2011-11-20
| 00:14 | slyphon | so, with the modularized contrib, is there somewhere still to read the docs for each module? |
| 00:21 | devn | where'd try/catch go? |
| 00:23 | brehaut | it disappeared? |
| 00:23 | devn | it's not in core |
| 00:23 | amalloy | &(java.util.Date. 0) |
| 00:23 | lazybot | ⇒ #<Date Wed Dec 31 16:00:00 PST 1969> |
| 00:24 | brehaut | its a special form isnt it? |
| 00:24 | devn | yes |
| 00:24 | brehaut | so it wont be in core? |
| 00:24 | devn | what do you mean? |
| 00:24 | devn | if is a special form. |
| 00:24 | brehaut | ,try |
| 00:25 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: try in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)> |
| 00:25 | brehaut | ,(try (/ 1 0) (catch Exception e e)) |
| 00:25 | clojurebot | brehaut: excusez-moi |
| 00:25 | brehaut | ,(try (/ 1 0) (catch Exception e :exception-caught)) |
| 00:25 | clojurebot | brehaut: Pardon? |
| 00:25 | brehaut | fail |
| 00:26 | brehaut | i didnt think if was in core either? arent all the special forms implemented magically in the compiler? |
| 00:27 | amalloy | brehaut: righto |
| 00:27 | amalloy | though a fair number of the "special forms" are actually macros in core, wrapping around the real special forms |
| 00:28 | amalloy | also, the bots won't let you catch exceptions, because they send you a timeout exception if you take too long |
| 00:28 | devn | bah, my bad -- I don't know how that happened |
| 00:28 | brehaut | oh yeah i forgot about that |
| 00:28 | devn | For some reason I was blowing up on calling try |
| 00:28 | devn | It seems to be working fine now |
| 00:31 | amalloy | technomancy: i realized something nice just now. in just 300 million years, oracle will have to finally fix/remove j.u.Date due to integer overflow |
| 00:32 | devn | read-string is awfully forgiving |
| 00:32 | devn | ,(read-string "(+ 1 1))))") |
| 00:32 | clojurebot | (+ 1 1) |
| 00:33 | devn | ,(read-string "(((((((+ 1 1))") |
| 00:33 | clojurebot | #<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: EOF while reading> |
| 00:33 | devn | ,(read-string "((+ 1 1)))") |
| 00:33 | clojurebot | ((+ 1 1)) |
| 00:34 | devn | ,(read-string "#=(eval (def foo "foo"))") |
| 00:34 | clojurebot | #<CompilerException java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: foo in this context, compiling:(NO_SOURCE_PATH:0)> |
| 00:34 | devn | ,(read-string "#=3") |
| 00:34 | clojurebot | #<RuntimeException java.lang.RuntimeException: EvalReader not allowed when *read-eval* is false.> |
| 00:35 | devn | ,(binding [*read-eval* true] (read-string "#=3")) |
| 00:35 | clojurebot | #<IllegalArgumentException java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unsupported #= form> |
| 00:35 | devn | oh well, worth a try :) |
| 00:35 | alandipert | devn, gotta quote that puppy |
| 00:35 | devn | which'un? |
| 00:35 | brehaut | ,'puppy |
| 00:35 | clojurebot | puppy |
| 00:35 | alandipert | (eval '(def foo ... |
| 00:36 | devn | ,(binding [*read-eval* true] (read-string "#=(eval (def x 10))")) |
| 00:36 | clojurebot | #'sandbox/x |
| 00:36 | devn | x |
| 00:36 | devn | ,x |
| 00:36 | clojurebot | 10 |
| 00:36 | brehaut | nope, its because the string "foo" is not escaped |
| 00:36 | devn | brehaut: good catch |
| 00:37 | devn | ,(binding [*read-eval* true] (read-string "#=(eval (def x \"10\"))")) |
| 00:37 | clojurebot | #'sandbox/x |
| 00:37 | devn | ,x |
| 00:37 | clojurebot | "10" |
| 00:37 | brehaut | im very in tune with the parser atm ;) |
| 00:37 | devn | align your chakras |
| 00:38 | brehaut | i align my chakras left with the second child of the list |
| 00:39 | devn | ,(binding [*read-eval* true] (read-string "#=(eval (defn hm [] (System/getProperty \"user.home\")))")) |
| 00:39 | clojurebot | #'sandbox/hm |
| 00:39 | devn | ,(hm) |
| 00:39 | clojurebot | #<AccessControlException java.security.AccessControlException: access denied (java.util.PropertyPermission user.home read)> |
| 00:42 | devn | ,(ns-publics (symbol (str *ns*))) |
| 00:42 | clojurebot | {hm #'sandbox/hm, x #'sandbox/x} |
| 00:43 | devn | ,(map first (ns-refers (symbol (str *ns*)))) |
| 00:43 | clojurebot | (sorted-map read-line re-pattern keyword? unchecked-inc-int ...) |
| 00:45 | brehaut | (keys (ns-refers (.name *ns*))) |
| 00:45 | brehaut | ,(keys (ns-refers (.name *ns*))) |
| 00:45 | clojurebot | (sorted-map read-line re-pattern keyword? unchecked-inc-int ...) |
| 00:47 | devn | much prettier |
| 00:47 | brehaut | its how we learn right? |
| 00:47 | devn | i hope so, else I've been doing it very, very wrong |
| 00:48 | brehaut | yeah me too ;) |
| 00:48 | devn | I've defaulted to using too much map I think |
| 00:48 | brehaut | ive defaulted to too much comp and partial |
| 00:49 | devn | ha, I can share in that feeling |
| 00:50 | devn | it's clever and sometimes exactly what I need, but often times I'm just like "yeah! I can use juxt here!" when there's no need |
| 00:50 | brehaut | hehe yeah :) |
| 00:50 | devn | "playing with your data" |
| 00:55 | slyphon | so, if i need to implement an interface for something i'm handing into java (a lightweight instance that only has one method) a good choice for that is...? |
| 00:56 | brehaut | reify |
| 00:57 | scottj | slyphon: https://github.com/cemerick/clojure-type-selection-flowchart |
| 00:57 | slyphon | i did a project about a year and a half ago when 1.2 was coming out soon, coming back to clojure now i'm a little lost |
| 00:57 | slyphon | scottj: awesome |
| 01:00 | brehaut | ,(let [named (reify clojure.lang.Named (getName [this] "hello, world"))] (name named)) |
| 01:00 | clojurebot | "hello, world" |
| 01:00 | slyphon | hah |
| 01:00 | slyphon | man, i totally forgot how to structure things |
| 01:00 | brehaut | i cant think of a simpler example ;) |
| 01:00 | slyphon | that was a good one |
| 01:08 | slyphon | hrm, wasn't there a clojure version of a BlockingQueue ? |
| 01:09 | brehaut | java.util.concurrent.BlockingQueue |
| 01:09 | brehaut | clojure.lang.PersistentQueue is not a replacement for it |
| 01:09 | slyphon | ah |
| 01:13 | jblomo | how do I call a super's method from within a gen-class function? |
| 01:14 | amalloy | brehaut: i usually use ##(.size (reify java.util.List (size [this] 10))) |
| 01:14 | lazybot | ⇒ 10 |
| 01:14 | brehaut | amalloy: aha thats much better |
| 01:18 | amalloy | jblomo: you seem to be doing an enormous genclass. are you sure you really need all that? |
| 01:21 | jblomo | amalloy: gen-class is not too large, but I am overriding a Hadoop class |
| 01:21 | jblomo | extending |
| 02:11 | brehaut | huh. you cant put an expontent on a hex number |
| 02:11 | brehaut | i guess that shouldnt be surprising |
| 02:59 | Raynes | dakrone: Ping. |
| 03:16 | devn | brehaut: we need a #tag or something in irc for "huh." moments |
| 03:16 | brehaut | devn: yeah? |
| 03:16 | brehaut | oh yeah, heh |
| 03:16 | devn | ./topic Concise '(huh moment) explained like this #huh_moment |
| 03:17 | devn | IRC is such a gold mine of information. |
| 03:17 | brehaut | yeah totally |
| 03:17 | brehaut | i wrote a log tagger for a bot i maintain on another channel |
| 03:18 | devn | brehaut: I need your help. |
| 03:18 | brehaut | its got some user interface crevases that needs work |
| 03:18 | brehaut | yeah? |
| 03:18 | devn | I've seen your posts on parsers-- what I need is a clojure parser |
| 03:19 | devn | It doesn't have to be perfect-- all I'm looking for is a way to extract "correct" s-expressions |
| 03:19 | brehaut | a parser for clojure or a parser in clojure? |
| 03:19 | devn | for |
| 03:19 | brehaut | funny you should mention that; i wrote one just this week (in javascript) |
| 03:20 | brehaut | by correct you mean it fixes up unbalanced parens? |
| 03:20 | brehaut | or only finds balanced expressions? |
| 03:23 | devn | brehaut: blah! sorry about that. my other keyboard is a model M clone and it is REALLY loud. My girlfriend is working on serious business. |
| 03:23 | devn | I had to switch and couldn't find the right cable. |
| 03:24 | devn | brehaut: All I care about is efficient checking to make sure something is a balanced expression. |
| 03:24 | brehaut | ok that should be pretty straight forward |
| 03:24 | devn | brehaut: Icing on the cake is being able to look at the N most recent expressions and make an educated guess as to whether they are a logical group |
| 03:25 | brehaut | i have something like written for lazybot (that has since been canned) let me find the commits |
| 03:26 | devn | brehaut: This is great. I feel like building this specific library for others to use and putting out on clojars or getting accepted as a core lib would be a nice addition. |
| 03:26 | devn | putting *it out |
| 03:26 | devn | getting *it accepted |
| 03:26 | devn | *sigh* |
| 03:26 | clojurebot | Cool story bro. |
| 03:26 | devn | Brool story co. |
| 03:27 | brehaut | if you can ignore the expression prefixes, and atom specifics, it should be pretty simpl |
| 03:27 | devn | brehaut: could you elaborate? |
| 03:27 | devn | example, please. |
| 03:28 | brehaut | so the prefixes are things like ^ @ ' ` ~ ~@ # |
| 03:28 | devn | reader macros. |
| 03:28 | brehaut | atoms are the non list,vector,map,set things |
| 03:28 | brehaut | yeah pretty much |
| 03:28 | devn | okay, understood |
| 03:28 | brehaut | parsing all of clojure's legit number literals is a moderately large piece of work |
| 03:29 | brehaut | (for example |
| 03:29 | brehaut | ) |
| 03:29 | brehaut | if you just care about balanced expressions you can ignore all those fiddly details |
| 03:29 | brehaut | https://github.com/brehaut/lazybot/blob/ce26d56fb1ebef2d7a5adadc611bc6c49f8e11de/src/sexpbot/plugins/clojure.clj#L61-90 |
| 03:29 | devn | so, based on what you're saying, and what I was thinking earlier-- handling ^:dynamic |
| 03:30 | brehaut | right, so handling that substantially increases the complexity of the parser |
| 03:31 | brehaut | oh thats simple; it just produces a stream of tokens for parsing |
