_	and no problems getting it working out of the box
18:11	SegFaultAX	Speaking of 4clojure, what am I doing wrong? (fn [[h & t] n] (if (zero? n) h (recur t (dec n)))) http://www.4clojure.com/problem/21
18:13	bdesham	hi all! I'm trying to parse XHTML with Clojure, but the parser complains that it doesn't recognize entities (e.g. " "). any idea where to start with this?
18:13	bdesham	I tried using enlive's parse function, but same thing
18:13	SegFaultAX	Hmm, (fn [coll n] (first (drop n coll))) worked.
18:15	Cr8	ha, that's weird
18:15	Cr8	I suppose the destructuring might be expanding nth in there
18:16	SegFaultAX	Cr8: In my solution above?
18:16	Cr8	yeah
18:17	scriptor	SegFaultAX: what error are you getting?
18:17	Cr8	yeah, that's what happens.
18:17	SegFaultAX	scriptor: Nth is forbidden or somesuch.
18:17	scriptor	SegFaultAX: yea, I just converted mine to use destructuring and got the same issue
18:18	SegFaultAX	scriptor: I just switched to using drop instead.
18:18	Cr8	Destructuring wraps your body in a let form that is created by https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/src/clj/clojure/core.clj#L3928
18:19	Cr8	which does inject nth in there if you use &
18:26	Cr8	,(clojure.walk/macroexpand-all '(fn [[h & t] n] (if (zero? n) h (recur t (dec n)))))
18:26	clojurebot	#<ExecutionException java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.walk>
18:26	Cr8	beh
18:26	Cr8	it expands to: (fn* ([p__786 n] (let* [vec__787 p__786 h (clojure.core/nth vec__787 0 nil) t (clojure.core/nthnext vec__787 1)] (if (zero? n) h (recur t (dec n))))))
18:37	nz-	I tried to install slime-ritz but something went wrong, thing starter working when I removed *.elc files for slime-ritz
18:47	Roxxi	What's a good library for creating html in clojure... clj-html?
18:47	brehaut	hiccup
18:48	Roxxi	nice, thanks
18:50	TimMc	Roxxi: And there's enlive, which is crotchety and difficult, but backed by a nice concept.
18:53	Raynes	Enlive doesn't create html
18:53	Raynes	It modifies html.
18:55	nz-	got ritz running but for example C-c C-l (load file) doesn't seem to work
18:55	nz-	MalformedURLException
20:07	azkesz	,(#( (and ((set (keys %2)) %1) (%1 %2)) ) :a {:a nil :b 2})
20:07	clojurebot	#<NullPointerException java.lang.NullPointerException>
20:08	azkesz	is there something like macroexpand but for anonymous functions?
20:08	azkesz	or some kind of eval with a depth maybe?
20:09	technomancy	,#(identity %)
20:09	clojurebot	#<sandbox$eval59$fn__60 sandbox$eval59$fn__60@7d6c6f48>
20:09	technomancy	,(read-string "#(identity %)")
20:09	clojurebot	(fn* [p1__89#] (identity p1__89#))
20:09	amalloy	,'#(identity %) is what technomancy meant the second time :P
20:09	clojurebot	(fn* [p1__114#] (identity p1__114#))
20:09	technomancy	derp
20:09	technomancy	yes
20:11	azkesz	,(read-string '(#( (and ((set (keys %2)) %1) (%1 %2)) ) :a {:a nil :b 2}))
20:11	clojurebot	#<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.PersistentList cannot be cast to java.lang.String>
20:11	azkesz	(read-string "(#( (and ((set (keys %2)) %1) (%1 %2)) ) :a {:a nil :b 2})")
20:11	azkesz	,(read-string "(#( (and ((set (keys %2)) %1) (%1 %2)) ) :a {:a nil :b 2})")
20:11	clojurebot	((fn* [p1__172# p2__171#] ((and ((set (keys p2__171#)) p1__172#) (p1__172# p2__171#)))) :a {:a nil, :b 2})
20:11	technomancy	if you're having trouble debugging it, don't use #() yet
20:12	azkesz	ok
20:13	azkesz	it actually works if it's not anonymous
20:13	azkesz	,(#( (and ((set (keys %2)) %1) (%1 %2)) ) :a {:a nil :b 2})
20:13	clojurebot	#<NullPointerException java.lang.NullPointerException>
20:13	azkesz	,((fn [key map] (and ((set (keys map)) key) (key map)) ) :a {:a nil :b 2})
20:13	clojurebot	nil
20:14	emezeske	,'#(identity %)
20:14	clojurebot	(fn* [p1__257#] (identity p1__257#))
20:14	emezeske	,'#((identity %))
20:14	clojurebot	(fn* [p1__284#] ((identity p1__284#)))
20:15	azkesz	oo
20:15	azkesz	,(#( and ((set (keys %2)) %1) (%1 %2) ) :a {:a nil :b 2})
20:15	clojurebot	nil
20:15	azkesz	emezeske, why thank you=)
20:15	emezeske	azkesz: thank technomancy! :)
20:16	azkesz	I missed it the first time i see
20:16	emezeske	At any rate, my personal taste for something that has multiple args, used multiple times, is to use a fn with well-named args
20:17	emezeske	But of course that's a matter of opinion :)
20:17	azkesz	I agree it's better for readability and I want that
20:22	azkesz	we need a better way to thank people, every time I thank someone I feel like I'm fakeing it, or somehow stealing something from them lol that's why I kinda try to avoid thanking, also because it feels like I nolonger feel obliged to them now that I thanked them:) besides thanks are always implied; but then there's the matter of them maybe waiting for a thank at least as a symbol of acknowledging
20:22	azkesz	that their help was well received
20:22	azkesz	,(fn? thanks)
20:22	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: thanks in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
20:23	emezeske	azkesz: Sometimes people will ,(inc nickname) to sort of upvote them
20:23	azkesz	does clojurebot have any way of knowing who typed the command?
