#clojure – 2011-01-30

2011-01-30

02:37	duck1123	Does anyone know if CDT works with 1.3? I'm able to set breakpoints and step around, but whenever I try to reval, I get an exception
06:23	LauJensen	Morning all ya'll
06:25	robonobo	mornin'
06:25	bsteuber	hi
07:57	robonobo	is there a macro for (cond (= foo bar) (...) (= baz bar) (...) ...)
07:57	robonobo	?
07:59	MayDaniel	robonobo: (case bar foo (..) baz (...)) or (condp = bar foo (...) baz (...))
07:59	robonobo	MayDaniel: thanks!
08:24	pyr	hi
08:24	pyr	when starting lein repl, should i be able to directly access my namespaces ?
09:11	odyssomay	which is best? http://pastebin.com/5DcT5zM8
09:13	cinch	pyr: yes, when you start the repl you're in the user namespace, then you can switch to another namespace with (in-ns 'my.name.space)
09:16	bsteuber	odyssomay: I'd use (reduce * (range 1 x))
09:16	bsteuber	,(reduce * (range 1 3))
09:16	clojurebot	2
09:17	bsteuber	,(reduce * (range 1 (inc 3)))
09:17	clojurebot	6
09:18	odyssomay	bsteuber: yes, that's alot better
09:21	odyssomay	More generally: is it OK to create different versions of a function wich is only used by the function itself? (as I did with fact2 in the paste above)
09:22	bsteuber	I think if it's not meant to be used from other functions, an inner function is cleaner
09:23	odyssomay	ok
09:23	bsteuber	or a private helper function
09:30	odyssomay	bsteuber: btw, using (reduce * (range 1 (inc x))) takes ~10ms with x=1000, recursively (with recur) it takes ~4ms
09:44	LauJensen	odyssomay: Like, that is just Hotspot warming up, test with Criterium
09:49	odyssomay	LauJensen: hotspot?
09:49	LauJensen	odyssomay: yes sir
09:51	LauJensen	odyssomay: grab this https://github.com/hugoduncan/criterium then run (bench :verbose ...) where ... is first your reducer version and second the recur version, then paste the results in here
10:17	no_mind	is there an online index for clojure symbols/operators such as ~@, ->, --> . Searching google for these is useless
10:19	opqdonut	clojuredocs.org is pretty nice
10:20	Vinzent	there is cheatsheet in pdf on clojure.org
10:21	mrBliss	no_mind: like opqdonut said: http://clojuredocs.org/quickref/Clojure%20Core
10:44	raek	how would you interleave two sequences (def a [0 1 2 3]) (def b [:a :b :c]) into (0 :a 1 :b 2 :c 3)?
10:45	raek	I'm only interested in interleaving two sequences, where the first one might have one element more than the second one
10:45	opqdonut	,(flatten (map vector [0 1 2 3] [:a :b :c]))
10:45	clojurebot	(0 :a 1 :b 2 :c)
10:46	raek	the 3 is missing ;-)
10:46	opqdonut	yeah
10:46	tomoj	I think this works https://gist.github.com/73c9627bb97c36bbe6e0
10:46	tomoj	gotta be a nicer way to do it of course
10:46	opqdonut	of course a recursive solution is easy to write
10:51	raek	my recursive solution: https://gist.github.com/802959
10:53	raek	tomoj: opqdonut: thanks for the input
11:22	robonobo	i tried to make a lazy interweave as well, but the lazy part doesn't seem to work. https://gist.github.com/802982 What am i doing wrong?
11:24	Chousuke	robonobo: loop is not lazy
11:25	robonobo	is there something i could use in replacement?
11:25	raek	robonobo: you should do the work inside the lazy-seq form
11:25	Chousuke	what is interweave supposed to do?
11:25	odyssomay	LauJensen: http://pastebin.com/MarSzNJs
11:25	robonobo	Chousuke: Take two collections and return a lazy seq of alternating items
11:25	robonobo	from the first coll, then from the second etc until one of the
11:25	robonobo	collections is runs out of elements.