| 03:31 | brehaut | tokens in that case are [ ] ( ) { } and anything else |
| 03:31 | Raynes | devn: Sorry I missed you earlier. |
| 03:31 | brehaut | so "((foo bar) baz)" becomes ["(" "(" "foo bar" ")" "baz" ")"] |
| 03:31 | Raynes | I wasn't at home at the time. |
| 03:31 | devn | i had to parse the \\[\[\] brehaut |
| 03:31 | devn | Raynes: no worries |
| 03:32 | devn | brehaut: *nod* |
| 03:32 | brehaut | devn: ah right, escaped squares in a character class? hmm. damn unreadable regexps :S |
| 03:32 | devn | I've seen this before in trying to parse ruby, which is much, much uglier :) |
| 03:32 | brehaut | much :) |
| 03:33 | devn | 1.9.3 makes a little more palatable, but not much |
| 03:33 | devn | RubyParser.new.parse "1+1" |
| 03:33 | devn | # => s(:call, s(:lit, 1), :+, s(:array, s(:lit, 1))) |
| 03:33 | brehaut | so parsing meta data in my javascript imp is https://github.com/brehaut/inc-clojure-brush/blob/master/shBrushClojure.js#L107-116 and #L360-365 |
| 03:34 | brehaut | oh right, its given you an AST |
| 03:34 | devn | brehaut: what if multiple passes were made |
| 03:35 | brehaut | devn on clojure? |
| 03:35 | devn | so there is a core that is generalized |
| 03:35 | devn | but you go back over everything with a "static/dynamic" augmentation |
| 03:35 | brehaut | devn: if you can leverage the reader then you are going to win |
| 03:36 | brehaut | devn: im not actually sure i quite understand what it is you are building |
| 03:39 | devn | brehaut: skynet |
| 03:39 | brehaut | devn: oh |
| 03:40 | devn | brehaut: semi-kidding there |
| 03:40 | brehaut | hah :) |
| 03:40 | devn | I want to be able to hunt all over the place for clojure gists, pastes, irc, the lists, github projects, etc. |
| 03:40 | brehaut | oh man |
| 03:41 | brehaut | thats a surprisingly tricky proposition |
| 03:41 | devn | Yes, I know. |
| 03:41 | devn | I've been thinking about it for 2 years, and that hasn't increased my confidence. |
| 03:41 | brehaut | if i were to make uninformed assertions, |
| 03:41 | devn | But there is a poor solution out there. |
| 03:41 | brehaut | i wouldnt write a parser |
| 03:41 | brehaut | id gather together a big corpus of code |
| 03:41 | devn | train it? |
| 03:41 | brehaut | yeah |
| 03:41 | devn | restricted boltzman or something? |
| 03:42 | brehaut | way out of my field of knowledge |
| 03:42 | brehaut | cemerick is probably a better person to talk to |
| 03:42 | amalloy | devn: does the code contain the string "(defn "? that's a pretty good filter already |
| 03:42 | amalloy | tada, now you can tell if any input file has some clojure code in it :P |
| 03:42 | brehaut | :) |
| 03:43 | devn | heh, that's great, but now what if you want to make a guess about whether 3-5 segments are a logical group |
| 03:43 | amalloy | probably less than a 0.1% false-positive rate |
| 03:43 | devn | if you choose yes and someone missed a ), you wind up with garbage |
| 03:44 | devn | amalloy: yeah, you're probably right |
| 03:44 | brehaut | garbage + read-string |
| 03:44 | devn | amalloy: little is published that doesnt actually run |
| 03:44 | devn | yeah i was looking at read string -- pretty encouraging how liberal it lets you be |
| 03:44 | amalloy | identifying "logical groups" is (more or less) impossible |
| 03:44 | devn | ,(read-string "((hm)))))") |
| 03:44 | clojurebot | ((hm)) |
| 03:45 | devn | amalloy: you could be stupid about it though |
| 03:45 | amalloy | devn: it just stops when it gets to the end of a single valid expression |
| 03:45 | brehaut | devn: sure, but its still found a valid string :) |
| 03:45 | devn | short pastes reuse the same vars and string together an idea in general |
| 03:45 | hiredman | https://github.com/dakrone/clojure-opennlp/blob/master/TRAINING.markdown |
| 03:45 | brehaut | devn: re:published that run: http://brehaut.net/blog/2011/ring_introduction search for ":only [app delegate]])" |
| 03:46 | devn | hiredman: thanks |
| 03:47 | devn | brehaut: no thanks! ;) |
| 03:47 | brehaut | lol |
| 03:47 | brehaut | tl;dr: apparently the code i was really fussy with ensuring would run has some really dumb errors in it that ive only found now that i have syntax highlighting |
| 03:48 | devn | amalloy: *nod* -- that is simple, but does not allow for enough precision I don't think |
| 03:48 | devn | maybe it does, just don't know... |
| 03:48 | brehaut | i need to head to bed; good luck devn |
| 03:49 | devn | brehaut: so before you go, last thing i promise |
| 03:49 | brehaut | ok shoot |
| 03:49 | devn | we've been dancing around this, but I think the real idea here is to identify possible candidates and then have real people sort them out. |
| 03:49 | devn | so, I don't need the most precise thing, but I also don't know if the simplest thing will work |
| 03:50 | devn | I'm not convinced of that anyway |
| 03:50 | brehaut | ok |
| 03:50 | brehaut | so the problem with a straight forward deterministic parser |
| 03:51 | brehaut | is that the clojure grammer (being a lisp) is really quite broad |
| 03:51 | devn | I think the fact that I used the word "candidate" and then suggested real people would review them is reason enough to assume what I need is some AI juice |
| 03:51 | brehaut | my previous sentence is frinstance valid clojure sexps |
| 03:51 | devn | *nod* -- I've run into this already |
| 03:52 | brehaut | sure |
| 03:52 | devn | I had years of #clojure logs and parsed them all -- ran them in a sandbox |
| 03:52 | devn | but the sandbox can only do so much |
| 03:52 | devn | and many of these expressions are part of a logical group of expressions |
| 03:52 | devn | which is why they hold value |
| 03:53 | brehaut | yup |
| 03:53 | devn | IDK, at the end of the day it makes me think that all I really need to do is chunk it up and make it a game like amalloy and 4clojure |
| 03:53 | brehaut | hehe :) |
| 03:53 | amalloy | hah |
| 03:53 | devn | "mark the expressions in a logical group." |
| 03:53 | amalloy | i won't enslave my users to parse your sexprs! |
| 03:53 | devn | :D |
| 03:53 | devn | amalloy: it's for the good of the land! |
| 03:53 | brehaut | the IRC logs are a particulary tricky set i think; a lot of bad code is fed to the bots that never executes properly |
| 03:54 | amalloy | they're already busy writing my utility libraries |
| 03:54 | devn | brehaut: it's also the most abused system in terms of hackery |
| 03:54 | devn | which is actually a net win |
| 03:54 | brehaut | haha sure |
| 03:54 | devn | the sandboxes are good about being very selective |
| 03:54 | devn | but that's also what makes them weak |
| 03:55 | devn | perhaps the sandbox just needs to get broader |
| 03:55 | devn | so you can perform "filesystem operations" in a virtual environment |
| 03:55 | amalloy | devn: that's easy to add. just add a jvm permission for ~/sandboxfs |
| 03:55 | brehaut | if i were to guess at an approach, i'd look at the NLP tool hiredman linked, and then group the found expressions by the nick and timestamp |
| 03:56 | amalloy | mount something there with a filesystem quota |
| 03:56 | brehaut | and use similarity of expressions to determine if two nicks are collaborating on one thing |
| 03:57 | devn | thanks amalloy brehaut hiredman |
| 03:57 | brehaut | keep in mind that im speaking only from the perspective of knowing of statistical techniques but not the details, and having some experience writing simple parsers |
| 03:57 | devn | brehaut: keep in mind i'm speaking from heavy idealistic ignorance |
| 03:58 | devn | I just want the best documentation and example code known to man-- automatically |
| 03:58 | brehaut | lol :) |
| 03:58 | brehaut | :) |
| 03:58 | devn | we talk about code as data |
| 03:58 | devn | let's use it |
| 03:59 | brehaut | i really need to head to bed. gnite |
| 04:00 | devn | brehaut: thanks for the help, night |
| 04:01 | devn | wow. inc-clojure-brush is great. |
| 04:39 | michaelr525 | heu |
| 05:31 | guesy | I am new to clojure. I was trying to setum a working environment for the first time. with NetBeans(7.0.1) and eClojure. But maven clean install never succedes.. I am not even able to install it from the plugin editor in NetBeans. Any suggestions ? |
| 05:32 | guesy | I keep getting this error: The plugin Lucene Integration is requested in version >= 2.10.1.232 (release version 1) but only 3.2.1 (of release version different from 1) was found. |
| 06:20 | justin` | /j ##closure-tools |
| 06:20 | justin` | that's embarrassing |
| 08:08 | lobotomy | ugh, why isn't doc working with the slime repl with clojure 1.3.0 |
| 08:09 | lobotomy | lein new foobar; edit project.clj to have :dependencies [[org.clojure/clojure "1.3.0"]] :dev-dependencies [[swank-clojure "1.3.3"]] then lein swank, from emacs slime-connect, go to repl, "(doc +)" just says "Unable to resolve symbol: doc in this context" |
| 08:09 | lobotomy | but "(+ 1 2 3)" etc works just fine |
| 08:10 | lobotomy | from "lein repl", doc does work |
| 08:13 | fliebel | lobotomy: doc is located in clojure.repl |
| 08:19 | ukd1 | hi guys, I'm looking at learning clojure and would like to get a book - there are two out on amazon (uk) -- which one is recommeneded? The joy of clojure or the pragmatic programmers book? |
| 08:21 | fliebel | ukd1: afaik, joy of clojure is a bit more advanced, so if you're new to clojure, lisp and functional programming, I would not recommend it. |
| 08:21 | fliebel | I'm not sure, but I think there are a couple of new books about to be released, which'll probably cover clojure 1.3 |
| 08:22 | ukd1 | fliebel, I've done a little common lisp, but not for a while. I was mainly worried they'd be out of date |
| 08:22 | lobotomy | fliebel: and clojure.repl isn't included by lein-swank by default any longer? |
| 08:23 | fliebel | ukd1: Well, I'm not sure, but 1.3 was just released. |
| 08:23 | lobotomy | is "(clojure.repl/doc +)" supposed to work then from the emacs slime prompt? that's not working either |