20:24	azkesz	that's good enough emezeske, even better :D
20:25	emezeske	(inc clojurebot)
20:25	lazybot	⇒ 13
20:25	azkesz	,ns
20:25	clojurebot	#<Namespace sandbox>
20:26	azkesz	emezeske the nicks are not already defined right?
20:26	azkesz	only some
20:26	emezeske	azkesz: I don't know how it works. I think you can use any nick, and it will start at zero, but I have never experimented
20:26	azkesz	,(ns-resolve ns aka)
20:26	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: aka in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
20:27	azkesz	,(ns-resolve ns 'aka)
20:27	clojurebot	nil
20:27	brehaut	(inc not-a-real-nick-at-all)
20:27	lazybot	⇒ 1
20:27	emezeske	(dec not-a-real-nick-at-all)
20:27	lazybot	⇒ 0
20:27	azkesz	oh without the ","
20:27	azkesz	ok then, no headaches:)
20:27	azkesz	(inc emezeske) (inc technomancy)
20:27	lazybot	⇒ 1
20:27	azkesz	lol
20:27	azkesz	wonder if the first or last got it
20:27	brehaut	first
20:27	azkesz	or both, as it would by clojure
20:28	emezeske	technomancy is certainly > 0
20:28	azkesz	,emezeske
20:28	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: emezeske in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
20:28	brehaut	technomancy has karma by the bucket
20:28	azkesz	what is the query of the value?
20:28	brehaut	azkesz: its not running through the evaluator at all. its special lazybot magic
20:28	brehaut	$karma technomancy
20:28	lazybot	technomancy has karma 34.
20:28	azkesz	brehaut, you're right, got it
20:28	azkesz	(inc technomancy)
20:28	lazybot	⇒ 35
20:28	azkesz	ok done with my current thanks:D
20:29	azkesz	$karma emezeske
20:29	lazybot	emezeske has karma 1.
20:29	azkesz	$karma chouser
20:29	lazybot	chouser has karma 7.
20:29	azkesz	lol
20:30	azkesz	,(println "test")
20:30	clojurebot	test
20:30	azkesz	i wonder if I can implement a function and have clojurebot inc karma :)
20:30	azkesz	,(println "(inc chouser)")
20:30	clojurebot	(inc chouser)
20:30	lazybot	⇒ 8
20:31	azkesz	:-"
20:31	casion	lol
20:31	brehaut	that is in fact the only way you can dec your own karma
20:32	azkesz	interesting
20:33	brehaut	raynes really needs to fix that; i frequently need to dec myself
20:34	azkesz	$karma brehaut
20:34	lazybot	brehaut has karma 6.
20:34	azkesz	why do you need to?
20:34	brehaut	because i frequently say stupid and wrong things
20:35	azkesz	not-a-bot pass :)
20:42	azkesz	i can't make an alias in mIRC unless i put a space after the ' in: /thanks /say ,(thanks '$$1)
20:43	azkesz	wrong chan, soz:)
20:43	amalloy	the lazybot karma system is mostly for fun anyway. nobody answers questions in here just to boost their karma
20:44	azkesz	I dig that, but I feel it would help give more meaning to my thanks yous if I were to instead do that :)
20:45	azkesz	actually, I can just do the (inc nick) instead of defining a thanks fn in clojurebot and calling it
20:46	Cr8	azkesz: I believe you can tell mIRC script to omit the space by using a pseudo-var
20:46	Cr8	its something like
20:46	Cr8	(thanks ' $+ $$1)
20:46	Cr8	or $$+
20:47	Cr8	its been like, 8 years since I touched mIRC so =P
20:47	azkesz	that's the one, i received a similar reply on ##mirc : ' $+ $$1
20:48	Cr8	hell yeah, I'm surprosed I remembered that.