11:25	raek	robonobo: yes. ordinary recursive calls, but having the code that performs the recursive call inside a lazy-seq form
11:25	Chousuke	robonobo: interleave? :P
11:26	raek	(I renamed mine "alternate")
11:26	LauJensen	odyssomay: Would be great to see the code as well
11:26	robonobo	raek: so (lazy-seq (loop [] (recur)) ?
11:27	raek	almost. do the looping by recursive calls: (defn foo [x] (lazy-seq ... (foo (rest x)) ...))
11:27	odyssomay	LauJensen: http://pastebin.com/pWNP7z7x
11:27	raek	all code inside lazy-seq will be delayed
11:28	raek	it will be evaluated when the you call seq (or any sequence function) on the object returned by the lazy-seq form
11:28	raek	s/when the you/when you/
11:28	sexpbot	<raek> it will be evaluated when you call seq (or any sequence function) on the object returned by the lazy-seq form
11:29	LauJensen	odyssomay: I think it may be because fact4 is working on a seq and fact3 isnt. Also internalReduce is probably doing some optimization.
11:30	tomoj	&(do (map inc (lazy-seq (println "foo") '(3))) nil)
11:30	sexpbot	⟹ nil
11:30	LauJensen	&(time (dotimes [i 1000] (loop [acc 1 x (range 1 100)] (if (seq x) (recur (* acc (first x)) (next x))))))
11:30	sexpbot	⟹ "Elapsed time: 122.954677 msecs" nil
11:30	LauJensen	&(time (dotimes [i 1000] (reduce * (range 1 100))))
11:30	sexpbot	⟹ "Elapsed time: 117.813001 msecs" nil
11:33	odyssomay	LauJensen: I see
11:35	raek	robonobo: to play around with laziness, I recommend something like this: https://gist.github.com/480608
11:36	raek	try something like (def x (ask-the-user-seq)) and try to call (first x) (take 3 x) etc
11:36	robonobo	raek: thanks, I find laziness hard to wrap my brain around. Are there any good tutorials?
11:38	raek	well, there's this one: http://clojure.blip.tv/file/734409/
11:38	raek	but it's slightly out of date
11:39	robonobo	the example you gave is a pretty good starting point
11:39	raek	(lazy-cons has been replaced by lazy-seq, empty seq and nil is not the same thing anymore)
11:39	raek	,(doc lazy-seq)
11:39	clojurebot	"([& body]); Takes a body of expressions that returns an ISeq or nil, and yields a Seqable object that will invoke the body only the first time seq is called, and will cache the result and return it ...
11:40	pppaul	hey, i'm having problems with (ns mynamespace (:require [myfile :as :mycode]). clojure can't find myfile.clj even though it's in the same folder as the file looking for it
11:41	raek	I think the docs for lazy-seq accurately describes how it works. though it probably does not help you with getting a feel for how lazy seqs are written
11:41	raek	robonobo: also, check out this: http://clojure.org/lazy
11:41	pppaul	,(#(% # (% %)))
11:41	clojurebot	No dispatch macro for:
11:42	raek	pppaul: are you using leiningen or cake?
11:42	pppaul	leiningen (but i'm outside of it now, running from emacs)
11:42	pppaul	should i start up my project from leiningen
11:43	raek	why? swank-clojure + slime allows you to have both...
11:43	pppaul	i cus i think my emacs is a bit broken (swank/slime problems)
11:43	pppaul	my slime is fucked
11:44	pppaul	is it hard to do this without swank/slime?
11:44	raek	I find it easiest to install slime from ELPA/package.el
11:44	raek	and then M-x slime-connect to the swank server
11:44	raek	that you start with "lein swank" at the terminal
11:45	pppaul	so, do i start up the server via lein, and then connect in emacs?
11:45	raek	managing the classpath yourself is (IMHO) not worth it
11:45	pppaul	will this solve the problem i'm having with clojure having the wrong classpath?
11:45	raek	pppaul: yes
11:45	pppaul	booooo classpath
11:45	raek	lein is made for handling the classpath
11:45	pppaul	ok, time to fix slime
11:46	pppaul	is cake easier?