| 08:23 | fliebel | lobotomy: try (use 'clojure.repl) and then try again |
| 08:24 | lobotomy | ah ok |
| 08:24 | lobotomy | so some smart guy decided to omit that use statement from lein-swank, just to piss me off. got it :p |
| 08:25 | fliebel | ukd1: have you seen this one? http://www.manning.com/rathore/ |
| 08:26 | fliebel | ukd1: or http://pragprog.com/book/shcloj2/programming-clojure |
| 08:28 | fliebel | technomancy: would slamhound + lein repl be a nice idea? |
| 08:28 | ukd1 | fliebel - nope - just looking! |
| 08:32 | Saturnation | ukd1, I just started learning, and Joy of Clojure was a bit more than I needed, though still a good book. I've got the beta of the Pragmatic and picked up Clojure in Action. If I had to recommend one for a first book, I'd recommend Programming Clojure |
| 08:37 | ukd1 | Saturnation, thanks! I've ordered that one :-) |
| 08:51 | fliebel | What is the status of XML in Clojure? I found clojure.data.xml, but it's not ready. |
| 09:15 | erluko | fliebel: what are you looking for? |
| 09:16 | fliebel | erluko: generating an atom feed. I have written something myself in the past, but it'd need some cleaning up. |
| 09:16 | fliebel | https://github.com/pepijndevos/ArmageDOM |
| 09:19 | fliebel | so there's clojure.xml and clojure.data.xml, neither of which are very active or complete. |
| 09:19 | erluko | Would prxml work? http://clojure.github.com/clojure-contrib/prxml-api.html#clojure.contrib.prxml/prxml |
| 09:21 | fliebel | erluko: That's old contrib. |
| 09:21 | erluko | ah, yes it it |
| 10:17 | Sindikat1 | hello everyone |
| 10:18 | Sindikat1 | i want to write a game in clojure (as a practice). it will be a roguelike with graphics, and the graphics will be something like this - http://ianwitham.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/screenshot-python-libtcod-tutorial.png - what libraries should i use? |
| 10:18 | diptanuc | Hello folks can anyone explain my why does (identical? "foo" "foo") return true on my repl |
| 10:19 | diptanuc | aren't these two different objects? |
| 10:19 | diptanuc | (= "foo" "foo") can be equal though |
| 10:21 | raek | diptanuc: each function (or top level expression) is compiled into a java class. each class has it's own constant pool, so if the same string occurs more than once in a "class" it will still only be stored once |
| 10:21 | raek | &(identical? "foo" (str "f" "oo")) |
| 10:21 | raek | ,(identical? "foo" (str "f" "oo")) |
| 10:22 | clojurebot | false |
| 10:23 | raek | diptanuc: so in this case they happened to be the same object (due to this space optimization) but two strings that are equal are not identical in general |
| 10:28 | diptanuc | raek: Thanks |
| 10:28 | diptanuc | raek: Makes sense now |
| 10:45 | technomancy | fliebel: I think slamhound makes more sense with editor integration |
| 10:46 | technomancy | if you don't have the file right in front of you, you really don't want it running off and rewriting forms |
| 11:01 | fliebel | technomancy: I was thinking more along the lines of auto-loading stuff you use on the repl. |
| 11:21 | Sindikat1 | hey, i did everything as it was said in 'getting started with emacs'. i have .clj file on one buffer and slime repl in another. when i try to call some function from .clj file, it throws error as function is unknown, but C-x C-e in the .clj works |
| 11:29 | ejackson | Sindikat1: how are you calling the function from the .clj file ? |
| 11:29 | ejackson | do you mean from the repl ? |
| 11:29 | ejackson | in that case have you changed to the correct namespace in the repl ? |
| 11:29 | Sindikat1 | yeah, say i have function (defn location ...), and i call it (location) in slime |
| 11:30 | ejackson | in the .clj file go C-c M-p |
| 11:30 | ejackson | that switches the repl to the namespace of the the file |
| 11:30 | devn | ^ |
| 11:30 | ejackson | you might also want C-l to load the file |
| 11:30 | Sindikat1 | ha, works! |
| 11:30 | ejackson | then you're mustard |
| 11:30 | devn | The only problem I have with C-c M-p is that once you've loaded a couple of namespaces for the same project it gets a little less productive |
| 11:31 | devn | C-c M-o is handy also |
| 11:31 | Sindikat1 | hey, C-c C-l itself weren't working before |
| 11:31 | ejackson | devn: what does it do ? |
| 11:32 | Sindikat1 | so i always need to change namespace before working with repl, right? |
| 11:32 | devn | It ejackson it' |
| 11:32 | devn | fjdisao ejackson nothing fancy -- it just clears your REPL |
| 11:32 | ejackson | aaah, cool |
| 11:33 | devn | it can be nice when i've made a big mess or forgot to turn on *print-level* 2, *print-length* 10 |
| 11:33 | ejackson | Sindikat1: no, you can do (use ...) the namespace from the repl and get the functions that way, but C-c M-p is usually easier. |
| 11:33 | devn | and have a 450,000 element hash-map in my REPL |
| 11:33 | devn | grinding emacs to a halt |
| 11:33 | ejackson | as you do... |
| 11:33 | devn | :) |
| 12:01 | devn | dakrone: you around? |
| 12:05 | R4p70r | Anyone's looking for a novice Clojure coder in Canada? |
| 12:05 | mindbat | i'm getting a rather nasty exception when trying to compile the hello.cljs example from the clojurescript quick start |
| 12:05 | mindbat | anyone been able to get that quickstart working? |
| 12:08 | mindbat | the error i'm getting is: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No implementation of method: :make-reader of protocol: #'clojure.java.io/IOFactory found for class: nil |
| 12:08 | mindbat | is there some part of the clojurescript example i'm missing? |
| 12:10 | ejackson | mindbat: I'll take a quick look for you, no promises though |
| 12:10 | mindbat | ejackson: awesome, thanks |
| 12:10 | fliebel | when you write (defmulti foo class), you can use defrecord instead, right? What about the default case? |
| 12:11 | fliebel | Just extend Object? |
| 12:11 | ejackson | mindbat: works 100% here. Did you do everything in "One-time Setup" ? |
| 12:12 | mindbat | ejackson: Where's the One Time Setup? I followed the three steps at the top of the quick start guide, then moved on to Using ClojureScript on a Web Page |
| 12:13 | ejackson | its in the README.md or here: https://github.com/clojure/clojurescript/tree/master/samples/hello |
| 12:13 | ejackson | its the minimum you need to get this sample going |
| 12:14 | mindbat | ejackson: ah, didn't see that, thanks...was working purely off the hello.cljs example on the Quick Start page. I'll have a look at that example and try that |
| 12:15 | ejackson | cool, those samples are great. They go as far as the repl browser, which you definitely want to check out. |
| 12:31 | mindbat | ejackson: still get the same error when runnning 'cljsc src > hello.js' from the samples directory |
| 12:31 | ejackson | mindbat. ugh |
| 12:31 | mindbat | ejackson: (after setting the environment variables and path) |
| 12:31 | ejackson | hmm... can you get a repl to come up in the root dir ? |
| 12:33 | mindbat | ejackson: from the root clojurescript directory, i can get a clojure repl...but not a clojurescript repl |
| 12:33 | mindbat | ejackson: repljs fails with: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.AssertionError: Assert failed: Can't find goog/base.js in classpath |
| 12:33 | ejackson | did you do the bootstrap ? |
| 12:33 | mindbat | ejackson: yep |
| 12:34 | ejackson | do you have a goog.jar in the lib dir ? |
| 12:34 | mindbat | ejackson: nope |
| 12:34 | ejackson | your bootstrap must have failed. |
| 12:34 | mindbat | ejackson: should i run the bootstrap again? |
| 12:35 | ejackson | yeah, from the root ./script/bootstrap |
| 12:35 | mindbat | ejackson: says it completed, but: Building lib/goog.jar... jar cf ./lib/goog.jar -C closure/library/closure/ goog ./script/bootstrap: 34: jar: not found |
| 12:36 | ejackson | weirdness. |
| 12:36 | mindbat | ejackson: can i download the jar manually? |
| 12:36 | ejackson | noononono |
| 12:36 | ejackson | more is probably wrong |
| 12:36 | ejackson | kill the whole dir and clone from github again |
| 12:38 | mindbat | ejackson: done...same error |
| 12:38 | ejackson | windows ? |
| 12:38 | mindbat | ejackson: ugh, no...ubuntu 10.10 |
| 12:38 | ejackson | ubuntu..... |
| 12:38 | ejackson | 1 sec I'm going to try over here |
| 12:41 | ejackson | mindbat: you have curl installed ? |
| 12:41 | mindbat | ejackson: yes |
| 12:43 | TimMc | OK, what are some good Clojure videos to watch, since my arm is being useless? |
| 12:43 | ejackson | mindbat: gist up the output of bootstrap please for me to see |
| 12:43 | ejackson | TimMc: consider for a second what you just said.... |
| 12:43 | TimMc | There's "Simple Made Easy" and I suppose some Conj videos -- what else? |
| 12:44 | TimMc | ejackson: What? |
| 12:44 | ejackson | it must just be me.... |
| 12:44 | TimMc | My right elbow is being all complainy -- Ishould stay away from the keyboard. |
| 12:45 | ejackson | mindbat: my bootstrap output looks like this.... https://gist.github.com/1380546 |
| 12:45 | ejackson | TimMc: did you see "Are we there yet " |
| 12:45 | mindbat | ejackson: and this is mine: https://gist.github.com/1380545 |
| 12:46 | ejackson | mindbat: I think you're mising the jar command |
| 12:46 | ejackson | try calling jar from the command line |
| 12:47 | ejackson | TimMc: if not, http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Are-We-There-Yet-Rich-Hickey is a cracker ! |
| 12:47 | TimMc | oooh http://clojure.com/reading.html |
| 12:47 | mindbat | ejackson: hmm...yep, it seems to be missing |
| 12:47 | ejackson | mindbat, ok, here we delve into javaland... ugly |
| 12:48 | ejackson | you need to install the correct jdk package for ubuntu.... i'm not sure offhand what it is though. |
| 12:48 | ejackson | try this: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
| 12:48 | mindbat | ejackson: there's the openjdk one, and sun-java...any idea if clojure/clojurescript plays nice with the openjdk? |
| 12:49 | ejackson | i think openjdk doesn't work right |