20:48	Cr8	*surprised
20:48	azkesz	(inc Cr8)
20:48	lazybot	⇒ 1
20:48	azkesz	=)
20:48	Cr8	$karma Apage43
20:48	lazybot	Apage43 has karma 1.
20:49	azkesz	ChanServ
20:49	Cr8	is my other nick
20:49	azkesz	great now i need to know how to /say $karma lol
20:49	Cr8	apparently i got inc'd once in the past
20:49	Cr8	I belive that's just $$ $+ karma
20:49	azkesz	ah so simple
20:50	azkesz	$$karma ChanServ
20:50	Cr8	or maybe only the one $ =P
20:50	Cr8	Shrug
20:50	azkesz	yep it was one
20:50	azkesz	$karma ChanServ
20:50	lazybot	ChanServ has karma 0.
20:51	azkesz	(inc Cr8)
20:51	lazybot	⇒ 2
20:52	azkesz	would be cool if the karma points were kept in context or something, or at least the date, or if chan is logged an url to the inc line :)
20:52	seaword	I am using Cheshire to output json and was wondering what people have done regarding clojure naming (e.g. { "first-name": "Fred" }) and typical JS conventions of { "firstName": "Fred" } or even { "first_name": "Fred" }. Do people typically stick with the clojure naming on the client side?
20:53	cshell	$karma cshell
20:53	lazybot	cshell has karma 0.
20:53	cshell	how do you get karma anyway?
20:53	aperiodic	bribes
20:55	gfredericks	,(println "(inc gfredericks')")
20:55	clojurebot	(inc gfredericks')
20:55	lazybot	⇒ 2
20:56	azkesz	$karma gfredericks
20:56	lazybot	gfredericks has karma 6.
20:56	gfredericks	I wonder where the first one for gfredericks' came from
20:56	azkesz	the other is like your test nick?
20:56	gfredericks	I was just using it to demo self-karma-increases
20:56	emezeske	gfredericks prime
20:56	azkesz	lol
20:56	gfredericks	without devaluing my actual karma
20:57	azkesz	,(false? nil)
20:57	clojurebot	false
20:57	emezeske	gfredericks: multiple personality disorder?
20:57	gfredericks	emezeske: multiple personality order.
20:57	emezeske	gfredericks: :)
21:00	azkesz	,(#_ (range))
21:00	clojurebot	()
21:01	azkesz	any chance we can do an alias for #_ ? :)
21:02	gfredericks	the reader isn't configurable
21:02	azkesz	,(defn dont [ignored & others] (do others))
21:03	clojurebot	#<Exception java.lang.Exception: SANBOX DENIED>
21:03	gfredericks	you can define a macro equivalent to comment
21:03	azkesz	that would be an emulation=)
21:03	gfredericks	which is mostly like #_
21:03	gfredericks	,((comment (range)))
21:03	azkesz	can it be a function too?
21:03	clojurebot	#<NullPointerException java.lang.NullPointerException>
21:03	azkesz	the double paranthesis, I had that above=)
21:03	gfredericks	azkesz: (constantly nil) is a function that ignores its inputs
21:04	gfredericks	(def don't (constantly nil))
21:04	gfredericks	but you don't prevent evaluation of the arguments that way
21:04	azkesz	oh i see
21:04	azkesz	but i only wanted the first one ignored in the dont
21:04	azkesz	oh that's why the macro
21:05	blrandel	would anyone have any thoughts on whether core.logic might be an appropriate alternative for a use case where a rules engine is typically used?
21:05	gfredericks	blrandel: numbers!
21:05	gfredericks	be careful that it can do what you need numerically
21:06	azkesz	(inc gfredericks)
21:06	lazybot	⇒ 7
21:06	blrandel	gfredericks: ok, I'll keep that in mind - I'd like to write an 'expert system', but something like Drools just seems very heavy and enterprisey
21:06	gfredericks	azkesz: (defmacro with-note [note & exprs] (cons 'do exprs))
21:07	azkesz	gfredericks, i see that if dont is a function this would timeout: (dont (apply + (range)) 1 2)
21:07	azkesz	but not if it's a macro
21:07	gfredericks	right
21:10	azkesz	that range I used earlier made my eclipse unresponsive, any chance I can launch another repl somehow and interrupt that infinite range ? I figure it must be in the same jvm
21:16	blrandel	azkesz: unresponsiveness is part of the eclipse experience, try to embrace it
21:16	azkesz	blrandel it happens rarely though, would u suggest a different environment ?
21:17	blrandel	as far as IDEs for clojure go, I think that's your best option
21:21	azkesz	great cause I got used to it
21:22	casion	eclipse the best option for clojure?