11:46	raek	https://github.com/technomancy/swank-clojure
11:46	raek	I would say it's fairy equivalent
11:46	raek	you use it the same way
11:46	pppaul	i don't know the difference
11:47	raek	it started as a separate project. lein and cake are now very similar for basic tasks
11:47	raek	the swank-clojure readme (see previous link) contains most that you need to use swank-clojure and slime
11:49	raek	if you use technomancy's emacs-starter-kit, installing slime is even more simpler, since you have package.el from the beginning
11:50	pppaul	ok, i didn't do the starter kit, i'll try that too
11:50	pppaul	i have problems installing slime or swank-clojure in emacs now
11:50	pppaul	troubleshooting time
11:50	raek	anyway, beware that the 'swank-clojure.el' emacs file (which used to let you start a swank server by running M-x slime) is deprecated
11:51	raek	don't install swank-clojure in emacs
11:52	raek	technomancy's Durendal project is a good replacement for it. it uses leiningen to do its tasks, but makes it easy to call from emacs
11:55	raek	there's two things called "swank-clojure": 1) the clojure library swank-clojure and 2) the deprecated emacs file "swank-clojure.el", which was used for starting 1)
12:20	no_mind	how do I include a clojure lib for use in repl /
12:22	markskilbeck	no_mind: http://clojure.org/libs
12:22	tomoj	how do you get at a public field with the same name as a public nullary method?
12:23	tomoj	need to read it I mean
12:23	raek	tomoj: does Foo/bar for the field and (Foo/bar) for the nullary method work?
12:24	tomoj	instance fields and methods, I should've said
12:24	raek	no_mind: use a build tool like leiningen or cake
12:25	raek	,(.width (java.awt.Dimension. 1 2)) ; <-- instance field
12:25	clojurebot	1
12:25	raek	,(.getWidth (java.awt.Dimension. 1 2)) ; <-- instance field
12:25	clojurebot	1.0
12:25	raek	s/field/method/
12:25	sexpbot	<raek> ,(.getWidth (java.awt.Dimension. 1 2)) ; <-- instance method
12:26	raek	hrm. but what happens when they have the same name?
12:26	tomoj	exactly
12:26	tomoj	the method appears to be called
12:26	no_mind	markskilbeck: that doesnt solve the problem. I have downloaded congomongo in a dir and I can :use it in a program. My problem is, i want to use the congomongo in repl. From repl when I execute (:use somnium.congomongo), I get an error java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: somnium.congomongo (NO_SOURCE_FILE:1)
12:26	tomoj	haven't found a way to get the value of the fields
12:27	raek	tomoj: maybe you can use the . form directly... don't know if that would fix the problem though...
12:27	tomoj	(. d width) didn't
12:28	raek	no_mind: that means that you didn't start the repl with that jar on the classpath. leiningen handles that stuff automatically
12:28	no_mind	raek: I specified the classpath with -cp
12:29	raek	no_mind: did you list the jar in the classpath, or the directory containing it?
12:29	tomoj	"...the name of the field is the name of the symbol, and the value of the expression is the value of the field, unless there is a no argument public method of the same name, in which case it resolves to a call to the method."
12:30	raek	(also note that if you use the -jar option, -cp is silently ignored)
12:30	no_mind	raek: I used this java -cp "lib/*" -jar lib/clojure-1.1.0.jar
12:31	no_mind	raek: so how do I get congomongo in repl ?
12:31	raek	java -cp "lib/*" clojure.main
12:32	raek	the -jar option causes -cp to be ignored
12:32	raek	clojure.main is the main class of clojure.jar
12:33	tomoj	wall-hack-field appears to work :(
12:33	no_mind	raek: same error while :use-ing congomongo with your method
12:34	raek	no_mind: do you run (use 'somnium.congomongo) or (:use somnium.congomongo) at the repl?
12:34	no_mind	(:use somnium.congomongo)
12:42	raek	no_mind: you must use the (use 'somnium.congomongo) form at the repl. the other one is for use inside the ns macro
12:42	raek	you got the error because you accidentally tried to look up the :use key in the somnium.congomongo java class, which does not exist.
14:34	zvrba	hmm, is there a way to write just StreamTokenizer instead of java.io.StreamTokenizer ?
14:35	Chousuke	import it.