| 12:50 | mindbat | ejackson: ok, i'll grab the sun java package |
| 12:51 | ejackson | yeah, try that and see if it brings down the jar binary for you, think that'll sort it. |
| 12:54 | mindbat | ejackson: hey, that did it! everything works now! |
| 12:54 | mindbat | ejackson: many thanks! |
| 12:54 | ejackson | no sweat, happy hacking bro. |
| 12:54 | TimMc | ejackson: Thanks. |
| 13:03 | devn | Anyone know anything about NLP? |
| 13:08 | guesy | I am new to clojure. I was trying to setum a working environment for the first time. with NetBeans(7.0.1) and eClojure. But maven clean install never succedes.. I am not even able to install it from the plugin editor in NetBeans. Any suggestions ? I keep getting this error: The plugin Lucene Integration is requested in version >= 2.10.1.232 (release version 1) but only 3.2.1 (of release version different from 1) was found. |
| 13:13 | TimMc | devn: A bit... |
| 13:13 | gfredericks | Null Lointer Pexception? |
| 13:14 | gfredericks | devn: actually now that I think about it, I took a class on it, if that means anything. |
| 13:14 | TimMc | devn: I work at a company that does computational linguistics. |
| 13:16 | bbommarito | Good afternoon all. |
| 13:30 | dnolen | guesy: if you just want an easy to use environment I suggest taking a look at clooj. |
| 13:32 | bbommarito | Wow, I had never heard of clooj. |
| 13:45 | klauern | What are some good examples of libraries that limit statefulness in places where it's often required? |
| 13:45 | brehaut | dnolen: do you still believe theres only 4 things that need to be changed/fixed in javascipt? |
| 13:45 | dnolen | brehaut: heh, what do you mean? |
| 13:46 | brehaut | dnolen: http://dosync.posterous.com/fixing-javascript |
| 13:46 | brehaut | thats pre clojurescript right? |
| 13:46 | dnolen | brehaut: oh yeah, and clojurescript addresses all of those |
| 13:48 | fliebel | dnolen: How hard is it to mess with core.match? |
| 13:49 | brehaut | personally i think the biggest thing clojurescript brings to the table is sane collections |
| 13:49 | dnolen | brehaut: oh man seriously |
| 13:49 | dnolen | fliebel: not so bad given the utter lack of documentation |
| 13:50 | guesy | dnolen: I looked at clooj. That is a usefull suggestion. Thank you. |
| 13:51 | fliebel | dnolen: I'm trying to write a ring routing lib based on it. (match req [:get foo "bar"] baz) |
| 13:51 | guesy | dnolen: can you help me setup my environment in NetBeans 7.0.1 ? |
| 13:51 | guesy | I am running Ubuntu 11.10 |
| 13:51 | devn | TimMc: gfredericks: I'm curious as to how I'd go about building a sentence detector for clojure. Do I need a dictionary first? Where would you start if you wanted to train a program to recognize valid clojure forms? |
| 13:52 | TimMc | devn: That's not NLP, that's ALP. :-) |
| 13:52 | dnolen | fliebel: oh you're not hacking on it, yeah using it is pretty simple. |
| 13:53 | dnolen | guesy: I don't use Enclojure so I don't think I can be of much help. |
| 13:53 | devn | TimMc: give me reading material and stuff! :) |
| 13:53 | dnolen | guesy: Enclojure is quite cool, but it's not actively developed now as far as I can tell. |
| 13:54 | TimMc | devn: A = Artificial. You don't need statistical models etc., you just need a parser. |
| 13:54 | fliebel | dnolen: Well, partially. I want to pass the bindings on to the handler, but the expanded form is just a let, so I'm looking for a way to get them. |
| 13:54 | TimMc | devn: You're just trying to match forms? |
| 13:55 | dnolen | fliebel: so are you running into trouble? that looks like it should just work to me. |
| 13:56 | fliebel | dnolen: Well, say I write [:get foo "bar" baz] handler, I want to pass foo and bar to handler. |
| 13:56 | guesy | dnolen: So which IDE is generally used by most of you ? workin with clojure ?? |
| 13:57 | TimMc | Emacs. |
| 13:57 | TimMc | Then Vim and Eclipse, I think. |
| 13:58 | TimMc | guesy: Whatever you use, it really has to have paren balancing, either in strict mode or just an advisory mode. |
| 13:58 | dnolen | fliebel: you can do that |
| 13:58 | dnolen | fliebel: unresolved symbols become "named" wildcards |
| 13:58 | Raynes | devn: ping |
| 13:59 | dnolen | guesy: I use Emacs |
| 13:59 | dnolen | guesy: but others use Eclipse, IntelliJ |
| 13:59 | fliebel | dnolen: I know, they are let'ed in the expanded form, but how do I figure out which variables the user entered? |
| 13:59 | dnolen | fliebel: ? |
| 14:00 | guesy | TimMc: i've been using emacs and vim all the time. I thought using an ide with a plugin for syntax assist might be helpful to start with. |
| 14:00 | TimMc | guesy: The Emacs Starter Kit is pretty good if you don't already have an environment set up. (And use Leiningen for building.) |
| 14:00 | dnolen | guesy: ah, SLIME w/ Paredit is pretty nice. |
| 14:00 | TimMc | guesy: Well, in Emacs you have paredit-mode (minor) and clojure-mode (major). |
| 14:00 | fliebel | dnolen: I and of course write (match foo ["bar" baz] (handler baz)), but I'd like to auto-wire that. |
| 14:02 | guesy | TimMC: dnolen: I am setting up my VM now. I guess EMacs as always is the ONE ! |
| 14:02 | TimMc | yup |
| 14:02 | TimMc | especially for s-expression languages |
| 14:02 | dnolen | fliebel: sorry I'm slow today, I don't see what needs to be done :) |
| 14:02 | bbommarito | Yea, emacs is pretty much the Lisp editor. |
| 14:02 | guesy | Thank you guys. I will be back in a minute as soon as I complete the Environment Setup |
| 14:03 | bbommarito | paredit mode is the greatest thing since sliced bread. |
| 14:04 | fliebel | dnolen: I want to have a list of all the let'ed symbols, so I can automagically pas them to the handler. |
| 14:04 | devn | Raynes: pong |
| 14:06 | dnolen | fliebel: ah yeah, there's no way to do that. |
| 14:06 | Raynes | devn: Currently writing some marginalia docs in lein-newnew. Once I'm finished, I'll walk you through whatever you want. |
| 14:07 | fliebel | dnolen: Not in the match macro, or not at all? I suppose that to let them, you need to have that list. |
| 14:08 | fliebel | That is why I said 'mess', because I think I need to step down a few levels. |
| 14:09 | devn | Raynes: that'd be cool |
| 14:10 | devn | TimMc: we were talking about this last night -- a parser doesn't seem like the right way to go according to brehaut |
| 14:11 | TimMc | devn: What's an example? |
| 14:11 | TimMc | Point me to a timestamp? |
| 14:11 | dnolen | fliebel: I don't think you need to change match. Write a route-match macro that analyzes for free symbols and move them over before match handles it. |
| 14:11 | devn | TimMc: 1sec |
| 14:12 | TimMc | (UTC or EST, or a search string) |
| 14:13 | devn | TimMc: http://clojure-log.n01se.net/date/2011-11-20.html#03:18 |
| 14:14 | TimMc | thx |
| 14:15 | devn | TimMc: the problem is knowing it's a balanced expression is one thing, but being able to see if a group of expressions rely on one another would be great |
| 14:15 | fliebel | dnolen: Something like (filet symbol? (flatten pattern)) ? |
| 14:15 | fliebel | *filter |
| 14:16 | dnolen | fliebel: something like that, just make sure you exclude locals you find in &env |
| 14:17 | fliebel | dnolen: Ok, I'll write my macro monster, thanks :) |
| 14:17 | dnolen | fliebel: heh should be a pretty simple one. |
| 14:18 | devn | TimMc: I don't know -- maybe you're right. Sorry that's so long to read. |
| 14:18 | fliebel | dnolen: I hope so. One other problem I ran into is that match seems to require a literal vector for the pattern. |
| 14:19 | fliebel | So I need to do some wrapping and unwrapping as well. Or is that different in head? Because I saw matching on a single value. |
| 14:19 | devn | TimMc: I'll be right back |
| 14:19 | TimMc | k |
| 14:19 | dnolen | fliebel: you can match single things now |
| 14:20 | fliebel | dnolen: yay, thanks. This is going to be awesome :) |
| 14:20 | dnolen | fliebel: you don't need to change the left hand side anyhow, just the right hand side. |
| 14:20 | fliebel | ? |
| 14:20 | dnolen | fliebel: you macro does change the patterns, just the right hand side clauses |
| 14:21 | fliebel | dnolen: right :) |
| 14:21 | dnolen | (route-match x [:get bar] handler) -> (match x [:get bar] (handler bar)) |
| 14:21 | dnolen | doesn't change patterns i mean |
| 14:21 | fliebel | :) |
| 14:22 | TimMc | devn: Arm "broken", gonna be concise: Use reader to extract symbols, match against Bayesian filter. Train hidden Markov Model on known Clojure and other sexp langs. |
| 14:23 | TimMc | devn: You also want clustering of related code in a document? Look up in-doc coref. |
| 14:24 | TimMc | devn: Nothing wrong with doing a little annotation yourself. |
| 14:26 | fliebel | What would be needed to make clojure.walk/postwalk retain metadata? |
| 14:26 | devn | TimMc: I had planned on some annotating by hand |
| 14:26 | devn | TimMc: thanks for the help |
| 14:26 | Raynes | fliebel: The tears of children. |
| 14:27 | fliebel | Raynes: I think so... |
| 14:38 | TimMc | devn: What kind of code do you want to extract, what to ignore, and what to do with it? |
| 14:42 | gfredericks | devn: I'm a bit confused as to why clojure.core/read doesn't do what you want |
| 14:44 | RazWelles_ | Hey what's the status on ClojureCLR atm? Is it maturing? |
| 14:50 | TimMc | It had a commit in September, I think. |
| 14:52 | Raynes | https://groups.google.com/d/msg/clojure-dev/OUTZC8i_-LI/tkbREu83BNIJ |
| 14:58 | bbommarito | Hrmmm, no websockets library for Clojure...might have to write one... |
| 14:59 | fliebel | Raynes: How do you get the tears of children? I can't get it to work. |
| 15:00 | Raynes | devn: http://raynes.github.com/lein-newnew/ |
| 15:02 | gfredericks | lein-difftest requires clojure-contrib? Am I supposed to make that a dev-dependency, or does it go somewhere else? |
| 15:02 | Raynes | It does? |
| 15:03 | gfredericks | it wouldn't run until I added contrib as a dev dep |
| 15:03 | Raynes | Oh, they didn't upgrade to the new difform version. |