21:22	casion	surely you jest
21:22	azkesz	ide
21:22	azkesz	but I guess idea has plugin too
21:22	casion	still jesting without a doubt
21:22	azkesz	,(fn? jest)
21:23	clojurebot	#<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: jest in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)>
21:23	blrandel	casion: as far as IDEs go - counterclockwise is further along than the intellij plugin?
21:23	azkesz	,(defmacro with-note [note & exprs] (cons 'do exprs))
21:23	clojurebot	#<Exception java.lang.Exception: SANBOX DENIED>
21:23	casion	blrandel: no idea
21:24	casion	I'm not sure why emacs is excluded as an IDE in the context of any lisp
21:24	azkesz	gfredericks, i found an uglier way: (defmacro with-note2 [note & exprs] `(do ~@exprs))
21:24	gfredericks	amalloy: I just got a permuto that doesn't diverge; it might be terrible though
21:27	azkesz	(inc gfredericks)
21:27	lazybot	⇒ 8
21:27	azkesz	(inc blrandel)
21:27	lazybot	⇒ 1
21:28	gfredericks	azkesz: you are inflating the currency
21:29	azkesz	yeah I'm starting to feel the weight of my doing
21:29	azkesz	this may be worse than saying thanks
21:30	azkesz	what's the ultimate currency? is it cpu time ? aka attention
21:30	gtuckerkellogg	I'm doing something wrong with clojopts (from amalloy).
21:32	gtuckerkellogg	If I run (-main "--help") it works as expected, but if I "lein bin" the program and use the --help option on the command line, I get nothing. Any thoughts? The -main function is here http://pastebin.com/433Vqmv9
21:34	amalloy	sounds like lein bin isn't invoking your main in the way you expect; hopefully clojopts isn't involved at all
21:36	casion	,(println "(println \",(println \\\"wee\\\"\")")
21:36	clojurebot	(println ",(println \"wee\"")
21:36	casion	clever
21:36	gtuckerkellogg	amalloy, hmm, I suppose you right
21:37	amalloy	gtuckerkellogg: what about lein run? maybe you're not specifying the right main-related options in project.clj
21:38	gtuckerkellogg	amalloy, oh, that's a good thought. Ill look into it.
21:38	azkesz	blrandel, heh timedout again, I guess you were right, it's just that I wasn't running the "right" code, I tried iterate now
21:38	casion	1228Wendy1228
21:38	gtuckerkellogg	i recently switched to lein 2, so that could well be a possibility
21:38	casion	194
21:39	casion	zzz
21:39	azkesz	blrandel, I mean, unresponsive eclipse
21:39	gtuckerkellogg	lein run --help works.
21:39	gtuckerkellogg	so that's it
21:41	blrandel	azkesz: you could try allocating more memory in eclipse.ini
21:41	azkesz	blrandel, I just noticed that killing eclipse wasn't enough to kill the repls that were using the cpu, had 2 by now eating ram too:)
21:41	azkesz	maybe it was a bad idea typing in repl: (iterate #(+ 4 %) 0)
21:44	azkesz	wow that was crazy, not that I see what iterate does:)
21:45	azkesz	,(take 10 (iterate #(+ 4 %) 0))
21:45	clojurebot	(0 4 8 12 16 ...)
22:44	saurik	(defrecord test []) -> "ClassCastException clojure.lang.Var cannot be cast to java.lang.Class clojure.lang.Namespace.referenceClass (Namespace.java:129)" <- it seems problematic that if someone in a different namespace that I happen to be using decides to create a variable that collides with one of my record names, my code will break. am I doing something wrong?
22:50	xeqi	&test
22:50	lazybot	⇒ #<core$test clojure.core$test@19dfe6b>
22:51	xeqi	I think its cause test is already used for clojure.core, which gets used automatically in namespaces
22:52	xeqi	oh, nm.. misread what you said
22:53	xeqi	could always use refer instead of use, then you just have to watch clojure.core for name smashing
22:54	xeqi	* require, not refer
23:16	duck1123	I need a way to make sure my js application only makes a single request for a resource. There's TrafficCop, but I'm wondering if there's a better ClojureScript-y solution. Should I use an atom?
23:24	saurik	xeqi: right, but clojure core actually has a ton of things in it, and more are added with each new version of clojure. it normally isn't a problem if I have variables (functions, data, bindings, lets, etc.), but with defrecord I run into pain
23:24	saurik	user=> (defprotocol test (a [this]))
23:24	saurik	WARNING: test already refers to: #'clojure.core/test in namespace: user, being replaced by: #'user/test
23:37	cgag	I'm getting "REPL server launch timed out." when running lein repl, anyone run into that before? It's worked fine in the past.
23:49	jkkramer	saurik: (ns example.core :refer-clojure :exclude [test])