14:45	zvrba	how?
14:45	clojurebot	with style and grace
14:46	raek	in the ns form: (ns your.namespace (:import java.io.StreamTokenizer)), when playing in the repl: (import 'java.io.StreamTokenizer)
14:48	raek	...either one, preferably, with style and grace ;-)
14:49	zvrba	thanks :)
15:05	brehaut	morning everyone
15:06	brehaut	morning __name__
15:06	__name__	hello brehaut
15:06	__name__	brehaut: it's 9 pm over here :D
15:06	brehaut	clojurebot: UGT
15:06	clojurebot	ugt is Universal Greeting Time: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
15:48	svdberg	hi!
15:48	__name__	hi!
15:48	xkb	what's the idiomatic way of creating lists?
15:49	brehaut	xkb: literals or programmatically?
15:49	xkb	'(1 2 3) or (list 1 2 3)
15:49	xkb	like that
15:49	xkb	like in for example a test
15:49	brehaut	i think the former is prefered
15:49	Chousuke	the former only works with literals
15:50	Chousuke	but most of the time you'd use lists in other lisps, you will use a vector in clojure
15:51	xkb	I ran into the problem defining the expected result of a function on seq's in a test
15:51	xkb	like (is (= expected_result (function)))
15:52	xkb	where function returns something like (1 2 3)
15:52	xkb	how would you define expected_result?
15:52	Chousuke	if it only has literals, '(1 2 3)
15:52	brehaut	xkb: as long as both expected_result and (function)'s return are both seq's (rather than maps or sets)
15:52	brehaut	they should be comparable
15:52	brehaut	,(= '(1 2 3) [1 2 3])
15:52	clojurebot	true
15:53	xkb	ok, that's how I defined expected_result now
15:53	brehaut	regardless of the implementation type
15:53	xkb	in for example the empty seq case: (is (= '() (function '()))
15:54	xkb	but the literals hint is good to think about
15:55	xkb	in this specific case the elements are always Strings, numbers or nil
15:56	brehaut	xkb have you actually encountered a problem or are you trying to prevent a potential problem?
15:57	xkb	brehaut: the latter
15:57	xkb	I tried to identify the error cases
15:57	xkb	like the empty seq
15:58	xkb	so rather the potential error cases
15:58	brehaut	then dont worry. as long as both sides are sequences (lists, vectors, lazy-seqs, etc) = will do the right thing
15:58	xkb	I got some comments from a friend of mine regarding the use of ' to define a list
15:58	brehaut	and keep in mind Chousukes comment about vectors being the idiomatic sequential type in clojure
15:58	xkb	that's what triggered me to ask here :)
16:00	xkb	perhaps I should define my testdata as vectors indeed. That avoids the "problem" alltogehter
16:01	xkb	and the actual test remains the same
16:01	xkb	thanks for the help. Always nice to get quick answers to these kind of questions
16:01	brehaut	no problem
16:06	fps	just following this tutorial http://riddell.us/ClojureSwankLeiningenWithEmacsOnLinux.html
16:08	fps	when setting up the test project in project.clj, I replaced the dependencies clojure with version 1.3.0-master-SNAPSHOT, which works.
16:09	fps	but for clojure-contrib I used "1.3.0-SNAPSHOT", which results in a maven error, where the clojure-contrib.jar could not be found...
16:11	fps	any tips?
16:11	brehaut	fps are you just getting started with clj?
16:12	fps	yep
16:12	brehaut	then stick with 1.2
16:12	brehaut	clj 1.3 is still in alpha, i dont think contrib is following closely yet
16:13	fps	ok, will try. Thanks
16:15	raek	the syntax looks very clojure-inspired
16:19	Dranik	hi all!
16:19	Dranik	what web framework to choose for web application development on clojure?
16:20	brehaut	Dranik: there is only one 'web framework'
16:20	brehaut	but there is a range of good web libraries
16:20	brehaut	that work together
16:20	Dranik	brehaut, so what's the web framework?
16:20	brehaut	Dranik: everything is built ontop of 'ring'
16:20	raek	http://www.glenstampoultzis.net/blog/clojure-web-infrastructure/
16:21	Dranik	raek, thanks
16:21	brehaut	(inc raek)
16:21	sexpbot	⟹ 4
16:21	Dranik	wow! it's really distributed...