| 15:03 | gfredericks | and then it ran |
| 15:03 | Raynes | gfredericks: If you just :exclude difform and then add difform 1.1.2 yourself, your problem will probably cease. |
| 15:04 | gfredericks | Raynes: in the project.clj? I just think it's gross that difftest is installed as a global plugin on my machine, instead of being listed in the project.clj, and yet I have to muck with my project.clj to make it work |
| 15:05 | Raynes | gfredericks: If you give me a moment, I'll update it myself and release a version to clojars under my own groupid until they release an official version. |
| 15:06 | gfredericks | so then I would uninstall the official plugin and install yours? |
| 15:06 | Raynes | Yep. |
| 15:06 | gfredericks | that sounds like a great solution. |
| 15:07 | gfredericks | thanks |
| 15:10 | Raynes | gfredericks: lein plugin uninstall lein-difftest 0.3.4 && lein plugin install org.clojars.raynes/lein-difftest 0.3.5 |
| 15:10 | Raynes | Shooting Brenton a pull request now, so I imagine an official release isn't too far off. |
| 15:11 | gfredericks | 0.3.4? should be 1.3.4? |
| 15:11 | Raynes | Eh, probably. |
| 15:11 | Raynes | Yeah |
| 15:11 | gfredericks | so then 0.3.5 or 1.3.5 for yours? |
| 15:11 | Raynes | 1.3.5 |
| 15:12 | gfredericks | coo |
| 15:16 | gfredericks | Raynes: works great, thanks! |
| 15:21 | gfredericks | (inc Raynes) |
| 15:22 | gfredericks | (dec lazybot) |
| 15:22 | Raynes | Huh. |
| 15:23 | tmciver | I'm trying to remember a function that returns an edited version of a nested map. |
| 15:26 | gfredericks | tmciver: assoc-in and update-in |
| 15:27 | tmciver | gfredericks, yes, thanks. I just saw update-in. |
| 15:31 | fliebel | I hate reflection, always takes years before I figured out where to put the type hint. So, reflection is slow, for humans too. |
| 15:34 | TimMc | (watching "Simple Made Easy") |
| 15:35 | TimMc | I think Rich is *complecting* the objective/subjective and absolute/relative axes. |
| 15:35 | TimMc | </smug> |
| 15:35 | dnolen | woohoo, got printable types for CLJS :) |
| 15:48 | Saturnation | dnolen, with they repl in a browser you demoed at the end of the Conj, how hard is it to set up? Is it documented somewhere? |
| 15:49 | Saturnation | s/they/teh |
| 15:49 | Saturnation | gah |
| 15:50 | dnolen | Saturnation: pretty easy w/ Emacs, it's all setup in the CLJS master branch. |
| 15:50 | Saturnation | easy for someone with Clojure experience, or just easy in general? :) |
| 15:51 | Saturnation | trying to get it set up for my team remotely... |
| 15:51 | Saturnation | actually, not trying, but thinking about... |
| 15:53 | brehaut | Saturnation: you do know about the webkit inspector right? |
| 15:54 | Saturnation | so no |
| 15:55 | brehaut | Saturnation: its got a repl console, debugger, profiler, resource and network inspector, and dom + css inspector |
| 15:56 | dnolen | printable types branch here, https://github.com/clojure/clojurescript/compare/33-type-fn |
| 15:56 | Saturnation | I'm more interested in the ClojureScript because I'd hope it'd be a way to get the team interested in Clojure |
| 15:56 | dnolen | Saturnation: I don't know if it makes debugging JS easier, but it does make writing code a lot easier. |
| 15:57 | dnolen | Saturnation: it also removes lots of nasty JS corner cases |
| 15:58 | brehaut | in chrome its spanner > tools > developer tools, and in safari its develop > show web inspector |
| 15:58 | Saturnation | don't see anything obvious, but webkit inspector doesn't work with IE? |
| 15:58 | dnolen | Saturnation: no |
| 15:58 | dnolen | Saturnation: to debug IE you need Visual Studio Web |
| 15:58 | dnolen | well for IE < 8, but the IE 8 devs tools aren't that great either |
| 15:59 | Saturnation | thanks for the info, something to chew on for a bit :) |
| 15:59 | bbommarito | That is why I do not support IE. |
| 16:00 | dnolen | Saturnation: one thing I'm excited about is getting the ClojureScript analysis stuff going, I think that could actually make the debugging ClojureScript experience light years beyond JS |
| 16:00 | bbommarito | Pain in the butt really |
| 16:00 | srid | can this be made any more concise? -- (zero? (mod 6 4)) |
| 16:00 | brehaut | dnolen, Saturnation: IE has a rubbish inspector hidden behind F12 |
| 16:01 | brehaut | but you can still pause and inspect without VS |
| 16:01 | dnolen | srid: that's not concise enough for you? |
| 16:01 | srid | just wondering if there is any |
| 16:01 | srid | i was thinking of something like: (divisible? 6 4) |
| 16:01 | srid | that reduces 2 applications to one |
| 16:03 | brehaut | (def divisible? (comp zero? mod)) |
| 16:03 | srid | (min (f1 ...) (f1 ...) (f1 ...)) -- I want the 3rd value to `min` made conditional. what is the best way to do this? (apply min (conj (f1 ..) (f1..) (if condition (f1..))))? |
| 16:11 | Raynes | devn: Let me know if the docs aren't sufficient. We can talk about whatever. |
| 16:11 | gfredericks | srid: (zero? (mod 6 4)) can be shortened to false :) |
| 16:12 | bbommarito | gfredericks: Indeed, I think that would be the shortest way to write that. |
| 16:12 | bbommarito | And that is only one form. |
| 16:13 | gfredericks | bbommarito: maybe (def f false) somewhere for brevity |
| 16:14 | bbommarito | gfredericks: Hrmmm, yes that would work. I don't think you could get much smaller than that. |
| 16:14 | bbommarito | Unless...you define a space to be false... |
| 16:17 | bbommarito | Okay, how the Detroit Lions managed to do this, I am not entirely sure... |
| 16:23 | amalloy | srid: (apply min (into [(f1 ..) (f1..)] (if condition [(f1..)]))) |
| 16:24 | srid | also: (apply min (remove nil? [a b c ...])) |
| 16:24 | srid | (apply min (remove nil? [a b (if condition c) ...])) |
| 16:25 | amalloy | yeah. fwiw, that function's actually in useful already |
| 16:25 | Bahman | Hi all! |
| 16:26 | amalloy | https://github.com/flatland/useful/blob/develop/src/useful/utils.clj#L31 (built on ignoring-nils at https://github.com/flatland/useful/blob/develop/src/useful/fn.clj#L90 ) |
| 16:26 | Raynes | gfredericks: technomancy just pushed 1.3.5 to clojars officially, fyi. |
| 16:30 | gfredericks | Raynes: w00p, thx |
| 16:33 | devn | Raynes: cool, ill take a peek |
| 17:09 | jblomo | has there been any discussion on extending the object.method calling syntax sugar? |
| 17:10 | jblomo | eg (map .toString [1,2,3,4]) |
| 17:11 | amalloy | &(map (memfn toString) [1 2 3 4]) |
| 17:11 | lazybot | ⇒ ("1" "2" "3" "4") |
| 17:12 | amalloy | also: no. .toString is not a function, and i doubt it ever will be. it's a method and you have to treat it that way |
| 17:17 | devn | ha! so...as an experiment I've decided to rewrite a project we have at work in Clojure |
| 17:18 | ejackson | is there a way to get the classpath while in a clojurescript repl ? |
| 17:18 | devn | I'm about 4 hours in and I think I have almost all of it done |
| 17:25 | jblomo | amalloy: ah cool, i hadn't used memfn before, thanks |
| 17:26 | Wild_Cat | &(map #(.toString %1) [1,2,3,4]) |
| 17:26 | lazybot | ⇒ ("1" "2" "3" "4") |
| 17:27 | Wild_Cat | &(map #(.toString %) [1, 2, 3, 4]) |
| 17:27 | lazybot | ⇒ ("1" "2" "3" "4") |
| 17:30 | ejackson | to answer myself: put a call to print it out in the startup script. |
| 17:30 | ejackson | (before you start the cljs repl...) |
| 17:37 | spoon16_ | I have a vector [ 0 1 2 3 99 0 6 18 3 4 5 ] and a predicate #(< 10 %) how can I get back a sequence of sub-sequences where predicate is true on the original vector… so the result would be ( (0 1 2 3) (0 6) (3 4 5) ) |
| 17:37 | spoon16_ | take-while is close |
| 17:41 | lucian | spoon16_: sounds like 4clojure's longest increasing subsequence. you should be able to see other people's solution to it |
| 17:42 | brehaut | ,(take-nth 2 (partition-by #(< 10 %) [ 0 1 2 3 99 0 6 18 3 4 5 ])) |
| 17:42 | clojurebot | ((0 1 2 3) (0 6) (3 4 5)) |
| 17:42 | brehaut | spoon16: ^ |
| 17:42 | spoon16_ | nice |
| 17:43 | amalloy | brehaut: danger! coll might start with fitting or not-fitting the predicate |
| 17:43 | brehaut | amalloy: you are right |
| 17:44 | amalloy | just the other day i wrote, yet again, (defn partition-around [pred coll] (filter (comp pred first) (partition-by pred coll))) |
| 17:44 | amalloy | which does what spoon16 wants |
| 17:44 | spoon16_ | amalloy, thanks |
| 17:44 | amalloy | though i actually wanted remove instead of filter for my application, so i wrote that instead :P |
| 17:46 | dnolen | cljs.core.IFn, https://github.com/clojure/clojurescript/compare/96-ifn |
| 17:46 | ejackson | brehaut: that is cute. |
| 17:46 | brehaut | ejackson: and wrong half the time ;) |
| 17:47 | brehaut | amalloy: do you have (partial partial apply) as something in useful? |
| 17:48 | amalloy | hah. no, but that does sound useful |
| 17:49 | brehaut | incidentally, would that be a third order function? |
| 17:49 | amalloy | &(let [ap (partial partial apply)] (map (ap +) [[1 2 3] [4 5 6]])) or something, right? |
| 17:49 | lazybot | ⇒ (6 15) |
| 17:49 | brehaut | yeah |
| 17:50 | amalloy | i don't *think* so, because partial works just fine on first-order functions - that it receives a second-order function is "coincidental" in a way. but i'm not okasaki; maybe he disagrees |
| 17:50 | brehaut | yeah i have no idea |
| 17:51 | brehaut | propably it depends on the type signature |
| 17:56 | Raynes | devn: We're merging lein-newnew into Leiningen tonight or tomorrow. |
| 17:57 | Raynes | If you have any changes or anything, you might want to wait for that. |
| 18:24 | devn | Raynes: noted -- ill still take a look in a moment, doing some chores around the house |
| 19:07 | TimMc | Is "Simplicity Ain't Easy" worth watching after "Simple Made Easy"? |
| 19:22 | Saturnation | Is there a Clojure function for accessing the methods on a Java object? |
| 19:26 | TimMc | Saturnation: listing them? |
| 19:27 | scottj | Saturnation: slime? use the inspector |
| 19:29 | Saturnation | I've seen it done at the repl before, just not sure if it was Clojure or Java interop |
| 19:30 | Raynes | TimMc: Stalk'd https://gist.github.com/1381252 |
| 19:31 | amalloy | Saturnation: clojure.contrib.repl-utils used to have a show function that does that |
| 19:31 | amalloy | i don't think it's in 1.3 though? |
| 19:31 | TimMc | Raynes: Huh, cool. |
| 19:31 | Raynes | (.getMethods java.io.File) |
| 19:32 | Saturnation | Raynes, that's probably it, thanks :) |
| 19:32 | kephale | i always pprint the bean of the class |
| 19:32 | TimMc | Raynes: needs to be printable... |
| 19:33 | Raynes | (doseq [method (.getMethods java.io.File)] (println method)) |
| 19:35 | Saturnation | reflect seems to do something close to what I'm looking for... |
| 19:35 | TimMc | Raynes: Stalk'd https://gist.github.com/Raynes |
| 19:36 | Saturnation | or not... |
| 19:40 | amalloy | just call seq on it: then it's printable |
| 19:42 | Raynes | TimMc: https://gist.github.com/1381270 too bad I can't edit your bio to say "I <3 Raynes" |
| 19:44 | TimMc | Raynes: Check again. |
| 19:45 | Raynes | Hahaha |
| 19:45 | TimMc | Actually, I should put something a real bio in there. Thanks for reminding me... |
| 19:46 | Raynes | TimMc: Dude! |
| 19:46 | Raynes | TimMc: Clone tentacles and do it from your repl. :> |
| 19:46 | TimMc | too much typing |
| 19:46 | Raynes | Hardly any at all. |
| 19:46 | TimMc | to do the writing, I mean. |
| 19:46 | TimMc | also lazy |
| 19:47 | Raynes | Clone the repo, lein repl, (use 'tentacles.users), (edit {:auth "login:password" :bio "new bio"}) |
| 19:47 | Raynes | That's how Clojurians were meant to use Github. |
| 19:47 | TimMc | shouldn't be keyboarding at all |
| 19:48 | TimMc | back to videos -- maybe tomorrow is a hammock day at work |
| 19:49 | amalloy | "TimMc went from 'How do you work this dang GitBook thing' to 'I <3 Raynes'" |
| 19:54 | devn | Raynes: you should keep the cover of your book like that |
| 19:54 | Raynes | Everybody says that. |
| 19:55 | devn | I seriously do like it. |
| 19:56 | devn | The tentative ToC looks great also |
| 19:56 | devn | Yo dawg, I herd u liek data |
| 19:56 | devn | :D |
| 20:02 | TimMc | Raynes: Bug the github folks to allow SSH access to profiles. |
| 20:03 | Raynes | What use would that be? |
| 20:03 | devn | a big BBS! |
| 20:03 | amalloy | "SSH access to profiles"? i'm not clear on what that would mean |
| 20:09 | TimMc | Raynes: Not having to dig out my password and put it on disk. |
| 20:10 | TimMc | amalloy: Like, if they exposed a min-repo for everyone's profile I DON'T KNOW |
| 20:10 | TimMc | :-P |
| 20:20 | TimMc | Raynes: I don't like putting passwords on the command line, even inside a REPL. |
| 20:20 | TimMc | Maybe even more so in a REPL, since I don't know where the history is stored. |
| 20:21 | amalloy | TimMc: well, passing them as arguments to a process is clearly worse than giving them to a process on stdin |
| 20:21 | TimMc | yes |
| 20:22 | Raynes | Also, I'm doing this stuff in SLIME. |
| 20:22 | Raynes | Which isn't really the command-line. |
| 20:22 | Raynes | So there. |
| 20:34 | TimMc | Raynes: Does SLIME havew a persistent history? |
| 20:34 | amalloy | yes |
| 20:34 | Raynes | TimMc: Do you wear a tinfoil hat and sleep under a rock? |
| 20:34 | TimMc | Yes! |
| 20:35 | amalloy | it syncs your history to wikipedia for cloud persistence |
| 20:35 | TimMc | But mostly I am being belligerant. |
| 20:35 | TimMc | I do have an encrypted hard drive, so I should just shut up. :-) |
| 20:38 | TimMc | no, it is **** |
| 20:38 | amalloy | TimMc: your password is juxt too??? |
| 20:38 | lazybot | amalloy: Yes, 100% for sure. |
| 20:38 | TimMc | Nope, it is fnil. |
| 20:39 | TimMc | (haven't seen that used much recently) |
| 20:44 | scottj | cljs: can you pass a clj map to a gclosure function that expects a javascript object or do you have to convert it first? |
| 20:44 | amalloy | scottj: convert it |
| 20:44 | amalloy | well |
| 20:44 | brehaut | scottj: i hope so! javascript objects are retarded maps |
| 20:45 | amalloy | my understanding is that clojure has array-map and hash-map; cljs has hash-map and object-map |
| 20:45 | brehaut | (i hope you have to convert it) |
| 20:45 | amalloy | so you could pass an object-map in, i think, but not a hash-map |
| 20:45 | scottj | any idea how to convert it? |
| 20:46 | amalloy | (into (object-map) the-hash-map)? i dunno |
| 20:47 | scottj | I'd tried (into (js-obj) foo) but that didn't work |
| 20:47 | amalloy | i hear a lot of people have written a recursive converter, but the above should be fine for a flat map. bear in mind i know nothing about cljs though, aside from what i hear |
| 20:51 | TimMc | Does anyone have a public cljs REPL up on the web? That is, a REPL that is in a browser page. (I write CLJS, it is sent to the server for conversion, the resulting JS is executed in the browser, and the result is printed as CLJS in the REPL.) |
| 20:54 | lucian | is cljs self-hosted already? |
| 20:55 | TimMc | Can't be. |
| 20:55 | scottj | there is some clojurescript compiler web service package for the serverside part |
| 20:59 | amalloy | scottj: talking about the one announced on the ML last week? it looked atrocious |
| 20:59 | TimMc | Is the compiler generally safe to run on arbitrary code? |
| 21:00 | amalloy | TimMc: i've pondered that myself, and i can't think of any counterxamples but i'm still not sure |
| 21:00 | amalloy | aside from *read-eval*, of course |
| 21:01 | TimMc | This is the first time I've seen a compelling demo of multimethods and hierarchy: http://pragprog.com/magazines/2011-07/growing-a-dsl-with-clojure |
| 21:01 | amalloy | TimMc: i wrote another one you might like |
| 21:02 | TimMc | shoot |
| 21:02 | amalloy | https://github.com/flatland/depot/blob/develop/src/depot/pom.clj |
| 21:02 | brehaut | haha xml is the perfect usecase for multis :) |
| 21:03 | amalloy | produces a prxml-style vector for a pom.xml, and uses a "list" type that dependency/exclusion lists derive from |
| 21:04 | amalloy | dependency/repository, i guess |
| 21:04 | TimMc | no docstrings ಠ_ಠ |
| 21:04 | amalloy | TimMc: well, there's only one thing you could put a docstring on, right? xml-tags |
| 21:04 | TimMc | yeah |
| 21:04 | devn | you're in trouble! |
| 21:04 | amalloy | and look, brehaut, it's using partial apply again! that needs to get into useful, stat |
| 21:04 | devn | no docstrings! |
| 21:04 | brehaut | TimMc: amalloy only needs one docstring; the one on juxt |
| 21:05 | TimMc | haha |
| 21:05 | amalloy | *chuckle* |
| 21:05 | devn | hah |
| 21:05 | brehaut | amalloy: awesome :) |
| 21:05 | devn | that's really nice. |
| 21:05 | amalloy | devn: i added that! |
| 21:06 | devn | !!! wha!? That's /awesome/. |
| 21:06 | brehaut | devn: the pygments clojure brush is a really nice tool |
| 21:06 | devn | brehaut: didn't you just work on that? |
| 21:06 | brehaut | devn: nope |
| 21:06 | brehaut | ive been working on the javascript one |
| 21:06 | devn | who was that? the ANN about the updated syntax highlighter. |
| 21:06 | devn | ah yes |
| 21:07 | Raynes | SyntaxHighlighter != pygments. |
| 21:07 | amalloy | github's highlighter is pygments, the python thingy |
| 21:07 | brehaut | different ends of the toobs |
| 21:07 | devn | got my syntaxhighlighter and pygments mixed up |
| 21:07 | devn | *nod* I've used them both |
| 21:07 | devn | syntaxhighlighter had some semi-crappy defaults when I last used it |
| 21:07 | devn | hopefully that's changed a bit? |
| 21:07 | brehaut | devn: oh my yes |
| 21:07 | brehaut | the CSS in particular is pretty hoary on syntax highlighter |
| 21:08 | amalloy | devn: https://bitbucket.org/amalloy/pygments-main/changeset/6835410c2c6c#chg_pygments/lexers/agile.py_newline1428 |
| 21:08 | Raynes | syntaxhighlighter is a big ol' bag o' crap. |
| 21:08 | devn | brehaut: yeah, i've been through that |
| 21:08 | Raynes | brehaut: Why don't you write a syntax highlighter in Clojure? |
| 21:08 | Raynes | brehaut: 4Clojure (and I) could use that. |
| 21:08 | TimMc | in cljs |
| 21:08 | devn | didnt licenser do that? |
| 21:08 | devn | once upon a time? |
| 21:08 | Raynes | Man, not everything has to be in cljs just because it exists. |
| 21:08 | Raynes | devn: Yep. |
| 21:08 | Raynes | Would be something to look at. |
| 21:08 | amalloy | Raynes: wait, why would we want one in clojure? 4clojure should just use brehaut's js brush |
| 21:08 | licenser | devn: what did I do? |
| 21:08 | Raynes | Hasn't been updated or worked in in 10 thousand years. |
| 21:09 | devn | licenser: you wrote a syntax highlighter for clojure in clojure |
| 21:09 | licenser | yes I did :)( |
| 21:09 | devn | :) |
| 21:09 | Raynes | amalloy: Because why do we want a JS syntax highlighter? |
| 21:09 | licenser | and I am happy to support it if anyone actually wants to use it ;) |
| 21:09 | brehaut | licenser: the smart choice |
| 21:10 | Raynes | Do you not have enough JS to load or something? |
| 21:10 | brehaut | Raynes: in that case, whats 700 more lines? |
| 21:10 | Raynes | Indeed. |
| 21:10 | amalloy | devn: actually, i got highlighting of ::foo keywords wrong; i should fix that |
| 21:10 | devn | amalloy: why do you say it is wrong? |
| 21:10 | devn | they stand out. |
| 21:11 | licenser | if you want the syntax highlighted in js you probably could use clojurescript to convert it :P |
| 21:11 | brehaut | licenser: have you got a link to your highlighter handy? |
| 21:11 | devn | no! your syntax highlighter needs to be its own node.js app! |
| 21:11 | amalloy | devn: well, the fact that other keywords don't stand out is due to github's js |
| 21:11 | licenser | brehaut: https://github.com/Licenser/clj-highlight |
| 21:12 | amalloy | er, css |
| 21:12 | brehaut | licenser: thanks |
| 21:12 | licenser | brehaut: if there is something you need from it you can just drop me a query :) |
| 21:12 | brehaut | haha mangler.clj ftw |