16:23	brehaut	Dranik: common combinations to start with are Ring, (Moustache or Compojure), (Enlive or Hiccup)
16:23	Dranik	brehaut, seems like you have some practical experience?
16:23	Dranik	brehaut, do you blog about that?
16:24	brehaut	Dranik: ive built my own site/blog on ring, moustache and enlive
16:24	Dranik	wow!
16:24	brehaut	and ive written an xml-rpc library. my experience is a little limited
16:24	Dranik	where is it deployed?
16:24	brehaut	http://brehaut.net
16:24	brehaut	its nothing fancy
16:24	Dranik	brehaut, oh, looks great!
16:24	Dranik	really!
16:25	brehaut	thanks :)
16:25	Dranik	brehaut, do you share the sources?
16:25	brehaut	nope sorry
16:25	Dranik	:-(
16:25	brehaut	my site is always my 'learn stuff' project, so its a horrible mess
16:26	Dranik	brehaut, actually my clojure experience is so little that everything goes
16:26	brehaut	LauJensen does have an example site or two
16:26	brehaut	https://github.com/LauJensen/bestinclass.dk
16:27	Dranik	thanks!
16:27	brehaut	hes also blogged about building a social media site too http://www.bestinclass.dk/index.clj/2011/01/building-a-social-media-site.html
16:28	Dranik	https://github.com/LauJensen/bestinclass.dk -- his site looks lovely
16:29	brehaut	his code is real clean. note that it 'bakes' the site for him, rather than dynamic generation. nevertheless it should show you a good example of moustache and enlive
16:29	Dranik	bendlas, yep, thank you
16:29	fps	I am not familiar with ant, how would I build the clojure-contrib 1.2.0-SNAPSHOT?
16:29	Dranik	brehaut, and your post about monads is really interesting
16:30	brehaut	fps are you using leiningen or cake?
16:30	Dranik	brehaut, I guess I translate some to my blog. Its in russian
16:30	brehaut	Dranik: monads are not an approved method of solving problems in clojure.
16:30	fps	brehaut: leiningen
16:31	brehaut	fps dont use a snapshot then
16:31	fps	haha ok
16:31	brehaut	fps [org.clojure/clojure "1.2.0"]
16:31	brehaut	[org.clojure/clojure-contrib "1.2.0"]
16:31	brehaut	put those into your :dependancies in project.clj
16:31	Guest51521	brehaut: what do you mean about monads not being approved?
16:31	Dranik	brehaut, yep, I thought so. But it's interesting bcs it is not idiomatic
16:31	fps	ok. thanks brehaut
16:32	Dranik	brehaut, I've just coped creating anaphoric macross with lexical variable capturing -- it was also not idiomatic but very interesting!
16:32	brehaut	Guest51521: clojure has a bunch of more specific tools to solve 95% of the problems monads solve, and they are more idiomatic
16:33	raek	fps: the tutorial you linked to uses a bit of an unusual approach to clojure development (compiling everything from source). it seems to be the norm to use pre-compiled jar files and let the build tool (lein/cake) handle the downloading and the classpath
16:33	brehaut	Guest51521: while they exists, rhickey has commented more than once that he doesnt think they are appropriate
16:34	fps	raek: ok, will remember
16:34	brehaut	Guest51521: here is teh appropriate logs http://clojure-log.n01se.net/date/2010-02-12.html#i70
16:34	Guest51521	brehaut: i'm no functional guru but from my novice perspective, they seem like a cleaner way to handle code that throws exceptions everywhere when doing interop with java
16:34	Guest51521	thanks brehaut. i'll read
16:34	brehaut	Guest51521: Java exceptions arent idiomatic clojure either.
16:35	Guest51521	brehaut: but you have no choice but to deal with them for java interop. the world isn't clojure on the jvm :)
16:35	Guest51521	i guess that's one of the 5%
16:36	brehaut	Guest51521: correct. java interop is first class, so clojure provides exception handling when you need it
16:36	brehaut	but most clojure code wont throw exceptions
16:36	brehaut	Guest51521: ive used monads to make error handling cleaner for some of my code, only because it makes implementing the appropriate macros simpler, especially while prototyping.