| 21:12 | amalloy | if you look at the page, you can see that `:foo` is marked as a "name, constant" (class=no), and `foo` is marked as a "name, variable" (class=nv). they only look the same because github's css doesn't distinguish |
| 21:13 | brehaut | licenser: sure; im mostly curious to see how you wrote it |
| 21:13 | amalloy | the highlighted : at the front of ::foo was not something i intended, i think |
| 21:13 | licenser | brehaut: sure sure :) |
| 21:13 | licenser | Raynes: also for you if you want to use the highlighter for 4clojure feel free to bug me with updates ;) |
| 21:14 | devn | brehaut: licenser: haha, mangler.clj indeed |
| 21:14 | licenser | what where? |
| 21:14 | devn | https://github.com/Licenser/clj-highlight/blob/master/src/clj_highlight/mangler.clj |
| 21:15 | licenser | I fail to see the fun in that - probably that is the funny part about it |
| 21:15 | brehaut | its a fun name |
| 21:15 | devn | oh, i rather liked the code |
| 21:15 | devn | :) |
| 21:16 | licenser | ah |
| 21:18 | brehaut | Raynes: re: why i wrote my brush for syntax highlighter: because clojure isnt the only language i want to highlight on my site, and because i didnt want to write all the dom reading and generating nonsense myself |
| 21:19 | Raynes | brehaut: I was responding to amalloy when I said "why do we want a JS highlighter". I think your brush is awesome. |
| 21:19 | brehaut | Raynes: initially i was just going to use the existing brush to appease technomancy, and then i discovered that i could improve on it by starting from scratch |
| 21:19 | brehaut | Raynes: ah right. thanks :) |
| 21:19 | amalloy | Raynes: we already have a js highlighter |
| 21:20 | amalloy | it would be nice to have a less-crappy one instead |
| 21:20 | Raynes | Yes, but why would we choose to use it over a decent Clojure highlighter? We wouldn't have to load SyntaxHighlighter or deal with it. |
| 21:20 | Raynes | I can understand why we wouldn't put effort forth to obtain one, but if one already existed and was up to date... |
| 21:21 | amalloy | Raynes: i guess rendering it server-side might be nice. i hadn't really thought of doing it |
| 21:22 | amalloy | it might even be simpler, but it's certainly not easier. with JS, you can just dump it on the page with a "plz render this" note |
| 21:22 | Raynes | HEH |
| 21:23 | brehaut | just whatever you do, dont use the syntaxhighlighter autoloader if you can help it; that thing seems frighteningly inefficent |
| 21:24 | amalloy | i wonder if we're doing that |
| 21:24 | chouser | amalloy: looking at your macro patches. tricky problem. |
| 21:26 | slyphon | so, i'm messing around with apache zookeeper, and one thing you have to do is write an event dispatcher (where you register functions to be called when a node changes), is that something that would be a good fit w/ agents? |
| 21:26 | amalloy | thanks! let me know if i can help with something, chouser |
| 21:26 | brehaut | amalloy: you arent; the brush is included explicity |
| 21:26 | slyphon | i've done it in other languages w/ a threadpool popping off a queue |
| 21:27 | chouser | slyphon: an agent only has its own queue. if you want multiple threads pulling from a single queue, you'd be better off with an actual java concurrent queue. |
| 21:28 | slyphon | hmm |
| 21:29 | slyphon | mm'kay |
| 21:29 | chouser | agents are primarily a way to manage state. they can be forced into other roles, but tend not to give you the flexibility you'll want. |
| 21:31 | slyphon | the zookeeper client delivers events on a separate thread, and in my other wrappers I've taken those events and turned them into hashes, then called any number of user-registered callbacks with the data |
| 21:31 | slyphon | i guess that doesn't sound like a great fit |
| 21:33 | slyphon | also, interop question, how do i get at this interface? http://zookeeper.apache.org/doc/r3.3.3/api/index.html |
| 21:33 | slyphon | d'oh |
| 21:33 | slyphon | nvm |
| 21:34 | slyphon | ah yes, the nasty '$' weirdness |
| 21:34 | Raynes | chouser: You guys have got to accept his patch, man. If he submits even just one more patch without a resulting Clojure commit, the world is going to implode. |
| 21:35 | Raynes | I don't even care if it's correct. |
| 21:35 | slyphon | hahaha |
| 21:35 | chouser | amalloy: so, I don't fully understand everything that's going on here, but what should this return? |
| 21:35 | chouser | (binding [*print-meta* true] (prn ^{:foo :bar} (let [] ^{:bing :bang} [1 2 3])) |
| 21:36 | chouser | Raynes: he's committing directly to data.xml, for whatever that's worth to the structural stability of the universe. |
| 21:37 | Raynes | That only saves Jericho. |
| 21:37 | amalloy | chouser: certainly it shouldn't include foo/bar. i'm not sure about bing/bang because i don't know if reader meta on collection "code" turns into meta on the collections at runtime |
| 21:37 | amalloy | i'd guess no meta at all |
| 21:38 | amalloy | &(binding [*print-meta* true] (meta ^{:bing :bang} [1 2 3])) ;; that is, it should print the same as this, whatever that is |
| 21:38 | lazybot | java.lang.SecurityException: You tripped the alarm! pop-thread-bindings is bad! |
| 21:38 | amalloy | ,(binding [*print-meta* true] (meta ^{:bing :bang} [1 2 3])) |
| 21:38 | clojurebot | {:bing :bang} |
| 21:38 | chouser | why shouldn't foo/bar be on the vector? I'm clearly missing something about the point of this change still, sorry. |
| 21:39 | amalloy | chouser: because that's putting meta on the form, for the compiler to use in interop or other scenarios |
| 21:39 | amalloy | not putting meta on the value at runtime |
| 21:40 | chouser | Mmm. ok. |
| 21:40 | amalloy | sounds good. i'll go get dinner now that i've got you busy |
| 21:40 | chouser | :-) |
| 21:41 | Raynes | amalloy_: I want dinner. |
| 21:42 | amalloy_ | Raynes: fyi you're a jerk for sending me an irrelevant highlight while i'm trying to leave |
| 21:42 | Raynes | I know. |
| 21:54 | srid | wouldn't it be nice if I can filter, process, group, ... irc messages in the REPL? "irc log as data"? |
| 21:55 | slyphon | sounds like a database of some sort is in your future |
| 21:58 | brehaut | srid: raynes has something for you there. |
| 21:59 | brehaut | srid: irclj |
| 21:59 | brehaut | register functions to receive giant maps of irc data |
| 22:00 | duck1123 | I learned how to use Sphinx by indexing my wife's irc logs |
| 22:00 | slyphon | sounds like you're kind of the jealous type |
| 22:01 | srid | right. now I need to find a way to "group" conversation. eg: the one between chouser, amalloy_ and Raynes would be one "group" |
| 22:01 | gfredericks | I'd be shocked if I found out my wife had an irc log |
| 22:01 | slyphon | hah |
| 22:01 | duck1123 | I didn't look at any of them, but I taught her how to use grep and was looking for a better way |
| 22:02 | slyphon | hah, yeah, it's probably a decent dataset |
| 22:04 | ajsharp | so i'm trying to extract day / month info out of Date objects -- is the best way to do this to use java's Calendar object? |
| 22:05 | duck1123 | jodatime |
| 22:06 | duck1123 | there's clj-time on top of that |
| 22:07 | ajsharp | duck1123: is jodatime an external package? |
| 22:07 | duck1123 | yes |
| 22:09 | brehaut | clj-time is a popular wrapper around joda |
| 22:11 | ajsharp | brehaut: does clj-time work for both dates and times? |
| 22:11 | brehaut | i think so |
| 22:11 | ajsharp | cool |
| 22:11 | brehaut | it makes joda more straight forward anyway, and has coercion functions |
| 22:11 | ajsharp | gotcha |
| 22:11 | ajsharp | o |
| 22:12 | ajsharp | i'm pretty new to clojure, is there a documentation site for third-party projects? |
| 22:12 | ajsharp | similar to rdoc.info? |
| 22:20 | duck1123 | not really. It's pretty scattered at this point. usually the docs are linked from the individual github pages |
| 22:21 | duck1123 | when all else fails, there's the source and clojure.repl/doc |
| 22:28 | devn | yikes: http://pragprog.com/magazines/2011-07/growing-a-dsl-with-clojure |
| 22:28 | devn | there are a lot of errors in there. |
| 22:28 | lucian | clojure *needs* to ship with better stack traces |
| 22:28 | brehaut | lucian: what counts as better? |
| 22:29 | lucian | brehaut: almost anything except what it has now? |
| 22:29 | brehaut | lucian: constructive |
| 22:29 | devn | lucian: so, i don't disagree, but to play devil's advocate, it has been shipping without great stacktraces for quite awhile and people are using it |
| 22:29 | devn | they don't actually bother me :X |
| 22:29 | lucian | brehaut: more relevant to your clojure code |
| 22:30 | lucian | accurate line numbers, less java machinery |
| 22:30 | lucian | it's just so annoying |
| 22:30 | brehaut | ive never encounted the line numbers not being accurate except in the repl |
| 22:30 | brehaut | (and then, they probably are, but they dont map to anything meaningful)( |
| 22:30 | devn | ajsharp: a lot of the documentation you'll find is in the code. |
| 22:30 | lucian | hmm |
| 22:30 | devn | ,(doc +) |
| 22:31 | clojurebot | "([] [x] [x y] [x y & more]); Returns the sum of nums. (+) returns 0. Does not auto-promote longs, will throw on overflow. See also: +'" |
| 22:31 | lucian | brehaut: you can't argue they're not worse than Pythons, though |
| 22:31 | brehaut | lucian: basicly, i dont like people complaining about removing information from the stack traces |
| 22:31 | devn | ajsharp: http://clojuredocs.org has some third party projects included |
| 22:31 | ajsharp | duck1123: cool, thanks |
| 22:31 | ajsharp | devn: so i can run (doc whatever) from the repl? |
| 22:32 | devn | ajsharp: yes, you can also run (source whatever), as long as you're (use 'clojure.repl) |
| 22:32 | lucian | ajsharp: find-doc is also useful |
| 22:32 | brehaut | lucian: pythons are simpler for sure, but python is also simpler; using imperative idioms implies smaller stacks |
| 22:32 | devn | ,(ns-refers 'clojure.repl) |
| 22:32 | clojurebot | {sorted-map #'clojure.core/sorted-map, read-line #'clojure.core/read-line, re-pattern #'clojure.core/re-pattern, keyword? #'clojure.core/keyword?, unchecked-inc-int #'clojure.core/unchecked-inc-int, ...} |
| 22:32 | ajsharp | devn: lucian awesome, thanks |
| 22:32 | lucian | brehaut: that's not the source of clojure's problem, though |
| 22:32 | devn | ,(source juxt) |
| 22:32 | clojurebot | Source not found |
| 22:33 | devn | oh right |
| 22:33 | lucian | brehaut: even strict JS bas better stack traces |
| 22:33 | devn | ,(source interleave) |
| 22:33 | clojurebot | Source not found |
| 22:33 | devn | ,(source #'clojure.core/interleave) |
| 22:33 | clojurebot | #<ClassCastException java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.PersistentList cannot be cast to clojure.lang.Symbol> |
| 22:33 | devn | what am I doing wrong on these? |
| 22:34 | devn | why wouldn't clojurebot have that source? |
| 22:34 | brehaut | lucian: im not sure what 'better' means |
| 22:34 | lucian | &(source +) |
| 22:34 | lazybot | java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resolve symbol: source in this context |
| 22:34 | lucian | ,(source +) |
| 22:34 | clojurebot | Source not found |
| 22:34 | devn | &(use 'clojure.repl) |
| 22:34 | lazybot | ⇒ nil |
| 22:34 | devn | &(source +) |
| 22:34 | lazybot | ⇒ Source not found nil |
| 22:34 | lucian | brehaut: you can find the cause, easily |
| 22:34 | devn | must be a sandboxing thing |
| 22:34 | lucian | brehaut: it's odd that you're defending a flaw in clojure |
| 22:35 | devn | ,(meta #'clojure.core/interleave) |
| 22:35 | clojurebot | {:ns #<Namespace clojure.core>, :name interleave, :arglists ([c1 c2] [c1 c2 & colls]), :added "1.0", :static true, ...} |
| 22:35 | lucian | even some simple formatting would improve things a lot |
| 22:35 | devn | ,(:doc (meta #'clojure.core/interleave)) |
| 22:35 | clojurebot | "Returns a lazy seq of the first item in each coll, then the second etc." |
| 22:35 | brehaut | lucian: im not defending them per se; i just get sick of people ranting about the stack traces by saying blanket, empty statements like 'they suck. language X is better' |
| 22:35 | devn | ajsharp: the above is a slightly more verbose way of getting the docstring for a function, but (source +) should work for you as long as you are using (use 'clojure.repl) |
| 22:36 | devn | err (doc +) |
| 22:36 | lucian | brehaut: i only said "language X's stack traces are better" |
| 22:36 | ajsharp | devn: so i just need to use 'clojure.repl in my source file, and i'll get all these doc functions? |
| 22:36 | lucian | which they are, for almost any language except C/C++ |
| 22:36 | devn | ajsharp: one more thing for you... |
| 22:36 | devn | &(apropos "take") |
| 22:36 | lazybot | ⇒ (take-while take-nth take-last take) |
| 22:37 | devn | ajsharp: yes |
| 22:37 | devn | ajsharp: note that if you're doing it from the ns macro it will be slightly different (ns myproject.core (:use [clojure.repl])) |
| 22:38 | devn | ajsharp: vs (use 'clojure.repl) |
| 22:38 | devn | ^-(when you're not in the (ns) macro) |
| 22:38 | ajsharp | right |
| 22:38 | ajsharp | i'm a little confused what's going on with the ns macro...do i have to use :use b/c ns takes a hashmap of options? |
| 22:39 | devn | ajsharp: actually i dont think you have to use :use anymore |
| 22:39 | devn | (on 1.3) |
| 22:40 | devn | you can use (ns foo.core (use [clojure.repl)) |
| 22:41 | ajsharp | ah |
| 22:41 | ajsharp | i see |
| 22:41 | devn | ajsharp: but yes, in the past your statement would have held |
| 22:43 | daaku | any moustache users around? i'm wondering how to bind a static path component held in a var and prevent moustache from thinking it's the local name of a bound segment |
| 22:44 | devn | daaku: post the code? |
| 22:44 | brehaut | daaku: ive used moustache a bit. im not quite sure i understand what you are asking though |
| 22:44 | devn | (in a gist if it's long please) |
| 22:44 | ajsharp | devn: great, thanks for all your help |
| 22:44 | devn | ajsharp: np! |
| 22:45 | daaku | something like: (defn- routes [mount] (app ["admin" mount &] my-handler)) |
| 22:45 | devn | daaku: hm, this is old stuff I have but maybe it will help? |
| 22:46 | devn | [#".*\.js" {:get [(file-response "resources/public")]} |
| 22:46 | devn | err |
| 22:46 | devn | [#".*\.js"] {:get [(file-response "resources/public")]} |
| 22:46 | daaku | devn: i'm not sure i follow how that helps |
| 22:47 | devn | daaku: you said static path component, i thought "file" |
| 22:48 | devn | daaku: ["example" mount] {:get [(fn [req] (my-handler req))]} ??? |
| 22:48 | lazybot | devn: Yes, 100% for sure. |
| 22:49 | daaku | oh, no. moustache is treating "mount" as something it'll bind to. what i'd like is instead to have it use the value of mount as is passed into the function "routes". since (app) is a macro, it seems like i need some way to trigger inlining the value of "mount" instead of passing in the symbol mount. i think |
| 22:50 | devn | daaku: so, I suppose I should have asked this first, but what are you trying to do? |
| 22:50 | brehaut | daaku: the problem you are encountering is that the syntax already has meaning for a symbol. without getting into form mangling, you would probably have to do something like… ["example" [_ #(when (= % mount) %)]] … |
| 22:51 | brehaut | (ie using a validator function for evil) |
| 22:51 | brehaut | devn: sorry |
| 22:51 | daaku | brehaut: that sounds like my problem and solution :) |
| 22:52 | devn | you know, there was a time, it didn't last long, but there was a time, when this channel was not as active, and I could sit here and spin around in my chair and answer questions in a leisurely manner |
| 22:52 | devn | those days are over |
| 22:52 | brehaut | daaku: its a horrible solution |
| 22:52 | daaku | agree it's hacky though, isn't this common? |
| 22:52 | brehaut | i dont think so |
| 22:53 | brehaut | personally, id probably write a ring handler for the interstitial step |
| 22:53 | devn | that's where i was going next |
| 22:53 | brehaut | rather than abuse validators |
| 22:53 | devn | sounds like middleware |
| 22:53 | brehaut | yeah pretty much |
| 22:53 | brehaut | the only trick is to update the request map so that the inner moustache app gets the correctly abbreviated url |
| 22:53 | daaku | it's basically gonna do the same thing, extract out the segment, compare, and return nil or invoke the handler |
| 22:54 | amalloy | devn: use vs :use has not changed in 1.3 - it's been that way forever, but :use is preferred |
| 22:54 | brehaut | daaku: of course |
| 22:55 | micrypt | Anyone know of a clojure riak driver? |
| 22:55 | devn | amalloy: crazy, i've been cargo culting for so long, and I skimmed a recent post about ns macro changes (:require :refer...) which said something about naked require/use in the ns macro |
| 22:55 | devn | amalloy: thanks for the info |
| 22:56 | amalloy | well, that was my groups post |
| 22:56 | devn | is there a good reason why we still err on the side of keywordized use/require |
| 22:56 | brehaut | daaku: if you do use the abused validator, push it out into a named function |
| 22:59 | brehaut | devn: rich likes it? |
| 23:00 | devn | brehaut: ? "John forgot how much he loved moustache" |
| 23:00 | devn | brehaut: i did a /me, not sure where you got the idea I was talking about Rich |
| 23:02 | amalloy | devn: <devn> is there a good reason why we still err on the side of keywordized use/require |
| 23:02 | devn | amalloy: brehaut: ahhh, sorry, thought you were responding to moustache love |
| 23:05 | brehaut | yeah sorry |
| 23:05 | brehaut | (got distracted by a dog ralphing on the floor in the office) |
| 23:05 | devn | bahaha |
| 23:09 | brehaut | it'd be funny if it werent for the smell |
| 23:09 | amalloy | brehaut: and the rest of us can't smell it, so... |
| 23:09 | brehaut | amalloy: feel free to laught it up |
| 23:09 | brehaut | s/t // |
| 23:09 | gfredericks | Huh. Apparently you can even use strings in the use/require expressions. |
| 23:11 | amalloy | gfredericks: it's just calling name |
| 23:11 | gfredericks | yeah I figured so. |
| 23:12 | gfredericks | I'm gonna start sticking strings everywhere just to see what works |
| 23:12 | amalloy | that's pretty funny, though. gives you a little creative license in your namespaces |
| 23:12 | gfredericks | the namespace name can't be a string |
| 23:12 | amalloy | ("use" some-lib-we-dont-really-need) |
| 23:13 | gfredericks | haha |
| 23:14 | gfredericks | the ironic :use |
| 23:24 | gfredericks | ("require" [clojure.string "as if" i-cared]) |
| 23:25 | amalloy | ("refer" [clojure.xml :only []]) ;; because xml is a buzzword |
| 23:27 | gfredericks | :D |
| 23:27 | keith_ | is there a way to serialize several versions of a map and take advantage of their shared structure? |
| 23:31 | amalloy | keith_: probably if you use java serialization it Just Works |
| 23:32 | keith_ | oh wow thats brilliant, I didn't even think of that |
| 23:42 | devn | hm, a lib using clojure.contrib.pprint is blowing up on missing ^:dynamic annotations |
| 23:43 | hiredman | old lib |
| 23:43 | devn | what's the right course of action here? |
| 23:43 | hiredman | clojure.contrib.pprint has been defunct since 1.2 |
| 23:43 | devn | (to get it to 1.3) |
| 23:43 | hiredman | pprint has been clojure.pprint since 1.2 |
| 23:44 | devn | *nod* -- but it has 26 of the 38 things clojure.contrib.pprint had |
| 23:44 | hiredman | yes |
| 23:44 | hiredman | so the library you are trying to use is dead |
| 23:45 | hiredman | (if it wasn't, you'd assume it would have been fixed sometime in the past year) |
| 23:45 | devn | I'm trying to fix it. |
| 23:45 | hiredman | so, fork and fix or don't use it |
| 23:45 | devn | lol, yes. |
| 23:47 | devn | hiredman: i'm asking about fixing errors between old pprint and new pprint |
| 23:49 | devn | nvm |
| 23:54 | seancorfield | and presumably you're relying on some of those missing 12 things? |
| 23:56 | ibdknox_ | hm, I must've left my IRC at work on... whoops |