16:37	raek	brehaut: looked at that article recently. very interesting!
16:37	brehaut	However, consumers of my code dont need to know that there are monads under the hood
16:37	brehaut	raek: cheers :)
16:37	brehaut	raek: hopefully with the changes to the colors scheme, you can read it without loosing your eyesight too
16:38	raek	yeah, saw that that you toned down the yellow a bit
16:39	raek	I think it's perfectly acceptable now
16:39	brehaut	raek: im a bit sad about that, but ive gotten such an overwhelm grumpy response i really couldnt not
16:40	raek	:(
16:47	Guest51521	is this a good place to ask a question about ccw in eclipse?
16:47	brehaut	Guest51521: good as any
16:48	Guest51521	i was using the stable version of teh plugin but am trying out 0.2.0.RC05 now and it doesn't give a prompt in the repl showing the namespace lke it used to. in fact there is no prompt at all in the repl, cursor is just all the way to the left. is that a bug or can i set some var to show the namespace prompt that i'm used to?
16:50	Guest51521	everything seems to work fine but i don't like that it doesn't display the current namespace
16:51	brehaut	i never used the repl in ccw sorry
16:55	brehaut	Dranik: just done some reading on anaphoric macros; not kidding about non-idiomatic
16:56	Dranik	brehaut, sorry?
16:56	Dranik	didn't get it
16:56	brehaut	You mentioned that you had recently ported anaphoric macros to clojure?
16:57	Dranik	brehaut, yep. did you read about it from Paul Graham's On LIsp?
16:57	brehaut	apparently so
16:57	Dranik	the main point there was variable capture
16:57	Dranik	and that is not possible in clojure, isn't it?
16:59	brehaut	not out of the box at any rate
17:00	Dranik	that what I meant
17:00	Dranik	actually, everything I had to do -- creating my own version of gensym
17:01	Dranik	it looks like this
17:01	Dranik	(defn make-sym [name] (. clojure.lang.Symbol (intern (str name))))
17:01	Dranik	it generates unqualified predictable names for variables
17:01	brehaut	why not just (symbol (str name))
17:01	Dranik	and the rest was just translating from lisp to clojure
17:02	Dranik	brehaut, guess, intern is also needed here
17:02	Dranik	the function make-sym is just a simplified version of usual gensym
17:29	wjlroe	When I do (print "αβγ") from the REPL, it prints fine, but from a .clj file run from the terminal it prints "???" - why is this?
17:30	rlb	wjlroe: both from a terminal?
17:30	wjlroe	yep
17:31	rlb	wjlroe: I'd guess that clojure hooks up a fancier stream to the prompt then.
17:31	mjg123	I'm having trouble using 3rd party library in the repl. Probably a real simple problem: http://pastebin.com/SzyWS89t
17:31	rlb	just a guess, though
17:32	wjlroe	mmm
17:32	rlb	wjlroe: or the stream encoding defaults are different
17:32	wjlroe	rlb: how would I find out?
17:32	rlb	i.e. utf-8 vs something-else
17:32	brehaut	mjg123: you need to wrap parents around your use
17:33	brehaut	s/nts/ns/
17:33	sexpbot	<brehaut> mjg123: you need to wrap parens around your use
17:33	brehaut	eg (use 'somnium.congomongo)
17:33	mjg123	brehaut: cheers
17:33	brehaut	mjg123: no worries. you can see the repl has evaluated both expressions (eg 'use
17:34	kjeldahl	Has anybody done simple "log to stderr" type logging from running a jetty/ring webserver with handlers from repl (with join? false)? I'm having some trouble figuring where output goes, if anywhere...
17:34	brehaut	and the quoted symbol 'somnium.congomongo) and printed them on the repl
17:34	rlb	relevant? http://jkndrkn.livejournal.com/264856.html
17:35	wjlroe	rlb: I get "MacRoman" for (.getEncoding out) from the REPL and from the script
17:35	rlb	wjlroe: try the -D
17:35	wjlroe	rlb: okey dokey
17:35	rlb	perhaps i.e. force utf-8 (assuming that's appropriate)
17:36	mjg123	kjeldahl: stdout/stderr are usually into logfiles for jetty/tomcat/etc
17:37	brehaut	kjeldahl: my jetty in a repl just logs to is just printed the console running the repl
17:37	kjeldahl	mjg123: Ok, thanks.
17:37	kjeldahl	brehaut: How did you set jetty up to log to the console? Is that the log4j config or something?
17:38	wjlroe	rlb: this is -Dproperty=value right? what's the property I'm setting?
17:38	brehaut	i just start it in a seperate thread
17:38	brehaut	kjeldahl: (doto (Thread. #(run-jetty #'wendigo-app {:port 8000})) .start)
17:39	rlb	wjlroe: just from glancing at that web page, perhaps "java -server -Dfile.encoding=UTF-8 ..."
17:39	brehaut	kjeldahl: i wouldnt trust that approach as canonical
17:39	rlb	wjlroe: though I'm just guessing -- I haven't really investigated
17:39	wjlroe	rlb: ok, cheers
17:40	wjlroe	rlb: that worked
17:40	kjeldahl	brehaut: Ok, thanks. I guess it's running in a thread already, with the "run-jetty" join? false thingy. But I'll give your method a try.
17:41	brehaut	kjeldahl: i have no idea sorry. i cobbled that together ages ago. i actually need to work out a better way to run it
17:44	wjlroe	rlb: if you are a stackoverflower, feel free to add that as an answer to my question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4843976/unicode-clojure-unit-test-output
17:45	rlb	I'm not, but feel free to add it yourself if you like.
17:45	rlb	(if that helps)
17:45	wjlroe	rlb: ok thanks
18:19	Guest51521	brehaut: regarding my earlier question about the namespace prompt in ccw... i see now that the namespace is displayed on the tab for the repl window. i didn't notice that at first. that is sufficient so i really don't care about the prompt then.
18:19	brehaut	Guest51521: oh true, cool
18:43	mjg123	How to read an InputStream? I just want to be able to treat it as a string.
18:48	tonyl	I haven't use InputStream but have you taken a look in clojure.java.io http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.java.io/
18:52	mjg123	hmm they don't make this easy in Java either...
18:52	Raynes	Calling clojure.java.io/reader on an input stream will give you a buffered reader. You can't treat it as a string, but you can do stuff like .readLine on it to get a line at a time from it.
19:00	Guest51521	mjg123: you can call read-lines from duck-streams and it will return a collection of strings
19:01	Guest51521	mjg123: i should say a sequence of strings
19:02	Guest51521	mjg123: oh sorry, you didn't say a file, just an inputstream.
19:04	Guest51521	http://richhickey.github.com/clojure/clojure.core-api.html#clojure.core/line-seq
19:04	Guest51521	combined with InputStreamReader
19:09	mjg123	Yeah, it'd be nice to have something as easy as slurp, imho
19:11	Guest51521	line-seq looks pretty nice. you just have to turn the inputstream into a reader first. no biggie
19:14	mjg123	(concat (line-seq (reader stream)))
19:15	mjg123	indeed
19:17	AWizzArd	hiredman: ping
19:18	AWizzArd	hiredman: just saw the msg you sent a while ago. Thanks for the info about declaring vars as dynamic explicitly.
19:20	AWizzArd	btw, anyone, why do I get warnings in Clojure 1.3 that a var is not marked as dynamic? The compiler then sets them dynamic for me, but I don't want them to be dynamic…
19:58	technomancy	AWizzArd: that will go away during the release
20:56	replaca	technomancy: did you get C-right and C-left working in tmux? That's the one part of paredit that's not working for me under tmux and I was wondering if anyone had gotten that going.
21:23	technomancy	replaca: I had to rebind those
21:23	technomancy	don't want to reach that far off the home row anyway
22:33	replaca	technomancy: what bindings worked well for you?
22:33	replaca	thanks!
22:52	technomancy	replaca: I use M-)
23:24	replaca	technomancy: (sorry, coming and going tonight) sounds like a good choice, thanks